Rokka no Yuusha Episode 6 Discussion

fredchickens said:


Thank goodness I'm not the only one who realizes that, man they could have trail Adlet easily on with Hans on their group who is an expert at assassination.

L-Ryoshi said:

You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple.
I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air?

If you knew how the barrier was activated, and your main objective was to activate the barrier to trap all "7" Rokkas in the barrier to create a situation for them to kill each other, then would you just leave things to a chance mist that just so happened to be in the air? Considering that Adlet was with Nashetania for most of the time previously, and Goldov found her during the exact fight that Adlet ran away from, then when would she have any time to conspire with the Fiends (if she really is the 7th) to perform such an intricate plan?

Also, consider this logically, Nashetania's ability is to create multiple blades from her original, how in the world would that create a mist?
Same as for Goldov.
In fact, the only person I would expect to have the resources to use science to do anything at this moment (as he has done so previously with his bag of tricks) is Adlet.

belial said:


That was exactly how we started to guess it, I even assumed they were 7 and that flamie didn't count.

There was not enough time for someone to get in, activate it and get out, as Adlet turned after the fiend was running and the fog started. There was no one hiding there and the explanation that Adlet was the one unsealing the temple seems logical (though he didn't use the key).

Assuming what you said happened, of the 7 only Chamot doesn't have an Alibi or you have to assume a 8th person did it (human). It would be wise to have no 7th person if this was the plan, so it doesn't make sense. It would have to be a Saint with powers that we do not know to pull this off, so if this was the case Maura is the fake, as she knows every Saint and said it was impossible.

PS - Also now that I saw that clue on the OP, I can't disregard it

L-Ryoshi said:


You seem pretty hell-bent on your theory that someone activated the barrier AFTER everyone arrived at the temple.
I'm curious... Why is it that you think your theory more plausible than the theory of someone sneaking into the temple during the period during which the guards came out to attack Adlet, Adlet watching the Fiend transform and escape, and then realizing that the fog was already in the air?

GSupernova said:


Well, the easiest answer to give is it's more likely because it makes for a better reveal and prevents the master plan from being so easily foiled(for example, if Adlet ever turned around during his fight with the guards while they were slipping into the temple, the whole plan would have failed).

GSupernova said:


Nashetania isn't actually in power. It wasn't overt, but her kingdom seems to have a puppet monarchy similar to Great Britain, that guy who threw Adlet in prison at the start is the real ruler.



"A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. [bThese include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.[/b]"

So while you aren't wrong, you aren't right either.

And the problem I have with your explanation and others is that you are using evidence that is contradicted by other evidence being used to explain other problems with the escape. For example, the logic behind 'You're gonna anybody in that if you can barely see your feet at that time' is contradicted by the fact that Adlet ran at full speed(beyond human speeds) through a supposedly dense and fog-covered forest, while seriously injured and carrying an adult sized woman over his shoulder without being impeded at all by the very same conditions. This why I feel this detail is such an issue with the plot here - it causes a great deal of inconsistencies that basically have to be ignored to continue forward.

Jagd84 said:
Nashetania isn't actually in power. It wasn't overt, but her kingdom seems to have a puppet monarchy similar to Great Britain, that guy who threw Adlet in prison at the start is the real ruler

L-Ryoshi said:

Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously?

L-Ryoshi said:

Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill?

If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier. Note that Adlet first took out the two guards, turned around to watch the Fiend Transform and run away, and he even went and chased after it a bit before the fog started to set in.
If there was a delay in the fog, then for sure there would have been enough time for someone to go into the passage, activate the barrier and run out of there without Adlet noticing.

And yes, I'm leaning towards Chamo at this moment because she was the only one besides Adlet who is unaccounted for by any of the others.

L-Ryoshi said:

By the way, which clue are you referring to from the OP? Mind sharing?

belial said:
At first I was assuming there were actually 7 Braves, as Flamie was half-human, half-kyouma, she wouldn't count. Then I read all this thread, the ep didn't get me convinced about an 8th person existing but that talking about Riura made some sense.

Anyway, I was doubting Maura and the Bunny Girl (for a lot of reasons already stated ITT). So I decided to rewatch all openings and endings and found this:



http://picpaste.com/Belial.Rokka_no_Yuusha_-_05-iCYuAP00.jpg

Maura tells us that if a brave dies, a petal disapears, so each petal is assigned to a brave, and they disapear if they die. So if the petals are colored.. =p
Assuming I didn't fail guessing their colors:

Red - Adlet
Dark Blue - Maura
Light Blue - Flamie
Dark Green - Goldov
Light Green - Chamo
Yellow - Hans

Missng: Bunny Girl (Nashetania)

I rewatched the eps and went teorycrafting, but I still found no way for the bunny girl to activate the fog even assuming Riura activating a fake fog, as someone said in here. That panic mode is the key imo, assuming the fog can be activated without saying the words, or her placing the word (as she can control blades and then finishing the ritual on the panic mode (touching the tablet)).
But the bunny girl seems like the obvious target, though I have no idea how or what's her motives.

Edit: Typos

L-Ryoshi said:

Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already.

L-Ryoshi said:

PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;)

L-Ryoshi said:
Ah, but seeing as none of us really know how the barrier ties in with the fog, can you be absolutely sure that once the barrier comes into play, that the fog will immediately set in instantaneously?

L-Ryoshi said:
Considering that they are in a forest, wouldn't it be more logical that the fog only gradually built up after the barrier went up?

L-Ryoshi said:
Also, given that the Saints and other Rokkas have amazing abilities, Would it not be possible that one or more members present have skills that prevent Adlet from detecting them? Hans as an assassin and Fremy as a Rokka-Killer must have some sort of skill like that. What's to say that one or two of the others don't also have such a skill?

L-Ryoshi said:
If that were the case, then there is always the possibility that the moment Adlet released the guards, someone who was watching them fight immediately snuck in and activated the barrier.

L-Ryoshi said:


Ah, but the fight with the guards lasted little more than a few seconds. What was distracting Adlet for most of the period was the woman turning into a Fiend and running off. Also, as I mentioned, Fremy and Hans should have skills to stealthy remove themselves from others should they need to. What's to say that someone like Chamo can make a camouflage of mud or whatever to hide herself when she sneaks into the temple?

Also, wouldn't it be much easier to catch someone when they performed the ritual if everyone is present? Considering at least one or more of the other Rokkas should know how to activate the barrier, if Mora and Hans had arrived before Goldov, Nashetania and Fremy had, then wouldn't the culprit be found out exactly WHEN they activate it? I highly doubt that it was certain that Fremy's party would arrive immediately after Adlet, unless Hans and Mora had been stuck in a trap somewhere else... It was just a lucky coincidence that they weren't present when Adlet and the others were messing with the alter.

Also, I recall Fremy running in asking why the barrier had been activated already. this was before Goldov and Nashetania had climbed up the altar. If the barrier hadn't been activated at that time, then why would they be so convinced? Wouldn't they first do what Aldet and Hans did in the previous episode and try to reach the edge of the barrier first to ascertain whether it was really activated?

I'm not saying your theory is necessarily wrong, but I'm not discounting any possibilities at this moment.

PS: Considering how intricate your hypothesis is right now, wouldn't it be even more of a surprise reveal if they went with the "sneak in" theory in the end, since people are now discounting it? ;)

darboux said:
Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^.

Sokah said:
If you apply your brain to this you're doing it wrong.

belial said:


It was regarded as impossible by Hans and Maura, unless you are considering one of them is the fake and the other a traitor. But if this was the case, Maura would have let Chamot kill everyone already

L-Ryoshi said:



For fairness sake, I went back and watched the last three episodes just to make sure of things.

First off, we are in agreement that the fog was gradual. However, Adlet spent a bit of time between when the Fiend fled, and when he turned back to the temple. It wasn't an immediate "see the fog, run back to the temple". There is a time gap right there and we don't know how long it was exactly that he was lost in thought. We were shown a mere seconds, but it could have been longer than that. You can't actually make an assumption on this.

Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no?
To this I would also add that she knows nothing about the abilities of the men either.
Also, from what I've watched, we don't even know what Chamo's skill is yet, we don't know whether it is long ranged or short ranged, or an area effect. Mora stopped Chamo from killing Adlet when he was trying to flee because Fremy on his shoulder would also be killed. For all we know, Chamo's skill could be similar to Nashetanias (i.e. she doesn't have to be next to the fiend to kill it).

Also, going back on the two episodes, the one who admitted to not knowing anything about the barrier was Hans. Mora said she heard it from the Soldier, and Chamo then mentioned that she also knew what Mora knew. If what she said were true, then she DID know how to activate the barrier. What Hans knows explicitly are the doors that the Saint of Salt has set up before, and not the barrier.

Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from?

Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know?


Lastly, and most importantly, NO MENTION was made regarding my "sneaking in" theory actually. What Adlet had been insisting on from the get-go, was that someone had snuck into the temple before he arrived, and had activated the barrier immediately BEFORE he blew open the door.

His insistence was that the barrier had already been activated BEFORE he even opened up the door, NOT when he walked in. Even in his own defense, he was saying how someone had dug a hole into the temple and activated the barrier when he blasted the door, and had then escaped when he wasn't looking. What Hans and Mora regarded as impossible was Adlet's theory that the door had been replaced/resealed after the barrier had been activated BEFORE Adlet blew the door open.

I actually found this part strange, because when he was recounting the tale, (unless the subs were wrong), he didn't even mention about the period between when he blasted the door and when he walked into the temple. None of the others knew how much time had passed between when he blasted the door open and when he actually walked in, to the rest of them listening to his tale, there must have been little time lag.

Thus, nothing that has been shown in the anime has yet denounced my suspicion that Chamo may yet be the culprit.

@Sokah: They are gradually providing more information with every episode they broadcast. To say that we can only work with the information provided is correct, but to speculate in advance about additional information provided in later episodes shouldn't be wrong either.

Also, I'm not making wild assumptions here. I base most of my theories and observations from the anime. We haven't seen the extent of Chamo or Hans or Goldov's abilities, or even Mora's.

No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player in the field until Adlet explicitly mentioned it during this episode. So whats to say that, unless you know because you've read the LN, they have abilities that the anime hasn't shown to us yet? Like a stealth ability?

In addition, even if Adlet mentioned about an 8th, there's still no proof that there IS one, and even he could be wrong about it. He's speculating himself because he cannot figure out any way his own theories can prove his own innocence. There is no PROOF that there is an 8th.

L-Ryoshi said:
Second, just because Mora knows all the saints and says that she knows all their abilities, that does not mean that she knows everything about the saints, including skills that are outside of their "Saint" ability. I mean, if the culprit does happen to be a Saint, that would pretty much prove my point, no?

L-Ryoshi said:
Third point, I have no idea where you are matching colors to, so I don't really understand how you can even pair them up per person. From the picture you posted, I only see the colors for 5 of the petals, and one of those 5 is a shining light. I'm sure the colors have a significance, but I don't know from where are you pairing the colors with, so unfortunately, I'm just left confused. Also, you are "Guessing" those colors, may I ask where you guessed them from?

L-Ryoshi said:
Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated

L-Ryoshi said:
No one even bothered to speculate about an 8th player

Gov said:
Thank you everyone and their grandmother for spoiling who the seventh is. Nice job as always MAL.

Sokah said:


Lots of way better plans here.

Jagd84 said:
So let the other Six do the job for him/her.

darboux said:

The only reason i find this theory kinda ''stupid'' even if it makes sense is :
1)Nashetania could have killed adlet when he was in prison without anyone finding out he was a brave.That means she could have blended with the braves without anyone suspecting her.
2) She could have killed Goldof easily by seducing him.Drop his pants down and stab him in the back while they do the deed ^^.
3)She could have framed the gun girl and make the other braves kill her.If it wasnt for adlet flammie herself would have fought them the moment she encountered them.....
Thats like 3 braves dead,and Nashetania wouldnt be suspected.So it would be demon king vs 3 braves that dont know nashetania would backstab them during their fight ......Sounds way better plan and safer than conspiring the whole temple thing^^.

darboux said:


1)Well at the ep he was seen to be in thought for few secs.Maybe the director made it that way to fool us?seems kinda lame to me.
We were shown it to be seconds so it would be an assumption to think it was not.Not the other way around i think^^.
2) If someone of the braves had some sort of stealth ability.....honest it could be.But dunno to me would be kinda lame.Also it would be impossible to actually catch the culprit.Considering the only thing he would have to do is hide his stealth ability.
3) Adlet Knew this from the guy at ep 3 : ''Place dagger in the hole and say the stuff,then fog rises and the barrier is activated'' ,So ofc when he saw the fog and entered the temple and saw the dagger in the hole thought for sure the barrier was activated.Its logical.
4)If the barrier was activated BEFORE he blasted the door,that means the mist would be up before he reach the temple or walk in.That means people would take note of it and adlet wouldnt be considered a suspect.
Or even if the timing was perfect with the mist so others would suspect adlet,if someone enters the temple without using the key that means the guards would attack him and have his name!!!So that way only one possible is Mora which she is the only with the key.So Mora would have needed to be inside the temple waiting the right moment to activate the barrier to match the timing so adlet would be a suspect and then walk out the temple while he was fighting the guards etc....she could only do this again if she had stealth ability really.
The sneak in theory anyway relies on : '' Some one has stealth ability'' , ''The director made it seem like it was few seconds when it was actually much more''.Without these it no work^^.

And it cannot be chamo for sure.Why?
1)The 7th is a ''fake'' brave meaning he was not chosen by the goddess.Chamo despite her age is experienced fighter and considered the STRONGEST saint ever i think(or in her generation) the chances of her actually being fake and not chosen are 0 imo.
2) we would have to assume that she had stealth ability.And this ability was hidden since she was little.Mora knew her since she was a child the chances of having of such an ability and keeping it a secret are close to 0.Unless Mora was an accomplish.But then why go through all that trouble?Chamo and Mora could have surprised the braves when adlet escaped and killed them boom job done^^.

beast_regards said:
When you think about it, there is no way to activate the barrier if
- soldier told Adlet the truth about the mechanism
- Mora isn't lying
- what we saw so far is true (e.g. we probably saw what Adlet saw)

L-Ryoshi said:


Hrm... the first two points, your excuse is lameness, which isn't a logical argument. It's just your own opinion. Hence, that's not a refuting of my points, now are they?

Third point: Basically Adlet heard from the Soldier and because the dagger was on the altar and there was fog, he immediately assumed that the barrier was up, and hence neither he nor anyone else thought to check for certain...?
So basically all the Rokkas were just assuming that the barrier was up because there was fog, and no one thought to check for sure that it was up until much, much later...? I see your point, but that still doesn't prove anything to refute that the barrier wasn't already up by the time Adlet reached the altar.

Fourth point: Did we not agree that the fog was a gradual phenomenon and not an instant one? The fog only started appearing the moment the Fiend ran off, before that it was sunny as heck. Now if that were the case, then regardless of instant or gradual, that would imply that the barrier was already up in the moments after Adlet watched the Fiend run off, no? Ergo, wouldn't it mean that the barrier had been activated BEFORE he entered the temple? Even if it wasn't before he entered the temple, it still doesn't refute the possibility of someone sneaking in and activating it, and sneaking out before Adlet turned and headed back to the temple.

As for it not being Chamo:
1.) Sure she could have probably been chosen as one of the 6 true Rokkas, but having a 7th doesn't immediately imply that said 7th was the only one working against them. Adlet speculated an 8th because he couldn't explain how to prove his innocence, but we have not seen an 8th.
So consider this: what if there is no 8th, but there was STILL an accomplice? That would mean there is a 7th, and an alternate traitor in the 6, no? Nashetania was surprised that someone as unscrupulous as Hans was selected, what's to say that one of the Rokka isn't working for their own interests? Just because they all gathered together doesn't mean that all their intentions are good.

2.) Again, Chamo received her powers at the age of 6 or 7. Just because she then went to see Mora for instructions, does not mean that she stayed with Mora for all that time. Fact is, she did not even come to the rendezvous point with Mora proves this. And just because I speculated a stealth ability, does not imply in any way that she acquired it along with her "Saint" status. It could have been a trait learned after she received her instructions from Mora, or if she really was working for the Demon Lord it could have been an ability gifted to her from the other side. That for sure would be unknown by Mora, now wouldn't it?


To be perfectly honest, I don't find my viewpoint as of this moment all that illogical.

@belial: Basically my post should answer some of your arguments as well. What's to say that one of the 6 true Rokkas wasn't working with the 7th, be it under coercion or whatever, and there is essentially no 8th. The idea of the 8th came from Adlet, but even his own speculation could be wrong, now couldn't he?

Adlet saw the fog and the sword on the dias, hence there's a very real possibility that the barrier really WAS activated, no?

Also, when was there a separate fog? All I saw was one fog patch from when the Fiend left, up to the current episode. Even Fremy said the fog wouldn't let up when they were playing with the Altar. What even gave the idea that there was a fake fog anyway? And what proof is there that the Private had been a fiend? I mean unless you actually know for a fact, there's been nothing indicating what the soldier said was outside the ordinary.

belial said:
This, though I didn't consider the last point, hope this doesn't end like those cheap mystery stories

belial said:
What I found really strange on ep 4 was she telling Adlet to go ahead alone and he leaving Flamie with them. After all that happened Adlet shouldn't have let Flamie with them and if she came with him he would have an alibi. (which would probably lead to the situation we are now though, the 2 running together)

belial said:


This, though I didn't consider the last point, hope this doesn't end like those cheap mystery stories

Jagd84 said:


Assuming it is Nashe

1) is wrong. She wasn't the only one who saw his mark, the people who with her did too. Besides if the 7th wants the Braves to kill each other so they can work never work together Adlet serves a better purpose being alive.
2) Godlof has known her forever, if she started coming on to him like all of a sudden he would know something was up.
3) Frame for Fremy what for? Everyone already thought she was the 7th to start with and was going to kill her before Hans stood for her. There not time to make any real plans against her either since the two had just met.

That said the chances of it being Nash isn't high at the moment outside of paranoia. Like with everyone else there needs to be some logical evidence/reasoning that points to her. Something can't be denied.

But we should be flexible because everyone even possibly Adlet himself is suspicious.

L-Ryoshi said:
Not entirely sure what your stance on Chamo is, I personally haven't found anything that indicates her innocence or her lack of ability to pull things off.

L-Ryoshi said:
All you both mentioned was that the period between blowing the door open and entering was too short for anything to happen.

L-Ryoshi said:
In fact, the fact that the sword was already on the dias indicating that the barrier was indeed activated before Adlet had entered the temple would be proof that the soldier had told the truth about how it was activated

L-Ryoshi said:
she was travelling with just Adlet for the first 10 days of the trip, why not kill him first

belial said:


On darboux's point:
1) Not exactly, because her actions made Adlet seem like the culprit. And if that strange panic mode did indeed activate the barrier she needed someone to blame, if not, she or Goldov would be the suspects

L-Ryoshi said:
better yet kill off Goldov

belial said:
2) He is loyal, it would be strange that even if she is the fake one that he wouldn't protect her. His jealous towards Adlet was pretty obvious, but despite that he seemed pretty loyal.

L-Ryoshi said:
2.) if Adlet and Goldov had been killed before reaching the barrier, she would still be in the same situation as she is in right now, with everyone suspicious of each other, but with two less people to kill. Also

belial said:


The "guards" required 2 hits, it was seconds, it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved, and like I said 2 times, if this is the case Maura is the fake. ALSO all 7 had alibis, so it had to be a 8th person. It still would make Maura the fake though



In that case Hans and Maura would be fakes, which means we have 5 braves and one was already dead. So it's also improbable.






Like I said, if she is the fake, it would make sense to keep him alive, she needed him.



Again..


Goldov is an asset imo



No, because if that panic mode was indeed her activating the barrier, she would be the only suspect one and therefor killed (this also refutes your point 3.))

beast_regards said:

Moira, ironically. Yes, one who wasn't with her at all. It is Moira's testimony that says that Chamo don't have any ability that would make activation possible within a limited time available for her when Adlet blasted the door. Of course, since no one was with her, she could've theoretically done so, but in the same time Moira (or anyone else) could've pointed finger at her and say "Chamo did it". Then it would, once again, require Moira testimony to say whether Chamo is capable of such a thing or not.
Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all.

L-Ryoshi said:
The onus on this disapproval was Adlet's insistence that the barrier had been activated even before he even blasted the door, and not that someone had snuck in to do the deed when he was preoccupied.

L-Ryoshi said:


As I mentioned before. They never did speculate on the time between Adlet blasting the door and him entering the temple. The speculation, which Mora disapproved, was that Chamot and the other Saints could not have done what Adlet had speculated: That someone had entered the temple BEFORE Adlet blasted the door, activated the Barrier, and either snuck out before Adlet blasted the door open again, or hid in the temple and escaped when the guards attacked Adlet once the doors were open.

The onus on this disapproval was Adlet's insistence that the barrier had been activated even before he even blasted the door, and not that someone had snuck in to do the deed when he was preoccupied.

beast_regards said:
Any theory actually relies on the fact that activation isn't possible without Moira's lying, soldier at fortress lying or scenes we saw didn't happened at all.

L-Ryoshi said:
why would panic-mode indicate her guilt?

L-Ryoshi said:
the guard would have still had to lie to every one of the Braves who knew the "false activation"

L-Ryoshi said:
Adlet being able to hit the temple guards in two hits, ergo indicating he is a saint. Isn't that just speculation?

L-Ryoshi said:
Everything would be just as it is now, because when they all enter, the sword would already be on the dias, indicating a barrier activation already. Her then going into panic mode would lead to the exact same result. And by that time, 3 or 4 of the Rokkas would already be dead, and her ultimate plan would have already succeeded.

belial said:

Exactly this, we already explored almost all possibilities with the info we have.


It doesn't, but it looked too convenient.


As the activation prior to Adlet getting there was told as impossible, as the sneak in was told as also impossible unless Maura is the fake. The solder lying about the activation seems logical


LOL what?

Also the previous phrase didn't make any sense, so I dunno what's your point with this:

I have no idea what you said here or what you meant

darboux said:
Or adlet did it,for some reason.And the director is just trolling us.

beast_regards said:

Chamo runs into the temple (sneaky little devil, isn't she) and activates the barrier.

it was humanly impossible unless a saint power is involved

Nashetania would still be able to do her maniac act, and still be considered innocent.

belial said:

they were in groups except Chamot, if Chamot were the suspect, the anime wouldn't be a mistery anime, if you know what I mean. So her act would only work if 1 person went alone, which is the situation she created went she told Adlet to go alone (for no good reason)

L-Ryoshi said:

Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious?

L-Ryoshi said:
Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious?