Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 9 Discussion

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swn32 said:
Offscreen event definitely happen even if there is no proof to it

Back at you.

Mar 9, 2015 10:35 AM

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Viktor_Otaku said:
Offscreen events don't happen even if the facts imply it.

Mar 9, 2015 10:37 AM

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Viktor_Otaku said:
Offscreen events don't happen even if the facts imply it.

What bloody facts, its like saying that the room is stinks therefore a guy must have taken a dump in it, or something might had died in there. Your facts point to a number of possibilities and none of them is concrete enough.

Mar 9, 2015 10:40 AM

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What bloody facts, its like saying that the room is stinks therefore a guy must have taken a dump in it, or something might had died in there. Your facts point to a number of possibilities and none of them is concrete enough.

Even Lemrina says the war was a protracted one and the counts need to unite to finish it fast. It is obvious that the resistance called for them to unite.

Mar 9, 2015 10:49 AM

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Random BS

Castles have been taken down while Inaho was out of action. There is the fact. The world map shows as much.

Also during war they'd be looking into stronger weapons to deal with the enemy don't you know. And unlike the VERS who only have beachheads they guard, Terrans have home ground advantage and already established infrastructure to make use of the resources at hand. Hell the Deucalion is getting upgrades in this episode. So again your defense for your delusional argument is about as thin as paper. The one who should keep quiet is you. You've already made an utter mockery of yourself with the whole Slaine's castle cock up.

Mar 9, 2015 10:55 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
You've already made an utter mockery of yourself with the whole Slaine's castle cock up.

So this is what happens when everybody's favorite fukboy gets cucked. I guess downplaying Inaho's victory would provide them some solace.

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Mar 9, 2015 11:05 AM

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Considering how there are huge confusion on what Landing Castle can do and not, i will try to list them to show how idiotic the count action here.

Landing Castle causes huge explosion when it landed.

Landing Castle can shots tons of missiles which covers long ranges as it shows how it can even hit Communication system cable located in deep sea.

Landing Castle can located all those communication cable from far location showing that the sensors is good and cover good amount of range.

Landing Castle had strong defensive plating located on the outer side as it allow the Landing Castle to withstand Terrans attack during the descent. This is proven on how even with such huge ramming power by Deucalion on Landing Castle, only a small hole is created and no hole is created by Inaho Katapract missile attack on Sauceboom castle.

Landing Castle also had tons of AA guns to protect them from enemy attack. However in this case, Landing Castle AA Guns is actually more on artillery/tank size as it shown how a single shot in Sauceboom descent is able to immediately destroy Mustang 33. The size on the AA guns is also much bigger than usual AA guns.

Landing Castle also had numerous missile armaments as Sauceboom actually uses Bunker Busters as their main missiles once.

Hope with all these, we can finally see that Landing Castle is as actually the safe haven for the Count and those Counts just pissed on them like almost all the time except for Sauceboom.

Thanks, finally.
I dunno, I'd use a thing like that if my life was on the line.

Saying that we can't use ep.1 as an argument is strange. The technical characteristucs haven't changed.

The problem with the latest discussion is that is is unclear who wins and what positions are held.

The initial statement that Vers is superior in tech is not supported by the actual events happening in the show. Like, they don't even have a good armor.
The statement that terrans lost a lot of people (the line about extinction in the end of season 1) is not supported by the notion that they use cannon fodder tactics (and it's unclear where they produce tech).
So basically the two problrms of UFE are conveniently ignored.

Versians supposedly want land, but they don't engage in any capturing activities. So basically the idea that they want Earth is ignored and sabotaged by latter writing.
Maybe they engage in terrorising the reamining terrans to force UEF to capitulate? Or partake in genocide? Also unclear.

The only things we are shown is Inaho curbstomping pathetically stupid counts.

Bringing up castles would be useless too, but Saazbaum was pretty sucessful in deploying one. Nobody else being able to do it is an inconsistency.

And the castles offer coverage. If you have a coverage you want to use it. That's why people fight for comfortable firing position, shell the enemy and only then go to battlefield.

Mar 9, 2015 11:37 AM

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It sure would be great if they localized troops. But they don't appear to have any besides the three counts (which is an entirely different complaint). Once again, the Terran's mission is to attack and wipe out the defending forces. If they don't go in and destroy them, then they aren't accomplishing their job either. It doesn't make any sense in the situation in the anime for the counts not to adopt a defensive position during the attack, and push out afterwards.[quote]

Sorry for this late and long replied but it to took me while to cover most logical reasoning and by that time I final gather my thought and wrote this after a few distraction the discussion was over but since felt it would be waste delete this I will post in case anyone want to debate my reasoning .
Anyways here my reasoning as to why the counts attack outside their castle defensive range other than begin arrogant and stupid . Also this reasoning is based on lot of infer information based on real-life human history and small fact people neglect in the show due to only begin show or explain once in a non important scene.

They do have regular troops of sort inside their landing castle they just don't have any kataphrakt as seen season 1 during last few episode saazbum castle was filled with people with guns. Also not all counts have equal resource or wealth saazbum and crutch are outliner since from what was told in the show they were close to the emperor as seen in one of those family picture.Also some count don't even have knight so their is disparity in wealth even between count something the show doesn't tell us directly but you can infer. So the fact the outlier saazbum had very few non-alnoah power kataphrakt at his disposal and he was suppose to be a super influential count worthy of respect show vers army to lack quantity in term kataphrakt which fit the statement they baldly lack earth resource that give UFE the ability to create an endless stream of kataphrakt. So if they're a taking they would have to relied on mainly ground troops with barely any equipment. On that note the fact neither of the three count had a knight and that they join slain means they are count of low influence since those are the type of count that benefit the most from a change in power structure.

This mean the counts would be very incline to successfully follow slain order which was to secure that territory and gather resources in order to do that they would have send their regular troops which they can't unless unless they get rid of all enemy kataphrakts surrounding their castle since their regular infantry are useless against UFE larger and better equipped force and it would be waste of their limited resource to send them to battle along the side since while the count Kataphrakt can barely be injured by regular force their regular troop would get slaughter.

So they have three option. One which would be call for help from slain who has more unit but that would seriously damage to their reputation and prevent them for obtaining favor from slain like benign given more unit since he is the one with access to the aldnoah activiation code. Second they could wait for them attack but then they would have to report to slain why they taking so long to fully secure their territory which will still make them look incompetent since maazurek got flak from other count for begin very passive . Lastly option 3 attack them even though they're out of the range of your castle defensive.

Out of all option third if done successfully would gain more them favor with slain while the first two option will result in damage to their reputation and hamper their goal obtaining influence .So while option 1 and 2 are the best option for vers as an empire it also the option at that at best would have not benefit for themselves or at worst make them look incompetent since they can rid UFE forces on quickly or on their own.

Mar 9, 2015 11:48 AM

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slaine is goning to get fu3k hard in the a22 now hahahahaha

Mar 9, 2015 12:02 PM

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new animedia spread

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Neobosco said:
new animedia spread

Wow, it's like a fujoshi dream... ><

Mar 9, 2015 12:47 PM

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deadoptimist said:

Neobosco said:
new animedia spread

Wow, it's like a fujoshi dream... ><

If Slaine isn't dead we may end up with a third series.

Mar 9, 2015 12:57 PM

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I admit that you idea that the lower counts do not have knights is good. Though it's unclear why they do even need the different titles in such a case or how did they plan to win, cause even if they didn't meet aby resistance you can't hold a planet with a few kats.

But we don't even know how they construct the kats. It's doubtful that kats were found as they are, cause they have comfy chairs and stuff, also Saazbaum seems to steal cores and remake his Dioscuria.

Your other points are debatable, in my opinion.
First of all I am not sure that the point of the reinforces operation was gathering of the resources, not capture or opposition to Inaho. At least I don't remember it being pushed.
While thay said t hat martians lack resources in the long run, we haven't seen any signs of current shortage. And minerals are minable in space.

So it's really no need to hurry. And Slaine is well aware of the danger Inaho possess, so he hardly would oppose a more measured approach. In any case they need results, not speed.
Mazuurek was blamed cause he apparently sit the whole course of war in an uninhabited part of the desert.

And they are not surrounded.

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deadoptimist said:

Wow, it's like a fujoshi dream... ><

If Slaine isn't dead we may end up with a third series.

It looks likely from the way they change plot. Even with Slaine dead or "dead" to be honest.
The only thing that can stop them is low preorders.

...damn, the poster is scary. Three bishounen in front of a Maelstrom. Slaanesh is happy, I guess.
Though I don't like the desing of Cruhteo's son. Too plain. His father was much more impressive. I guess, the guy needs several years and bigger interest in SM.

Edit: I want to share the burden. "Count Olga" is killing me dead, cuz "Olga" is a popular Russian female name (analogous to Helga). I currently know three women called that and I think two or three more were in my class. I quietly weep when he is mentioned.

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Mar 9, 2015 1:18 PM

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Lowering the score for this garbage season.

Mar 9, 2015 1:20 PM

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The second season keeps getting better, i currently like it more than S1.

The battle against the 3 Vers Counts was very interesting. Even though Inaho was the one to figure out how to defeat them, he only singlehandedly beat one of them, the other was his sister's kill and the last one was a joint effort. On the other hand, it looks like his eye is getting worse and worse. It'll honestly be some real BS if he dies to a robotic eye... if he thinks it puts too much strain on his nervous system and brain then he should just remove it.

Back to Vers - the princess pretending to be Lemrina to understand Slaine's objective was a nice touch. He's honestly one of the most determined characters i've seen in anime, it's clear that absolutely nothing can dissuade him from achieving his plan, not even the one he loves. I wonder if the still alive Emperor will have some role. Lastly, Cruhteo having a son... definitely didn't anticipate that.

That omnipresent Aldnoah mech was ridiculous, though...

4.5/5

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deadoptimist said:

Neobosco said:
new animedia spread

Wow, it's like a fujoshi dream... ><

At least other side of that spread is nice

Mar 9, 2015 1:52 PM

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Mar 9, 2015 3:47 PM

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deadoptimist said:
Versians supposedly want land, but they don't engage in any capturing activities. So basically the idea that they want Earth is ignored and sabotaged by latter writing.
Maybe they engage in terrorising the reamining terrans to force UEF to capitulate? Or partake in genocide? Also unclear.
The only things we are shown is Inaho curbstomping pathetically stupid counts.

Anyways, this fucking thread man....

I actually have read the whole thing. What is wrong with me?

Mar 9, 2015 4:03 PM

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Anyways, this fucking thread man....

I actually have read the whole thing. What is wrong with me?

In my books you're fine. Unlike A.Z we have a real fight here.

Edit: Also my grammar in that quote is appaling, ugh.

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And, guys and gals, what's your predictions? I guess, Mazuurek will help the princess(es) escape. Asseylum will run for sure, while Lemrina may stay to strike Slaine later.

And what will the role of Cruhteo's son be?

Is he an envoy from the king?
Will he create problems by wanting to talk to the princess?
Or will he fuck up Slaine's plans by claiming Tharsis, undoubtedly his inheritance?
Or maybe he will side with Mazuurek in helping the princess(es) escape?

With Inaho it's not much to speculate. He will be sick, Yuki will coo, Inko will pout, Doctor will bullshit, command may push him. Other than that he will win, no one will die.
If Inaho is out, Marito will play placeholder for a time.

...and I've suddenly understood that I wanna more screentime for Harklight.

Mar 9, 2015 5:46 PM

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Viktor_Otaku said:
Random BS

Castles have been taken down while Inaho was out of action. There is the fact. The world map shows as much.

Also during war they'd be looking into stronger weapons to deal with the enemy don't you know. And unlike the VERS who only have beachheads they guard, Terrans have home ground advantage and already established infrastructure to make use of the resources at hand. Hell the Deucalion is getting upgrades in this episode. So again your defense for your delusional argument is about as thin as paper. The one who should keep quiet is you. You've already made an utter mockery of yourself with the whole Slaine's castle cock up.

So this is what happens when everybody's favorite fukboy gets cucked. I guess downplaying Inaho's victory would provide them some solace.[/quote]

And you still have not answer my question, instead of giving me proof of Earth's heavy artillery, you go and a spin fanciful tales of resources and Deucalion which had nothing to do with the argument at hand, this is straw man at is fines, and if you can't even type a reasonable post without resorting to vile language, then don't bother posting at all, real sorry for your parents for having a reject like you.

Instead of manning up and admitting you are wrong that Earth do not posses any heavy firepower, you cowardly go and try and turn the whole argument into another direction. The castle screw up is real, I admit it. So what about you here ?

If you can't then just wave the white flag.

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Mar 9, 2015 5:48 PM

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Darklight0303 said:
You've already made an utter mockery of yourself with the whole Slaine's castle cock up.

So this is what happens when everybody's favorite fukboy gets cucked. I guess downplaying Inaho's victory would provide them some solace.

There is never any downplaying of Inaho's victory here, because his fights are so ridiculous there is never anything worth salvaging. Its only the Inaho fanboys who actually think that Inaho is a good MC, such as you. Repeated plot tricks, dead character progression and magic plot armor all goes to show how terrible Inaho is.

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Mar 9, 2015 6:07 PM

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Slaine is gonna pull a zero requiem isn't he..........

Exactly what I was thinking

Mar 9, 2015 6:14 PM

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Viktor_Otaku said:
More random excuses and personal attacks

And yet again more personal attacks. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze. It is you who needs to bring evidence to the table seeing as you claim that technology is not advanced despite the countless instances that show technology above our own. The burden of proof stands with the accuser. Sorry to break it to you.

I don't have to wave any white flag. You do that with every personal attack and flimsy argument you make. The sad thing is you actually believe you're winning.

Congratulations on FINALLY admitting the mistake with the castle by the way. It only took a ton of reminding before you admitted that.

Mar 9, 2015 6:17 PM

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Darklight0303 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:
More random excuses and personal attacks

And yet again more personal attacks. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze. It is you who needs to bring evidence to the table seeing as you claim that technology is not advanced despite the countless instances that show technology above our own. The burden of proof stands with the accuser. Sorry to break it to you.

I don't have to wave any white flag. You do that with every personal attack and flimsy argument you make. The sad thing is you actually believe you're winning.

Congratulations on FINALLY admitting the mistake with the castle by the way. It only took a ton of reminding before you admitted that.

And my proof here is earth is never shown having any heavy artillery or equipment, and what do you have ? You are also in the same stand as me, and stop trying to twist my post again. The technological advancement is real, but world history prior to 2000 was the same, and that same advancement does not mean that it translates into big shiny new artillery. You too have yet to bring any evidence to the table for that. So yeah, go around strutting thinking that you won.

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Viktor_Otaku said:

Darklight0303 said:

And yet again more personal attacks. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze. It is you who needs to bring evidence to the table seeing as you claim that technology is not advanced despite the countless instances that show technology above our own. The burden of proof stands with the accuser. Sorry to break it to you.

I don't have to wave any white flag. You do that with every personal attack and flimsy argument you make. The sad thing is you actually believe you're winning.

Congratulations on FINALLY admitting the mistake with the castle by the way. It only took a ton of reminding before you admitted that.

And my proof here is earth is never shown having any heavy artillery or equipment, and what do you have ? You are also in the same stand as me, and stop trying to twist my post again. The technological advancement is real, but world history prior to 2000 was the same, and that same advancement does not mean that it translates into big shiny new artillery. You too have yet to bring any evidence to the table for that. So yeah, go around strutting thinking that you won.

Because we've actually had any focus on the rest of earth beyond Inaho's group. Oh wait we haven't. However Earth has survived for 19 months without Inaho and they have managed to capture or destroy several castles in that period. That kind of feat would not be possible without advancements in weaponry and firepower.

The results of the battle lines is my proof. Yours is nothing but baseless conjecture. I don't need to think I won. I already have. Now go slink off into the shadows like the adorable little dupe account you really are.

Mar 9, 2015 6:25 PM

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lionelllama said:

Knight-Artorias said:
Slaine is gonna pull a zero requiem isn't he..........

Exactly what I was thinking

Hope not, if Slaine dies , then the entire development plan will be transferred to Asseylum , and to be honest i dont think she's any good at this point.

Mar 9, 2015 6:26 PM

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Viktor_Otaku said:

And my proof here is earth is never shown having any heavy artillery or equipment, and what do you have ? You are also in the same stand as me, and stop trying to twist my post again. The technological advancement is real, but world history prior to 2000 was the same, and that same advancement does not mean that it translates into big shiny new artillery. You too have yet to bring any evidence to the table for that. So yeah, go around strutting thinking that you won.

Because we've actually had any focus on the rest of earth beyond Inaho's group. Oh wait we haven't. However Earth has survived for 19 months without Inaho and they have managed to capture or destroy several castles in that period. That kind of feat would not be possible without advancements in weaponry and firepower.

The results of the battle lines is my proof. Yours is nothing but baseless conjecture. I don't need to think I won. I already have.

Again with the whole 19 month arguements, and if you had forgotten, Inaho was not bed ridden the entire time untill they fought Elysium, in fact he was up and running within a shorter time than that, him getting the eye fitted onto him must have taken significant time.

Unless you having anything more concrete than that period of time and Inaho's pulling the strings which is already becoming the bread and butter of the show, then do post it here. You need more hard evidence than that, my evidence is that there is no depiction nor mentioning about it.

You can't just point at ruined castles and mechs and say "look, look Earth did that." It is already established that in every single combat with Mars, Inaho was behind it regardless of whether it was shown on screen or not. I will need more proof than that, after setting that the show had setted.
You aren't winning, but you are just merely running away from the issue by pointing in another direction. Its like a saying a car had break down, therefore the cause must have been a busted radiator when there is any number of possibilities to that, and that all we are seeing is just smoke from the hood. This is what you are presenting, you are just merely answering the problem with another assumption which is not supported by other facts, if it was shown that the UFE was reasonably capable on its own without Inaho, I would have agreed with you. But every time we see UFE goons getting slaughtered in their dozens before Inaho did something about it.

My process goes like this

Those castles are taken out by Inaho, why?
1) Inaho is shown to be the only person in UFE with half a brain.
2) Inaho was shown to have successfully attacked a landing castle before.
3) Inaho had been actively travelling the world beforehand, most likely to combat Vers.
4) Apart from Inaho, not a single other UFE personnel had been shown to have any success against Vers.

Your process goes like this :
UFE is capable of holding its own, reasons ?
1) 19 months had passed and earth had yet yo be fully conquered, but you are missing the fact that UFE is just throwing numbers at the Martians hoping to slow them down.
2) Is there anything more ?
3) yes there is, Inaho. Who does not prove that UFE is capable on its own.
4) Oh and they have the mechs which did a hell lot to slow down the Martians advance, plus a fancy arm sling for Inaho's sister. Oh well, at least they still have Inaho's game-breaking eye which came from god knows where.

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I haven't been watching anime "seriously" that long but seeing a thread with so many replies and debates should mean the show has a lot of viewers...at least??

On another note, this episode got good. I don't like Inaho's beeing overpowered and so flat as a character. Those action scenes are meh! to me.
But when Slain strikes, its like watching a Lelouch wannabe, which, in this case isn't so bad. If anything, the politics and the drama surrounding Slaine are pretty well done. Inaho and his bunch can go die a fast death.

First place goes to Lelouch, making his way slowly to second place is Slaine.

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I haven't been watching anime "seriously" that long but seeing a thread with so many replies and debates should mean the show has a lot of viewers...at least??

On another note, this episode got good. I don't like Inaho's beeing overpowered and so flat as a character. Those action scenes are meh! to me.
But when Slain strikes, its like watching a Lelouch wannabe, which, in this case isn't so bad. If anything, the politics and the drama surrounding Slaine are pretty well done. Inaho and his bunch can go die a fast death.

First place goes to Lelouch, making his way slowly to second place is Slaine.

The politics part is okay, but the drama is forced. The part with Lemrina more so, she started of as a very manipulative and strong willed character, but yet throws it all away after she met Slaine just because she likes him, there is no reasonable explanation apart from the fact the writers screw up again. A person who had grown up in her situation would had to be exceptionally determined and unwavering.

Unfortunately Inaho's potential is just as wasted as Slaine's. This is the sad part of the series, each main character here had so much potential. For Inaho it is how he progresses from being stoic to be more emotional and outward than before. For Slaine it is how he matures to understand the works on his society and the political backstabbing going on, not to mention his upwards progress towards the top, breaking societal rules.

As it stands now, the writer's failed to expand Inaho's character from the first episode onwards, he never break out of the typical "here I come to save the day" OP MC mould, he still have not been shown to have matured emotional or being any closer to a normal human. While Slaine's progression had also faltered, he was starting out so nicely and yet the writers decided to put the princess drama and the fight scenes before it again. And time and time again, the writers had failed to explain on the inner workings of his plans, and they are remarkable flip floppy about his private life too, the writers are trying to portray him as a tragic character who think he is unworthy of love, yet still allows others to be close to him.

In the end, both characters suck. And both sides who are attempting to justify otherwise is deluded.

And be careful about who you choose to like and dislike here, apparently it defines your choice of salvation and damnation.

For me. the best ending would be that every single one of these character are killed off to save us from the inevitable worshiping of the said character as a god just because he or she so happen so survive (because of plot armor) even though he most likely would end up as a vegetable (looking at you here Inaho) or perhaps imprisoned (Slaine, there is no walking out of this one). Better end it in one clean swipe rather than leave scraps for people to fight on.

However if you cut away all the unnecssary parts from them both, the problem of morality and the choices each made and just focus on which characters proves to be the most interesting, the one whom you can understand and relate to any normal person. Then it would be slaine who wins.

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lablackmamba said:
I haven't been watching anime "seriously" that long but seeing a thread with so many replies and debates should mean the show has a lot of viewers...at least??

On another note, this episode got good. I don't like Inaho's beeing overpowered and so flat as a character. Those action scenes are meh! to me.
But when Slain strikes, its like watching a Lelouch wannabe, which, in this case isn't so bad. If anything, the politics and the drama surrounding Slaine are pretty well done. Inaho and his bunch can go die a fast death.

First place goes to Lelouch, making his way slowly to second place is Slaine.

Oh, man, you said you prefer Slaine's plotline... Brace for the impact! D:

I agree with Viktor_Otaku in that there's hardly any hidden superstrong artillery on Earth. It won't fit the universe.

The funny thing is that the way the conversation has got, Darklight defends the point that the terrans are able to fight even without Inaho - which somehow cheapens his heroism. It aslo makes the initial statement of martians' superiority inder question. But they could hold only by virtue of the enormity of the task, btw.

And Viktor_Otaku pushes the idea that the Earth holds only because of Inaho. Which makes Vers even more stupid.

It's kind of a vice versa thing.

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[quote=Xenogear_Id][quote=ANGRY2011]
It sure would be great if they localized troops. But they don't appear to have any besides the three counts (which is an entirely different complaint). Once again, the Terran's mission is to attack and wipe out the defending forces. If they don't go in and destroy them, then they aren't accomplishing their job either. It doesn't make any sense in the situation in the anime for the counts not to adopt a defensive position during the attack, and push out afterwards.

Sorry for this late and long replied but it to took me while to cover most logical reasoning and by that time I final gather my thought and wrote this after a few distraction the discussion was over but since felt it would be waste delete this I will post in case anyone want to debate my reasoning .
Anyways here my reasoning as to why the counts attack outside their castle defensive range other than begin arrogant and stupid . Also this reasoning is based on lot of infer information based on real-life human history and small fact people neglect in the show due to only begin show or explain once in a non important scene.

They do have regular troops of sort inside their landing castle they just don't have any kataphrakt as seen season 1 during last few episode saazbum castle was filled with people with guns. Also not all counts have equal resource or wealth saazbum and crutch are outliner since from what was told in the show they were close to the emperor as seen in one of those family picture.Also some count don't even have knight so their is disparity in wealth even between count something the show doesn't tell us directly but you can infer. So the fact the outlier saazbum had very few non-alnoah power kataphrakt at his disposal and he was suppose to be a super influential count worthy of respect show vers army to lack quantity in term kataphrakt which fit the statement they baldly lack earth resource that give UFE the ability to create an endless stream of kataphrakt. So if they're a taking they would have to relied on mainly ground troops with barely any equipment. On that note the fact neither of the three count had a knight and that they join slain means they are count of low influence since those are the type of count that benefit the most from a change in power structure.

This mean the counts would be very incline to successfully follow slain order which was to secure that territory and gather resources in order to do that they would have send their regular troops which they can't unless unless they get rid of all enemy kataphrakts surrounding their castle since their regular infantry are useless against UFE larger and better equipped force and it would be waste of their limited resource to send them to battle along the side since while the count Kataphrakt can barely be injured by regular force their regular troop would get slaughter.

So they have three option. One which would be call for help from slain who has more unit but that would seriously damage to their reputation and prevent them for obtaining favor from slain like benign given more unit since he is the one with access to the aldnoah activiation code. Second they could wait for them attack but then they would have to report to slain why they taking so long to fully secure their territory which will still make them look incompetent since maazurek got flak from other count for begin very passive . Lastly option 3 attack them even though they're out of the range of your castle defensive.

Out of all option third if done successfully would gain more them favor with slain while the first two option will result in damage to their reputation and hamper their goal obtaining influence .So while option 1 and 2 are the best option for vers as an empire it also the option at that at best would have not benefit for themselves or at worst make them look incompetent since they can rid UFE forces on quickly or on their own.

Its a reasonable thought but there are some things I would like to add in the wealth part, the knights were stranded near earth for close to 15 yrs. It was only recently that they managed to make contact with Mars. So even with Saazbaum and Crutheo's connections with the Emperor it is highly unlikely that they can get any contributions from him in time, most of their equipment were made on the spot from salvaged parts of the former moon base. So basically each Knight had the same starting line.

Other than that it is really well thought out, while it may be true that Vers is lacking in resources, but they do seem to have alot of aldnoah drives. And if each knight is granted limited activation factor by the emperor it is not unthinkable for them to grant it future to their vassals and soldiers in return. At least this is how a feudal society works, a noble further disperse his authority down the line to his followers which he got from the emperor. And the energy source powering the Sky carriers does seem to be derived from the Aldnoah drives, it does not have any exhaust or seem to use any burnable fuel. And yet Vers sees these as perfectly expendable, this is indication that they are not lacking on certain hardware as one might think.

The whole knights competing with each other hold true, as we had seen that there is competition and jealousy within their ranks. UFE's higher up are also shown to be somewhat of a poor leadership, they consistently believe that they are equal to Vers even though most of their successes comes from Inaho, if Vers was any smart (as i.e: Any logical military). They would had struck simultaneously at the HQ while Inaho was busy fighting elsewhere to break the command structure, with orbital bombardment at their disposal and cruise missiles it is easy for them to had wiped out every single surface military facility on Earth.

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Mar 9, 2015 8:29 PM

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I haven't been watching anime "seriously" that long but seeing a thread with so many replies and debates should mean the show has a lot of viewers...at least??

On another note, this episode got good. I don't like Inaho's beeing overpowered and so flat as a character. Those action scenes are meh! to me.
But when Slain strikes, its like watching a Lelouch wannabe, which, in this case isn't so bad. If anything, the politics and the drama surrounding Slaine are pretty well done. Inaho and his bunch can go die a fast death.

First place goes to Lelouch, making his way slowly to second place is Slaine.

Oh, man, you said you prefer Slaine's plotline... Brace for the impact! D:

I agree with Viktor_Otaku in that there's hardly any hidden superstrong artillery on Earth. It won't fit the universe.

The funny thing is that the way the conversation has got, Darklight defends the point that the terrans are able to fight even without Inaho - which somehow cheapens his heroism. It aslo makes the initial statement of martians' superiority inder question. But they could hold only by virtue of the enormity of the task, btw.

And Viktor_Otaku pushes the idea that the Earth holds only because of Inaho. Which makes Vers even more stupid.

It's kind of a vice versa thing.

I have no problem with Earth managing to fight off Vers on its own, I just need to see it myself, but uptill I just see a nameless UFE goon screaming his head off before being crushed by a Martian mech, while as soon as Inaho enters the picture, within 10 mins or so the Martian gets obliterated. This is the main gripe I have with the show, it tries to show something but there is no hard evidence.

The idea that earth have any technological advancement capable of leveling the playing field goes against everything that the show stands for, that Earth and Inaho had managed to win by careful analysis and the enemy's hubris plus a huge slice of luck not getting crushed within the first few seconds and not by more common factors as innate superiority in one category.

Viktor_OtakuMar 9, 2015 8:34 PM

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And yet Vers sees these as perfectly expendable, this is indication that they are not lacking on certain hardware as one might think.

Asteroids should be perfectly mineable. They have the whole Moon and asteroids as a source of minerals. And an unlimited energy for production.

Viktor_Otaku said:
The idea that earth have any technological advancement capable of leveling the playing field goes against everything that the show stands for, that Earth and Inaho had managed to win by careful analysis and the enemy's hubris plus a huge slice of luck not getting crushed within the first few seconds and not by more common factors as innate superiority in one category.

The balance is terrible.
But what to say about a war story, where nobody is bothered with frontline and numbers.

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The balance is terrible.
But what to say about a war story, where nobody is bothered with frontline and numbers.

The quality of it is on par with Pearl Harbour, where the movie was ruined by the crappy 3 way love triangle. In this case it is translated into the whole Slaine and Inaho saga

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It's hilarious how Darklight accuses his detractors of ad hominems and logical fallacies when all of his posts in this forums are full of it. You can't see past your blind hatred of characters to analyze shit that's right in front of you and extend that same blind hatred to people who are fans of said characters.

You don't understand basic concepts like the burden of proof, twist things to suit your own narrow viewpoint and choke on your own bias so hard I'm not surprised that you devolve into shit-slinging and beating your own chest whenever someone posts anything that doesn't fit into your viewpoint.

People like you are the cancer of communities everywhere.

Mar 9, 2015 8:51 PM

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The burden of proof is on Darklight to show that Earth has made any special advances on the battlefield or in other military technology since he is making the claim. Viktor is asserting that since there is no evidence, we cannot logically assume that the Earth has made any special advances outside of what is shown. Darklight's entire reasoning is a textbook example of the composition fallacy in saying that "Earth has higher tech level because one area is more advanced than current earth so we can take this one example and apply it to EVERY SINGLE AREA WE WANT."

Instead, we see a local bazaar in the middle east, cars that still require drivers, inability of the earth side to construct any real space presence, tanks used against the first Aldnoah Kats, and more to suggest that the only advancement by Earth has been to develop Kats in the short 15 year period between Heaven's fall and Episode 1. And guess what, his claim that marito's PTSD VR therapy is something unseen in today's world is groundless. We do have VR therapy and the quality is just as comparable if not better than what we are shown in Marito's. Marito's doesn't even have real color and it's just a polygon world that has John Humeray represented by a blocky, nondescript human body.

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...Maybe in the end the mods will simply ban all users, who are active here. Cause no sane humans would survive here anyway.

Thanks, guys! This shitbath is great.

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...Maybe in the end the mods will simply ban all users, who are active here. Cause no sane humans would survive here anyway.

Thanks, guys! This shitbath is great.

TBH I have yet so enjoy something as cancerous as this since my former career as a Youtube poster.

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Viktor_Otaku said:
And yet Vers sees these as perfectly expendable, this is indication that they are not lacking on certain hardware as one might think.

Asteroids should be perfectly mineable. They have the whole Moon and asteroids as a source of minerals. And an unlimited energy for production.

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This, plus an almost unlimited supply of aldnoah drive. One must wonder why Vers had not capitalized on these yet. It would had been so simple to create simple mechs armed with beam rifles and thrusters, it does not have to be fantasy level of powers.

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REALLY?! THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT!!?? ARE THE WRITERS JUST TURNING INTO A BRAIN-DEAD HORSE OR SOMETHING?!

after episode 21, I was wondering whether orga's dead or not after his mecha got destroyed by Inaho. but his death were uncleared!! What happened then?! ARE THEY REALLY DEAD?!

ALSO AT THE END I THOUGHT IT'S CRUTEO BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HIM!!

GEEZ, THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND REAL FAST!! EVEN SLAINE IS ACTUALLY HIDING OVER EVERYBODY'S BACK INCLUDING BOTH ASSELYUM & LEMRINA!!

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JeffreyZin said:
REALLY?! THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT!!?? ARE THE WRITERS JUST TURNING INTO A BRAIN-DEAD HORSE OR SOMETHING?!

after episode 21, I was wondering whether orga's dead or not after his mecha got destroyed by Inaho. but his death were uncleared!! What happened then?! ARE THEY REALLY DEAD?!

ALSO AT THE END I THOUGHT IT'S CRUTEO BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HIM!!

GEEZ, THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND REAL FAST!! EVEN SLAINE IS ACTUALLY HIDING OVER EVERYBODY'S BACK INCLUDING BOTH ASSELYUM & LEMRINA!!

What do you mean "just". It's been that way for a long time lol

They're definitely dead. Not that it really makes that much of a difference.

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What do you mean "just". It's been that way for a long time lol

I'm gonna be pissed if GC/Valvrave writer is the mastermind behind all of this shit. It's not Urobochi Gen anymore.

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They're definitely dead. Not that it really makes that much of a difference.

IF their finally dead, they would've shown how their died before their mecha got destroyed. This one is just plain dumb. Are those 3 vers were finally defeated or? SMH...

Hell, I seen every sci-fi anime every enemy has their 'last words' before they die.

Will you excuse me over my traumatized feelings over this show anyway..

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Also, has anyone realize that in the end, that blonde guy is NOT Cruteo after all like I said earlier?!

It's confirm that he's already dead since 1st season!!

It makes me facedesk all of the sudden. *sigh*

Why am I the only one who've been posting this but seems that every people are nothing can please me after all...

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Also, has anyone realize that in the end, that blonde guy is NOT Cruteo after all like I said earlier?!

It's confirm that he's already dead since 1st season!!

It makes me facedesk all of the sudden. *sigh*

Why am I the only one who've been posting this but seems that every people are nothing can please me after all...

Most of us already know that it's Cruhteo's son

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Hell, I seen every sci-fi anime every enemy has their 'last words' before they die.

Here is a fun fact. People don't get to have last words when they are inside an exploding robot. You know, cause they are dead. Dead people don't talk. Shocking, I know.

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...Maybe in the end the mods will simply ban all users, who are active here. Cause no sane humans would survive here anyway.

Thanks, guys! This shitbath is great.

That would be the most poetic ending possible to these threads. I bet Tachii already has a list of users saved on his desktop and is waiting for A/Z to be over so he can bring down the banhammer on people like Darklight, OfficialMikoSM, me, Darklight, Dragon_Slayer_X, deadoptimist, Darklight, ANGRY2011, Darklight, swn32, Darklight, Viktor_Otaku, Darklight, and Inugirlz (plus Darklight). Oh yeah and bring that KamiAlice guy down with us too.

Seujair is waiting for us down under, guys.

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deadoptimist said:
...Maybe in the end the mods will simply ban all users, who are active here. Cause no sane humans would survive here anyway.

Thanks, guys! This shitbath is great.

That would be the most poetic ending possible to these threads. I bet Taichii already has a list of users saved on his desktop and is waiting for A/Z to be over so he can bring down the banhammer on people like Darklight, OfficialMikoSM, me, Darklight, Dragon_Slayer_X, deadoptimist, Darklight, ANGRY2011, Darklight, swn32, Darklight, and Inugirlz (plus Darklight). Oh yeah and bring that KamiAlice guy down with us too.

Well put me on the list for I am pretty sure I deserve time out for awhile.

Mar 10, 2015 12:58 AM

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Well put me on the list for I am pretty sure I deserve time out for awhile.

I swear I added you in there. I must have erased you for Darklight and forgot. Fixed.

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