Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 3 Discussion

fst said:


So what you're saying is, since it's a regular occurrence anyways and they're most definitely not committing genocide, they've done nothing wrong.

Okashi_sama said:
Ahhh, Slaine-sama, the best mecha related character we had since Shinji from EVA. he's probably even better.

Zergneedsfood said:
Greatest and longest lasting empire on Earth minus the Chinese, who also touted the famous "fuck the barbarians." Pretty sure the British Empire did the same thing. Pretty sure America does the same thing.

No empire is ever permanent and their downfall is hardly a function of purely one reason.

Saying that an empire fell and therefore is reason to claim that it "didn't work" is akin to saying that an airplane exploded and is therefore a poor device to fly in. Don't blame the construct, blame the generation responsible.

Zergneedsfood said:
Also, just because an empire fell doesn't mean that their proverbs and aphorisms are irrelevant. Confucius is dead and we still spout his sayings thousands of years later. The empire in which Sun Tzu resided and brought to power is long gone but he is still one of the most important writers in military history.

The same can be said about every American president whose administrations have either been rewritten, reconstructed, or completely disposed of whenever new and different parties come to power, and yet we still cite their so-called "wise" maxims because, believe it or not, old people still have relevant things to say. lomo

seujair31 said:


what kind of drug you use
1 who does the battle of tactics is his servant
2 it uses super powers
3 it uses a super robot, which provides for the future.
4 history of ridiculous background, a robot falls in the bathroom of a prince
5 worst history of torture scene of locks, instead of using instruments of torture, blood and cruelty, used a whip becoming a SM scene, to please yuri fans and female fans
Slaine is the worst character ever created for the mecha genre.
He is a offends all mecha pilots already created.
Slaine along with Makoto Itou of School Days, are the two worst characters already created for anime, it is little wonder that the indece rejection of both is amazing, and are considered the two most hated characters of recent years

seujair31 said:


what kind of drug you use
1 who does the battle of tactics is his servant
2 it uses super powers
3 it uses a super robot, which provides for the future.
4 history of ridiculous background, a robot falls in the bathroom of a prince
5 worst history of torture scene of locks, instead of using instruments of torture, blood and cruelty, used a whip becoming a SM scene, to please yuri fans and female fans
Slaine is the worst character ever created for the mecha genre.
He is a offends all mecha pilots already created.
Slaine along with Makoto Itou of School Days, are the two worst characters already created for anime, it is little wonder that the indece rejection of both is amazing, and are considered the two most hated characters of recent years

Zergneedsfood said:
Makoto lived a great life. What a great character. Cry harder. He got more pussy than most people here ever will. #worth

Characters misaligning with people's "moral" proclivities doesn't mean they're bad characters.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


No, I'm saying that the Vers killed civilians in a random castle drop, and as a result committed a war crime, which still a tragedy. I'm saying that the Vers have only been shown trying to kill military personnel for a very large majority of the series, rather than hunting for every single last Terran on the planet and killing them all. I'm saying that if the Vers army was all about Terran genocide, then Slaine would've been killed on the spot, once discovered, and without mercy.

Whether they committed a wrong deed depends on whether, or not, one can, or can't, separate their thinking and their morality.

Morally, I think it's a f*cked up tragedy. Thinking, outside morality, it's a pretty good morale breaker; showing the enemy that they could've done this any time the wanted, and could've done this to a major city at that.

seujair31 said:


what kind of drug you use
1 who does the battle of tactics is his servant
2 it uses super powers
3 it uses a super robot, which provides for the future.
4 history of ridiculous background, a robot falls in the bathroom of a prince
5 worst history of torture scene of locks, instead of using instruments of torture, blood and cruelty, used a whip becoming a SM scene, to please yuri fans and female fans
Slaine is the worst character ever created for the mecha genre.
He is a offends all mecha pilots already created.
Slaine along with Makoto Itou of School Days, are the two worst characters already created for anime, it is little wonder that the indece rejection of both is amazing, and are considered the two most hated characters of recent years

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


What? Slain just a New Type-ripoff; you act like this the first time a main character in a mecha anime was given special powers.

Also, it still takes skill to coordinate that trap he pulled off, and to properly use his powers.

I honestly don't see the big deal. We needed SOMEONE to be able to challenge Inaho, who not only was a beast before, but is now given a cybernetic eye that let's him think like a super computer. Now that we have such a character it's suddenly a bad thing? Really?

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


What? Slain just a New Type-ripoff; you act like this the first time a main character in a mecha anime was given special powers.

Also, it still takes skill to coordinate that trap he pulled off, and to properly use his powers.

I honestly don't see the big deal. We needed SOMEONE to be able to challenge Inaho, who not only was a beast before, but is now given a cybernetic eye that let's him think like a super computer. Now that we have such a character it's suddenly a bad thing? Really?

Darklight0303 said:


You just lost every shred of credibility with that example. Now I can ignore every single post you ever say

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


^^^^

This is what happens when you become TOO invested in your favorite characters.

I don't get the irrational Slaine hate. I like Slaine's character the most, out of all the characters, but that doesn't keep me from also liking Inaho, and seeing him as an interesting character as well.

Feaor said:
I really don't get why people get so hung up on likability of characters, just because a character isn't likable doesn't mean they are a bad character.

KokkoStar said:

So every character who isn't a do-gooder is bad? Makoto is very well written, believe it or not, people cheat IRL.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


No, I'm saying that the Vers killed civilians in a random castle drop, and as a result committed a war crime, which still a tragedy. I'm saying that the Vers have only been shown trying to kill military personnel for a very large majority of the series, rather than hunting for every single last Terran on the planet and killing them all. I'm saying that if the Vers army was all about Terran genocide, then Slaine would've been killed on the spot, once discovered, and without mercy.

Whether they committed a wrong deed depends on whether, or not, one can, or can't, separate their thinking and their morality.

Morally, I think it's a f*cked up tragedy. Thinking, outside morality, it's a pretty good morale breaker; showing the enemy that they could've done this any time the wanted, and could've done this to a major city at that.

fst said:


They attacked a refugee base in Siberia.

LucasRTS said:
You can't use "Makoto" and "well written" in the same sentence.

KokkoStar said:

So every character who isn't a do-gooder is bad? Makoto is very well written, believe it or not, people cheat IRL.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


That was a refugee base? You mean the city of Novosibirsk, the United Forces of Earth Headquarters.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


In his mind, Griffith is one of the worst written characters ever. Because he's a bad man.

blackbishop said:
That wasn't a random castle drop, I'm sure they knew where they would land and they didn't care because they were just humans and would mean less people to kill or capture by themselves.

These guys aren't going to just randomly drop their castles, they are professional soldiers and I'm sure they looked at the best possible land zones according to their equipment just like any armed force would do in a similar case.

Also, another missing explanation is what they do with the terrans who dare to surrender. With the extreme hate the martians have over terrans I don't think they live too long. Just watching how they treat Slaine(and he is arguably not an enemy because he has always worked for them) makes me wonder how long they live after giving up.

BenMS said:
I'll be glad when Urobuchi writes again - the first 3 episodes were actually decent (and the few after who used what Urobuchi established). Those in-between episodes are slowly starting to move into bullshit territory.

julyachan said:
The last 3 huh?
Thanks god then.

deadoptimist said:
Before I start to go through this thread, I must say that the fact that Slaine uses Tharsis's ability is not an argument to denegrade him. Fighting is about using tools. People don't shoot out of their palms too. And Inaho uses some lind of unheard of alien technology. Find other arguments.
The fact that Harklight did the calculations for orbit is strange. But it seems that Harklight is into calculations.

Other than that I am disappointed. I won't start to hate Slaine, since he is mildly entertaining and Inaho is now on a level of talking toster, so he and the whole boring crew are simply painful to watch, but I am close to hating him. I might drop this after I see Slaine into count's attire in the next episode. The writers are unbelieveably bad and one-trick.
The dynamics between Slaine and martian count adopted father was a thing to die for. Couldn't they let Saazbaum die on his own and later? Slaine's love life isn't worth to lose such a character and such an ally.

The fighting scenes are inane though. Usually I am willing to overlook it, but not the fialings of this extent. Deucalion harming the martians base? Why is it not protected?
What were the two other counts doing?
Why didn't anyone notice Slaine's betrayal? He must've moved Dioscuria from the second volley. And I don't buy Dioscuria failing so easily. Why didn't anyone help Saazbaum?

And for the god's sake - why do only martians die now? And why do they die from one round? Sure, it's Inaho, but there is such thing as armor. And yeah, Inaho is a supercomputing toster now, but there still should be unexpected variables, cause, you know, multiple scenarios, multiple factors. He is not a Skynet. And why don't martians evade his attacks, because no matter the calcualtions, they can see his posotion and suspect the possible shooting angles too? Why can't they divert him? Why can't they kill other terrans? And the goddamned technical limitations like the time between shots. Ahh, so frustratingly stupid, so much fanservice.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:
That was a refugee base? You mean the city of Novosibirsk, the United Forces of Earth Headquarters.

deadoptimist said:


Novostalsk, that was Novostalsk, not Novosibirsk, sadly.

deadoptimist said:
Before I start to go through this thread, I must say that the fact that Slaine uses Tharsis's ability is not an argument to denegrade him. Fighting is about using tools. People don't shoot out of their palms too. And Inaho uses some lind of unheard of alien technology. Find other arguments.
The fact that Harklight did the calculations for orbit is strange. But it seems that Harklight is into calculations.

Other than that I am disappointed. I won't start to hate Slaine, since he is mildly entertaining and Inaho is now on a level of talking toster, so he and the whole boring crew are simply painful to watch, but I am close to hating him. I might drop this after I see Slaine into count's attire in the next episode. The writers are unbelieveably bad and one-trick.
The dynamics between Slaine and martian count adopted father was a thing to die for. Couldn't they let Saazbaum die on his own and later? Slaine's love life isn't worth to lose such a character and such an ally.

The fighting scenes are inane though. Usually I am willing to overlook it, but not the fialings of this extent. Deucalion harming the martians base? Why is it not protected?
What were the two other counts doing?
Why didn't anyone notice Slaine's betrayal? He must've moved Dioscuria from the second volley. And I don't buy Dioscuria failing so easily. Why didn't anyone help Saazbaum?

And for the god's sake - why do only martians die now? And why do they die from one round? Sure, it's Inaho, but there is such thing as armor. And yeah, Inaho is a supercomputing toster now, but there still should be unexpected variables, cause, you know, multiple scenarios, multiple factors. He is not a Skynet. And why don't martians evade his attacks, because no matter the calcualtions, they can see his posotion and suspect the possible shooting angles too? Why can't they divert him? Why can't they kill other terrans? And the goddamned technical limitations like the time between shots. Ahh, so frustratingly stupid, so much fanservice.

bastek66 said:


Don't believe in anything you read here. He isn't coming back. He doesn't like what happened with characters.

Xway101 said:
Wait. When was the Deucalion harming the martians base? I don't remember them going close to it, not directly anyways. And the counts were probably trying to defend the base and leaving it all to the Saazbaum.

Xway101 said:
The whole point of Slaine's character in my opinion is his twisted mind. He's convinced himself that he's doing everything for the sake of Princess Asseylum.

Samu-tan said:
Hahahahaahha, this episode was absolutely hilarious. Slaine Saazbaum Troyard hakushaku, oh man. I haven't laughed that hard at anything for a while.

Kind of sad how the show got this shitty, while the first 3 episodes of S1 were so incredibly good.

Samu-tan said:
Kind of sad how the show got this shitty, while the first 3 episodes of S1 were so incredibly good.

deadoptimist said:

At 15:10 they fire at the Marineros base. Counts cringe, but where are automatic defense system, like antimissile protection or shields? Cause, you know, they're technically superior, and technical superiority implies denser armor, better voids.


But giving him more friendly interactions with martians would be good from all points of view. Sadly the writer can't into complexity.

seujair31 said:
So looking at the curriculum of the guys, no work with anything like mecha. Most jobs, facing shojo and female gender
http://myanimelist.net/people/2519/Shimura_Takako
http://myanimelist.net/people/2519/Shimura_Takako

deadoptimist said:
And fine, Dioscuria has a point not covered by the field, but why can't you make it armored as hell by normal armor? So that one round won't harm you, and you'll move, so that there won't be the second one. The count knows, where the weak point is, so he can protect it too, by his plasma sword, for example. Like, modern tanks can protect themselves with the explosive packages on their armor, so why can't futuristic kats?
It's not a game of tag, where one hit is game over. And the beast like Dioscuria shouldn't fall in five minutes.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


1) I've perplexed by the Vers army's lack of "superior technology" as well.

2) You'd think after 19 months the Martians would be on friendlier terms with Slaine. It makes no sense why the Vers army, for the most part, still see the Terrans so poorly when their best Knight is a Terran.