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Feb 21, 2016 8:00 PM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Well Crime Sorciere has arrived at Hargeon. And Ultear's back! And young again! Wonder how she pulled that off. She saved Wendy eh? Nice. Makes sense given Dimaria's magic. Time vs. Time incoming apparently...
Feb 22, 2016 1:07 AM
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Ultear is back and young again her whole sacrifice made null and void, except it´s a temporariry fighting mode than I can tolerate it.

For the momment 1/5 and downgraded the manga by one point for the resent bullshit.
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Feb 22, 2016 1:16 AM
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Why is Ultear back! Ugh

At least we got Jellal returning.
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Feb 22, 2016 1:27 AM
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now i wonder how Ultear become young again, she might have trained her time abilities to reverse her own age? but welp time vs time incoming

and Jellal is back too
Feb 22, 2016 1:49 AM
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now i wonder how Ultear become young again, she might have trained her time abilities to reverse her own age? but welp time vs time incoming

and Jellal is back too


Jellal was obvious to show up as it´s a major arc encompassing the whole continent, but an Ultear comeback is garbage as it reverses her whole development in accepting her sins and atoning for them by saving people and sacrificing (her youth in this case) for the live of others.

When there is no sacrifice because she magically discovered a way to revert that.

It´s little Mermaid level of writing but that Movie is catered to little kids has better animation and great songs (arguebly Fairy Tail has them too).
Feb 22, 2016 4:08 AM
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I call BS. Ultear becoming young again ruined the whole tragedy of her using up her life for that 1 second. It was one of my favorite chapters and now it's meaningless :(((((


Feb 22, 2016 4:15 AM
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I call BS. Ultear becoming young again ruined the whole tragedy of her using up her life for that 1 second. It was one of my favorite chapters and now it's meaningless :(((((


i completely agree. how will Mashima explain this? i mean, she was like 80 years old and seemed having no more magic then and now she's back to her former self? why? Gray even cried for her... and now... oh well :(

but i really liked the rest of this chapter.
Feb 22, 2016 4:18 AM
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Jellal back: XDXDXDXD!!!!!!

Ultear back (young):-_-......I love her but why? Maybe I would've felt different if she stayed old.
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Feb 22, 2016 4:34 AM
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Complete Wtf! How tf did Ultear do it? Mashima bruh you got some explaining to do nigga. Thought her life energy was sucked out of her or something. Oh well at least one of my fave girls back to where she should be :) . Also i usually bag on fairy tail for being too hard on that shounen power of friendship BS (Not saying this isn't one of them moments), but this is an exception. Ultear gonna fuck Dimaria

Dope af read.
Feb 22, 2016 4:40 AM

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Why did Hiro-sensei has to bring Ultear back? I really like the ending of her story during the end of the Grand Magic Games arc!! Give me back my tears!!!
Feb 22, 2016 4:45 AM

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Ultear is back?? Eh I don't know how I feel about this. Inb4 some info dump coming soon. I wonder what Kagura has to say to Jellal soon as well.
Feb 22, 2016 5:01 AM

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On one hand I`m really happy Ultear is back because she was one of my favorite characters, on the other hand though, I`m disappointing that her GMG story arc and epic finale was nullified.
Feb 22, 2016 5:02 AM

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Jellal is finally here! I'm in heaven... Yeah, yeah, I know I'm biased but he's my favorite character and he barely ever shows up. Try to understand my pain here.
I'd like to see what Kagura says to him but I get the feeling that she'll say something along the lines of "We'll sort this out after the war is over."
Ultear's back too. I'm happy about it because I knew we'd see her again when Gray mentioned her during the Avatar arc. Her being young again could be temporary though; maybe she's only young when the normal flow of time is stopped?
Oh well, really looking forward to the next chapter. Hopefully we'll get a good explanation about Ultear though.
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Feb 22, 2016 5:02 AM
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but why is ultear back??
why?!?!

or maybe she's an illusion of Midnight? if that's possible. but i don't think so. *sigh*
Feb 22, 2016 5:03 AM

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but why is ultear back??
why?!?!

or maybe she's an illusion of Midnight? if that's possible. but i don't think so. *sigh*

LOL. I like that idea but an illusion shouldn't be able to stop time.
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nicomaine said:
but why is ultear back??
why?!?!

or maybe she's an illusion of Midnight? if that's possible. but i don't think so. *sigh*

LOL. I like that idea but an illusion shouldn't be able to stop time.


which is why i also don't think it's possible. but this is Mashima we're talking about. expect absolutely anything.
Feb 22, 2016 5:08 AM

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So no one is standing between Zeref himself and Fairy Tail? I wanna see his new emperor attire! *_*

I guess this is one of the only ways to conquer the whole time magic thing.
Feb 22, 2016 5:12 AM

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The more i read it the more this manga becoming "GINTAMA" - where the word "WTF" is nothing but a leaves scattered around... LOL

Tho i like how hot ultear is, other than that it'll be next to nothing..
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Wow what a chapter, first of all the cover page, I love these types of cover pages. Well I don't what to make of God Serena, there is no picture of him, but there is no picture of him crossed out like Wahl. We have a nice little Natlu moment, I am cool with that, and this is great news for everyone else because Natsu is out, that means more fight for them, with Natsu the spotlight out for now, so better get in those fights now before Natsu gets up.

So the people left over at Fairy Tail assume someone helped them beat Wahl, wait till they find out, Laxus defeated him all by himself. Is Mavis thinking of surrendering, I don't know, she seems at wits end.

So Gray's team they are beating up these foot soldiers, when some of them slip through the crack, someone helps them, and it is Merody, she is here looking awesome, and Lyon agrees. Funny thing is as far the world of fan fics, one popular ship is Lyon and Merody, and Lyon checks her out, it is something that was just started in the fandom came to life, I don't know how often you see that. Maybe Romeo and Wendy are going to have their moment soon. Anyway Merody is here, that must mean the rest of Crime Sorciere is here.

Erza and Kagura they are having their problems, I don't think they got to Neihhart yet, it is just foot soldiers, but again it is the numbers, just like with Gray, Juvia, and Lyon, sometimes even with footer, numbers can be a problem, and who should show up and I think everyone saw it coming, it is Jellal. Erza is worried about him showing his face, but Jellal is right, with Alverez invading, the council has no time to worry about him, and Kagura is about to have another seizure.

Dimaria is just playing with her opponents, she is acting like a Bond villain or a 1960's Batman TV show villain, when you have the change to kill your opponents, just play around with them, that always works, I liked Dimaria, but I hate how dumb Hiro is making her, she seemed to be intelligent at first, but lately OMG, it is like Hiro is trying to write out of a hole he created but making the villain dumb, anyway she is going to kill Wendy because she messed up her face, again I think if it is a male villain that gets angry about his face getting hit, anyway stopped by OMG, when I saw the outfit this person had, I knew it was going to her, but I was fearful we going to see an old lady in that outfit, but Ultear and she is young.

I can't wait till we get an explanation on that, I do wonder if this is two chapters the Spriggan 12 have cured their enemy of something, Wahl cured Laxus of his sickness, perhaps Dimaria may have giving Ultear her time back, I wonder if this is a temporary thing, I guess we will find out soon. Next chapter Dimaria will use her tramp card, the next chapter doesn't give me much of a hint of what is to come.

This chapter the original Crime Sorciere shows up, when will we see the rest of them, did Rusty join them in the mean time, I expected Sorano to show up in the North, Erik might show up in Magnolia, we will find out soon enough. Great chapter, though I am sure a lot of people are going to be complaining about Ultear and why she is back.
Feb 22, 2016 5:19 AM

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Tbh I much rather have Ultear back than the BS with Aquarius. I should probably be annoyed about this development but Ultear is one of my favourite characters so I have a bias I guess. At least Mashima waiting a few arcs rather than... One and a half (I'll call Avatar a half arc since it was pretty short)
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Why did Hiro-sensei has to bring Ultear back? I really like the ending of her story during the end of the Grand Magic Games arc!! Give me back my tears!!!


I don´t recall if it was an interview or a fanletter in one of the volumes, but he mentioned several times that he prefers to not kill characters period.

I have a ravemaster volume lying around here in which he thoroughly explains that tragedy or romance isn´t fun to write for him and he prefers comedy anytime over it.
Feb 22, 2016 5:28 AM

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Everything besides the Ultear comeback was great. Why Hiro? She sacrificing her youth and life power to save Gray and the others was one of the best and emotional moments in FT. Why ruin it like this. -_-

I want to see an explanation to this and really hope it is just temporary....
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Isterio said:
Ultear is back and young again her whole sacrifice made null and void, except it´s a temporariry fighting mode than I can tolerate it.

For the momment 1/5 and downgraded the manga by one point for the resent bullshit.


Her sacrifice and the death of the FT mages didn't make any sense at all and was simply a plot device to create tension for one and only one chapter.

100+ salty tears collected. :^]
Feb 22, 2016 5:50 AM

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Aw yeah Meredy is back bitches.
A stupid thread deserves a stupid answer!
Feb 22, 2016 5:51 AM
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I just realized something, something I always wanted to see might happen, so I am glad Ultear is back, and I am hoping Gray and the group shows up soon, we can finally all of Ur's children together. We have never seen Gray, Lyon, and Ultear all in the same place at the same time, I am excited about that.
Feb 22, 2016 5:53 AM

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Ultear is back and young again, Dat big ass booty!! <3 Thanks Mashima!

Feb 22, 2016 5:56 AM

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Ulteaaaaar!!
Haven't been this excited for a FT chapter in a while.
I hope it's not a temporary fix/illusion and she in fact is back.

Really hope Jellal/Kagura conversation isn't a 2 second thing.
Feb 22, 2016 6:09 AM

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Ultear's back!
i honestly feel cheated .
i was actually really sad about the whole sacrifice thing ...
and now you're telling me it was for nothing !?
Feb 22, 2016 6:12 AM

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I knew people will get 'salty' over this. I give up, on anythig FT related for now. I enjoyed the chapter, it was nice seeing everyone, and young Ultear too, there must be some kinda spell that lets her be young, temporarily. What I disliked was seeing Erza in that 'armour' cringe worthy.
Feb 22, 2016 6:13 AM

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Dimaria Chronos Yesta, what a badass fucking name

I still think Dimaria has a secondary type of magic, no way she's called "Valkyrie" or "War Princess" with just time magic, with that being said, can't wait for the next chapter.
Feb 22, 2016 6:13 AM
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I would have been more satisfied if Ultear stayed in her old age and still mannage to kick ass like that,
Like Porlyusica but made scarier given the fact that Dimaria was gonna kill using magic like her own
Feb 22, 2016 6:17 AM

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Isterio said:
Ruri-san said:
Why did Hiro-sensei has to bring Ultear back? I really like the ending of her story during the end of the Grand Magic Games arc!! Give me back my tears!!!


I don´t recall if it was an interview or a fanletter in one of the volumes, but he mentioned several times that he prefers to not kill characters period.

I have a ravemaster volume lying around here in which he thoroughly explains that tragedy or romance isn´t fun to write for him and he prefers comedy anytime over it.

Yes I know about Hiro Mashima didn't want to kill any of his characters if possible but for me Ultear's story was the best character development in Fairy Tail (for a side character). If she returned to the story just like that then it defeat the purpose of her sacrifice during the end of Grand Magic Games arc.

BTW, Ultear didn't actually die at the end of said arc. She's just turned old (or what we believe to think)..
Feb 22, 2016 6:18 AM

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I knew people will get 'salty' over this. I give up, on anythig FT related for now. I enjoyed the chapter, it was nice seeing everyone, and young Ultear too, there must be some kinda spell that lets her be young, temporarily. What I disliked was seeing Erza in that 'armour' cringe worthy.


The only salty people in here are the ones who can't accepth that who say it's an asspull are right.
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metsujin said:
I knew people will get 'salty' over this. I give up, on anythig FT related for now. I enjoyed the chapter, it was nice seeing everyone, and young Ultear too, there must be some kinda spell that lets her be young, temporarily. What I disliked was seeing Erza in that 'armour' cringe worthy.


The only salty people in here are the ones who can't accepth that who say it's an asspull are right.


She was turned into an old lady, it's not like it was stated that she can or can't turn back.
Feb 22, 2016 6:32 AM

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Ultear is back and hot looking again.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.
Feb 22, 2016 6:40 AM
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metsujin, just admit you're a blind fanboy/girl who is content with whatever Mashima puts out so people can stop taking your replies seriously.
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My guess is that Ultear gave her 'time' to the others during the GMG.

Then she must have found a way to steal 'time' from criminals to return to her youth.

Basically Ultear might have become immortal aging-wise. She can be killed but not die of old age.
Feb 22, 2016 6:52 AM

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metsujin, just admit you're a blind fanboy/girl who is content with whatever Mashima puts out so people can stop taking your replies seriously.


Right because I definitely love Erza's fights, she's Erza? Pls that's brilliant. And definitely loved Aquarius coming back to clear up the thing with Brandish yes yes. Or the random fanservice we got with Lucy and Brandish, those cats year man, all about them. Natsu's random ilness, sure awesome.
Feb 22, 2016 6:58 AM

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Well that was disappointing. Ultear's sacrifice was one of the best moments in the manga, even that episode was 10/10. Now it feels like that whole scene is irrelevant.
Feb 22, 2016 7:04 AM

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BY the way guys, where did the scarf in natsu's neck come from ?
Feb 22, 2016 7:11 AM

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Meredy is back yeaah!!!
and Jellal too, double yeaah!!!

Feb 22, 2016 7:11 AM
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BY the way guys, where did the scarf in natsu's neck come from ?


Igneel gave it to him.
Feb 22, 2016 7:15 AM

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Urgh. Returning Urteat? Good jon on ruining your own dramatic moments, Mashima. Not that I'm surprised, mind you.
Feb 22, 2016 7:22 AM
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Personally, I am happy Ultear is BACK!

As long they give a good reason why/how she is back and young, then I will find it acceptable.
If not, then I will call BULL.

When it comes to death or "fall" of characters, I don't mind if they come back as long there is good reason/backstory behind it, and they give the revived character a "great comeback" and role that makes their revival worth it.

"unlike how they kinda abuse it like Dragonball"
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BY the way guys, where did the scarf in natsu's neck come from ?
It happened when he was a child. --Memory Days-- I think it was anime only.


I was hoping Ultear was gonna be back, seemed to be leading that way atleast, but it was disappointing that she was young again. I was hoping for old Ultear to kick some back side.
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So sacrifices mean nothing in the long run.. I might need to take a break from this manga.. This arc started strong and 465 was one of the best chapters in the entire manga and since then its fizzling out quickly. And once again the Spriggans have done nothing.. It's like they're taking advice from watching Glasslip. Dimaria has a great design power and name yet Mashima isn't doing anything with it. And gets kicked in the face by lolis.... Again. Compare this to her battle with Ezel where she barely escaped with her life and had rage mode when seeing her best friend literally about to be eaten head first in front of her

And Ultear is back.. One of the few good things about GMG gone. We knew she wasn't dead but she was written to be out of the story. Same with Aquarius yet screw that now. And now she's back in her normal state..

1/5
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While Ultear's comeback seems to be the main topic in this discussion, I also want to mention something.

With Crime Sorcièr now joining the battle, I wonder if Yukino will finally be able to meet her sister! Been waiting and wanting to see that!
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Below decent chapter for me. Certainy Ultear coming back is bullshit and too convenient fro this kind of situation. Will the Spriggan even win at least once?
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So sacrifices mean nothing in the long run.. I might need to take a break from this manga.. This arc started strong and 465 was one of the best chapters in the entire manga and since then its fizzling out quickly. And once again the Spriggans have done nothing.. It's like they're taking advice from watching Glasslip. Dimaria has a great design power and name yet Mashima isn't doing anything with it. And gets kicked in the face by lolis.... Again. Compare this to her battle with Ezel where she barely escaped with her life and had rage mode when seeing her best friend literally about to be eaten head first in front of her

And Ultear is back.. One of the few good things about GMG gone. We knew she wasn't dead but she was written to be out of the story. Same with Aquarius yet screw that now. And now she's back in her normal state..

1/5


Lol what is 'Glasslip'? Also while we're on this topic I'm not sure what to think of this chapter. Me liking Ultear s a character and liking the fanservice she brought was a small price to pay. She had her arc and Her sacrifice. Her story was supposed to be done. Why is Hiro doing this recent stretch of backtracking? And Dimaria hasn't done anything yet

Not sure how to take this. Next week Dimaria will obviously be beaten
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Instead of usually complaining, I'm gonna take this from a different perspective. Mashima brought back most underrated waifu Meredy and the prime waifu Ultear is back. I'm just gonna ignore the plot til all the Spriggans are dead lol. Neinhart is sorta getting hyped up but fighting Jellal AND Erza? Gary and Mary Stu themselves? Dude is fucked.
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