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Jun 6, 2016 11:35 PM
#201
rebornnora said: Business is business. If the producer see the majority of what the people want, they produce this item and the let the consumer buy their product. I am seeing some post people make is about "People need to fking watch anime that have boobs, more and more ecchi anime are coming...." but at the same time, they dont care what people watch including ecchi anime. O_o To the non ecchi watcher or ecchi haters, do you blame the people who watch tons and tons of ecchi anime's? Yes, I hold the people who buy and watch shows responsible, just not in the sense of blaming them. Seems pointless (one of many words to describe this) to be bothered by the fact that people buy cartoon DVDs. And I'm pretty sure most people on the other side of the world to me don't really care. Um, that doesn't mean you should refrain from criticizing the anime anyway, but that's way besides the point. keragamming said: @KoreaWS Tengen toppa is full of echhi, but you still gave it a 8/10? That proof that anime with a lot of echhi in it isn't the problem as long as you like it. Agreed, not the problem. When a story actually has other things going for it, you won't really care much(or enough to detract it). Compare Gurren Laggan and Cross Ange, for example. Sometimes the character goes half naked while using their clothes as weapons. Kinda hard not to notice in those cases. But if you don't generally like ecchi, just don't watch a show about drinking breast milk to gain power, y'know? But I wouldn't classify Gurren Lagann exactly as ecchi though, at least not in the sense Kiss X Sis is or something. |
ashfrliebertJun 6, 2016 11:51 PM
ゴロゴロゴロ ゴロゴロゴロ ゴロゴロゴロ ゴロゴロゴロ ゴゴゴゴゴゴ ゴゴゴゴゴゴ ゴゴゴゴゴゴ |
Jun 6, 2016 11:56 PM
#202
Jun 6, 2016 11:57 PM
#203
If there's anything I dislike more than ecchi anime it's people who complain about ecchi anime like it's their job, that I actually hate this. Rance-sama said: Being critical of a story in an ecchi anime is like watching porn for the story. |
Jun 7, 2016 6:12 AM
#204
Jun 7, 2016 6:20 AM
#205
[quote=ashfrliebert message=46362225] rebornnora said: But if you don't generally like ecchi, just don't watch a show about drinking breast milk to gain power, y'know?. lol seikon no qwester reference #tomobestgirl |
Jun 7, 2016 6:26 AM
#206
If Ecchi shows actually have the protag FUQQING ALL DAH CHICKS who tries to seduce him, then having more this genre won't be such an annoyance, but sadly.. what we get are nothing but cock teases. |
Jun 7, 2016 6:28 AM
#207
Oh look, more people bitching about ecchi. MALers gonna MAL... |
Jun 7, 2016 6:35 AM
#208
GoldenKappa said: If Ecchi shows actually have the protag FUQQING ALL DAH CHICKS who tries to seduce him, then having more this genre won't be such an annoyance, but sadly.. what we get are nothing but cock teases. throws Aki-Sora dvd and Yosuga no Sora: In Solitude, Where We Are Least Alone dvd at GoldenKappa |
Jun 7, 2016 6:35 AM
#209
i dont mind the ecchi anime shows, sex sells anyway, the only major complain i have with anime is the never ending and very popular school settings |
Jun 7, 2016 6:36 AM
#210
GoldenKappa said: they are called hentai... school days and yasuga no sora already bad enough for me... no thanks... i find ecchi to get aroused, and fap with it doujin version... If Ecchi shows actually have the protag FUQQING ALL DAH CHICKS who tries to seduce him, then having more this genre won't be such an annoyance, but sadly.. what we get are nothing but cock teases. oh yeah, just remeber we got kuzu no honkai next years... time to prepairing my popcorn... |
Jun 7, 2016 6:38 AM
#211
Sorakaa said: RainyRai said: Sorakaa said: people still watch that genre? It's the same bullshit every time. Maybe I should move to japan and write my own and makes tons of money. protag-kun has a tsundere imouto. his best friend is a jealous guy because protag-kun is always with all the ladies. a hot transfer student comes in with huge fucking tits and starts hanging out with him and all the other guys in the class get pissed. all his other friends are also chicks with huge dd tits. -every ecchi ever. There's a good reason. >ecchi anime comes out >girls are cute >doujins are made >need to watch anime before reading doujins because of dumb privledges >gain more masturbation material If that's not your reason though, then what are you trying to do? Nah. Those stories usually suck balls. Generic vanilla crap. I cannot even get hard off that. Sao gets like 80% ntr doujins same with toheart2 featuring tami nee. You goddamn NTR people are the REAL villains here. Vanilla will ALWAYS win. #TeamVanilla |
Jun 7, 2016 6:39 AM
#212
Ikr m8? Now I almost feel ashamed of myself for arguing with these people >.< Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ |
Jun 7, 2016 6:44 AM
#213
Z-Dante said: Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Oh, you can enjoy it all you want--I'm just here to tell you whether it sucks or not and why. And if it's ecchi, it's far more likely to be the former. |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
Jun 7, 2016 6:45 AM
#214
i dont see the problem with "ecchi", its not hentai so... and some anime are so obviously doing ecchi just by putting some "censor" they think it isn't... example? Fairy Tail with Erza, Yukino, Lucy... i mean it is annoying that they make the boobs huge and try to show them and w/e just to put stupid things as censor xD |
Jun 7, 2016 6:49 AM
#215
Z-Dante said: Ikr m8? Now I almost feel ashamed of myself for arguing with these people >.< Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Yh it's like they refuse to admid that there are good ecchi shows out there and just bash ecchi because it was in many bad shows. Comedy is also in many bad shows but that genre somehow gets a free pass. |
Jun 7, 2016 6:50 AM
#216
Zelkiiro said: Remind me again, why exactly is it necessary to tell others if a show sucks or not? If anyone wants to know what you think about a show, they can just take a look at your list. No?Z-Dante said: Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Oh, you can enjoy it all you want--I'm just here to tell you whether it sucks or not and why. And if it's ecchi, it's far more likely to be the former. |
Jun 7, 2016 6:54 AM
#217
Z-Dante said: Zelkiiro said: Remind me again, why exactly is it necessary to tell others if a show sucks or not? If anyone wants to know what you think about a show, they can just take a look at your list. No?Z-Dante said: Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Oh, you can enjoy it all you want--I'm just here to tell you whether it sucks or not and why. And if it's ecchi, it's far more likely to be the former. To protect naive young minds in the forums from polluting their brains with substandard works, particularly those who are new and don't even know my superior Anime List even exists yet! Also because I'm a crotchety old man and loudly grumbling is what I do. |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
Jun 7, 2016 6:59 AM
#218
Wensbane said: Mamster-P said: says the guy who made a thread that'd already been made more than once lol Re-making a thread with a slightly different question isn't necessarily a bad thing. It gives the new members of the forum a chance to chip in and maybe get different perspectives from people who didn't participate in the last discussion. Re-making a thread more than once a month is just going to annoy people even more. Unless you change the framework, the result is going to be the same. Wensbane said: But every time someone so much as hints at ecchi, you and your "posse" come in, with your "DJ Khaled - Another One" memes and start spewing the same crap we've seen a million times before, basically taking everything personal. I won't sugar-coat it, bro. Sometimes you're bloody annoying. Nobody promised we'll be nice. We didn't start this war, but our memory is good, and you won't be getting your way. Wensbane said: And I have one more "secret" to tell you: you don't have to be so scared of the "Anti-Ecchi" crowd. As long as you keep buying your mini-skirt figures to fap to and your DVDs, so you can be entertained by your waifu even when your net is down, they'll keep making shit for you. Speak with your wallet. I have every reason to be afraid. Just recently, my country's legislation equalized animated girls with real girls for the definition of child porn. I want every one of those legislators dead, preferably painfully. And any anti-sexuality person is part of this crime. Wensbane said: @Mamster-P The fact that the same topic keeps popping up should tell you all you need to know. It would be one thing if the unnecessary sexual fanservice was contained to specific ecchi titles, but it isn't. And what is an ecchi show anyway? The Japs don't even consider it a genre. None of these titles are properly labeled so we end up with situations where you're watching a random slice-of-life and the characters start rubbing their tits on their bikes like it's the most natural thing in the world. Guess what happens then? What are you, a little kid? Or a stupid mother? Nothing bad happens if you see some tits rubbed on a bike. Privy said: Ecchi is a juxtaposition of eroticism and humor; if there is only eroticism, it's not ecchi. Kill la Kill is ecchi, Highschool of the Dead is not. Ecchi is the anime equivalent of the haiku (which must juxtapose, otherwise it's just 5-7-5 verse) and is just as misunderstood. You're probably the only person who includes the need for comedy into the definition of "ecchi". |
Jun 7, 2016 7:01 AM
#219
Zelkiiro said: >.>Z-Dante said: Zelkiiro said: Z-Dante said: Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Oh, you can enjoy it all you want--I'm just here to tell you whether it sucks or not and why. And if it's ecchi, it's far more likely to be the former. To protect naive young minds in the forums from polluting their brains with substandard works, particularly those who are new and don't even know my superior Anime List even exists yet! Also because I'm a crotchety old man and loudly grumbling is what I do. So , you're just trying to become @Kamisama751 v2.... Well, good luck with that! |
Jun 7, 2016 7:17 AM
#220
JustALEX said: Sorakaa said: RainyRai said: Sorakaa said: people still watch that genre? It's the same bullshit every time. Maybe I should move to japan and write my own and makes tons of money. protag-kun has a tsundere imouto. his best friend is a jealous guy because protag-kun is always with all the ladies. a hot transfer student comes in with huge fucking tits and starts hanging out with him and all the other guys in the class get pissed. all his other friends are also chicks with huge dd tits. -every ecchi ever. There's a good reason. >ecchi anime comes out >girls are cute >doujins are made >need to watch anime before reading doujins because of dumb privledges >gain more masturbation material If that's not your reason though, then what are you trying to do? Nah. Those stories usually suck balls. Generic vanilla crap. I cannot even get hard off that. Sao gets like 80% ntr doujins same with toheart2 featuring tami nee. You goddamn NTR people are the REAL villains here. Vanilla will ALWAYS win. #TeamVanilla I'm not the biggest fan of ntr. I like hardcore stuff but sometimes even ntr can depress me. |
Jun 7, 2016 7:31 AM
#221
Zelkiiro said: Z-Dante said: Zelkiiro said: Z-Dante said: Well, haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. It's about time they should learn to just let people enjoy whatever they watch :/ Oh, you can enjoy it all you want--I'm just here to tell you whether it sucks or not and why. And if it's ecchi, it's far more likely to be the former. To protect naive young minds in the forums from polluting their brains with substandard works, particularly those who are new and don't even know my superior Anime List even exists yet! Also because I'm a crotchety old man and loudly grumbling is what I do. There is no need to shield people who have already started their way of anime from bad works. They will find out there are bad works on their own. And they will decide which works are bad on their own. It's their Way of Anime. We don't need your opinion. Your opinion is obviously biased by you being a islamic suicide bomber who thinks girls should be dressed in burkas. Zelkiiro said: Z-Dante said: KoreaWS said: And you expect me to take you seriosuly? So do you have a scientific way to prove this? The ratings of the people easily says that shows like No Game No Life, Shokugeki no Souma are objectively better than any other average shows. Boys and Girls equally like them. Argumentum ad populum is a terrible argument. Fullmetal Alchemist and Sword Art Online are both crazy popular, but Fullmetal Alchemist is awesome and Sword Art Online is a travesty. Popularity has no correlation with quality, good or bad. There is no reason to consider SAO bad, except for a cabal of elitists who claim it is bad. Sorakaa said: people still watch that genre? It's the same bullshit every time. Maybe I should move to japan and write my own and makes tons of money. protag-kun has a tsundere imouto. his best friend is a jealous guy because protag-kun is always with all the ladies. a hot transfer student comes in with huge fucking tits and starts hanging out with him and all the other guys in the class get pissed. all his other friends are also chicks with huge dd tits. -every ecchi ever. Make the girls cure enough, and I will watch it. You can keep the huge breasts to yourself. Also, add a Rei clone there, no harem is truly complete without a Rei clone. KoreaWS said: Plot holes, logic contradictions, unreasonable characters, etc, etc, etc. They make trainwrecks. They make the show objectively worse. People can, and they do enjoy shows that are trainwrecks. Does that makes the show good? No. Does that means it can't entertain? neither, but the truth is there, and a trainwreck is a trainwreck regardless of the enjoyment it can give to a particular individual. You are objectively wrong. I can prove it. Tengen Toppa Gurenn Lagann. QED. Zelkiiro said: Mamster-P said: if there'd been 4 loli hate threads a week like their were ecchi hate threads, people would be calling me the loli warrior or some name like that. its all in the numbers of threads and the topic of concern Oh Jesus Christ, you're a loli fan, too? The more I learn about you, the more I come to hate you with every fiber of my being. Hate me too, because I like lolis. Both for cuteness, and when they're getting into sexy situations too. Zelkiiro said: Many ecchi titles--like Highschool of the Dead--look at the viewer with contempt, saying "Hey, I think you're a drooling moron, so here's some tits! Oh, and I hope you'll completely overlook the fact that our characters are one-dimensional as hell, because HAVE A PANTY SHOT YAYYYY~" The nudity is there simply for its own sake, and it's insulting. Weren't there supposed to be zombies or something in this sh--HOLY SHIT LOOKIT DEM TITTIES Your way of thinking is self-destructive. Try mine: "We know you're adult enough, and would be able to enjoy the plot/fight/whatever even though we threw some panty shots in. We won't bother making magic skirts for your puritan mother, skirts work in our anime just like IRL. We both know panty shots make everything better. By the way, our producers said that we don't have enough pantyshots to fill our quota, so the villain will strip the heroine to her underwear. Yes, we totally know it's not enjoyable, but don't you hate the villain now? And now for the ladies - hero powers up and rips off his shirt! Okay, comic relief time - isn't this girl cute, overreacting to having her panties seen like that?" |
flannanJun 7, 2016 7:42 AM
Jun 7, 2016 8:01 AM
#222
flannan said: I want every one of those legislators dead, preferably painfully. And any anti-sexuality person is part of this crime. Yeah... that's... that's something. *backs away, slowly* |
Jun 7, 2016 8:03 AM
#223
kamisama751 said: flannan said: Zelkiiro said: I don't care that there are many genres--what pisses me off is when people hold up a piece of garbage from any genre (e.g. Sword Art Online, Erased, Another, Elfen Lied) and claim that they're good when they are clearly not, and there are much, much better alternatives for each of them just lying around, waiting to be seen. But nope! Just because they have the visage of good animation and the illusion of stylish art, they pollute the anime environment and trick gullible viewers into thinking they're good. And anime that rely on ecchi as a crutch are the worst offenders. It's really annoying when some elitist scum takes a good anime (like SAO) and goes around saying it's somehow super-bad. If it was as bad as you people make it look, it wouldn't be so popular. Sorry (no, I'm not really sorry), but your desire for airtight writing isn't shared by most people. There are many other kinds of things that make an anime good. “If it is popular then it cannot be bad.” Good visuals can’t save a bad script. I don't consider SAO's script bad. In fact, it is above average for me. It has mystical things, romance beyond "the story ends with the first kiss" kind, power of love, protagonist who is nominally smart, protagonist speaking about morality, last-second reversals, likeable female characters and so on. The first half of the first season screwed up the pacing somewhat, and if it was twice as long, it would have had the time for battle commentary, flashbacks and training sequences like in shounen battle anime, but I can forgive this. The second half of the first season annoys the feminist in me, but the author tried to salvage the story as well as he could. From that point on, I don't have much complaints. Except that I would gladly watch a few more OVAs of the girls. kamisama751 said: flannan said: -Maz said: Zelkiiro said: I don't care that there are many genres--what pisses me off is when people hold up a piece of garbage from any genre (e.g. Sword Art Online, Erased, Another, Elfen Lied) and claim that they're good when they are clearly not, and there are much, much better alternatives for each of them just lying around, waiting to be seen. But nope! Just because they have the visage of good animation and the illusion of stylish art, they pollute the anime environment and trick gullible viewers into thinking they're good. And anime that rely on ecchi as a crutch are the worst offenders. Sure, I don't disagree with you there. I always prefer those who can recognise the difference between "I liked this" and "this is good" with the opposite obviously being true as well. But oftentimes it's nothing more than a reflection of how seriously they take the medium. If they just watch a couple of shows here and there, it stands to reason they're not going to want to spend all their time critiquing every aspect of what they do watch. They will especially not have the time to do some digging and find the diamonds-in-the-rough for each genre. One thing all the anime you mentioned have in common is that they're vastly different to one another and at least one aspect of them stands out completely from the rest. SAO's a trapped-in-a-game, Elfen Lied is gory, Another had a semi-decent mystery going for the first handful of episodes before devolving into Final Destination on steroids. This will of course attract people to them because they each have a stand-out point. It's only natural that people will flock to them. You know, when a serious fan like me finds such a diamond in the rough, it doesn't get appreciated. "Musaigen Walking Boobs!" they say. I already ranted about that one. "I couldn't solve Rokka no Yuusha, therefore it's unfair and not a proper detective story!" they say. By the way, I couldn't solve RnY too, but the clues were all there. "Rakudai and Asterisk are exactly the same!" they say. They were not the same from the start, and grew even more distant as the show went on. And don't get me started on all the criticism that is poured on SAO. “I like it so it must be good.” Haven’t seen anyone using any of your mentioned examples yet. While these shows are actually bad (except Rakudai Kishi no Chivalry). They are indeed good. Rokka no Yuusha had budget issues, but it was awesome in its uniqueness. And like you said, Rakudai is unusually strong for its genre. kamisama751 said: flannan said: -Maz said: As for the ecchi part - I think that any story that has to lean on a crutch is pretty bad. I don't see the point in specifically pointing out sexual content as being the worst, because it's the crutch aspect of it that's bad, not the sexual content itself. One of the main criticisms levied at Another and Elfen Lied are that they're just gorefests with nothing else going for them. EL had sexual content too that was tacked in, but I disliked that aspect of it just as much as I disliked the overuse of blood and gore. Crutches are bad, no matter what actually makes up the crutch. Your thinking is too plot-centric. Until you let go of it, you would not be able to understand us. Ecchi, gore, moe, battles or whatever isn't a "crutch" for the plot. It's the content. And the plot is merely a writing device to present the content better. Sure, some shows seek some kind of balance, with a worthwhile plot and plenty of service along the way. And some shows are all about the plot. It doesn't mean any of them feel that their plot isn't good enough. They have as much plot as they want to. Therefore, the content of those certain shows are bad since they are nothing more than echi, gore, moe and so on while also lacking in the plot department which actually determines the quality. They are the device for presenting the content better anyways. If they are sh*t then the content won’t be any better. I cannot agree with you that plot determines the quality. That's your personal prejudice. kamisama751 said: flannan said: Lobinde said: I don't think mutual understanding is really possible through discussion topics like this, I'm just here for entertainment. I understand the other side well enough - plots can be fun, when done right. I just want them to respect my point of view. Not "You are an intellectual toddler, giggling and cooing at the bright colors and jumbled noises masquerading as entertainment". Asking others to respect you when you go aggressive on them. I am not asking. I am demanding what I deserve. |
Jun 7, 2016 8:06 AM
#224
Constant fanservice is usually a coverup for a bland and uninteresting anime. I enjoy anime that tell a story and don't feature spineless beta male MC surrounded by girls way out his league thirsting for him, so this ecchi "epidemic" really affects my options when I want to watch anime. Sooner or later people will realize that they can find the same shit they find in ecchi plus more doing a simple google search |
Saber-obsessed Fatestan. Nothing to see here |
Jun 7, 2016 8:14 AM
#225
flannan said: KoreaWS said: Plot holes, logic contradictions, unreasonable characters, etc, etc, etc. They make trainwrecks. They make the show objectively worse. People can, and they do enjoy shows that are trainwrecks. Does that makes the show good? No. Does that means it can't entertain? neither, but the truth is there, and a trainwreck is a trainwreck regardless of the enjoyment it can give to a particular individual. You are objectively wrong. I can prove it. Tengen Toppa Gurenn Lagann. QED. First, TTGL doesn't takes itself seriously. Use a show that takes itself seriously next time as a counter-example. Second, you missed the bolded statement. TTGL doesn't cares about logic to begin with, embraces that and because of that it is amazing, despite his trainwreck-y tendency (which isn't even relevant for that show). Third, you think SAO is above average, and think that "last-second reversals" are noteworthy. I don't trust your judgement of what is good or not. @Z-Dante oh hey ecchi warrior, too scared to answer my last comment? |
ThieveryJun 7, 2016 8:30 AM
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. But does the heart have the right perspective? |
Jun 7, 2016 8:32 AM
#226
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't reply to low quality troll posts. As we've all figured by now, Dude, if you're going to troll, then at least make it a high quality one :/ |
Z-DanteJun 7, 2016 9:24 AM
Jun 7, 2016 8:40 AM
#227
Z-Dante said: Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't reply to low quality troll posts. As we've all figured by now, Dude, if you're going to troll, then at least make it a high quality one :/ Nice evasive maneuver, captain. Not that you would try, either. It's easier to label an argument as "bait" that even attempting to give reasons. You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. Ecchi warriors indeed. |
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. But does the heart have the right perspective? |
Jun 7, 2016 8:45 AM
#228
BRACE YOURSELF STUPIDITY IS COMING/HERE [quote=KoreaWS message=46366540][quote=Z-Dante message=46366491] KoreaWS said: /quote] Nice evasive maneuver, captain. Not that you would try, either. It's easier to label an argument as "bait" that even attempting to give reasons. You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. Ecchi warriors indeed. |
Jun 7, 2016 8:54 AM
#229
[quote=DoctorSexy message=46366587]BRACE YOURSELF STUPIDITY IS COMING/HERE [quote=KoreaWS message=46366540][quote=Z-Dante message=46366491] KoreaWS said: /quote] Nice evasive maneuver, captain. Not that you would try, either. It's easier to label an argument as "bait" that even attempting to give reasons. You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. Ecchi warriors indeed. _________________________________________ Oh hey doc, how's business going? |
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. But does the heart have the right perspective? |
Jun 7, 2016 9:03 AM
#230
[quote=KoreaWS message=46366643][quote=DoctorSexy message=46366587]BRACE YOURSELF STUPIDITY IS COMING/HERE [quote=KoreaWS message=46366540] Z-Dante said: KoreaWS said: /quote] Nice evasive maneuver, captain. Not that you would try, either. It's easier to label an argument as "bait" that even attempting to give reasons. You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. Ecchi warriors indeed. _________________________________________ Oh hey doc, how's business going? PIMPIN business is good Do you blame the ecchi watchers because of anime studio are making more ecchi anime's? no because a. im an ecchi/harem/ecchi fan and b. ecchi and harem anime have be declining since 2010 |
Jun 7, 2016 9:14 AM
#231
On gawd! Do you guys even know how to use Bbcode? @KoreaWS, ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? I said if you wanna bait, then at least make it a high quality one and not so obvious ones >You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. > Ecchi warriors indeed. Re: I can understand old geezers not liking modern ecchi but keep it to yourself, will ya? |
Z-DanteJun 7, 2016 9:19 AM
Jun 7, 2016 9:21 AM
#232
Z-Dante said: @KoreaWS, ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? I said if you wanna bait, then at least make it a high quality one and not so obvious ones >You didn't even tried to give reasons to say why my last comment was a bait. > Ecchi warriors indeed. Where do I say that in this post? And god, asking for a reply on a previous post is now called baiting? People are getting too sensitive... Z-Dante said: Re: I can understand old geezers not liking modern ecchi but keep it to yourself, will ya? YOU ECCHI POLICE WILL NEVER SILENCE MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! Also: a 5 years difference makes me an old geezer. I was born in 1992. Gonna get my retirement check and put on my prosthetic teeths, stay right there sonny... |
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. But does the heart have the right perspective? |
Jun 7, 2016 9:22 AM
#233
This thread should just end. The pro-ecchi people are like "hurr ur just b8ing" and the anti ecchi people are like "hurr i dont like ecchi so no one should watch it stop liking what I don't like". Both sides repeating the same arguments ad nauseum. I'm not doing this just to purposefully assume the middle ground and look superior to everyone, I genuinely think the arguments from both sides have become stupid at this point. |
Jun 7, 2016 9:26 AM
#234
Oh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
Jun 7, 2016 9:28 AM
#235
Lobinde said: I'm not doing this just to purposefully assume the middle ground and look superior to everyone, I genuinely think the arguments from both sides have become stupid at this point. Please don't stir up the hornet's nest even further. There are some seriously mentally unstable people in this thread... I can almost see them stabbing their dakimakuras with their ceremonial katanas. You're gonna get someone killed, I shit you not. |
Jun 7, 2016 9:30 AM
#236
Wensbane said: Lobinde said: I'm not doing this just to purposefully assume the middle ground and look superior to everyone, I genuinely think the arguments from both sides have become stupid at this point. Please don't stir up the hornet's nest even further. There are some seriously mentally unstable people in this thread... I can almost see them stabbing their dakimakuras with their ceremonial katanas. You're gonna get someone killed, I shit you not. But I like stirring the hornet's nest lol, you should have seen me on the steam forums back when I posted on those regularly. |
Jun 7, 2016 9:38 AM
#237
Wensbane said: Lobinde said: I'm not doing this just to purposefully assume the middle ground and look superior to everyone, I genuinely think the arguments from both sides have become stupid at this point. Please don't stir up the hornet's nest even further. There are some seriously mentally unstable people in this thread... I can almost see them stabbing their dakimakuras with their ceremonial katanas. You're gonna get someone killed, I shit you not. They are gonna make Voodoo Danimakuras. |
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye. But does the heart have the right perspective? |
Jun 7, 2016 1:49 PM
#238
As you said it's a bussines.Anime industry kinda relies on ecchi genre but I don't get why would we blame ecchi watchers.I mean it's not hurting anyone if you don't like ecchi then just don't watch it.Ecchi's purpose is to make money and sometimes it allows stuidos to make all those other anime even some that considered as masterpiece to majority of people.It doesn't matter which industry we talk about sex sells.It draws attention.It is an income source for most animation studio.Ofcourse it would've been better if anime industry didn't rely on ecchi that much but it is so.. Plus it's not like ecchi is the only genre that comes out in an anime season we have plenty of good anime in this spring season that is currently airing and most of them are not ecchi.I personally don't watch ecchi anime but I have nothing against it nor its audience. |
Jun 7, 2016 1:49 PM
#239
Why is there always a person which cries about a certain genre? |
Jun 7, 2016 4:32 PM
#240
It's all about making money. It's the absolute basics of business. Since anime studios are a business, they will make whatever their audience wants, unfortunately what a lot of anime fans want are ecchi series. There are always daring anime studios that make ground-breaking work that doesn't conform to the rising popularity of ecchi and moe. Most studios will not make series that fans are not asking for. This is why the mecha genre is not as popular as it was in the 80's and 90's. So it's obvious that ecchi fans are responsible for the over flood of harems and panty shots in anime, it's not really debatable if you have a basic understanding of the relationship between suppler and consumer. What is debatable, though, is if "there are too many ecchi and moe shows?" . Though the answer to that question is completely subjective. For me, personally, I see moe and ecchi shows as a rich dessert. It's sweet and a nice treat, as long as it's taken in small quantities. Though the over saturation of the genre has made me sick. These kind of shows cover up actual masterworks, to the point where the entire media of anime looks as if it is completely composed of perverted series. |
Hunk_BerryJun 7, 2016 4:36 PM
Jun 7, 2016 5:04 PM
#241
Lobinde said: Ecchi isn't a real genre in the first place The definition of the word "genre" (according to Websters Dictionary) is as the following states... "Genre noun a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter." Based of this definition, we can conclude that, for a group of art pieces to be considered a "genre", they need to have similar "form, style, or subject matter". Firstly; form. Form is how something is structured. Archetypes and motifs are a defining feature in the structure in an art form. Of the top of your head, I'm certain that you can list of several motifs throughout the ecchi genre. In fact, one of the main reasons why people despise this genre, is because of it's abundance of stale and overly-predictable motifs Secondly; style. Style can be used as an acceptable synonym for "form". So using what I said about form in the last paragraph, is not far-fetched. As for visual style, the ecchi genre doesn't share that many similarities in their animation. Lastly; Subject Matter. Hopefully it's not necessary for me to explain this one, as it is quite obvious. Fan service is a matter that defines the genre. Also, there is a clear commonality with these series' plots. With all of these ideas in mind, it is completely reasonable (by definition) to proclaim the existence of the ecchi genre. Though you are right that the word "ecchi" is a Japanese word that roughly translates to "pervert", that does not prevent the word from defining a genre. In Japan, anime viewers and watchers use "ecchi" as the title of two genres, as well as a slang for "pervert" . |
Jun 7, 2016 5:10 PM
#242
Lobinde said: Wensbane said: Lobinde said: I'm not doing this just to purposefully assume the middle ground and look superior to everyone, I genuinely think the arguments from both sides have become stupid at this point. Please don't stir up the hornet's nest even further. There are some seriously mentally unstable people in this thread... I can almost see them stabbing their dakimakuras with their ceremonial katanas. You're gonna get someone killed, I shit you not. But I like stirring the hornet's nest lol, you should have seen me on the steam forums back when I posted on those regularly. Pfft they always get stirred up when reasonable ppl try to make them stop. This is the anime comunity and I know how poisonous it is. |
Jun 7, 2016 6:04 PM
#243
Jun 7, 2016 6:05 PM
#244
Jun 7, 2016 7:45 PM
#245
Zelkiiro said: funny because some of ecchi lovers i found is one of best people to talk to about anime quality... better than most psuedo elitist on malOh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. |
Jun 7, 2016 7:56 PM
#246
Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: funny because some of ecchi lovers i found is one of best people to talk to about anime quality... better than most psuedo elitist on malOh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. If you try to tell me that shows like Bakuon!! or Recently My Sister is Unusual or Highschool of the Dead are "good," then I'm just going to laugh at you. Certainly the only thing you can say about them with "good" in the sentence is that they're "good" at what they do--certainly Eyebrow Chick Main Character from Bakuon!! provides some nice fanservice, because thick eyebrows and short hair are 2 of my 3 fetishes--but to say that Bakuon!! is a good show is provably false. |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
Jun 7, 2016 8:01 PM
#247
Zelkiiro said: no, i mean quality anime in general... not only ecchi anime quality, since it's their favorite shows, their fanboyism will affected with their opinion which can be apply to every fans... if you argue about comedy series with me, of course i will defend them as hard as i can if i found them good comedy...Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: Oh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. If you try to tell me that shows like Bakuon!! or Recently My Sister is Unusual or Highschool of the Dead are "good," then I'm just going to laugh at you. Certainly the only thing you can say about them with "good" in the sentence is that they're "good" at what they do--certainly Eyebrow Chick Main Character from Bakuon!! provides some nice fanservice, because thick eyebrows and short hair are 2 of my 3 fetishes--but to say that Bakuon!! is a good show is provably false. |
Jun 7, 2016 8:04 PM
#248
Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: no, i mean quality anime in general... not only ecchi anime quality, since it's their favorite shows, their fanboyism will affected with their opinion which can be apply to every fans... if you argue about comedy series with me, of course i will defend them as hard as i can if i found them good comedy...Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: funny because some of ecchi lovers i found is one of best people to talk to about anime quality... better than most psuedo elitist on malOh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. If you try to tell me that shows like Bakuon!! or Recently My Sister is Unusual or Highschool of the Dead are "good," then I'm just going to laugh at you. Certainly the only thing you can say about them with "good" in the sentence is that they're "good" at what they do--certainly Eyebrow Chick Main Character from Bakuon!! provides some nice fanservice, because thick eyebrows and short hair are 2 of my 3 fetishes--but to say that Bakuon!! is a good show is provably false. To be more specific, you're not the kind of person who draws my ire--it's people like Z-Dante and Mamster-P who are all like: "Well thought-out storylines and complex characters? BOOOOO Jiggling tits and sweaty underage teenage girl asses? DING DING DING" |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
Jun 7, 2016 8:11 PM
#249
Zelkiiro said: Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: funny because some of ecchi lovers i found is one of best people to talk to about anime quality... better than most psuedo elitist on malOh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. If you try to tell me that shows like Bakuon!! or Recently My Sister is Unusual or Highschool of the Dead are "good," then I'm just going to laugh at you. Certainly the only thing you can say about them with "good" in the sentence is that they're "good" at what they do--certainly Eyebrow Chick Main Character from Bakuon!! provides some nice fanservice, because thick eyebrows and short hair are 2 of my 3 fetishes--but to say that Bakuon!! is a good show is provably false. To be more specific, you're not the kind of person who draws my ire--it's people like Z-Dante and Mamster-P who are all like: "Well thought-out storylines and complex characters? BOOOOO Jiggling tits and sweaty underage teenage girl asses? DING DING DING" now we goes to spesific ecchi series... if you watch tom and jerry expecting some serious plot and story and mindblow character development and judge with that, of course i am gonna laugh at you, because it's totaly not the purpose of the series and you judge them as the way it is... it's as laughable if you watch thirller expecting comedy... ecchi series it self does providing entertianment by nudity, but there is series that not only with that... but don't analize it what the series actually not even try to do and totaly missing the purpose of them as entertainment medium... |
Jun 7, 2016 8:15 PM
#250
Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: no, i mean quality anime in general... not only ecchi anime quality, since it's their favorite shows, their fanboyism will affected with their opinion which can be apply to every fans... if you argue about comedy series with me, of course i will defend them as hard as i can if i found them good comedy...Kuma said: Zelkiiro said: funny because some of ecchi lovers i found is one of best people to talk to about anime quality... better than most psuedo elitist on malOh, I'm not saying the ecchi warriors can't like their ecchi--I just want to forever discourage them from ever having the gall to assert that their opinion on the quality of anime is somehow valid. If you try to tell me that shows like Bakuon!! or Recently My Sister is Unusual or Highschool of the Dead are "good," then I'm just going to laugh at you. Certainly the only thing you can say about them with "good" in the sentence is that they're "good" at what they do--certainly Eyebrow Chick Main Character from Bakuon!! provides some nice fanservice, because thick eyebrows and short hair are 2 of my 3 fetishes--but to say that Bakuon!! is a good show is provably false. To be more specific, you're not the kind of person who draws my ire--it's people like Z-Dante and Mamster-P who are all like: "Well thought-out storylines and complex characters? BOOOOO Jiggling tits and sweaty underage teenage girl asses? DING DING DING" now we goes to spesific ecchi series... if you watch tom and jerry expecting some serious plot and story and mindblow character development and judge with that, of course i am gonna laugh at you, because it's totaly not the purpose of the series and you judge them as the way it is... it's as laughable if you watch thirller expecting comedy... ecchi series it self does providing entertianment by nudity, but there is series that not only with that... but don't analize it what the series actually not even try to do and totaly missing the purpose of them as entertainment medium... The sad thing is, those two people aren't just saying they hate well-written plots and characters in their ecchi--those two say they hate well-written plots and characters, period. That's the kind of shit that makes my blood boil. |
This glorious signature image was created by @Mayumi! I am the Arbiter of Absolute Truth, and here is my wisdom: "Anime was always influenced by the West. This is not news. Shoujo is the superior genre primarily aimed at young people. Harem/isekai are lazy genres that refuse any meaningful innovation. There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime. You should be watching Carole & Tuesday." |
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