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| hmm, with Luffy now going to be the reason for a princess who disappears, i bet his bounty will go up regardless of his bounty having reached 400.000.000 already, he'll be seen as more of a threat to citizens than before. So for al the complainers about this chapter, (i thought it was okay, not good, but not bad either) if Luffy keeps being a hero and stuff, his bounty would never ever increase anymore in the future, so stop the complaining already, it wasn't only about rebecca that Oda was thinking, probably about the bounties too. Also, Luffy always does smth at the end of an arc, either stealing smth or 'kidnapping' someone, which helps for his personal reasons, but again, also for his bounty (we all know he loves bounties). oh and somewhere here i read 'Zoro can't beat fuji', well i have to say that none around there would be able to beat an ADMIRAL on his own, however, he's not on his own for starters and secondly, we STILL need to find out just how strong Zoro got (by all means i'm not saying he is strong enough to beat fuji on his own, just to make it clear for all those pessimistic ppl around here) |
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| Everybody knew Luffy was going to do something so the Straw Hats aren't seen as heroes. This chapter had to happen. I was really worried that Scarlet was going to be asked to join the SH crew; thank God Usopp that didn't happen. Nice troll, Oda. |
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| Whew, I thought Rebecca was gonna join Luffy's crew for a second there. Oh damn, Fujitora better come in peace. |
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Mallacy said: What a lame chapter.. The whole thing about Rebecca's drama just to solve it in 1 panel. haha Luffy start being a damn pirate again and not a dude that is helping families with their problems. Brings himself and the others in danger just for that and doesn't even think a minute about his crew that is gone for awhile. lol It was to be solved the entire arc, and it was solved in an entire chapter at the end of it. What are you even reading? He's been helping people since Alabasta if not before that. Thriller Bark too. Luffy always brings himself in danger , it's nothing new. He even showed he wasn't happy with the whole Kyros thing the last chapter. are we all reading the same manga here? Oh no, Oda pls stop wrapping up Dressrosa plotlines! Christ. |
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| One thing I really got curious about in this chapter: What the heck made those marines faint ?? (it was stated that it was NOT haoshoku) |
Thiago_ said: One thing I really got curious about in this chapter: What the heck made those marines faint ?? (it was stated that it was NOT haoshoku) I thought about it too, dwarfs or Fujitora maybe, or a side effect of Mansherry's power... I can't come up with anything else... |
| I'm glad that Gats remained a "Lucy" fanboy in the end, unlike the rest of Dressrosa xD Now that Rebecca is out of the way, all that leaves is that looser Bellamy to not join the crew and i'm one happy camper. |
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| Question why couldn't Rebecca and Kyros live together? |
metsujin said: Question why couldn't Rebecca and Kyros live together? Because of Kyros not immaculate past, poor origin and reputation, if you rember they faked Scarlet's death for similar reasons. He tought it was better to make people believe that Rebecca's father was some kind of random prince and disappear. |
WK-Heisenberg said: metsujin said: Question why couldn't Rebecca and Kyros live together? Because of Kyros not immaculate past, poor origin and reputation, if you rember they faked Scarlet's death for similar reasons. He tought it was better to make people believe that Rebecca's father was some kind of random prince and disappear. But people would still wouldn't mind him since he did help the kingdom... I mean it was for Rebecca's well being? That plan didn't work. |
metsujinAug 20, 2015 11:57 AM
Isterio said: I´m afraid he´s trolling us with Bellamy as Nakama. I just hope he remains a dick and there is no big redemption where he cries over nothing and becomes a SH, just no. I think people are disturbed by Bellamy because he's not your usual chaotic good character that joins Luffy because "I was right but the law was wrong and I ended up a criminal". He's a pirate and a fighter and he's loyal to the death to the people he respects, that's all he's got. He robbed and punched an old pirate? Fought Luffy? Well he is a pirate ...that's normal pirate doing. I can see Luffy taking him in his crew without even asking his opinion and Bellamy being seriously angry about it at first. The interactions between the crewmembers would be different from the usual but maybe more interesting. I don't like him that much so far but I'm confident Oda is able to make him a likeable and useful character |
short_reviewAug 20, 2015 12:18 PM
WK-Heisenberg said: Thiago_ said: One thing I really got curious about in this chapter: What the heck made those marines faint ?? (it was stated that it was NOT haoshoku) I thought about it too, dwarfs or Fujitora maybe, or a side effect of Mansherry's power... I can't come up with anything else... lol, at first i thought it was luffy's conquerors haki too, until they said they didn't faint, then i thought it was fujitora who was using his powers on them. i can see fujitora doing that, as he already went against marine HQ orders earlier. |
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| for a second there. I though Rebecca was going to join the crew. Well I gotta say, I'll miss Kyros but im glad this arc is over. Time for Law's crew!!!!! yay |
Ranoom said: for a second there. I though Rebecca was going to join the crew. Well I gotta say, I'll miss Kyros but im glad this arc is over. Time for Law's crew!!!!! yay Nope. Next chapter is probably going to be Law having a scene with Sengoku |
| The artwork seemed off in this chapter. It looked as if the assistants drew everything. |
| Atleast this wraps up the Rebecca/Kyros thing. Only fujitora could let the marines fall down with letting them faint, but they would notice if it was gravity :( |
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Commentator1 said: Soldier-san can join the crew too. :3Well like i said: "Rebeca's dream is to 'live with soldier-san'", so that's what she's gona do. Not join SH, not become a princess... SteveKeys said: Could be the cleaner or the redrawer of the scanlation team who did the translation for the chapter.The artwork seemed off in this chapter. It looked as if the assistants drew everything. |
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| I think Luffy is going to see off his big bro Sabo. Sabo helps Luffy and crew escape Fujitora. |
WK-Heisenberg said: Isterio said: Can´t you accept it as a necessary evil? I mean we knew this would happen. If you didn´t than sorry you lack the ability to logical conclusions. I hated the Tontattas after a while too. Did I get mad over the chapter where Leo saves Man Chelly and has some fightning action? No because it progressed the plot unlike other Tontatta chapters. You can´t compare this chapter who was decent with the repetetive bullshit of Luffy running from point a to point b the Tontatta yelling shit and Rebecca crying in a corner for the sake of crying in a corner. I preach all the time how Dressrosa is a dissapointing and badly executed arc but getting mad over something that was introduced to happen is just stupid. I actually was more relieved than mad that Oda didn´t went further and made her a Nakama, although I´m afraid he´s trolling us with Bellamy as Nakama. I just hope he remains a dick and there is no big redemption where he cries over nothing and becomes a SH, just no. You can't read, can you? I even wrote it was needed to close the story. People can't read in this forum, this happens every single time. It's needed for the plot but that doesn't mean is good, it's awful, childish and cliché, that's what I'm saying. And of course it was predictable but I don't have to accept it just because of that. Bye. Childish and cliche? Have you been until now not realized that you were reading One Piece al this years. One piece is based on simplistic formulas, it doesn't try to be edgy. It never did. Of course it's cliche and a little childishly presented, but One Piece uses that as an ingredient that made it the bigger shounen ever instead of a disadvantage because it manages to makes this elements work. |
WK-Heisenberg said: You guys are hilarious. Nobody pretends that this kind of moments are not needed to close the circle. But this is a cheap childish honeyed strory, a parody of a ''supposed to be'' touching moment. WK-Heisenberg said: Isterio said: Can´t you accept it as a necessary evil? I mean we knew this would happen. If you didn´t than sorry you lack the ability to logical conclusions. I hated the Tontattas after a while too. Did I get mad over the chapter where Leo saves Man Chelly and has some fightning action? No because it progressed the plot unlike other Tontatta chapters. You can´t compare this chapter who was decent with the repetetive bullshit of Luffy running from point a to point b the Tontatta yelling shit and Rebecca crying in a corner for the sake of crying in a corner. I preach all the time how Dressrosa is a dissapointing and badly executed arc but getting mad over something that was introduced to happen is just stupid. I actually was more relieved than mad that Oda didn´t went further and made her a Nakama, although I´m afraid he´s trolling us with Bellamy as Nakama. I just hope he remains a dick and there is no big redemption where he cries over nothing and becomes a SH, just no. You can't read, can you? I even wrote it was needed to close the story. People can't read in this forum, this happens every single time. It's needed for the plot but that doesn't mean is good, it's awful, childish and cliché, that's what I'm saying. And of course it was predictable but I don't have to accept it just because of that. Bye. Of course, the princess reunites with her father at the end? What else did you expect when you learned of his past? No, it's not cheap, I do think it's too short, but it's not cheap The could've been 18 or 19 pages, but that's pretty much the only issue. You've seen the story built up tension for the past 50 or so chapters The scene is not the problem, it's how it was executed. But no matter how many panels it took it was still going to be a suppose touching story. This whole series is a cliche, it's about execution that matters. This wasn't executed perfectly, but this had to absolutely happen since chapter 742. Cliches are completely necessary, why is it awful? Cliche /=/ awful, stories can apparently hardly ever have complete original thought this day in age. Mostly everything done in the series has been done in many others. One Piece is filled to the brim with cliches, but that's okay. Racist villain? Check twice. Hody & Arlong. Ignorant villain with a giant amount of mooks, showing value in quality over quantity? Check. Don Grief. Sad flashback? Half the characters in the series. Arrogant and spoiled villain? Dolfamingo, check. Crocodile with the first half. One Piece has always and forever been cliched to an extent. But it's been this way for 20 years now. edit: ninja'd |
ashfrliebertAug 20, 2015 8:10 PM
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Isterio said: short_review said: I think people are disturbed by Bellamy because he's not your usual chaotic good character that joins Luffy because "I was right but the law was wrong and I ended up a criminal". He's a pirate and a fighter and he's loyal to the death to the people he respects, that's all he's got. He robbed and punched an old pirate? Fought Luffy? Well he is a pirate ...that's normal pirate doing. I can see Luffy taking him in his crew without even asking his opinion and Bellamy being seriously angry about it at first. The interactions between the crewmembers would be different from the usual but maybe more interesting. I don't like him that much so far but I'm confident Oda is able to make him a likeable and useful character See my issue with the character of Bellamy is how badly he´s written. Oda quite often gives characters goofy personalities for the sake of lulz and I do respect that since we get them introduced for the lulz and they leave us alone. Bellamy was another one of those cliche shounen villains that consider themselves bigshots but get beaten up immediately by the "weak looking" maincast. So the issue with Bellamy is he´s not only a broken man who lost his crew which is already a category brook fills in, but he was a major dick for literally no reason to everyone who he didn´t consider stronger. His ambition for adoring Doflamingo is beyond unjustified and his motives go against nature. See I can understand the concept of a person ignoring their survival instict for the sake of pride or someone else´s safety. Like Zorro Ace or Luffy, however nothing within what we´ve seen in Bellamy´s story indicates that he´s more than a boring evil guy whose boring and evil. With a decently cool devil fruit ability and a mediocore powerlevel. He wanted to die because he had his pride, but there was no indication where his pride stems from. His whole story seems to be build on the motivations of just because. Nico Robin and Nami for comparision started off villanious but their backstories revealed their true natures ambitions and motivations. Bellamy is not only stale in comparision but contradicts the philosophy Oda has set up for the crew. Never harm innocents or weak, of they are no angels but Nami specifically stole from pirates and so on. Oda explains that concept more blatantly in his Romance Dawn oneshot (Read Wanted!) where Luffy explains to Nami (Anne) how Pirates can be put into two categories PeaceMains and Morganers. Morganers pillage rape and murder while Peacemains are pirates that steal from and beat up Morganers.So seeing a bad guy like him join the Strawhats would just be unfitting imo. To me Nami & Robin were never villainous. First off Nami only stole from pirates, so its not like she was hurting the innocent. So even before her story was revealed she wasn't a villain. It a little bit harder to make a case for Robin. However it was obvious from the beginning that she wasn't evil or malicious. which is why she helped the straw hats by giving them that eternal log pose. I mean did you ever actually see her do anything bad. Also the SHC might be nice pirates, but they are still pirates. sure they don't hurt the innocent, and even go so far as to help them. however pirates will be pirates. at the end of the skypiea arc they steal gold from the skypieans. sure if they had waited the skypieans would of given them a hell of alot more gold. but the SHC didnt know that. finally yes Bellamy is a bad guy. however we havent seen him do something so bad that he isnt worth getting a second chance. now thats not to say im in favor of bellamy joining, because trust me im not. however this isnt the last time we will see bellamy. Im hoping by then he has done a little growing up. not saying i want him to be a good guy. more like an anti hero. which he is headed in that direction. in this arc, he didnt seam to be as big of a dick. however he lacks in the morality department. which is what allowed him to look up to doflamingo. so hopefully he turns a corner, and realizes that he was looking up to the wrong people. |
astrozombie84 said: so hopefully he turns a corner, and realizes that he was looking up to the wrong people. well, he already did realise that, didn't he? it was: "I know it already! The fact that I chose the wrong person to look up to...! And how pitful I'm being right now! However... just because I didn't get the answer I wanted, that doesn't mean that I want to do something as shameful as turning my back on the man I decided to respect on my own! Losers still have their own principles to follow!" So it was just his pride and loyalty. Imo, Bellamy has grown up enough already by realising that. Also, i did feel (kind of) the same way about Robin back when we still didn't know her past, just like Zoro didn't trust her at the start. However, then we knew her past and it was all clear then. Did we actually get a flashback at Bellamy's past already to see as of why he respected Mingo so much? (as far as i know we didn't, we only know how he got permission to use the Donquixote's symbol) Also, as we saw there, Bellamy got manipulated like hell by Mingo, i'd give Bellamy a 2nd chance. I'm not saying he had to hurt innocent ppl cuz of Mingo though. However, hurting the Noland admirers to me was somewhat understandable as the elders in his home town used to say 'if you lie that much you'll get executed like Noland'. That only leaves citizens (and pirates, but i don't see pirates vs. pirates as an indication for being a bad person). Did we ever actualy see him hurt a citizen, exept for Noland's descendant? did i forget smth here? sure, he terrified that butler or whatever in that hotel, but he didn't hurt him.. and as stated in the next post, Robin DID hurt citizens, she got a 2nd chance, right? |
HiroyuukiAug 21, 2015 3:26 AM
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Isterio said: Never harm innocents or weak, of they are no angels but Nami specifically stole from pirates and so on. Oda explains that concept more blatantly in his Romance Dawn oneshot (Read Wanted!) where Luffy explains to Nami (Anne) how Pirates can be put into two categories PeaceMains and Morganers. Morganers pillage rape and murder while Peacemains are pirates that steal from and beat up Morganers.So seeing a bad guy like him join the Strawhats would just be unfitting imo. Robin was killing people, though. astrozombie84 said: To me Nami & Robin were never villainous. Robin was portrayed as a villain through the most of arc. astrozombie84 said: It a little bit harder to make a case for Robin. However it was obvious from the beginning that she wasn't evil or malicious. which is why she helped the straw hats by giving them that eternal log pose.. Someone helping the main hero doesn't make them not evil. Teach also helped Zoro and Luffy to raise their morals, after Bellamy let them down. Yet we know how all of this ended. astrozombie84 said: I mean did you ever actually see her do anything bad. She blew up Igaram's ship, clutched Pell thrice, attempted to kill Crocodile, Aokiji said that she killed people who she was working for, she herself said that she was hired as an assassin many times. astrozombie84 said: finally yes Bellamy is a bad guy. however we havent seen him do something so bad that he isnt worth getting a second chance. Bellamy is less evil than Robin, here I can agree. |
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| Am I the only one who thinks that this subplot with Rebecca could've been handled in that chapter after Kyros defeats that guy (forgot his name) who hits his head on Scarlet's grave. |
metsujin said: Am I the only one who thinks that this subplot with Rebecca could've been handled in that chapter after Kyros defeats that guy (forgot his name) who hits his head on Scarlet's grave. ye it would've been better if it was cleared up there, would've had more impact |
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| In fact the main problem of Bellamy is not really that he was a villain. Robin was a villain for a long time. Franky started as a mid villain too. The main problem is that Bellamy is a bit boring so far. So while Bellamy may be ok for Luffy, this decision wouldn't really please the reader who expect the new crewmembers to bring something more ... |
| @short_review I think everyone can become interesting with proper knowing. But that doesn't mean Bellamy can be fit for the crew. Clue one, Previously, I read that the members got to have a talent, of some kind, if he is to join, it would break that pattern. Clue two, just from this discussion, many hated Bellamy (me included). Clue three. He is not developed well, we know little about him, that is why some say he is boring. For a character to be included like that is just asking for a riot. Clue four. I am from the future, so I know. |
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animeBee1ver said: Okay whats Robin's talent? The others all have a talent that is somewhat useful on the ship, what about Robin, and don't get me wrong I like her, but whats her talent?@short_review I think everyone can become interesting with proper knowing. But that doesn't mean Bellamy can be fit for the crew. Clue one, Previously, I read that the members got to have a talent, of some kind, if he is to join, it would break that pattern. Clue two, just from this discussion, many hated Bellamy (me included). Clue three. He is not developed well, we know little about him, that is why some say he is boring. For a character to be included like that is just asking for a riot. Clue four. I am from the future, so I know. EDIT: Well the 'most important' mates that you really need on the ship are Nami, Chopper, Sanji and Franky. |
metsujinAug 21, 2015 4:40 AM
| @Isterio I know Robin's role in the story, and I'm thankful for her, because thanks to her we find out more about the mystery and past of the OP world, since Luffy doesn't care about the past (this little shit). I was asking what's her talent on the ship. How is she useful there, other than helping when they're attacked by the marines, she doesn't do much, like the others, exception being the 4 I mentioned Nami, Chopper, Sanji and Franky. |
Isterio said: Like I said she´s the scientist, nothing Luffy demands but certainly exists on reallife ships as well. metsujin said: I was asking what's her talent on the ship. How is she useful there, other than helping when they're attacked by the marines, she doesn't do much, like the others, exception being the 4 I mentioned Nami, Chopper, Sanji and Franky. |
| in my opinion robin is very important. lets just say i have a theory on what one piece is. Its a theory thats been around for a few years now that if true would actually clarify alot of things. In this theory they wouldnt be able to get one piece without robin. so you can say robin doesn't really have a role on the ship. can't really disagree with you there. however in the grand scheme of things, she is uber important. |
astrozombie84 said: in my opinion robin is very important. lets just say i have a theory on what one piece is. Its a theory thats been around for a few years now that if true would actually clarify alot of things. In this theory they wouldnt be able to get one piece without robin. so you can say robin doesn't really have a role on the ship. can't really disagree with you there. however in the grand scheme of things, she is uber important. I agree with you, again I was adressing the "talent" on the ship. Robin is awesome she and Zoro are my faves tbh. |
metsujin said: I was asking what's her talent on the ship. She just brgings a huge chunk of good thinking since she's the most clever. |
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short_review said: metsujin said: I was asking what's her talent on the ship. She just brgings a huge chunk of good thinking since she's the most clever. Yeah, that doesn't help them that much since Luffy screws everything up xD |
metsujin said: astrozombie84 said: in my opinion robin is very important. lets just say i have a theory on what one piece is. Its a theory thats been around for a few years now that if true would actually clarify alot of things. In this theory they wouldnt be able to get one piece without robin. so you can say robin doesn't really have a role on the ship. can't really disagree with you there. however in the grand scheme of things, she is uber important. I agree with you, again I was adressing the "talent" on the ship. Robin is awesome she and Zoro are my faves tbh. metsujin said: astrozombie84 said: in my opinion robin is very important. lets just say i have a theory on what one piece is. Its a theory thats been around for a few years now that if true would actually clarify alot of things. In this theory they wouldnt be able to get one piece without robin. so you can say robin doesn't really have a role on the ship. can't really disagree with you there. however in the grand scheme of things, she is uber important. I agree with you, again I was adressing the "talent" on the ship. Robin is awesome she and Zoro are my faves tbh. ehh well she is a decent support character. she can take out large groups of cannon fodder. she can do other things to help out her nakama. also she can give all the guys in the crew hand jobs at the same time excluding brook for obvious reasons. I mean what more could you ask for in a nakama. |
| @metsujin Robin ' s talent? Historian,. For the ship? Why do you ask? Does that counter my point? Btw, her knowledge is important to their ship's heading/adventure. She connects dots, of the past, why is that important? Contemplate on the past ep. Sheesh. |
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Isterio said: metsujin said: I agree with you, again I was adressing the "talent" on the ship. Robin is awesome she and Zoro are my faves tbh. Like we said several times her "profession" is scientist,her talent is knowledge. To a certain extent she´s a plot device to drive the story forward. Why are you asking the same questions over and over? Ussop ,Luffy, Zorro ,Brook and Sanji are as unnecessary on a Pirate ship as Robin is. Brooks job is to entertain (they entertained themselves before), Luffys job is to be thoughtgul (which he never is) Zorros jop is to fight (replaceable), Sanjis job is to cook (Nami was cooking before). Ussops job is to hit targets (which other member can do too). The only members that are necessary for survival on a ship are Nami and chopper, everything else is comfort. Ofc individually in this specific story all of them were necessary at some point for the survival of the crew, however since you wanna be critic about it none of them is really needed in a general scenario. Besides the captain the navigator and the doctor. They could fill a ship with peasants that fullfill everything else as secondary roles. You really missed my point, I was basically referring that ANYONE can join the crew and his position on the crew wouldn't matter. So Bellamy can join even tho he doesn't have any special features. Now short_review made it pretty clear why Bellamy's character wouldn't fit, his character wouldn't fit with the straw hats. I was just referring to the position, that's all. And I know they're all important to the overall story, Usopp wants to become a brave warrior, he will also confront his father, and his father is on Shanks's ship, so there's the connection, Nami needs to create the world map, she'd be the first to do it, Sanji wants all blue (a nice theory was made long ago, that would fit this), Chopper wants to become the best doctor, and needs to keep Luffy alive to carry on the story, Robin explains us the readers the stuff that are unanswered that are needed for the story, Franky well they're traveling on his boat, plus they need a boat and his the man for the job, Zoro has to become the best swordsman (this to me seems the one dream that's not exactly 'connected' to the others in some way or another), Brook if the theory of how Sanji will see all blue, it'll help Brook's dream too. Again I say it again, I'm just talking about the things they do on the ship, because he mentioned you need to have some sort of talent in order to be on Luffy's crew, which is not true, YOUR PURPOSE NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT CONNECTED TO THE OVERALL PLOT OF THE SERIES OR THE MAIN CHARACTER. |
metsujinAug 21, 2015 6:20 AM
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