| You guys should add a premium subscription where we get to add more favorite characters/anime/manga, be able to have a bigger file size on profile pics, no ads, colored username ect |
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| I specifically downloaded adblock because of MAL, every time i'd go on the site it would slow everything down & take forever to click through shit. I will not be unblocking the ads, it went from taking 30 seconds to click through 4 links Series<sequel<so on, to taking 5seconds. Lower the amount of ads and i'll turn it off again. Until then though.. |
jimbobyoo said: Maybe try it now? I just joined, but when I first got here, the ads lagged everything out and made shockwave player crash. Doesn't do that anymore.I specifically downloaded adblock because of MAL, every time i'd go on the site it would slow everything down & take forever to click through shit. I will not be unblocking the ads, it went from taking 30 seconds to click through 4 links Series<sequel<so on, to taking 5seconds. Lower the amount of ads and i'll turn it off again. Until then though.. |
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UnpopularAnime said: Ari_the_Lioness said: Don't browsers come with some security to stop that from happening? idk how you managed to get a virus from being on a website... I couldn't get a virus from ads unless I tried for an hour straight.No they can't guarentee you won't get a virus. They say they aren't responsible for any virus or trojans from 3rd parties, YET they want you to unblock ads so you will be exposed to virus. I know it's not not MAL's fault but last year I had to pay over 100 dollars to reinstall Windows 7 after a virus got on it and the computer wouldn't turn on at all, not even in Safe Mode. Yeah, so I am not to to intentionally expose my computer to viruses just because the site needs money. Didn't have a problem before. If it becoming too much to host this site, why not just turn it back into a LISTING site and take away the streaming services (that doesn't work for half the people on here), features articles, and other uneccessary bullshit, put the profiles back to how they were before, and actually start listening to us? I use chrome I don't know where I got the virus from but I am not taking any chances. Ads stay blocked on ALL web sites. No if, ands, buts or exceptions. This web site, or any other web site out there won't care if you get a virus from the ads they host, likewise I don't care if they need money. And yes browsers come with security to stop that from happenimg. It's called adblock. I also have Avast security extension that blocks trackers amd tells me whether a site is safe or not. |
| There is no way I will turn off my AdBlock with those NSFW ads, they are really disturbing. |
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| i refuse to even use mal on my phone because of the bloody pop-ups |
| C'mon people use this site for years and can't even support it? Complaining about how you don't like certain update or how you want X thing on the site, but you don't have so you won't white list the site is such a douche thing. Ads on MAL are not intrusive. I have the site whitelisted for a long time already and never had problem with Ads |
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Immahnoob said: UnpopularAnime said: Exactly, MAL has no obligation to give me anything, nor do I have any obligation to give them anything, unless they make it so that I have to pay for their services.Well I guess it doesn't, it just makes you selfish. mal has no obligation to give you this service.... but they do, and all they ask is that you deal with a few pictures being on screen. Is this all? Because for now, you didn't actually bring forth any argument that matters... I didn't force them to give me these services, nor did I advice them to make their services free. They did all that by themselves. What now? Truly, the only way I'll disable adblock is if they get rid of all the ads. Kek. What about supporting the site you use since 2012? Are you that selfish to act like you don't need the site for anything while you have been using it for such a long time |
TyrelMay 26, 2016 12:13 PM
| I despise woke people. |
| @Kaetokiha selfish I think I've went over this already. Neither a shaming argument nor an emotional argument will deter me from my decision. I could as well be selfish, I don't see how that matters. They're giving their services for free, if they want money, then they have to make them pay to use, otherwise, I don't see why I should go out of my way to help them in any way, that just means that the service is no longer free and they're really bad at enforcing that aspect. The keyword here is "service". MAL isn't my "friend", "girlfriend" or whatever. Services cannot have any type of expectation of me, they don't have any right, legally or otherwise. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| You had a chance to offer ads based on the content this site is based around and yet you failed right out of the gate. Instead you dump pages with ads that add cookies, location tracking, and spread information to a network of other crappy sites. If you want a look yourself then grab firefox and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ *edited spoiler tag name* |
lanfireMay 26, 2016 1:05 PM
min said: You too?i refuse to even use mal on my phone because of the bloody pop-ups Kaetokiha said: Ads on MAL are not intrusive. I have the site whitelisted for a long time already and never had problem with Ads I'm afraid you didn't test it on mobile (especially Android). The ads detect the plateform and serve malevolent code with forced redirects or opens the play store without being allowed to, thus forcing me to use Adblock only for MAL on mobile. I still browse without it on other websites. lanfire said: You had a chance to offer ads based on the content this site is based around and yet you failed right out of the gate. Instead you dump pages with ads that add cookies, location tracking, and spread information to a network of other crappy sites. If you want a look yourself then grab firefox and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ This too... Get your ads fixed and we can talk about that again. Our devices aren't trash you fill with tier cookies because you want to have your cake and eat it too. If ads were just still pictures or GIFs hosted internally with no security issue, I would support you hands down. But for that you would have to let aside financial concerns and set up your own advertising service. It is the future of the web for me. "Ethical" ads, through your own service, without the tracking and dirty code, and reviewed sites we could click on without being wary. And not too much on the same page, no popups, etc... Well, I can dream on, this is fantasy in the business world... I want to go back in time on this aspect of the internet. The web without css wasn't very fancy, and had almost no ads whatsoever. |
NoblueskyMay 26, 2016 2:02 PM
| I didn't ever use adblock until the stupid autoplay videos. Fucking intrusive especially if this site has enabled two at the same time on the same page. |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
Lu_Aza said: That's like every ad described when visiting a regular website ala MSN/Yahoo etc. Hooray for aggressive ads! /sI'll disable adblock if you can promise me the following; 1) No flash ads. 2) No ads with sound. 3) No pop ups. 4) NO GODDAMNED MALWARE If you can, then we're cool. If not then no, I will not whitelist this site. I regularly sat through the 90 seconds of absolute silence when Blip tried to "encourage" people to disable adblock, so I can handle a bunch of notices telling me about using it. |
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| I would disable adblock but.... you put "notice us senpai" on it when I accidentally had AdBlock off and now I'm never disabling it again |
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| I've disabled AdBlock for the time being. I've used it for years in order to prevent slowdowns. Ads have always showed down my internet browsing, particularly since I don't have all that fast of an internet connection. It's a mere 1.5mbps and often makes streaming anime or even just youtube videos difficult. I live in the US, for the record. But for feedback on types of ads and their placement: Dislike: + Anything that makes the page wind up with a horizontal scroll bar, like ads on both the left and right sidebar. My desktop monitor displays 1366x768 and yet this happens. + Anything that plays sound. I've had problems with shutting that off and often it'll play right over any PVs I try to watch. + Popups. + NSFW imagery. + Square-shaped ads (or ones close enough to that) waste a lot of space if not placed well. Like: + Placement at bottom of forum pages. + Rectangular, banner-style ads. + Easy-to-load ads that don't add much bandwidth. + Honestly? I like how Plurk does advertisements. They look like narrow rectangles and only expand to show the full ad when you hover the cursor over them. |
Yamaro said: The main reason why I use AdBlock on this site is because of the incredibly annoying placement. If there were an option to pay a small fee (i.e. 10 to 20 Euro) a year, I would definitely do so. It may push more people to do this if you include some small extra features for 'premium' members, such as some extra stats from your list. Features that don't currently exist but are fun to have. This may even generate more revenue for you then advertisement currently does too, and keep your userbase happy at the same time. i mean, WHY do you think we have adblock? to waste space on our computer? like, THINK here. of COURSE we won't turn it off. |
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lanfire said: You had a chance to offer ads based on the content this site is based around and yet you failed right out of the gate. Instead you dump pages with ads that add cookies, location tracking, and spread information to a network of other crappy sites. If you want a look yourself then grab firefox and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ *edited spoiler tag name* That's kind of disturbing... I have a question to ask the people who are calling the people using adblock 'selfish'. I have to ask, how are YOU being affected any? I mean the web site is, but how are YOU, personally being affected by people using adblock? That's right, you're not. So I don't get why you are venomously lashing at people who use adblock. I know the reason, this is just a great excuse for people to pointlessly argue with each other over the internet. You wanna to support the site, fine, then YOU let ads show, but let other people worry about what they want to do on their computer. Jeebus...... |
ArillionMay 26, 2016 5:21 PM
lasterrending said: Can MAL guarantee that the ads are safe? By that I don't mean in the NSFW sense, but that they don't try to install malware on my computer. I'm sure this isn't MAL's intention, but I've seen other reputable sites serving up some blatantly dangerous ads without realizing it. Can MAL guarantee that the ads don't track me? If they want to increment some kind of counter to know that someone viewed the page with the ad, I don't mind, but I don't want them logging my IP, setting tracking cookies, and trying to build a profile of me so they can spam me. If MAL can guarantee both of the above, I'll happily whitelist the site. But without such a guarantee, browsing the web without an ad blocker is more dangerous than running a computer without antivirus. The advertising industry has decided that they're at war with everyone on the internet and therefore they believe any tactic to force their ads down everyone's throat is legitimate no matter how unethical or immoral. I don't blame MAL; they're just caught in the crossfire. Nope, that's why they made this thread: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1513863 MAL turned all of its users into guinea pigs to root out the bad ads, instead of making sure they are reputable before publishing them. |
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| "Are there any pages on MAL where you don't mind the ads? Are there any pages where you really mind them?" The only places where ads would ever bother me is on my anime list as it's the main place I use. I don't mind them so much in other places such as on the home or on my profile as I only tend to be on those sections while looking around so it's nice to see ads (wowow, shocker). "If there were an option to subscribe monthly/yearly (by paying money) to both hide advertisements and support MAL, would you?" Please don't do this. I feel as though within time more and more people will see this thread and a lot of sensible people will understand, so income should hopefully increase over this time. Looking at it from the developer's angle I'd probably say go for it, you could do with more income for doing this job. I say this because I'd still happily use the service even with ads because it's constantly being upgraded now. I'm from England and I'm so happy I'm finished writing this because it's such a crappy chore to do on mobile! |
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| You can remove the annoying banners with Ublocks element picker. |
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| Jokes on you, I like the "Notice us, senpai" things more than those girl-in-the-wall ads. |
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Max said: Kaetokiha said: What about supporting the site you use since 2012? Are you that selfish to act like you don't need the site for anything while you have been using it for such a long time There's no point in calling @Immahnoob "selfish" for not wanting to support the site. It's his choice to make, even if you disagree with it—there is no obligation to give us anything. Doesn't matter if it is or not his choice...it's still selfish. Someone can have the right to act like a douchebag, but that doesn't make them any less of a douche. |
| I despise woke people. |
| as long as they dont pop out im good |
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| I have a suggestion. Would it be possible for you guys to put all the adverts on just a single page? Then link it with a slightly larger button in a visible area that says "support us" or "merchandise". The problem with adverts is they're a performance hit and make the site load longer. Also, they spoil the aesthetics and general flow of the website. If they were on a single page I'd gladly check it out daily and click through a few of them. I've never seen any website do this so I don't know how viable it'd be, but maybe you could test it. As for the content - manga and anime related ads are obvious (also posters, figurines, etc.). Then merchandise from popular movies books, etc., probably a lot of fans of that here too. But anime and manga cover a wide variety of genres and interests, so you could also have ads for sports equipment, musical instruments, computer hardware, etc. I think we anime fans are some of the most progressive nerds that pick up a wide range of hobbies xD. I'm from EU by the way. |
| (|__/) Never give up, aim for the top! (='.'=) Top wo nerae! o(")(") Anime music: http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=777199 |
| Honestly, the endless bitching and moaning about things like the profile redesign is why the mods/admins are fed up and refuse to listen, and what drives the more rational members away from MAL. Getting back to the topic at hand, I do agree that *some* of the ads are indeed obtrusive (especially NSFW content). The large ones that are usually on the bottom of the pages leaves a fair amount of ugly blank space. |
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| Wew lad, that's fine with me, MAL. I have a HOSTS-file based adblock on my phone so I'm too lazy to whitelist on that (sorry >.<) but I'll definitely make sure to whitelist you when I browse on my PC. I hope that's a reasonable compromise ~.~ |
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Kaetokiha said: So you won't answer me but you'll answer 3rd parties, huh?Max said: There's no point in calling @Immahnoob "selfish" for not wanting to support the site. It's his choice to make, even if you disagree with it—there is no obligation to give us anything. Doesn't matter if it is or not his choice...it's still selfish. Someone can have the right to act like a douchebag, but that doesn't make them any less of a douche. It shows how little you actually believe your own words, anyway, as I said: The keyword here is "service". MAL isn't my "friend", "girlfriend" or whatever. Services cannot have any type of expectation of me, they don't have any right, legally or otherwise. There's no contract, no agreement of any kind (legal, moral, social, etc), etc. You're telling me I'm selfish because MAL chose to be free to use. Learn the definition of "selfish". |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Nope,I'm definitly not going to disable adblock on this site. Why? Because as it was said previously,changes on mal can be done by users that know about programmation and not necessarily pro-dev or things like that. And I feel like everything that was done this past 1.5 year was pointless when there's so much things more important than this. For exemple fixing the clubs forums that are a huge pain in the ass to use when there's a bit too much of topics,or more generally the forum in general. You managed since the creation of the site without having users disabling adblock,so I don't see why you won't now. Find another way,which doesn't need to make user pay for things that are useless and a web site that used to be free. |
Immahnoob said: So you won't answer me but you'll answer 3rd parties, huh? It shows how little you actually believe your own words, anyway... There's no contract, no agreement of any kind (legal, moral, social, etc), etc. . I didn't answer you simply because it's clear you have your opinion already set in stone. The ADMs could come and say MAL will close next week for sure if people doesn't whitelist it, you probably would say you still don't care. There's no contract, no agreement of any kind (legal, moral, social, etc), etc. You're telling me I'm selfish because MAL chose to be free to use. Learn the definition of "selfish" I said you are selfish and this / is exactly why. You basically are saying "i won't do shit if i won't gain anything from it". Selfish means "concerned only with one's own self" and that sure defines you really well (going by what you are saying). No one can force you to help MAL on this so you just won't help...even if you use the site everyday and you like the site you still don't care. It's common sense to support something that's being good and useful for your and only selfish people would say otherwise. You have the right to not help, that's for sure, but it doesn't make you less selfish that this @To-san1 above here /\. |
KaeUBWMay 27, 2016 2:36 AM
| I despise woke people. |
| @Kaetokiha I didn't answer you simply because it's clear you have your opinion already set in stone. Fact, not opinion. Unless you want to deny your whole stance on the basis of nihilism or some shit.The ADMs could come and say MAL will close next week for sure if people doesn't whitelist it, you probably would say you still don't care. Because it's none of my business. I should actually be the one in trouble since I use their services, but otherwise, it's none of my business if they close down.You still don't seem to understand the relationship between us and MAL. They are a service, I am a "customer", although, broadly speaking because I use their services but I do not pay since they are not asking for money. And that's their choice, no one forced them into it. Asking for something in return means they are no longer a free to use site, which means that I can simply not use their site anymore. (1) So I can't be selfish for the choices of someone else. I said you are selfish and this / is exactly why. You basically are saying "i won't do shit if i won't gain anything from it". (2) By that definition, you are currently being selfish because you are wasting my time and I have nothing to gain from it. I am at a loss here because of you. How selfish.Why are you being so selfish, hm? I've had this debate about suicide once and this definition came up, did you know that you are now hurting my brain with your completely idiotic arguments, thus, you are being selfish towards me? I could go on forever. Selfish means "concerned only with one's own self" and that sure defines you really well (going by what you are saying). (3) MAL has no "self", so I can't be selfish since not caring about an object does not fit in the definition of "selfish". Look at point (1) if you're going to say "B-but what about the people behind MAL.". It's not my business if they choose to not have their services be paid. Ads in themselves means that MAL being a free to use site is not actually true. It's common sense Not an argument.to support something that's being good and useful for your and only selfish people would say otherwise (4) This argument breaks down when I use these services and they're in danger because of me. I'm not "selfish" since I lose the benefits to mySELF.:^)  |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Where's the banner though ? The banner or ad not appearing on mobile either (I'm not using any adblocking service on mobile, only on pc). |
Kaetokiha said: It's common sense to support something that's being good and useful for your and only selfish people would say otherwise. You have the right to not help, that's for sure, but it doesn't make you less selfish that this @To-san1 above here /\. did you even read my message? It doesn't seem so. Did you even read the point of other users before me? Many of them said exactly the same thing as I did. You think that not removing adblock is selfish? Really? The site wouldn't need so much money to pay developpers if they accepted the help from users and it would be as efficient,maybe even more than now. That's my point,and debating with you won't make it change,especially since your arguments seems weak,and repetitive from what I read above. |
Kaetokiha said: "People vote with their wallet" In this case, we choose to block ads because of the horrors of clickjacks, redirects, and site butchering. If MAL goes the way of Forbes as an example of forcing users to disable adblocking before entering the website, expect ALOT of people to leave.Max said: There's no point in calling @Immahnoob "selfish" for not wanting to support the site. It's his choice to make, even if you disagree with it—there is no obligation to give us anything. Doesn't matter if it is or not his choice...it's still selfish. Someone can have the right to act like a douchebag, but that doesn't make them any less of a douche. |
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| So my opinions on this. First off, I use Add block and it is set to default on (sadly this is a precaution needed nowadays so i imagine that is why your Add-block numbers are so high), but as the site has earned my trust over a period of time i was completely fine with switching it off as soon as i noticed that you guys wanted to serve adds. "Be careful with strangers, but support those you trust" • What is your biggest complaint with MAL's advertisements? If there are not enough Adds to fill the Open Suply aka more users than adds, the space that the adds occupy is left wight and leaves large unfilled gaps on the page, these look ugly and unprofesional • Which aspect of MAL's ad experience do you think doesn't need improvement (i.e. is good as it is)? The Amount seams to be fine (even if supply was filled "filled" ) • Are there any pages on MAL where you don't mind the ads? Are there any pages where you really mind them? --- • Would you prefer well-placed, in-content advertisements? Or advertisements on the top, sides, and end of the page? I find In-content advertisement to be hard to pull of in a sensible way, without disturbing the users experience • Which kind of advertisements do you like to see? And conversely, don't? Fine with basically anything as-long as it is not purely Click-Bait articles *cough couch* Kiss an *cough cough* • If there were an option to subscribe monthly/yearly (by paying money) to both hide advertisements and support MAL, would you? I would be fine with such a system existing, but would probably not join • Any other comments/concerns/suggestions? You could consider(!) having a Crowdfunding system that lets the site run off of donations instead of or in conjunction with adds • Please let us know your country (or NA/EU/AS, if you don't want to say). EU |
| I don't buy crap unless I need it. Ads do not make me buy things. I NEVER click on ads. Spamming my browser with messages asking me to disable adblock does nothing except make me look at alternative sites. You make the same amount of money from me either way, except now I have a negative user experience. Please revert this. Think of another way to get money. Maybe a subscription service (thought you'd need something amazing to offer people). |
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