Why do people look down on anime?

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Why are people still arguing with Weeaboo? All they've done since they started posting is argue over dumb little things or made little passive aggressive posts while making things up and claiming them as fact with no source to back up what they say. This isn't the first time they've done this.

It's ironic that you would make so many things up while accusing someone else of making things up.

Also apparently anyone who disagrees with their flawed logic is an "astroturfer."

Why are you lying? I explained very clearly why he is an astroturfer.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Well I think I'm going to need a source for this claim, if you don't mind.

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Wait... So you believe all of these people who disagree with you are "anti-anime"? Uwotm8? I mean it's cool if you don't agree with them, but you're not convincing anyone and it's clear no one is convincing you. I'm having trouble understanding exactly why you believe they're all not anime fans... just because they say it's a cartoon...

I already explained what makes ashfrliebert an astroturfer.

Dare I ask, what's the point of continuing the debate?

If people don't want to continue they can leave any time.

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Anime and cartoons are both terminology for animation.

How about no.

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ouriel said:
Let's make it more simple and make something clear; cartoon means animation, just as anime means animation.
So, whether you call anime an cartoon or cartoon an anime they're both animation, the only thing different is that the West uses the term Cartoon to refer to animated movies or series, while the Japanese use the term anime to refer to animated movies or series.

Ok, let me start calling cars motorboats. They're both motor vehicles so what's the difference. I'll also start calling laptops smartphones, since they're both computers.

Listen, I'm really tired of your know it all bullshit attitude, because both Japanese Anime and Western Cartoon term refer to animation, or rather replace animation for a more convenient word that the general populace would use you uneducated dimwit. So instead of calling Japanese animation all the animated movies that come out from Japan, we use the more convenient word anime, same goes for cartoon.
Anime and cartoon are not genres, they're a category under which we categorise animation of various genres.
Same goes for your stupid example, because motor vehicle categorises every vehicle that has motor; planes, cars, boats, trucks.

And for your information smartphones are pocket computers.

No wonder people look down on the Japanese animation because of uneducated stubborn people like you who thinks they are the know it all.

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Anime is shit. Stop astroturfing guys

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ashfrliebert said:
Very well said.

Thanks.

@2weeb4u You know what weeb you are really 2weeb for me, nothing I say will get through to you because of your one track mind.

2weeaboo4u said:
It's commonplace even in modern animation.

Examples???

2weeaboo4u said:
Because you aren't paying enough attention or are in denial. You probably never even thought about this stuff before I explained it to you.

This is what it looks like when characters are inhabiting a location and not just traipsing back and forth in front of a backdrop. Or this (notice the many camera positions the room is shown from in the span of 50 seconds). Something I've also noticed about Disney's backgrounds is how often they are very indistinct, especially the very back. They probably didn't want viewers to be "distracted" by anything.

How is this and this characters not inhabiting a background.

2weeaboo4u said:
I was talking about gestures, not just facial expressions. In cartoonish animation, the character acting is very exaggerated and full of sweeping gestures, like they're trying to make sure all the children in the audience can very easily understand what emotions and intentions are being conveyed. It's not just about being excessive for the sake of comedy. Disney's animation style in their movies also seem like it has to keep the characters constantly moving any way they can, because it would look awkward if they stopped for even a split second. In anime this isn't a problem because of a different animation style. The overall style in anime is realistic and limited animation, even in comedies.

Music was a very major part of golden age theatrical shorts . Animated cartoons were actually the first music videos. Disney and Warner Bros. used cartoons to promote music from their movies so the cartoon characters would be extremely lively. I rather see a character actually move than just stand like a statue most of the time because you know that movement is a major part of animation.

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Wake me up when American TV has animated shows like Aoi Hana, Wandering Son, Serial Experiments Lain, Haibane Renmei, Zipang, Gunslinger Girl, Kanon, Flag, Welcome to the NHK, Hibike, Shirobako, Psycho-Pass, Charlotte and Steins;Gate.

Wake me up when anime has a super villain organization as well written as the Light from Young Justice, wake me up when anime has as a unique post apocalyptic setting as the Land of OOO from Adventure Time, wake me up when anime gets the actual BALLS to cleverly use satire like South Park does to reveal problems in Japanese society,culture and politics. Shimoneta mildly does that but it's nothing compared to South Park.

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Personally, I think the reasons are fairly obvious and discernible. The more engaging discussion is "is it justified?" Few generalizations can ever be true, but I find that such a question gets more to the root stereotypes and misconceptions about anime, and thus has a greater probability of meretricious discussion.

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Listen, I'm really tired of your know it all bullshit attitude, because both Japanese Anime and Western Cartoon term refer to animation, or rather replace animation for a more convenient word that the general populace would use you uneducated dimwit. So instead of calling Japanese animation all the animated movies that come out from Japan, we use the more convenient word anime, same goes for cartoon.

We use the term anime because anime is a subset of animation. Cartoons are also a subset of animation, and thus the term cartoon should only be used to describe cartoons, not any and all animation.

Same goes for your stupid example, because motor vehicle categorises every vehicle that has motor; planes, cars, boats, trucks.

That has been my point all along. Motor vehicles include cars and boats, but boats don't include cars. Animation includes anime and cartoons, but cartoons don't include anime.

And for your information smartphones are pocket computers.

Nobody calls them that, and even if they did it would be beside the point. It wouldn't mean you could call a laptop a pocket computer.

No wonder people look down on the Japanese animation because of uneducated stubborn people like you who thinks they are the know it all.

I am vastly more knowledgeable about and educated on anime and related topics than 99% of people in the community. Since people like me are extremely rare, it doesn't stand to reason that we would have any noticeable effect on how outsiders view anime. If someone starts looking down on anime because they say something incorrect about it and I correct them, it says more about them than it does about me or anime.

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Examples???

South Park, My Little Pony, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, The Simpsons. It's all over the place.

How is this and this characters not inhabiting a background.

I never said that every shot in every cartoon or cartoon-like animation ever is shot in such a way. It's just extremely common. The first clip has a very high number of shots that look like a stageplay or sidescrolling game. The camera is at a 90 degree angle to the set, and the characters are moving directly left and right and up and down relative to the camera. The second clip isn't a cartoon, it's just an animated comedy.

I rather see a character actually move than just stand like a statue most of the time because you know that movement is a major part of animation.

Disney's movement is very different from movement in anime. The gestures, body language, expressions and movements of the characters are exaggerated, fast and restless, almost incapable of coming to stop. The character acting in anime on the other hand is realistic, like a streamlined version of live action cinema. That also means characters can come to a complete stop as they would in cinema. The difference being that anime usually removes small movements like swaying, breathing and minute changes in posture. In anime there is the understanding that while animation is very important (in many ways more important than it was in America), it's not everything. Just like characters moving isn't everything in cinema.

All you're saying here is that you thought Young Justice has a well-written antagonist and Adventure Time has a great setting. That doesn't do anything to counter what I said. What is your point?

wake me up when anime gets the actual BALLS to cleverly use satire like South Park does to reveal problems in Japanese society,culture and politics. Shimoneta mildly does that but it's nothing compared to South Park.

You are now awake. There has also been anime that has attempted serious societal criticism of one sort or another, like Patlabor 2 and Gatchaman Crowds: Insight (and I guess the first season too). South Park's satire isn't even a special feature of the show or American animation, but part of a larger tradition of political satire in America. Likewise, their relative absence in Japan isn't a special feature of manga and anime. Also, if you aren't familiar with Japanese society, politics and events, you don't necessarily notice if something is being satirized or criticized.

In any case, South Park making fun of current events doesn't counter what I said. You are just grasping at straws here, because you can't come to terms with the overwhelming superiority of anime when it comes to variety in genre, subject matter and tone.

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2weeaboo4u said:

We use the term anime because anime is a subset of animation. Cartoons are also a subset of animation, and thus the term cartoon should only be used to describe cartoons, not any and all animation.

Same goes for your stupid example, because motor vehicle categorises every vehicle that has motor; planes, cars, boats, trucks.

That has been my point all along. Motor vehicles include cars and boats, but boats don't include cars. Animation includes anime and cartoons, but cartoons don't include anime.

And for your information smartphones are pocket computers.

Nobody calls them that, and even if they did it would be beside the point. It wouldn't mean you could call a laptop a pocket computer.

You fail to see the only thing that separate these two is their cultural difference, because both are animation and both are culturally used to their respective culture, thus, anime being referred to Japanese animation and cartoon being referred to the Western animation; however, the definition of cartoon is far broader than the anime and that's because anime only refers to Japanese animation style, while a cartoon has multiple meanings, from comic books, to caricature, to animation and to a painting, which makes anime a cartoon.

South Park is anime, not because it doesn't come from Japan, but because it's an animation, but it is also a cartoon because it's an animated moving picture(drawing).
Ghost in the Shell is a cartoon, not because it doesn't come from the West, but because it's an animated moving picture, but it is also an anime, because it uses Japanese animation style.

Heck, even Manga can be called a cartoon under the literal meaning of the word cartoon.
And also, the Japanese use the word anime to refer to all animation.

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You fail to see the only thing that separate these two is their cultural difference, because both are animation and both are culturally used to their respective culture, thus, anime being referred to Japanese animation and cartoon being referred to the Western animation.

The amount of differences between the vast majority of American animation and anime is staggering. There are hardly any similarities between them. Saying that they must be the same because they're both animation is like saying a boat and a car are the same because they're both motor vehicles.

However, the definition of cartoon is far broader than the anime and that's because anime only refers to Japanese animation style, while a cartoon has multiple meanings, from comic books, to caricature, to animation and to a painting, which makes anime a cartoon.

We are only talking about animated cartoons here. And no, anime still aren't cartoons and never will be.

South Park is anime, not because it doesn't come from Japan, but because it's an animation, but it is also a cartoon because it's an animated moving picture(drawing).

South Park is an American show with not even any superficial or substantial similarities to anime. It is not anime.

Ghost in the Shell is a cartoon, not because it doesn't come from the West, but because it's an animated moving picture, but it is also an anime, because it uses Japanese animation style.

Ghost in the Shell is an anime, not a cartoon. It has nothing in common with cartoons.

Heck, even Manga can be called a cartoon under the literal meaning of the word cartoon.

No it cannot.

And also, the Japanese use the word anime to refer to all animation.

We use it to refer to Japanese animation only, and we do that because anime constitutes its own form of animation that's clearly distinct from other forms of animation.

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Oct 3, 2015 9:59 AM

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Hey 2weeaboo4u!

Why? Does it make you upset that your side is getting completely wrecked in this thread? Since you dislike anime so much, aren't you the one who needs to get out? This is an anime forum after all.

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fandoms can usually turn people off something, like people might see the way a lot of anime fans act and be put off it from that. i think it's sad that those people can't develop an opinion on anime without looking at the embarrassing convention crawling weeaboo types..but those people are stuck in their ways so.

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Can't blame them, some of it isn't all that great.

Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

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Bcuz they stupid

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2weeaboo4u said:

Valenthius said:
Hey 2weeaboo4u!

Why? Does it make you upset that your side is getting completely wrecked in this thread? Since you dislike anime so much, aren't you the one who needs to get out? This is an anime forum after all.

I'm actually not upset at all xD i just wanted to use that meme
You're not important enough for to me get upset
I've argued with too many worse people on other forums to be agitated by a pleb like you
As for the thing you said, I didn't take any side...i frankly don't care if people look down on anime...
Take your over-deffensivness somewhere else

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I think MAL actually hates anime more than it likes anime so I think 2weeaboo4u has a small point here.

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The definition of cartoon is a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show

So yes, all anime are cartoons.

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I think MAL actually hates anime more than it likes anime so I think 2weeaboo4u has a small point here.

He does have a lot of points....he's just smug about it, which is annoying

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You're not important enough for to me get upset

Then why did you get upset?

I've argued with too many worse people on other forums to be upset by a pleb like you

I've seen four times as many shows as you. But more importantly, I have something that you and people like you lack: I take anime seriously.

Take your over-deffensivness somewhere else

If you don't want me to respond, then don't talk to me.

Kokko said:
The definition of cartoon is a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show

So yes, all anime are cartoons.

As already explained, cartoons are only one type of animation.

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2weeaboo4u said:

South Park is an American show with not even any superficial or substantial similarities to anime. It is not anime.

Ghost in the Shell is an anime, not a cartoon. It has nothing in common with cartoons.

except being animated lmao

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Could we all just stop arguing with Weaboo and let this thread die with some dignity?

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2weeaboo4u said:

Kokko said:
The definition of cartoon is a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show

So yes, all anime are cartoons.

As already explained, cartoons are only one type of animation.

According to your own definition which you made for no apparent reason other than because you felt like it.

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except being animated lmao

Jaywalking and rape are the same thing, since both of them are against the law.

Voidling said:
According to your own definition which you made for no apparent reason other than because you felt like it.

My definition is based on logical reasoning.

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2weeaboo4u said:
Then why did you get upset?

I didnt xd

2weeaboo4u said:
I've seen four times as many shows as you. But more importantly, I have something that you and people like you lack: I take anime seriously.

It is obvious you have certain complexes...You're taking anime too seriously...Im a casual anime watcher, so of course you've seen 4x as many anime as i have because i have smarter thing to do with my life than watch anime all day.

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If you don't want me to respond, then don't talk to me.

I don't want you to stop responding, i want you to stop being a smug bastard

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Could we all just stop arguing with Weaboo and let this thread die with some dignity?

No dignity here, sorry

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2weeaboo4u said:

ashfrliebert said:
except being animated lmao

Jaywalking and rape are the same thing, since both of them are against the law.

being animated is pretty much what makes both what they are
but sure, if the question is "they are both crimes" than they are both crimes, yes.

they are different crimes, but yeah, still crimes. anime and animated cartoons both fall under the cartoon(read:animated) border, but they are different.

but, when it comes to a some amount of public perception, they view cartoons all the same way anyway(read: like you do) and in the same negative light. so they might as well be the same, tbh.

e: sometimes though, japan culture references can be far too much for an audience completely native to it to comprehend, but a weeb will never understand that.

Thread question was answered days ago, I'll let bygones be bygones

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being animated is pretty much what makes both what they are
but sure, if the question is "they are both crimes" than they are both crimes, yes.

they are different crimes, but yeah, still crimes. anime and animated cartoons both fall under the cartoon(read:animated) border, but they are different.

Anime and cartoons are both animation just like jaywalking and rape are both crimes. "Anime are cartoons" is no different from "jaywalking is rape."

sometimes though, japan culture references can be far too much for an audience completely native to it to comprehend, but a weeb will never understand that.

What does this have to do with anything?

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sometimes though, japan culture references can be far too much for an audience completely native to it to comprehend, but a weeb will never understand that.

What does this have to do with anything?

You just proved his point
Fukin' normi

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You just proved his point

How?

Fukin' normi

What are you talking about?

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Valenthius said:
Fukin' normi

What are you talking about?

I didn't expect you'd understand xD

Normi or Normalfag is a derogatory term used to insult the antithesis of most internet dwellers. Normalfags are typically people who enjoy mainstream things and live typical, ignorant, mundane lives.

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I didn't expect you'd understand xD

Normi or Normalfag is a derogatory term used to insult the antithesis of most internet dwellers. Normalfags are typically people who enjoy mainstream things and live typical, ignorant, mundane lives.

I know what a normie is. I am asking what it has to do with me or this thread.

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I know what a normie is. I am asking what it has to do with me or this thread.

Change your username fgt

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Change your username fgt

Why?

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Milky_way1886 said:
Change your username fgt

Why?

Because it sucks

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Because it sucks

How is your opinion on my user name relevant to anything?

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Milky_way1886 said:
Because it sucks

How is your opinion on my user name relevant to anything?

How is it not?

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How is it not?

So not relevant, then.

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Milky_way1886 said:
How is it not?

So not relevant, then.

wat

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wat

What, you were actually being serious when you said "How is it not"? Do you have an actual mental illness?

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>2normie4u

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wat

What, you were actually being serious when you said "How is it not"? Do you have an actual mental illness?

Why would I have a mental illness? :(

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Milky_way1886 said:
wat

What, you were actually being serious when you said "How is it not"? Do you have an actual mental illness?

Hey now, that's something serious that you shouldn't be joking around with. Maybe you're the mentally ill one for projecting your own insecurities on others...

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>2normie4u

And what exactly makes me a normie?

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Hey now, that's something serious that you shouldn't be joking around with.

I wasn't joking.

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Nice dodge, tsud. Glad to see you haven't changed at all.

You'd be a normalfag for not understanding a single thing the Japanese would as others have suggested earlier. You're done, son.

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Nice dodge, tsud. Glad to see you haven't changed at all.

I didn't dodge anything.

You'd be a normalfag for not understanding a single thing the Japanese would as others have suggested earlier. You're done, son.

What Japanese things have I failed to understand?

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Weeabloo=Normalfag It's that simple

Weeaboos aren't normies, and my username is a joke anyway.

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Valenthius said:
Weeabloo=Normalfag It's that simple

Weeaboos aren't normies, and my username is a joke anyway.

No it's not. My sick weaboo detection skills tells me that you're a genuine weaboo fgt

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Oh face it, you simply made this account as a proxy just in case you needed to feel to troll AD. Either way, with a private list, and an ambition to just bait and insult other users, who does that remind me of? Should you not be tsud, I apologize, but your existence on this site doesn't warrant anything good with a guy of your demeanor. I'm sorry, but I come here to have friendly discourse about anime, not to fight people over the Internet over shitty opinions that have little to no substance in perceptiveness. Also, the fact you just said your username is a joke, that makes me even more suspicious it could be you, tsud.

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Nico- said:
Nice dodge, tsud. Glad to see you haven't changed at all.

I didn't dodge anything.

You'd be a normalfag for not understanding a single thing the Japanese would as others have suggested earlier. You're done, son.

What Japanese things have I failed to understand?

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Weeabloo=Normalfag It's that simple

Weeaboos aren't normies, and my username is a joke anyway.

God, you're worse than the SJW's, even they arent so deffensive.
And you use the same method as the do "Why tackle someone's argument when you can just pick a sentence and take offence at it?"
And stop weaseling!

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Wait wait wait. So 2weeaboo4u = tsud?

I'm confused

Enlighten me please

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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite

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