Overlord (light novel)
| ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. |
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| Thanks. I don't play WoW or whatever so I doubt I'll find it interesting. |
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AttackOnTetris said: Thanks. I don't play WoW or whatever so I doubt I'll find it interesting. like... what? lol |
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| The author started to write the novel for he was no longer able to play tabletop RPG with his friends busy with their lives. Well, the setting is obviously "trapped in MMORPG world", but why do you even care? |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| He's not trapped in a game, he's transported into a new world that's like the game. They are wish fulfillment characters cause that's how they were made in the dmmorpg, the females fight too. |
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| The thing is that we can just regard 99% of those game fantasy fictions as regular fantasy fictions, as only few of them actually care about "going back to the original world". Obviously most authors never want to make the story flow around it, what's the point of "meh another game fantasy" argument? Most of game fantasy fictions are game fantasy fictions for the first tens of pages and that's it. You could safely say you don't like medieval whatever fantasy, cookie-cutter-and-ripped-off-from-D&D-fantasy or power fantasy, but "ain't gonna watch it 'cos it's game fantasy" is just dumb. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
pokpokza said: i read your sentence and it's all wrong( not grammatically but fact is wrong , that isn't how the story is) , and i have no clue about the second sentence. do you mean they are player designed NPC? the explanation about this anime is in my comment here in this topic. yeah the game becoming reality sounds better yes, yggdrasil is a game where go custom make your npc's, that's why shalltear is a gothic loli vampire. |
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| ^ top kek It seems asking a genuine question results in your favourites getting attacked. #MAL |
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| No, this is does not play around a lot of game mechanics in the same way SAO or Log Horizon would. The MMO that the MC played is used as a rough template for the world he finds himself in now. In terms of the races, spells, items, etc. But everything else is its own world. There aren't many game elements to the story, really. The world itself isn't even the world he played the game in. And no, this is far from Shounen with absolutely no ass-pulls. Though I can't deny the wish fulfillment. We have not seen anyone who is even remotely capable of fighting the MC and his allies. They are miles above every other inhabitant in the world. But that the same time there isn't innocuous fan-service and females play just as large of a role as males, in fighting and politics. There is a ton of world-building and it really is an amazing story that strays away from a lot of tropes generally found in this genre. |
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| Look, it may be a generic game fantasy anime, but the MC is a Lich that can raise spoogy skellingtons. Do you need any other reason to watch it? |
| So far I'm enjoying it but we'll see how it plays out. |
| Yes, it is quite unique as anime. It's a great homage to classic tabletop RPGs, which I am a big fan of. Tier 9 spells? That sounds like Level 9 spells from Dungeon and Dragons. :) In fact, the title reminds me more about a RPG board game called Descent, where a "dungeon master" player called the Overlord controls legions of various monsters and race against the adventurers (other players) in achieving an objective. The positive side of this series is that the MC is a true neutral/neutral-evil character. This fact alone makes it quite unique and rare in anime. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Thanks for the non-rude replies! I'll probably check this out when the season is over :) |
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AttackOnTetris said: ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. Yes, that's exactly it. Don't bother with this shit. Watch Rokka no Yuusha instead. pokpokza said: our protag has become the Overlord , and he is Extreme Evil with -500 karma yep , but they are just as evil as Monster get , no one can be as evil as Human. I hate this kind of shit, which is another reason why Rokka no Yuusha is a breath of fresh air for me. |
UgokiJul 25, 2015 7:49 PM
Ugoki said: AttackOnTetris said: ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. Yes, that's exactly it. Don't bother with this shit. Watch Rokka no Yuusha instead. pokpokza said: our protag has become the Overlord , and he is Extreme Evil with -500 karma yep , but they are just as evil as Monster get , no one can be as evil as Human. I hate this kind of shit, which is another reason why Rokka no Yuusha is a breath of fresh air for me. You really need to learn to disguise your biased agenda better. Or else no one is ever going to take you seriously |
Ugoki said: Watch Rokka no Yuusha instead. It's even slower than overlord. Finds 2 or 3 comrades and some background info = 4 ep XD What a joke of recommendation. |
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AttackOnTetris said: ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. Don't worry, author of Overlord most likely knows about MMOs even less than you. IIRC he drew inspirations rather from tabletop RPGs. Though for now it seems to go towards wish fulfillment with shallow characters. Darklight0303 said: You really need to learn to disguise your biased agenda better. Or else no one is ever going to take you seriously Well, for now Rokka looks much better, since it actually has plot and more interesting characters. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: AttackOnTetris said: ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. Don't worry, author of Overlord most likely knows about MMOs even less than you. IIRC he drew inspirations rather from tabletop RPGs. Though for now it seems to go towards wish fulfillment with shallow characters. And you can tell all of this from the 3 episodes (3/4/) of volume 1 that has not said one word about the game mechanics in Yggdrasil. |
TyrelJul 26, 2015 3:33 PM
OpalMidge said: And you can tell all of this from the 3 episodes (3/4/) of volume 1 that has not said one word about the game mechanics in Yggdrasil. World Class Items, lack of facial expressions (because technology...), level drops after death or the deal with Heteromorphic races are things, that no Dev with and ounce common sense would place in MMO. |
TyrelJul 26, 2015 3:33 PM
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: OpalMidge said: And you can tell all of this from the 3 episodes (3/4/) of volume 1 that has not said one word about the game mechanics in Yggdrasil. World Class Items, lack of facial expressions (because technology...), level drops after death or the deal with Heteromorphic races are things, that no Dev with and ounce common sense would place in MMO. Pray tell, tell me what was said about WC items or level drops after death in the 3 episodes you watched? And precisely what deal with the heteromorphic races are you talking about? It's about a 100 years in the future and apparently there was a demand for playing races outside of human ones that Yggdrasil supplied, the game lasted 12 years after all. No one is claiming it was a perfect game. It did phase out as people stopped playing it but please, go ahead and create a better game a 100 years from now since you're obviously an expert. |
OpalMidge said: Pray tell, tell me what was said about WC items or level drops after death in the 3 episodes you watched? And precisely what deal with the heteromorphic races are you talking about? It's about a 100 years in the future and apparently there was a demand for playing races outside of human ones that Yggdrasil supplied, the game lasted 12 years after all. No one is claiming it was a perfect game. It did phase out as people stopped playing it but please, go ahead and create a better game a 100 years from now since you're obviously an expert. There was a thread about them here and if I am commenting on something, I at least look at wiki. The deal with heteromorphic races is that they can be PKed with no consequence and they aren't very popular, so in actual MMO they wouldn't go past playtesting. And if Devs can afford to make content like that, then why haven't they fixed facial expressions? I am not saying that YGGDRASIL would be a bad game, but that it's author doesn't seem to be informed well about MMOs. Plus things like racial levels, multiclassing, customization of NPC or high level penalties are rather more appropriate for PnP RPGs. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: OpalMidge said: Pray tell, tell me what was said about WC items or level drops after death in the 3 episodes you watched? And precisely what deal with the heteromorphic races are you talking about? It's about a 100 years in the future and apparently there was a demand for playing races outside of human ones that Yggdrasil supplied, the game lasted 12 years after all. No one is claiming it was a perfect game. It did phase out as people stopped playing it but please, go ahead and create a better game a 100 years from now since you're obviously an expert. There was a thread about them here and if I am commenting on something, I at least look at wiki. The deal with heteromorphic races is that they can be PKed with no consequence and they aren't very popular, so in actual MMO they wouldn't go past playtesting. And if Devs can afford to make content like that, then why haven't they fixed facial expressions? I am not saying that YGGDRASIL would be a bad game, but that it's author doesn't seem to be informed well about MMOs. Plus things like racial levels, multiclassing, customization of NPC or high level penalties are rather more appropriate for PnP RPGs. >Wiki Not to rag on it but they do get some things wrong so I'd take most things there with a grain of salt. >heteromorphic races pk The game promoted pvp and pking which, considering it was a p2w, makes sense because there would be lots of money to be made if people would pay to outfit themselves with the best protection possible. And while it was true the heteromorphic races were pk bait, they also had advantages that players obviously felt outweighed the cons of being pked. Also why the human races being pked by Ainz Ooal Gown couldn't go crying to the devs about being pked by heteromophic players. >facial expressions I hope you don't think that this isn't fiction and is actually some proposal for creating MMOs in real life? Because if you don't, I don't see why it should bother you that the author's taken some liberties and created a game that he'd probably want to play but also showed that it wasn't perfect and wouldn't last forever. >"it's author doesn't seem to be informed well about MMOs. Plus things like racial levels, multiclassing, customization of NPC or high level penalties are rather more appropriate for PnP RPGs." The author has acknowledged being an avid player of D&D. All he did was add a multiplayer facet to tabletop RPGs and came up with Yggdrasil. The function of the game isn't to work in real life but to be reasonably playable and interesting for it to have lasted the 12 years it did. |
jakkubus said: AttackOnTetris said: ...or is it some generic wish fulfillment stuff aimed toward gamers, chock full of shounen-ish asspulls, and background decoration female characters? I'm not a gamer but I love Greed Island so really just need to know if this Madhouse anime is worth looking into. Don't worry, author of Overlord most likely knows about MMOs even less than you. IIRC he drew inspirations rather from tabletop RPGs. Though for now it seems to go towards wish fulfillment with shallow characters. Darklight0303 said: You really need to learn to disguise your biased agenda better. Or else no one is ever going to take you seriously Well, for now Rokka looks much better, since it actually has plot and more interesting characters. This. Rokka is so much more better written than this. It's a gem amongst all the crappy LN fantasy stories. |
TheHonestThief said: No, this is does not play around a lot of game mechanics in the same way SAO or Log Horizon would. The MMO that the MC played is used as a rough template for the world he finds himself in now. In terms of the races, spells, items, etc. But everything else is its own world. There aren't many game elements to the story, really. The world itself isn't even the world he played the game in. And no, this is far from Shounen with absolutely no ass-pulls. Though I can't deny the wish fulfillment. We have not seen anyone who is even remotely capable of fighting the MC and his allies. They are miles above every other inhabitant in the world. But that the same time there isn't innocuous fan-service and females play just as large of a role as males, in fighting and politics. There is a ton of world-building and it really is an amazing story that strays away from a lot of tropes generally found in this genre. Just think of it as an action/adventure/fantasy set in a medieval time period with monologues of gameplay allusions you won't understand. It is entirely possible, if either the series is long enough or the time the MC spends in this new world is sufficient enough, that the game play allusions will completely disappear. |
| "Ohhh how humans fall to love so easily. Tis a truth unrequited that we, being so weak, pity the weak, and detest the weaker." -My Brain  |
Ugoki said: This. Rokka is so much more better written than this. It's a gem amongst all the crappy LN fantasy stories. 4 ep. in and it fails in comparison to overlords first 2 ep. Ainz characterization beats all of rokka's by an undead mile. |
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ichii_1 said: Ugoki said: This. Rokka is so much more better written than this. It's a gem amongst all the crappy LN fantasy stories. 4 ep. in and it fails in comparison to overlords first 2 ep. Ainz characterization beats all of rokka's by an undead mile. I personally like Overlord more than Rokka. I actually haven't been wanting to keep up with it and have stopped watching the new releases of Rokka. The main character of Overlord is well-rounded and seemingly brilliant too. |
| "Ohhh how humans fall to love so easily. Tis a truth unrequited that we, being so weak, pity the weak, and detest the weaker." -My Brain |
ichii_1 said: Ugoki said: This. Rokka is so much more better written than this. It's a gem amongst all the crappy LN fantasy stories. 4 ep. in and it fails in comparison to overlords first 2 ep. Ainz characterization beats all of rokka's by an undead mile. ScottR said: ichii_1 said: 4 ep. in and it fails in comparison to overlords first 2 ep. Ainz characterization beats all of rokka's by an undead mile. I personally like Overlord more than Rokka. I actually haven't been wanting to keep up with it and have stopped watching the new releases of Rokka. The main character of Overlord is well-rounded and seemingly brilliant too. Read the LN. |
| [quote=Ugoki] ichii_1 said: Read the LN. I'm an avid reader of LNs and am a fan of both series. Rokka no Yuusha and Overlord both seem to me as dark fantasy but have entirely different approaches to the sub genre. I like variety so I'm all for reading both. Both offer a different feel and I found myself enjoying the different aspects of both show without really caring about what's better or whatnot. Both are quite unconventional as far as translated LNs of the fantasy genre goes and I found myself truly enjoying them. Rokka is more of an emotional roller coaster/suspense series while Overlord, while I can't deny the wish fulfillment bits, cooks up a novel enough presentation that it doesn't feel stale. Though it does plod on quite a few times. I just take it as part of it charm. Rokka does that as well, though to a lesser extent, and is masked by the overarching theme of suspense and the always hanging threat of betrayal. Rokka also has themes that can't exactly be called original anymore. But again, the way the story is presented does breathe new life into those themes somewhat. Anyway, both series have their pro and cons, but I don't really care. It all boils down to one thing: A matter of taste. I, for one, chose to read them both. I also read Hai to Gensou no Grimgal and have come to love it a well. I'm also reading some of the Chinese VR web novels recently in the vogue nowadays and am relatively enjoying myself, no matter how ridiculous they get at times. Lighten up dudes and dudettes. There's actually no reason to break up into camps. Just read/watch what you enjoy and respect the tastes of others. Ruffling the feathers of other anime/LN/manga fans over something this silly just reminds me of the Bieber vs. 1D debates my cousins used to harp about back in the day. Believe me, it got preeeety ugly... |
swordstriker21Jul 27, 2015 4:21 AM
TheHonestThief said: But that the same time there isn't innocuous fan-service... Blessed be. ScottR said: ichii_1 said: 4 ep. in and it fails in comparison to overlords first 2 ep. Ainz characterization beats all of rokka's by an undead mile. I personally like Overlord more than Rokka. I actually haven't been wanting to keep up with it and have stopped watching the new releases of Rokka. The main character of Overlord is well-rounded and seemingly brilliant too. Indeed, I'm gonna watch both, but I'll probably just pick up the overlord light novel afterwards, everyone's got their own styles, and I've always preferred villains to wiseguy pranksters. Personally though they seem to be somewhat different genres. if I were really in the mood to watch something like overlord and didn't like it I'd probably go to gate before Rokka because Rokka has less of a D&D feel, but instead feels like a different set of background mechanics entirely. Rather it seems to lack the structure of such background mechanics which is generally a good thing offering more freedom. Moreover, why would dropping any one anime imply they'd watch another. True one's only got so much time in a day ect. But if an anime's good folks will end up watching it one way or anther even if they end up waiting for another season. = It just doesn't make sense to me. Well I'm here in the overlord threads today because I just couldn't get the show off my mind and figured I'd read some friendly discussion to break the same looping thoughts, but I certainly hope that overlord fans aren't going to the Rokka fans and telling them their anime sucks and to watch overlord too, after all I like believing that regardless of what we're into we're not petty enough as to say each others preferences are wrong and that they should watch our favorites instead... Side note, love the smiling emoticons from the monster players at the start. :D |
Meine said: Well I'm here in the overlord threads today because I just couldn't get the show off my mind and figured I'd read some friendly discussion to break the same looping thoughts, but I certainly hope that overlord fans aren't going to the Rokka fans and telling them their anime sucks and to watch overlord too, after all I like believing that regardless of what we're into we're not petty enough as to say each others preferences are wrong and that they should watch our favorites instead... It's just a couple of trolls who began this whole"Go watch Rokka, it's wayyy better than Overlord". I don't know why anyone would see such blatant trolling and reply with "Well, Overlord is way better than Rokka" but looks like that's what happened. |
OpalMidge said: Meine said: Well I'm here in the overlord threads today because I just couldn't get the show off my mind and figured I'd read some friendly discussion to break the same looping thoughts, but I certainly hope that overlord fans aren't going to the Rokka fans and telling them their anime sucks and to watch overlord too, after all I like believing that regardless of what we're into we're not petty enough as to say each others preferences are wrong and that they should watch our favorites instead... It's just a couple of trolls who began this whole"Go watch Rokka, it's wayyy better than Overlord". I don't know why anyone would see such blatant trolling and reply with "Well, Overlord is way better than Rokka" but looks like that's what happened. I took it as a challenge ;D |
| "Ohhh how humans fall to love so easily. Tis a truth unrequited that we, being so weak, pity the weak, and detest the weaker." -My Brain |
| Standard wish fulfillment. He even rewrites a NPC to be his waifu. |
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| So I'm guessing it went downhill :( |
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AttackOnTetris said: So I'm guessing it went downhill :( You mean the discussion? Yes. The series? No, it picked up in pacing in the latest episode. FYI, from a less subjective point of view, Overlord and Rokka are scratching completely different itch. I watch both and enjoy both equally, for different reasons. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
AttackOnTetris said: So I'm guessing it went downhill :( Just watch it and judge for yourself. I suggest watching episodes 3-4. They're good indicators of what to expect at the climax of most arcs. If you don't like what you see, drop it. Easy right? The story is more seinen than shounen anyway. The females are downright scary sometimes. They get their own time in the spotlight. Heck, there are a chock full of arcs in the novel focusing on different characters and how their lives and actions intertwine w/ Ainz and his subordinates. You get perspectives from a lot of these characters and, while it feels a bit dragging at times, it does manage to keep these interwoven stories interesting. It does get a bit gorier in the later arcs. But I doubt we'll to that point there since there are only 13 episodes. |
swordstriker21Jul 28, 2015 3:13 AM
| So it's not going to be done at the end of this season? Also I have no clue what "the story is more seinen" is supposed to mean. In what ways? Greed Island is shounen and No Game No Life is seinen, but I consider GI more well-thought out. |
HalkenburgJul 28, 2015 3:31 AM
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swordstriker21 said: AttackOnTetris said: So I'm guessing it went downhill :( Just watch it and judge for yourself. I suggest watching episodes 3-4. They're good indicators of what to expect at the climax of most arcs. If you don't like what you see, drop it. Easy right? The story is more seinen than shounen anyway. The females are downright scary sometimes. They get their own time in the spotlight. Heck, there are a chock full of arcs in the novel focusing on different characters and how their lives and actions intertwine w/ Ainz and his subordinates. You get perspectives from a lot of these characters and, while it feels a bit dragging at times, it does manage to keep these interwoven stories interesting. It does get a bit gorier in the later arcs. But I doubt we'll to that point there since there are only 13 episodes. I think we'll make it to the gory bits if they adapt until vol 3 |
| It's a shame this anime came out after a two seasons of SAO and two seasons of Log Horizon, it would be nearly impossible to get rid of the prejudice now. And I really liked the Log Horizon myself, but similarity between the shows is like in single sentence in the review. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
| Shounen? First of all this is a Seinen, and yes its concept is original, its something like the opposite of Log Horizon, the protagost is a dark hero, you can't really call him a good guy, anyway, this is nothing like the rest of online game animes |
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AttackOnTetris said: So it's not going to be done at the end of this season? Also I have no clue what "the story is more seinen" is supposed to mean. In what ways? Greed Island is shounen and No Game No Life is seinen, but I consider GI more well-thought out. It refers to the target demographic. Although some themes might not make it through because of restrictions on what can be shown on television. As for the crux of your quandary, HxH Greed Island arc isn't exactly a good reference point for Overlord. Nor is any series that heavily focuses on game aspects/strategy and whatnot. There's politics and plotting but that's not really the point of the series. It's an entirely different theme. Instead of it being a fantasy based game series, it's a fantasy series w/ game elements. But the game elements only serve as a backdrop. The series doesn't focus on the game elements too much and instead focuses on events and characters. Nor does the MC need to plan excessively in order to win cuz he's, like, THE final boss. He's OP, but that's the entire point of the show. If you dislike that, then it might not be a show for you. |
| People using the word seinen when they acutally meant mature really gives me a headache. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| try 3 episode if you don't like it just drop it. how I distinguish Shounen from Seinen, easy if I don't like it most likely it's shounen. |
| That's a false dichotomy because people use the word for implying mature somehow. Also, there are no general definition of seinen outside demographic unlike shounen or shoujo since it cannot be defined in such a manner. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
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