M3lkor said: Tachii said: Actually, extreme religious beliefs are everywhere. It's just that in US, it's seemingly more popular with the encouraged freedom of speech thing, the large population, and the variety of cultures and races that belongs there. Allows every genius and idiots alike to say all kind of shit in the media. Eventually, it allows all sorts of people to believe some random shit that was depicted in the media. A chain so to speak. There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech, as the first doesn't support the latter. A country which doesn't realise that (it even hasn't got the power over the media to change that) fails. That's not coherent whatsoever. The first DOES support the ladder, and the U.S. has long recognized that fact (see Yates v. United States, Brandenburg v. Ohio) |
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Bubbler said: saitoe said: No, hate speech is often excluded from the umbrella of freedom of expression, and this is the case when it comes to America. Hate crimes (which include hate speech) is a punishable offense. That's bullshit. The law is there, but it's largely unenforced. You think Kramer's going to get arrested anytime soon? I could march out into the street and start screaming "FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS" at the top of my lungs, and all I'd get is an ass whooping, and maybe a citation for disturbing the peace. There's laws against it, but if the government started actively enforcing those laws there'd be massive public backlash. Mostly, they're just laws that were enacted 50-200 years ago, when people weren't so keen on negroes having freedom, and they were just kind of left there. whether or not a law is enforced has no relation to whether or not it exists. don't put words into my mouth here- all i said was that hate speech is a punishable offense |
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Saitoe said: Bubbler said: saitoe said: No, hate speech is often excluded from the umbrella of freedom of expression, and this is the case when it comes to America. Hate crimes (which include hate speech) is a punishable offense. That's bullshit. The law is there, but it's largely unenforced. You think Kramer's going to get arrested anytime soon? I could march out into the street and start screaming "FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS" at the top of my lungs, and all I'd get is an ass whooping, and maybe a citation for disturbing the peace. There's laws against it, but if the government started actively enforcing those laws there'd be massive public backlash. Mostly, they're just laws that were enacted 50-200 years ago, when people weren't so keen on negroes having freedom, and they were just kind of left there. whether or not a law is enforced has no relation to whether or not it exists. don't put words into my mouth here- all i said was that hate speech is a punishable offense Yeah, so is jay walking but nobody gives a shit. Sure, hate speech is a punishable offense, but it's really only if you're trying to nail some guy down you really hate. It's like every law on this site http://www.dumblaws.com/. Sure, the laws are there. But most people don't know of them, most police officers wouldn't believe you if you told them, and any jury would find the defendant innocent, and no judge would allow you in the court. |
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| @orbitzz If hope you don't try to suggest we are wrong for your current mistakes. Or that countries who bashed before but now don't are equal to countries that do it right now. Tachii said: Something the US lacks, sure. But it really isn't such a bad thing. With a bit too many limitations, people will begin whining about it. And it isn't like the US doesn't have any. Just not that forced like some countries. Arguably it's better, or worse, depending on your experience. Spare me of dismay and try googling or using your logic. |
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Bubbler said: I do you stupid fuck. It's against the law BITCHSaitoe said: Bubbler said: saitoe said: No, hate speech is often excluded from the umbrella of freedom of expression, and this is the case when it comes to America. Hate crimes (which include hate speech) is a punishable offense. That's bullshit. The law is there, but it's largely unenforced. You think Kramer's going to get arrested anytime soon? I could march out into the street and start screaming "FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS" at the top of my lungs, and all I'd get is an ass whooping, and maybe a citation for disturbing the peace. There's laws against it, but if the government started actively enforcing those laws there'd be massive public backlash. Mostly, they're just laws that were enacted 50-200 years ago, when people weren't so keen on negroes having freedom, and they were just kind of left there. whether or not a law is enforced has no relation to whether or not it exists. don't put words into my mouth here- all i said was that hate speech is a punishable offense Yeah, so is jay walking but nobody gives a shit. Sure, hate speech is a punishable offense, but it's really only if you're trying to nail some guy down you really hate. It's like every law on this site http://www.dumblaws.com/. Sure, the laws are there. But most people don't know of them, most police officers wouldn't believe you if you told them, and any jury would find the defendant innocent, and no judge would allow you in the court. |
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M3lkor said: @orbitzz If hope you don't try to suggest we are wrong for your current mistakes. Or that countries who bashed before but now don't are equal to countries that do it right now. Tachii said: Something the US lacks, sure. But it really isn't such a bad thing. With a bit too many limitations, people will begin whining about it. And it isn't like the US doesn't have any. Just not that forced like some countries. Arguably it's better, or worse, depending on your experience. Spare me of dismay and try googling or using your logic. Seriously dude, how old are you? Each post you make leads me to believe you're 15, and your favorite band is Crystal Castles. |
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Sin said: M3lkor said: Tachii said: Actually, extreme religious beliefs are everywhere. It's just that in US, it's seemingly more popular with the encouraged freedom of speech thing, the large population, and the variety of cultures and races that belongs there. Allows every genius and idiots alike to say all kind of shit in the media. Eventually, it allows all sorts of people to believe some random shit that was depicted in the media. A chain so to speak. There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech, as the first doesn't support the latter. A country which doesn't realise that (it even hasn't got the power over the media to change that) fails. That's not coherent whatsoever. The first DOES support the ladder, and the U.S. has long recognized that fact (see Yates v. United States, Brandenburg v. Ohio) And THAT is the problem. You can now differentiate the normal from the USA laws. |
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M3lkor said: @Cian8900 Sorry If I offended you. Bad experience with American stupidity has taught me too loose sensitivity on that matter. I will be more cautious from now on. Also, I made a mistake. I probably should have said that the Americans bash Atheist, not America. Too much brainstorming. You can google all my examples. If you then want additional ones, you will be supplied with them. Thanks, sorry you ran into a stupid/ignorant American. I'll say to please not let the disturbing/ignorant "influential" people and their dumb followers get to you so much. They bother both you and me and trust me when I say (as i do live in the U.S.) that it's a big big country. We aren't all like that ^.^, lol. Ex:Palin. (Pro Palin people beware. I'd rather not argue about her and just let time run it's course.) That's as far as I'll go, as i said before I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion. |
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Bubbler said: M3lkor said: @orbitzz If hope you don't try to suggest we are wrong for your current mistakes. Or that countries who bashed before but now don't are equal to countries that do it right now. Tachii said: Something the US lacks, sure. But it really isn't such a bad thing. With a bit too many limitations, people will begin whining about it. And it isn't like the US doesn't have any. Just not that forced like some countries. Arguably it's better, or worse, depending on your experience. Spare me of dismay and try googling or using your logic. Seriously dude, how old are you? Each post you make leads me to believe you're 15, and your favorite band is Crystal Castles. Thanks for the constructive post again. You can check my age at my profile. |
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M3lkor said: And THAT is the problem. You can now differentiate the normal from the USA laws. I honestly can't decipher what this sentence is trying to say, let alone what the problem is. Elaborate and clarify. |
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M3lkor said: What is there to google about limitations to freedom of speech? Yes it exists, and yes the US hardly enforces it if someone happens to breech it. If you expected something else my logic couldn't comprehend, again feel free to elaborate.Tachii said: Something the US lacks, sure. But it really isn't such a bad thing. With a bit too many limitations, people will begin whining about it. And it isn't like the US doesn't have any. Just not that forced like some countries. Arguably it's better, or worse, depending on your experience. Spare me of dismay and try googling or using your logic. |
the_prime_one said: Cian8900 said: (Pro Palin people beware. I'd rather not argue about her and just let time run it's course.) There's actually people who support Palin? Good lord. She had pretty damn high approval ratings as governor of Alaska before she resigned. |
M3lkor said: Thanks for the constructive post again. You can check my age at my profile. Naturally, I don't give two shits what age you are. You want constructive criticism? Look elsewhere, I do not tolerate the intolerant.Yes, I understand the irony. It was intentional, dumbshit. m3lkor said: And THAT is the problem. You can now differentiate the normal from the USA laws. So you're pissed that the state has recognized freedom of hateful speech? Or are you just pissed that you were wrong? |
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M3lkor said: Seriously dude, gtfo. You don't watch any anime. You're clearly here to just post and be a fucktard, or you were banned before because you were being a fucktard, but came back because you felt being a fucktard was a good thing.Bubbler said: M3lkor said: @orbitzz If hope you don't try to suggest we are wrong for your current mistakes. Or that countries who bashed before but now don't are equal to countries that do it right now. Tachii said: Something the US lacks, sure. But it really isn't such a bad thing. With a bit too many limitations, people will begin whining about it. And it isn't like the US doesn't have any. Just not that forced like some countries. Arguably it's better, or worse, depending on your experience. Spare me of dismay and try googling or using your logic. Seriously dude, how old are you? Each post you make leads me to believe you're 15, and your favorite band is Crystal Castles. Thanks for the constructive post again. You can check my age at my profile. |
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So you're pissed that the state has recognized freedom of hateful speech? You are a genius. |
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HarryTram said: Seriously dude, gtfo. You don't watch any anime. You're clearly here to just post and be a fucktard, or you were banned before because you were being a fucktard, but came back because you felt being a fucktard was a good thing. I watch anime. My anime / manga list is empty because I don't care about filling it up. |
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Tachii said: Completely necessary . I refuse to take a guy serious if chances are he is just here to fuck with us.@ Harry: lol dude, no need to throw ad hominems. |
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M3lkor said: Lies and slander. gtfoHarryTram said: Seriously dude, gtfo. You don't watch any anime. You're clearly here to just post and be a fucktard, or you were banned before because you were being a fucktard, but came back because you felt being a fucktard was a good thing. I watch anime. My anime / manga list is empty because I don't care about filling it up. |
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| Wow, in the time I write and proof read a post this thread gets nasty x.x Let's seriously tone it down a bit. (Note: Those who respond to M3lkor with insults are not justified just because he said one initially in a clearly more emotionally driven response. And I'd say they are the ones that are acting like 15 year olds.) Maybe I'm the only who's fan a trying to complete a debate/stance in 1 to 2 large post, versus many smaller post that tend to allow the argument to get drawn off on tangents. But that's just my preference. _____________________________________________________________________ What's wrong with Crystal Castles >.< lol. The 8-bit/new-rave genre can be fun ^.^ |
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| So, me filling my anime / manga list up will prove I'm not a troll? Interesting logic. |
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M3lkor said: Yeah it is. You haven't been on this site for long, so you don't know how many trolls we have that refuse to stay banned.So, me filling my anime / manga list up will prove I'm not a troll? Interesting logic. |
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| So a troll can't fill the anime / manga list? |
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M3lkor said: They rarely do, but thats besides the point.So a troll can't fill the anime / manga list? |
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| Also M3lkor I'm getting those troll vibes again man. Maybe you should put more in your post so as to be clearer in your statements. [ '_' ] <- (It's boxy face ^.^) Again, lets chill some. You too HarryTram >.> |
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M3lkor said: Yeah anyways back on topic. I don't see why you see America as such a bad place. People around the country flood to immigrate to America in an attempt at a better life. Most of the time they achieve that. We wouldn't be named the land of opportunity if we really were that bad.Why? I like watching anime, not keeping track of it. |
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| @M3lkor Not saying you are, just saying if we are really debating anything (which we aren't right now like this thread is for) it would help me least if you included more in your post. I found your debate difficult to follow and some post hard to understand. I'd appreciate it, just trying to give constructive criticism man : ] |
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M3lkor said: So you're pissed that the state has recognized freedom of hateful speech? You are a genius. Now, to be fair I'm assuming you are legally retarded, so the conclusions i'm pulling from your meat salad sentence might not be very accurate. |
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| HarryTram, honestly the way this topic is worded just doesn't allow for any good conversation. You should've made it instead something like "How do you feel about America?", as the title implies (whether you meant this or not) that the default opinion is that America sucks. Making a topic like this, especially with this title, is like politely asking it to be trolled. |
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Yeah anyways back on topic. I don't see why you see America as such a bad place. People around the country flood to immigrate to America in an attempt at a better life. Most of the time they achieve that. We wouldn't be named the land of opportunity if we really were that bad. I already told why I think it's a bad place. I don't think I need to elaborate more or even add stuff I hate (like I already don't have enough Americans on my neck). But I don't consider it a bad place only. I like a lot more about America than you think. A title doesn't mean anything, as it doesn't wash away all the bad things. I got a Dr. title, but you can clearly see I'm an asshole. |
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Sin said: holy shit. Like seriously, you are the smartest one here. Congrats. No sarcasm intended.HarryTram, honestly the way this topic is worded just doesn't allow for any good conversation. You should've made it instead something like "How do you feel about America?", as the title implies (whether you meant this or not) that the default opinion is that America sucks. Making a topic like this, especially with this title, is like politely asking it to be trolled. |
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M3lkor said: I already told why I think it's a bad place. I don't think I need to elaborate more or even add stuff I hate (like I already don't have enough Americans on my neck). But I don't consider it a bad place only. I like a lot more about America than you think. A title doesn't mean anything, as it doesn't wash away all the bad things. I got a Dr. title, but you can clearly see I'm an asshole. Apparently you haven't studied anything concerning advertising if you think a title doesn't affect the way people view a subject. And I very much believe that very little of what you said has any legitimate backing. |
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M3lkor said: Yeah anyways back on topic. I don't see why you see America as such a bad place. People around the country flood to immigrate to America in an attempt at a better life. Most of the time they achieve that. We wouldn't be named the land of opportunity if we really were that bad. I already told why I think it's a bad place. I don't think I need to elaborate more or even add stuff I hate (like I already don't have enough Americans on my neck). But I don't consider it a bad place only. I like a lot more about America than you think. A title doesn't mean anything, as it doesn't wash away all the bad things. I got a Dr. title, but you can clearly see I'm an asshole. There's a different between asshole and douchebag, and clearly you haven't deciphered it. |
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HarryTram said: Sin said: holy shit. Like seriously, you are the smartest one here. Congrats. No sarcasm intended.HarryTram, honestly the way this topic is worded just doesn't allow for any good conversation. You should've made it instead something like "How do you feel about America?", as the title implies (whether you meant this or not) that the default opinion is that America sucks. Making a topic like this, especially with this title, is like politely asking it to be trolled. LMAO, so true! >.< Thumbs up Sin (^.^)b |
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Sin said: Apparently you haven't studied anything concerning advertising if you think a title doesn't affect the way people view a subject. And I very much believe that very little of what you said has any legitimate backing. I meant "nothing" in terms of the discussion. Your reply is off the point. How the title of America affects people doesn't make Americas bad things go good. Concerning the latter, do as you wish. |
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M3lkor said: I meant "nothing" in terms of the discussion. Your reply is off the point. How the title of America affects people doesn't make Americas bad things go good. Concerning the latter, do as you wish. Quite apparently you didn't understand what I was saying. Oh well, even if I tried to clarify it to you, it's not like you'd have anything insightful or poignant to say anyway. |
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| I would like to say ontopic now, that's all. Thanks for the encouragement. Very American of you. |
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M3lkor said: I would like to say ontopic now, that's all. Thanks for the encouragement. Very American of you. You're a fucking idiot. < - Very American insult. |
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Kira said: TEAM AMERICA! FUCK YEAHM3lkor said: I would like to say ontopic now, that's all. Thanks for the encouragement. Very American of you. You're a fucking idiot. < - Very American insult. |
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| Only read the opening post because reading over 400 posts would take too long. A lot of English have the conception of yanks being god obsessed. The "god bless America" and all that crap, people over here find it a joke. Other reasons in which people may think it sucks is because of the culture and the generalised stereotypical attitudes that people perceive of the occupants. The diets are really bad, introduction of fast food and the whole idea of 3 meals a day is pretty crap. The idea of people sueing companies over nothing, the obsession with celebrities and money. Some films give the impression that the world revolves around America and they won the Wars by themselves. etc etc. Personally the only thing I actually think that sucks about America is they always make the Indians out to be the bad guys in the old Westerns when it was actually the cowboys. |
Sun_Shine said: Only read the opening post because reading over 400 posts would take too long. A lot of English have the conception of yanks being god obsessed. The "god bless America" and all that crap, people over here find it a joke. That's because a lot of "them Yanks" end up looking like hypocrites. Myself included. |
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Frequencity said: yeah America is just too big, I'd say I probably loathe 99% of the people in America and love 1%. That 1% is a pretty large chunk of people tho. a lot of what has been said has been sweeping statements, but swear a majority of American's make me wanna rage quit life. Pretty arrogant, saying only 1% of Americans are decent while the other 99% are crap.Do you know all 100% of Americans, that you can justify saying something like that? The US has its problems, just like every other country. It has both its good and bad points. There are a lot of things I don't like about the US, but knowing the people I know here I can't say I hate the US because it would mean hating all those people too. |
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feder said: Frequencity said: yeah America is just too big, I'd say I probably loathe 99% of the people in America and love 1%. That 1% is a pretty large chunk of people tho. a lot of what has been said has been sweeping statements, but swear a majority of American's make me wanna rage quit life. Pretty arrogant, saying only 1% of Americans are decent while the other 99% are crap.Do you know all 100% of Americans, that you can justify saying something like that? I think... he only speaks about his friends. XD Then again... being friends with 1% of America... that's still a lot. |
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