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Dec 13, 2015 1:42 PM
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Always wondered, never asked because of liberal pitchforks and torches.

What do you guys think?
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Technically yes.
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Dec 13, 2015 1:46 PM
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It is actually a disease and it is passed through saliva so getting your ass eaten by gays is sure fire way of becoming gay.
Dec 13, 2015 1:47 PM
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being gay effectively makes you a failure as a human being. Since a species' purpose is to reproduce they are biological dead ends
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gay, no that's a natural variation

gender dysphoria is a mental condition, so maybe? defect isn't the best word for it.


You don't see transgender animals so I think you're right about that
Dec 13, 2015 1:50 PM
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JD2411 said:
being gay effectively makes you a failure as a human being. Since a species' purpose is to reproduce they are biological dead ends


In other words, natural selection?
Dec 13, 2015 1:50 PM
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We live in a strange world.

Even cuckolding is found in nature. Some male animals enjoy looking after the females babies while they have sex with other males.

Pretty hot huh? And natural.
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Veneficia said:
It is actually a disease and it is passed through saliva so getting your ass eaten by gays is sure fire way of becoming gay.

But you're safe if you're the one eating a gay ass?


Yes but if they fart and you smell it you will become gay but on a much slower rate.
Dec 13, 2015 1:52 PM
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Is it genetic though?
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hmm, I'm not sure why you lumped those two together.
Dec 13, 2015 1:55 PM
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Is it genetic though?


I don't know? is there a gay gene? a transgender gene?

It's all confusing
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define natural defect? if by natural defect you mean less likely to pass on genetic material, maybe homosexuality is. though i wouldn't qualify it as such since all the capabilities are there and it would be a "defect" purely in a technical sense. transgender... i guess you could qualify it as a mental disorder if you were feeling particularly vindictive but a natural defect? how?
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Dick_Dawkins said:
We live in a strange world.

Even cuckolding is found in nature. Some male animals enjoy looking after the females babies while they have sex with other males.

Pretty hot huh? And natural.


Well obviously we get beta males in nature just like we do the internet.
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define natural defect? if by natural defect you mean less likely to pass on genetic material, maybe homosexuality is. though i wouldn't qualify it as such since all the capabilities are there and it would be a "defect" purely in a technical sense. transgender... i guess you could qualify it as a mental disorder if you were feeling particularly vindictive but a natural defect? how?


Is it a matter of opinion whether being gay/transgender is an imperfection? Or is it fact?
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define natural defect? if by natural defect you mean less likely to pass on genetic material, maybe homosexuality is. though i wouldn't qualify it as such since all the capabilities are there and it would be a "defect" purely in a technical sense. transgender... i guess you could qualify it as a mental disorder if you were feeling particularly vindictive but a natural defect? how?


Is it a matter of opinion whether being gay/transgender is an imperfection? Or is it fact?


i mean, from an evolutionary perspective being gay probably isn't great... but now we have alternate methods to produce children and shit so i don't think it matters. transgender isn't an imperfection in that sense and i think at best it could be called opinion
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truisms said:
Panzertreee said:


Is it a matter of opinion whether being gay/transgender is an imperfection? Or is it fact?


i mean, from an evolutionary perspective being gay probably isn't great... but now we have alternate methods to produce children and shit so i don't think it matters. transgender isn't an imperfection in that sense and i think at best it could be called opinion


so in other words no i think there's no basis to call either an imperfection beyond on a technical level removed from actual human experience or from bigotry
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Spooks said:
Dick_Dawkins said:
We live in a strange world.

Even cuckolding is found in nature. Some male animals enjoy looking after the females babies while they have sex with other males.

Pretty hot huh? And natural.


Well obviously we get beta males in nature just like we do the internet.
This is why nature and evolution never ceases to thrill me.

You could argue that an animal which is limited in brain power has it's reasons for looking after babies that don't belong to it, while his partner does as she pleases for her own reasons as well.

But now for human males it's purely sexual, and I wonder where they picked that up from. Plus it seems like males always want to be beta and deviant whereas females feel bad for taking advantage. In nature the female would be the one appearing to take advantage whenever she can.
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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.
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Homosexuality occurs in other animals, too, so it probably serves a purpose of some sort. What that purpose is, I can't tell, but I don't think this is some sort of defect.

Transgenderism, however, is a mental illness that needs to be dealt with. And I think this has to do with how we project certain gender roles onto our children, and that it's not something they were born with.
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Homosexuality occurs in other animals, too, so it probably serves a purpose of some sort. What that purpose is, I can't tell, but I don't think this is some sort of defect.

Some animals kill and eat their offspring.
All animals rape.
well, i guess they can't say yes
Dec 13, 2015 2:47 PM

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Homosexuality is Part of the increasingly more accepted, natural Flaws.

Transgenderism is more often than not an educational Failure.
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if it isn't a defect, then why do people get it treated to feel better?

i always assumed it was faulty brain wiring(guy getting feminine waves)
Dec 13, 2015 3:24 PM

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well, i guess they can't say yes

They can.
When monkeys were taught the concept of money the first thing they spent it on was... Sex.
And yup this means female monkeys took the "money" and gave sex in exchange.
Technically it's a form of consent.
Fascinating.
A mutual understanding between two things without the use of any specific grunts. We humans can truly learn from these beasts.
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Panzertreee said:
JD2411 said:
being gay effectively makes you a failure as a human being. Since a species' purpose is to reproduce they are biological dead ends


In other words, natural selection?


Not sure about that, there is cases of gay men having biological children
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This thread is a natural defect
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This thread is a natural defect

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What do you guys think?


According to most of MAL they're a mental illness, a learned defect that just needs beat out of people.

What I think is significantly less Neo-Nazi.
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Maybe it's nature's way of dealing with abandoned baby animals whose parents were killed or do not care for their offspring for whatever reason. I heard that birds (like penguins, flamingos or swans) actually do this
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Rat said:
AO968 said:
Homosexuality occurs in other animals, too, so it probably serves a purpose of some sort. What that purpose is, I can't tell, but I don't think this is some sort of defect.

Some animals kill and eat their offspring.
All animals rape.


lold at this comparison.
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Homosexuality could possibly be considered a defect in reproduction but you could also consider it a variance in the norm.

Transgender has a large range of meaning. For just those who don't have gender dysphoria stuff like gendered interests, gendered behaviour, gendered clothing, gendered hairstyles is all social constructs for imaginary divisions between sexes. If you're talking someone with gender dysphoria who wants to go through opposite sex HRT which causes side effects and undergo life threatening surgery for aesthetics to change their body and still they commit suicide at a large rate that definitely is a mental illness.
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@traed

let's say you're watching porn - is putting yourself in the position of the man/woman in your head while you masturbate a social construct?

it's not. but let's say you're a man who puts himself in the position of the woman. now it's a mental illness.

what do we use as the norm to define mental illness? societal ones possibly? i feel like there's some hypocrisy going on here somewhere.
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Technically, yes. What about it?
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Kyuss said:
@traed

let's say you're watching porn - is putting yourself in the position of the man/woman in your head while you masturbate a social construct?

it's not. but let's say you're a man who puts himself in the position of the woman. now it's a mental illness.

what do we use as the norm to define mental illness? societal ones possibly? i feel like there's some hypocrisy going on here somewhere.
Mental illness is defined by the four D's. Society which is the (D)eviance factor is the least of the factors in criteria and usually applies more to criminal activity.
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It's subjective. You value judge human nature when you presume certain genetics or actions to be defective or desirable for evolution. The scientific observation that reproduction (as we know it) is a positive action, and that the lack thereof is a negative action, for evolution, is falsifiable like any other inductive truth.

With the inclusion of new facts and information, comes the opportunity to falsify any clearly defined scientific assertion. What has been does not necessitate what will be when there is an inability to truly determine the future with theoretical accuracy. It's tentative.

I for one wouldn't get hung up on any such notion, lol.
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Being homosexual isn't a disorder or defect but it's not more accepted in society so who cares right?

Being Transgender means you've had a gender identity disorder or something. Somethings caused you to want to swap your penis/vagina even though humans can't do that properly. Even if you have a transgender penis/vagina you can't reproduce with it so why do it. : I
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Technically yes.
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Tomato said:
Being homosexual isn't a disorder or defect but it's not more accepted in society so who cares right?

Being Transgender means you've had a gender identity disorder or something. Somethings caused you to want to swap your penis/vagina even though humans can't do that properly. Even if you have a transgender penis/vagina you can't reproduce with it so why do it. : I


Either way you won't be reproducing. Homosexuals want a partner of the same sex. It's a part of their life. Transgenders want different parts on their body. It's a part of their life. If both aren't making children then who's to stop either from existing.
Dec 13, 2015 8:43 PM

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no?
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Yeah, but I still acept transgenders for who they are. One of my classmates is transgender and she actually hates all the PC attention that she keeps getting and wishes people would STFU about their rights much like how I feel.
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Defect? Lol no.

Blue eyes are a natural mutation. All variety is. Same with being gay or trans.
Dec 13, 2015 11:06 PM

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Nico- said:
Yeah, but I still acept transgenders for who they are. One of my classmates is transgender and she actually hates all the PC attention that she keeps getting and wishes people would STFU about their rights much like how I feel.
If only more people thought this way.
Dec 13, 2015 11:09 PM

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Its not natural, its a choice and they will be sent hell.

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Nico- said:
Yeah, but I still acept transgenders for who they are. One of my classmates is transgender and she actually hates all the PC attention that she keeps getting and wishes people would STFU about their rights much like how I feel.
Ive spoke to an intersexed person who has lived both masculine and feminine roles before as well as doesnt give a shit if you call him a he or a she and he thinks the transgender community is filled with over-sensitive mental cases. Thats pretty much their words not mine.
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Dec 13, 2015 11:33 PM

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KaiserNazrin said:
Its not natural, its a choice and they will be sent hell.
Hm? If it's a choice, that means everybody, even you, has the ability to be gay right? ;}

That's what I thought.
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Dec 13, 2015 11:57 PM

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I don't know, but I don't think it matters much. A natural defect isn't a moral crime, so these people would still deserve to be treated with respect.
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Dec 14, 2015 2:49 AM

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Gay: no, "transgender": yes.
Dec 14, 2015 3:52 AM

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"Nature" doesn't share your arbitrary view on how things "should be". Things just are. A "natural defect" doesn't exist.

Your question is meaningless.
Dec 14, 2015 4:16 AM

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Nope.
Homosexuality happens in nature, and even if it was unnatural, no one is hurt by it so why the hell should i care.
Transgender, i have no idea i just know i do not care, i genuinely have no idea why anyone would care if someone wants to change the gender they were biologicaly born with, again it is not as if that hurts anyone, seriously, i am pretty sure my life was never impact positively or negatively by any transgender person, so why people get pissed off or hate transgender people is beyond me.
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