| Yes. Just because an anime can disguise its flaws doesn't mean they still don't exist. Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the most interesting and rewatchable anime ever made, yet I can't ignore the fact that its latter episodes are awkward and weird or that its lead characters are difficult to sympathize with (I know that's the intention, but it still makes the viewing experience lesser). Just because Excel Saga is one of the funniest things ever made by human beings doesn't erase the fact that its story and characters are the laziest goddamn things ever. |
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cherryblossom519 said: Eventually it is not bad in your opinion. Maybe it just have some bad aspects but it is not bad as a whole because it has some good parts that outweigh the bad ones. Even underdeveloped characters/story can work in certain circumstances.I often find myself enjoying "bad" anime. By "bad anime" I mean it might have underdeveloped characters/story, an unfulfilled ending, etc. but it's fun to watch maybe because of the humor or action. If it's that fun, can it actually be considered bad? |
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| I think it's a balance between whether or not the aspects you find enjoyable are enough to overcome the "bad" things about it like a terrible plot or characters |
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| This is the argument against "guilty pleasures" being a thing. An anime can be "bad" from a production and storytelling standpoint, but can still be good from an enjoyment standpoint. "Good" and "bad" are not objective when talking about something as a whole, so it depends on the viewer. I enjoyed Vividred Operation despite how poorly made it was and I gave it a 6 (not too bad on my scale). For the opposite, I considered Happy Happy Clover to be made quite well, but from the mean score it doesn't seem like too many others thought the same. |
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| I do the same thing all the time! The problem is, when I watch a bad anime that I think is funny, I forget about the important stuff that makes it bad (characters, story, etc) and just focus on the comedy. That's why you shouldn't trust my ratings of anime. |
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caitlintheotaku said: I do the same thing all the time! The problem is, when I watch a bad anime that I think is funny, I forget about the important stuff that makes it bad (characters, story, etc) and just focus on the comedy. That's why you shouldn't trust my ratings of anime. This, basically. Even if an anime is bad, if can still have some merit if it provides satisfactory entertainment for the viewer. If a bad anime can cover up its flaws well enough, then it will have succeeded in providing me entertainment when I say the words: "You know what? I don't even care anymore!". |
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| No of course not. We watch anime to entertain ourselves, do we not? If you enjoy it in spite of its flaws, then it overcame them. |
| What now? Oh, yeah..Mayoiga. Nuff said. RaTTman77 said: What, you mean like Ghost Stories? lol Watch it in dub |
| i swear these threads are troll.... its like society has told people that theres something wrong with liking certain things for no reason, or w/e reason you want why do ppl feel obligated to justify why they like something? why do ppl think you need a justifiable reason to like something? why does a anime have to have a good story and developed characters to be more enjoyable than one that doesnt? wtf? why can't ppl just like something for whatever reason? |
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Zelkiiro said: Yes. Just because an anime can disguise its flaws doesn't mean they still don't exist. Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the most interesting and rewatchable anime ever made, yet I can't ignore the fact that its latter episodes are awkward and weird or that its lead characters are difficult to sympathize with (I know that's the intention, but it still makes the viewing experience lesser). Just because Excel Saga is one of the funniest things ever made by human beings doesn't erase the fact that its story and characters are the laziest goddamn things ever. Aww that shatters a bone! Me die right away! |
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OtakuDaikun said: Zelkiiro said: Yes. Just because an anime can disguise its flaws doesn't mean they still don't exist. Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the most interesting and rewatchable anime ever made, yet I can't ignore the fact that its latter episodes are awkward and weird or that its lead characters are difficult to sympathize with (I know that's the intention, but it still makes the viewing experience lesser). Just because Excel Saga is one of the funniest things ever made by human beings doesn't erase the fact that its story and characters are the laziest goddamn things ever. Aww that shatters a bone! Me die right away! Why-a you kill me so easily?! 30characterlimit |
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BRB-kun said: What now? Oh, yeah..Mayoiga. Nuff said. RaTTman77 said: What, you mean like Ghost Stories? lol Watch it in dub Everything on my list is dubbed! lmfao Well ,except for like 8 or something. Haven't watched them yet. Wish i could find a dub of Zero no Tsukaima, lol. |
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Lord_Sithis said: Wow! You're a true sage. Yeah, people are a little stupid. I like Chaos;Head, a lot. So, should I change my mind and hate it just because a lot of other people do? Of course not! ill never understand why people can't just like w/e they want for w/e reason.... i know i already said that, but i feel i have to keep saying it bad is ALWAYS subjective... and theres is no such thing as an objective review unless you're simply pointing out things you've seen before i like plenty of anime that are rated 6.0 and below and idgaf what ppl think of them, cause i enjoy them my favorites list is not there to impress anyone |
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Mamster-P said: Lord_Sithis said: Wow! You're a true sage. Yeah, people are a little stupid. I like Chaos;Head, a lot. So, should I change my mind and hate it just because a lot of other people do? Of course not! ill never understand why people can't just like w/e they want for w/e reason.... i know i already said that, but i feel i have to keep saying it bad is ALWAYS subjective... and theres is no such thing as an objective review unless you're simply pointing out things you've seen before i like plenty of anime that are rated 6.0 and below and idgaf what ppl think of them, cause i enjoy them my favorites list is not there to impress anyone ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This, all day. Thank you. |
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RaTTman77 said: Mamster-P said: ill never understand why people can't just like w/e they want for w/e reason.... i know i already said that, but i feel i have to keep saying it bad is ALWAYS subjective... and theres is no such thing as an objective review unless you're simply pointing out things you've seen before i like plenty of anime that are rated 6.0 and below and idgaf what ppl think of them, cause i enjoy them my favorites list is not there to impress anyone ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This, all day. Thank you. this really seems like quite the difficult task for many people on this site.... |
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| If it's fun to watch because it's bad then no. It's just bad.. If a drama accidentally turns into a comedy because of its cringiness it's still bad because it didn't end up what it set out to be.. Mamster-P said: i swear these threads are troll.... its like society has told people that theres something wrong with liking certain things for no reason, or w/e reason you want why do ppl feel obligated to justify why they like something? why do ppl think you need a justifiable reason to like something? why does a anime have to have a good story and developed characters to be more enjoyable than one that doesnt? wtf? why can't ppl just like something for whatever reason? Why can't people dislike something for whatever reason? |
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Gesu- said: If it's fun to watch because it's bad then no. It's just bad.. If a drama accidentally turns into a comedy because of its cringiness it's still bad because it didn't end up what it set out to be.. Mamster-P said: i swear these threads are troll.... its like society has told people that theres something wrong with liking certain things for no reason, or w/e reason you want why do ppl feel obligated to justify why they like something? why do ppl think you need a justifiable reason to like something? why does a anime have to have a good story and developed characters to be more enjoyable than one that doesnt? wtf? why can't ppl just like something for whatever reason? Why can't people dislike something for whatever reason? you can but i generally find distaste to be something that needs explanation more so than your reason for liking im personally more interested in why people don't like things than why they like them i mean, we can't control what were attracted to but hate kinda needs justification.. when you do a good dead as apposed to something bad you're less likely to be questioned btw i am differentiating not liking something and actually disliking it just to clarify: not like = not interested in <--- doesn't need explanation to me dislike = actually thinking its not good <-- explanation needed if someone says "i hated that show" that's automatically more attention grabbing than "i loved it" but this is just me |
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kamisama751 said: Mamster-P said: i swear these threads are troll.... its like society has told people that theres something wrong with liking certain things for no reason, or w/e reason you want why do ppl feel obligated to justify why they like something? why do ppl think you need a justifiable reason to like something? why does a anime have to have a good story and developed characters to be more enjoyable than one that doesnt? wtf? why can't ppl just like something for whatever reason? Jesus, do you really view every question so negative now? This isn't even one of your hated "anti echi" thread. the OP is making it sound as if its not someones opinion whether or not a show is "bad" they gave their own definition of "bad" yet asked as if its not an opinion thats my issue why can't OP just like w/e they want for w/e reason they want? why does a show HAVE TO have those specific qualities to be considered "good"? why can't a "good" show just be something that really entertains you? we can't agree on anything, some ppl think shows like steins gate, code geass and erased are shit, so clearly its not just about being non generic... its always going to be up to the individual viewer so just for your own damn opinion..... jeez.... |
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Mamster-P said: the OP is making it sound as if its not someones opinion whether or not a show is "bad" they gave their own definition of "bad" yet asked as if its not an opinion thats my issue What makes you think that, he said "unfilled ending" that's 100% his opinion. why can't OP just like w/e they want for w/e reason they want? why does a show HAVE TO have those specific qualities to be considered "good"? why can't a "good" show just be something that really entertains you? Because he has expectations on what he considers make a show good? so just for your own damn opinion..... jeez.... It's his opinion that the show is bad. He pretty much said "It has alot of bad stuff in my own opinion". He's forgetting the fact the he liked elements of it, so, well, if that's good enough for him that's good enough for him. I guess. *shrug* |
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| @ashfrliebert cherryblossom519 said: If it's that fun, can it actually be considered bad? this is the part i have mainly have a problem with... this is where the personal decision comes in and it doesn't matter what we think |
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kamisama751 said: Mamster-P said: @ashfrliebert this is the part i have mainly have a problem with... this is where the personal decision comes in and it doesn't matter what we think OP has clearly his own view on this subject but he is not sure and his perspective is (based on what he wrote) not stable. I can't see anything but somene who wants to hear what others say and improve himself. sorry but im getting the "is it ok if i?" vibe here i simply don't see why people can't just decide for themselves whats good or bad yes, he defined "bad", but if hes enjoying the show regardless, does it really matter anyway? if you simply have your own definition of bad and a show falls into the definition then fine, call it bad whether or not you enjoyed it, i just dont see the point, as if i liked something, then "bad" is not the word i'd use theres plenty of shows that i enjoy, like hundred, which is extremely unoriginal and generic, but because i enjoy the show, im not going to call it "bad" but thats MY choice im just saying whether or not to call a show good, ok or bad is up to the individual |
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kamisama751 said: 1. You are getting random irrelevant vibe and complains about that? 2. I can't see what is wrong with wanting to hear what others think about something. Do you really think everyone who is NOT narrow-minded and wants to improve is wrong? 3. Yes, he defined what is bad for himself. But the latter sentences showed that he wants to hear othesr opinions on this matter, getting criticized for his perspective or even to improve his own viewpoint. Maybe there are some aspects he left untouched? Maybe there is someone who can find flaws in his logic and he can improve because of that? Maybe there is someone with a complete different view which he never got in touch with? You can learn something new from these threads. Are you actually blaming others for learning? There are people who just want to become better at taste/analyzing/whatever even if it has nothing to do with what others think of them. your'e reading too much into what im targeting cherryblossom519 said: If it's that fun, can it actually be considered bad? this quote is can only be answered by an individual its sounds as though hes asking people to decide what is be TO HIM.... that is what im questioning by his definition of bad, any anime that lacks the qualities he mentioned are bad but then he asks bad as if its just an opinion, THAT is what im responding to cherryblossom519 said: can it actually be considered bad? this is an opinion question and ignores his previous definition of bad THIS is the part im saying doesn't matter what we think this latter question does not change that the anime are bad by his personal definition are they bad according to his definition? = yes are they bad if he enjoys them? = can only be personal opinion, therefore we cannot answer for him leme sum it up like this if im not making sense the question seems to be: if its bad by this definition, is it bad by opinion? and im saying this: the answer is up to YOU |
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Mamster-P said: Yeah I can agree with this statement. Like I think that Comet Lucifer was one of the worst shows to come out last year but I still liked it.Lord_Sithis said: Wow! You're a true sage. Yeah, people are a little stupid. I like Chaos;Head, a lot. So, should I change my mind and hate it just because a lot of other people do? Of course not! ill never understand why people can't just like w/e they want for w/e reason.... i know i already said that, but i feel i have to keep saying it bad is ALWAYS subjective... and theres is no such thing as an objective review unless you're simply pointing out things you've seen before i like plenty of anime that are rated 6.0 and below and idgaf what ppl think of them, cause i enjoy them my favorites list is not there to impress anyone |
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| You can recognize the flaws in an anime whilst still being able to overlook them and enjoy it. Whether you ultimately come to the conclusion of whether it's bad or not is up to you to decide. I know there's a fair few issues with Akame ga Kill but I thoroughly enjoyed that series nonetheless; for SAO the issues were too much and hampered my enjoyment. From a quality standpoint, you can argue a series is bad - are the characters un(der)developed, are there plot holes, is the anime coherent, etc. Something which falls flat in these areas is undoubtedly bad; there's no two ways around it. Bad writing is bad writing, regardless of whether one is able to enjoy them or not. The only difference is if you can enjoy an anime despite its flaws and shortcomings. Recognising whether or not an anime is bad in spite of your own enjoyment is quite an important facet when discussing anime, in my opinion, and it's especially true in the opposite case - an anime is not bad just because you personally did not enjoy it. Ultimately, I think it best to not resort to such simplified black and white terms like "good" and "bad" because they don't really tell you much of anything. Kuusen Madoushi was fucking terrible quality-wise, and I wasn't able to enjoy it at all. Plastic Memories had its own share of problems and issues but I loved the series. It's far better to elaborate on all of your points rather than just giving one overarching word. I think that treating the quality of a series separately from your own enjoyment of the series to be of paramount importance, because it goes a long way in eliminating any bias which might otherwise hugely affect your perception of an anime, and it greatly helps other people to understand your critiques. Being able to call a bad series bad is quite useful when the other party knows you're not factoring in your own opinion / enjoyment of the series into the equation. There's also those few series which are intentionally bad in order to elicit mirth - Inferno Cop comes to mind. It's a troll series right down to its core, and a fair few of the episodes did make me laugh quite a bit (although it fell apart after like 5 episodes and became very painful after that). This is another example of why you shouldn't give such a simplified response, because it's designed to be bad to make you laugh. Whether it accomplishes that or not is another matter entirely. But yes, bad is bad, flaws are flaws and people die when they are killed. |
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Mamster-P said: @ashfrliebert cherryblossom519 said: If it's that fun, can it actually be considered bad? this is the part i have mainly have a problem with... this is where the personal decision comes in and it doesn't matter what we think It has nothing to do with what we think, though. It has to do with what he thinks. It has to do with what he just said in the same sentence. If you think the the plot's bad, the character's bad, the ending bad, you consider it bad. By you, I mean OP. Is what I meant. Before. But, I changed my mind. Actually, the correct answer is clearly that he thinks the humor outweighs the other bad elements. He said it himself. Yes, it can still be considered good if you dislike 90% of the story elements, as long as the pros outweight, in importance, the cons. Which apparently, it does here. So, there you have it. And it can be considered bad, whatever you think. So the question becomes, does "more bad" outweight "less good" when you like the smaller dose of good, enough to like the series. But the question itself has nothing to do with what other people say. It's what he says. I'd mention objectivity. But no one's here gonna react well, and that can of worms deserves to remain closed I think. |
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