| Was just having a discussion with some people, and i was saying that TTGL, 2 CG's, 2 Hajime no Ippo's, and Kara No Kyokai 5(one show from the series?) all being in the top 10 is ridiculous, and is highly skewered by fanboys, and if i had to recommend to someone a more 'critical' / 'diverse' list, i'd pick animenfo's one over this site's one. I have noticed that MAL has or is better for more newer stuff(like animenfo doesn't have mushishi etc in top 200, which i think is a crime), but the fanboy stuff really kills the rest of the list, especially the top 10. Animenfo list seems to have more of the older classics in the right spot to me. Animenfo also has a review standard/guideline, and you have to write a review etc instead of just clicking 10 or 1 like a fanboy and submit. Is MAL's list mostly catering to shounen fanboys who haven't seen the classics and started watching after naruto/bleach influx? Please share your thoughts concerning this.. yoroshiku. I wonder how many CG/TTGL fanboys are gonna flame me for this, but oh well, bring it. Also, where the f*ck do i put in poll options? Can a mod edit in a poll for me and put the 2 options? |
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ntHai said: I thought MAL's ranking was ridiculous... Then I looked at AnimeNfo's. Anyway I still prefer aniDB's. http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?type.web=1&type.unknown=1&type.tvspecial=1&type.tvseries=1&type.ova=1&type.other=1&type.musicvideo=1&type.movie=1&show=animelist&orderby.rating=0.2&orderby.name=1.1&noalias=0&do.filter=1 This one? I can't seem to find a 'top list' for them. Can you link to it? The other one seems just as ridiculous. 5 Hajime no ippos and 10 LOGH's etc. Or perhaps i need to be registered to see it? -confused- |
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| You have to select "Hide synonyms" (on the right side of the screen). And I gotta agree with ntHai, aniDB's Top 10 is much better than MAL's and AnimeNfo's (actually, I prefer MAL's to ANfo's). |
ex0 said: No, that's the one. I don't know where the hell you're pulling "5 hajime no ippos and 10 LOGHs" from though. Unless you have "hide synonyms" unchecked on the right hand side..?ntHai said: I thought MAL's ranking was ridiculous... Then I looked at AnimeNfo's. Anyway I still prefer aniDB's. http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?type.web=1&type.unknown=1&type.tvspecial=1&type.tvseries=1&type.ova=1&type.other=1&type.musicvideo=1&type.movie=1&show=animelist&orderby.rating=0.2&orderby.name=1.1&noalias=0&do.filter=1 This one? I can't seem to find a 'top list' for them. Can you link to it? The other one seems just as ridiculous. 5 Hajime no ippos and 10 LOGH's etc. Or perhaps i need to be registered to see it? -confused- But yes, I find anidb's top anime list to be the most reliable and accurate, since it has a great mix of anime over the past thirty years (rather than being crammed with the newer stuff and neglecting the old), and it excludes specials and unnecessary remakes (Advent Children). Certainly the most unbiased, and more people should use it as a reference for watching anime. |
Kayro said: You have to select "Hide synonyms" (on the right side of the screen). And I gotta agree with ntHai, aniDB's Top 10 is much better than MAL's and AnimeNfo's (actually, I prefer MAL's to ANfo's). Yeah, anidb's one isn't bad, i don't have anything against it, my main beef is with MAL's top 10, and not to sound like a hater/fanboy of each site, but when i look for what to get, i read reviews to see if the author or person giving rating gives it for the same reasons or not etc, and i think animenfo has the most when it comes to this(since they practically force you to write an essay review to even rate something, but this works against them for the newer shows too, but is great for older shows), and anidb has only a few. One annoying thing that i don't understand is why anidb doesn't have an overall ranking system, it always starts with 1-30. Is there any way to change this? |
ex0Jul 6, 2009 1:41 AM
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| All lists suck.. |
| AnimeNfo is a pretty much dead site. AniDB's Top sucks because they have some weird system of vote counting. For example, LoGH's displayed rating is 9.06 now, while the actual rating is only 8.68. And that's not a huge difference, there's some anime with a displayed rating of 6-something, while the actual rating is higher than 8, and vice versa. So, MAL is superior imo. |
seishi-sama said: AnimeNfo is a pretty much dead site. This. AnimeNFO has no new entries on the list, the site has been rather inactive for at least two years now. MAL's list is far from perfect but at least it does keep up with current series (though having currently airing series on it is retarded). AniDB's isn't bad, though. I like it for the mostpart. It lacks the troll voting, so it's a more realistic list for the community. There are other lists around though, ANN and I think AnimePlanet has one too. ANN's is dominated by dublovers though, so doesn't tend to have as many newer titles. And I've ever actually used AnimePlanet so not sure how their list is, if they have one (I assume they do since they have voting on their db). |
| Lack of trolls, however, only means the site lacks popularity. Though why Hayate no Gotoku is ranked 29 in AniDB is way beyond me. I'd say MAL (just because TTGL is on top, but I guess also a bit disappointed with the massive trolling on LoGH). |
mueske said: ^^This, because there will never be a large consensus on ranking of anime.All lists suck.. Btw, what is going on with the rankings here? I'm pretty sure that SEL and Paranoia Agent have jumped nearly 1000 places as of late (not that I'm complaining)... |
Confucius say man who stand on toilet is high on pot. |
seishi-sama said: I don't know this for certain, but to my understanding it's a balancing system, directed at countering large differences between the number of ratings a show has received - for example, LOGH only has 600 and something, whereas FMA has over 10,000. Though, I have no evidence to support this.AnimeNfo is a pretty much dead site. AniDB's Top sucks because they have some weird system of vote counting. For example, LoGH's displayed rating is 9.06 now, while the actual rating is only 8.68. And that's not a huge difference, there's some anime with a displayed rating of 6-something, while the actual rating is higher than 8, and vice versa. So, MAL is superior imo. |
| I bet there's trolling going on everywhere anyways. |
Baman said: Naturally. It just seems all the immature people have decided to focus their attention on MAL for a while.I bet there's trolling going on everywhere anyways. |
| So because you don't have the same taste as someone that you have to call him a fanboy ? That's so ... Open-minded ... |
HooHirai said: So because you don't have the same taste as someone that you have to call him a fanboy ? That's so ... Open-minded ... Fanboys are those that blindly praise a series and rage against any criticism of it. This does tend to occur a good bit more among shounen fans than other genres. |
| Why does it all matter anyway? |
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| You don't even know the shounen's fan and you're saying they're against criticism because they're shonen fan ? Just wow, that kind of generalization really make me sick, this is just like racism ... And I lol'd when I saw ex0 AnimeList, he havn't seen Gurren Lagann or Mujun Rasen and he's actually saying it is overrated without checking it ? Just lol, what kind of joke is this ? For me Gurren Lagann is overrated, I was really deceived by this show. It is first on top MAL, so ? Does that mean there is a lot of fanboys on MAL ? No I don't think so, this is just the majority's opinion. I just have to accept it, that's all. |
HooHirai said: Actually, the top anime do tend to be trolled fiercely here, so a majority opinion I would not say.For me Gurren Lagann is overrated, I was really deceived by this show. It is first on top MAL, so ? Does that mean there is a lot of fanboys on MAL ? No I don't think so, this is just the majority's opinion. I just have to accept it, that's all. |
Asako said: HooHirai said: So because you don't have the same taste as someone that you have to call him a fanboy ? That's so ... Open-minded ... Fanboys are those that blindly praise a series and rage against any criticism of it. This does tend to occur a good bit more among shounen fans than other genres. Not only series, but sometimes a studio or particular creator as well. Like, Gainax fanboys, or KyoAni fanboys, who think that the series is great by default only because that studio animated it. |
HooHirai said: You don't even know the shounen's fan and you're saying they're against criticism because they're shonen fan ? Just wow, that kind of generalization really make me sick, this is just like racism ... And I lol'd when I saw ex0 AnimeList, he havn't seen Gurren Lagann or Mujun Rasen and he's actually saying it is overrated without checking it ? Just lol, what kind of joke is this ? For me Gurren Lagann is overrated, I was really deceived by this show. It is first on top MAL, so ? Does that mean there is a lot of fanboys on MAL ? No I don't think so, this is just the majority's opinion. I just have to accept it, that's all. I've seen half of it. I think that should be enough to give me the general gist of things. I don't hate it, and i plan on finishing it one day, but i just don't think it should be rated 1st with nearly 40,000 reviews, umm ratings rather.. Anyway, thanks for the replies guys, keep them coming. It's interesting to compare ratings and different systems and like such other things(doing a ms carolina impression ;p). And yeah, i would never talk about something or diss something that i haven't at least tried. That's just ignorance. Also, out of all my circle of friends(who are long time anime fans) who have seen it, none have raved about it hardcore like you would normally expect for such a 'highly rated' series, so i'm pretty sure somethings up. |
ex0Jul 6, 2009 10:02 AM
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| That's right, without the duplicate account Ginei'den would be somewhere in the top 5. So actually the top doesn't really represent the user's opinion ... @ex0 : if you want check out AnimeNewsNetwork's top, Gurren Lagann is not even in the top 10. But Code Geass r2 have the 3rd place ;D |
seishi-sama said: Not only series, but sometimes a studio or particular creator as well. Like, Gainax fanboys, or KyoAni fanboys, who think that the series is great by default only because that studio animated it. Still the same deal. They blindly praise a series because it's made by X studio, and get mad at any criticism of that studio's work. This has definitely been worse in recent years, with KyoAni love particularly. But I think that's just because of fansubs going somewhat 'mainstream' and now streams, allowing much wider access to anime as a whole. It's brought in a plethora of new viewers, who are often a bit more immature than fandom once was (back in animenfo's prime, for instance). |
| Well, I dont think MALs top list sucks that much. I dont really care about which anime is ranked #1 and so on, I just use the list to find new anime and usually most of the top #200 stuff is pretty good. Thats good enough for me. I would like LotGH to get back on the top #30 page though. ex0 said: I've seen half of it. I think that should be enough to give me the general gist of things. I don't hate it, and i plan on finishing it one day, but i just don't think it should be rated 1st with nearly 40,000 reviews, umm ratings rather.. You´ve only seen half? Personally I enjoyed the second half more, so you might like it more if you finish it. |
| While its true that the Fanboy's play a huge roll in what is in the top 10 to me it doesn't matter. I may find things like TTGL and Code Geass R2 not deserving to be in the top 10, but those people do. Anime is opinion based and the newer more popular anime will most likely always be in the top 10. Don't pay to much attention to them, you know what you like and that is all that matters. |
Asako said: Wow. While I may feel the same way to Nike shoes, I've never even cared which studios made which series. Damn, the ridiculousness of fanboys has already reached that stage, huh? :\Still the same deal. They blindly praise a series because it's made by X studio, and get mad at any criticism of that studio's work. This has definitely been worse in recent years, with KyoAni love particularly. But I think that's just because of fansubs going somewhat 'mainstream' and now streams, allowing much wider access to anime as a whole. It's brought in a plethora of new viewers, who are often a bit more immature than fandom once was (back in animenfo's prime, for instance). |
HooHirai said: You don't even know the shounen's fan and you're saying they're against criticism because they're shonen fan ? Just wow, that kind of generalization really make me sick, this is just like racism ... And I lol'd when I saw ex0 AnimeList, he havn't seen Gurren Lagann or Mujun Rasen and he's actually saying it is overrated without checking it ? Just lol, what kind of joke is this ? ? Hahahahahahahahahaha! I haven't had this good of a laugh in a long time. You're not exactly helping the fan-boys case here. :D |
| This is a serious post. You're not allowed to delete it. |
| Well, I sort of smirked when I saw the word racism, but it makes sense. How can someone judge if something is overrated without actually experiencing it? |
burntlettuce said: While its true that the Fanboy's play a huge roll in what is in the top 10 to me it doesn't matter. I may find things like TTGL and Code Geass R2 not deserving to be in the top 10, but those people do. Anime is opinion based and the newer more popular anime will most likely always be in the top 10. Don't pay to much attention to them, you know what you like and that is all that matters. Personally, i don't care because i know what's going on and how to avoid it. But if i were to recommend someone new who's not a fan of anime/manga to go through a top list, i probably wouldn't recommend this one. They'll most likely just come back and say, oh anime/manga is so cliche and rubbish etc etc, it's all the same kiddy shit! And then i'd have to say, oh, it's just kiddy fanboys who skewered the results. There are real gems in there but you'll never find them because of trolls and that's just a bad list. Also, you never know, developers and licensees or producers might check popular anime sites to see what's successful or whatnot. When you consider the state of the current business, rehashes of all done crap and no real creative or diverse series, i do care. I want new Mushishi's and Gits 3rd Gig etc, not the same moe crap that's the same shit but a different color hair or same mecha suits and all that generic crap. At least we still have manga that's relatively uncorrupted. Personally, I blame Pokemon. </rant> Flame away. -_- Well, I sort of smirked when I saw the word racism, but it makes sense. How can someone judge if something is overrated without actually experiencing it? I'm guessing you missed my reply. |
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psgels said: MAL should do the same.ex0 said: They made a conscious decision to delete their top 10, because people were really constantly bitching about it, and trying to influence it by spamming accounts (pretty much what's going on with MAL's toplist at the moment).One annoying thing that i don't understand is why anidb doesn't have an overall ranking system, it always starts with 1-30. Is there any way to change this? |
| @ex0: The thing is that, you are changing, but the anime industry stays relatively static. There's been moe, harem, for quite some time now, and let's face it, if it's always there, it means the profit is good enough so that they will make more. At the same time, this creates a dissatisfaction to a portion of anime viewers who has kept up with anime for some time and looks forward to innovation rather than the same, dry (if not wet) plots. If the industry does happen to dramatically change and is then plagued with tearful dramas or overused plot twists and over-the-top hilariousness/action/gore, etcetc, soon enough, we'd want something else, anyways. The point is that, people want things they don't have. However, the world and reality just happens to not work that way. The industry will continue with their moe, harem, cliched shounen series while we hope for only a single gem that would shine in a few years or so. |
CDRW said: Hahahahahahahahahaha! I haven't had this good of a laugh in a long time. You're not exactly helping the fan-boys case here. :D ... ... What to say ? Ah yeah that's so retarded to posting comment like this which have no argument and doesn't even to respond anything. Typical fanboy/troll's reaction, thank you man your comment was a ridiculous that I have a good time reading this ;) |
HooHiraiBunnyJul 6, 2009 12:53 PM
HooHirai said: ... ... What to say ? Ah yeah that's so retarded to posting comment like this which have no argument and doesn't even to respond anything. Typical fanboy/troll's reaction, thank you man your comment was a ridiculous that I have a good time reading this ;) Nice. About the only other thing you could do to destroy your credibility would be to invoke Godwin's Law. Besides, if you think I'm a troll what on earth are you doing responding to the post? |
| This is a serious post. You're not allowed to delete it. |
what on earth are you doing responding to the post? What am I doing ? I just respond to a Troll, that's all. Oh and if you want gain credibility you should try to find arguments. Just a few ones it will not kill you and you will be less ridiculous ;) |
Tachii said: @ex0: The thing is that, you are changing, but the anime industry stays relatively static. There's been moe, harem, for quite some time now, and let's face it, if it's always there, it means the profit is good enough so that they will make more. At the same time, this creates a dissatisfaction to a portion of anime viewers who has kept up with anime for some time and looks forward to innovation rather than the same, dry (if not wet) plots. If the industry does happen to dramatically change and is then plagued with tearful dramas or overused plot twists and over-the-top hilariousness/action/gore, etcetc, soon enough, we'd want something else, anyways. The point is that, people want things they don't have. However, the world and reality just happens to not work that way. The industry will continue with their moe, harem, cliched shounen series while we hope for only a single gem that would shine in a few years or so. I know what you're saying and i completely agree, but i think it's not just them and we as viewers can all do our part to fix this trend, although it's probably a losing battle(if the current day music/movie industries have shown us anything). The trolls certainly do :p Anyway, i'm feeling really old and deflated now after your post and i didn't mean to derail the thread with my off topic rant(i could probably take it up a notch and go off at capitalism and the state of the world but i won't) so on that note i think i'll watch some cliche anime and go sleep ;[ Can ppl stop trolling my thread please, not everyone speaks english as their first language and not everyone is an 3r33+ forum user and knows net slang. |
ex0Jul 6, 2009 1:17 PM
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This is why you don't respond to trolls. |
| This is a serious post. You're not allowed to delete it. |
tehnominator said: \ Anyway, all anime top 10 lists without Legend of the Galactic Heroes in it automatically fails. ^That's also fanboygirlism. |
| What da, they grouped all the Kara no Kyoukai's movie ? I don't think this a good idea ... Oh well, actually I think Kara no Kyoukai should have been a whole series instead of separate movies ... I wonder if they had separated the movies, what would be Mujun Rasen's rank on ANN top list ..? |
| Imho, MAL is close the best tho not perfect. AniDB's UI sucks. I don't like wasting time with old school sutff that doesn't work. Still, some anime here are overrated while some are underrated. So nothing's perfect. |
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seishi-sama said: I thought that was called stating the obvious? :/tehnominator said: Anyway, all anime top 10 lists without Legend of the Galactic Heroes in it automatically fails. ^That's also fanboygirlism. |
Baman said: seishi-sama said: I thought that was called stating the obvious? :/tehnominator said: Anyway, all anime top 10 lists without Legend of the Galactic Heroes in it automatically fails. ^That's also fanboygirlism. Nothing is obvious when you're arguing about tastes and colors. ;) Or like we say here in Russia, about whose marker pens are tastier. XD But basically, if simply stating that some anime is superior to everything else not necessarily makes you a fanboy, rejecting the possibility of someone disliking that anime always does. Even if it's actually great, critically acclaimed or whatever, and be it LoGH, TTGL, Kara no Kyokai, Ghibli movies or any other random show. :) |
ex0 said: Was just having a discussion with some people, and i was saying that TTGL, 2 CG's, 2 Hajime no Ippo's, and Kara No Kyokai 5(one show from the series?) all being in the top 10 is ridiculous, and is highly skewered by fanboys, and if i had to recommend to someone a more 'critical' / 'diverse' list, i'd pick animenfo's one over this site's one. I have noticed that MAL has or is better for more newer stuff(like animenfo doesn't have mushishi etc in top 200, which i think is a crime), but the fanboy stuff really kills the rest of the list, especially the top 10. Animenfo list seems to have more of the older classics in the right spot to me. Animenfo also has a review standard/guideline, and you have to write a review etc instead of just clicking 10 or 1 like a fanboy and submit. Is MAL's list mostly catering to shounen fanboys who haven't seen the classics and started watching after naruto/bleach influx? Please share your thoughts concerning this.. yoroshiku. I wonder how many CG/TTGL fanboys are gonna flame me for this, but oh well, bring it. Also, where the f*ck do i put in poll options? Can a mod edit in a poll for me and put the 2 options? You actually think the rankings on internet sites really matters? I have only one use for places like here, or AnimeDB or anything similar. I want a brief description of the show just long enough for me to identify the basic genre of the show. Maybe how many eps there are, the date of the show. Beyond that, I never form an opinion till I have watched the first ep. I'm usually correct in my own personal assessment of whether I will like a show after ep 01 |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
| MAL's isn't that accurate IMO, but still better than animenfo's. The fact that LoGH has been trolled off of the top 10 is seriously pathetic, though. No top 10 anime list is complete without it. |
| To me, rankings do kind of matter. It is how I dig up animes to watch. To randomly download one episode and watch it will take way longer than just searching for a new series with a particular rating and up for a particular time. Might not work for everyone, but it works for me. |
mrthalo3 said: lolwutImho, MAL is close the best tho not perfect. AniDB's UI sucks. I don't like wasting time with old school sutff that doesn't work. Baman said: Was just about to say that.seishi-sama said: I thought that was called stating the obvious? :/tehnominator said: Anyway, all anime top 10 lists without Legend of the Galactic Heroes in it automatically fails. ^That's also fanboygirlism. |
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