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CookingPriest said: Darklight0303 said: Because Inaho and the Terrans are DEFENDING. THe princess never told Earth to surrender. She acknowledged their right to defend their homes. The martians are the invaders. They are in the wrong regardless of reasons. Not to mention Inaho is NOT the one who is instigating the war now. That goes without saying |
neurogal91 said: TheIMF said: You haven nothing to base this on. Slaine is essentially a free agent. There is nothing to suggests he wants to take over the Vers Empire or conquer Earth. As Slaine has said himself, he has no dreams, and as the writers noted last season, he lives by a maxim entirely in service to Asseylum. We know nothing, and yet some of you see fit to make huge assumptions based on nothing but inference as to what Slaine's intentions are or what Asseylum would think of his actions. In this episode it is clear that Slaine had a dream, or he would have not killed Saazbaum just to get his rank when Saazbaum is protecting him from other counts. Sure we are still not sure what Slaine's endgame here, but it's obvious he wants to change Vers. And the simple fact is we all know Asseylum would not like to hear that Slaine had continue the war for 2 years now, but he is still doing it. Look I love Slaine, but he is now the anti-hero of the series and might be the final villain that needs to be taken down by Inaho. What I like about Slaine is that he had no delusions that the things he is doing is evil and he might be punished for it in the future. Except we have no proof for bolded part. If anything, going by his talk at princess pod last ep Slaine genuinely believes to be in the right and that Princess would forgive him and would smile again. Which won't happen. He is delusional, just on even more grand scale than his stalker obsession is. |
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Darklight0303 said: Because Inaho and the Terrans are DEFENDING. THe princess never told Earth to surrender. She acknowledged their right to defend their homes. The martians are the invaders. They are in the wrong regardless of reasons. I see my post went over your head. No one is constesting that the Martians are in the wrong. That's obvious. The point I was trying to make is that this entire conflict is beyond Slaine's or Inaho's power to stop. Neither of them are guilty for fighting for their respective side if that is the only means to protect the loved ones. If Asseylum is the key to ending the war, then Slaine's participation in it in order to protect her while she is recovering is a necessary sacrifice to make for the greater good - a sacrifice you sure as hell know Inaho would make as well. |
| So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? |
julyachan said: seujair31 said: sim sou brasileiro, de sc florianopolis, moro na italia, mais ate o começo de março estarei aqui no brasil, de licença para fazer um cirugia no pé AEEEEE heuehuehuehuehhebrbrbr sou de Belo Horizonte. Legal achar alguém que fala português aqui no fórum. Acho engaçado o ódio extremo pelo Slaine aqui. Sei que ele é um personagem que fez merda, mas não significa que ele não vá fazer algo bom daqui pra frente. kkkkk ;) na real eu sou fan do genero mecha, porra mais não da para aceitar no episodio 12 Slaine entrou naquele robo, e começou a pilotar como um profissional, mesmo Kira quando pilotou um robo pela primeira vez teve dificuldade com os controles, inclusive caiu de bunda no chão com o robo. Fan de mecha não gosta muito, quando um personagem, é atribuido super podere, e um super robo que faz todo o trabalho do piloto. |
Darklight0303 said: neurogal91 said: This is not quite true. Even if Saazbaum died, there are still his loyal faction which would continue to carry out Saazbaum's ideal. They would continue to attempt to assasinate Asseylum, create new propaganda for war on Earth and maybe a revolution to take down the Emperor. There was no way the war would be completely stopped even if Slaine did not save Saazbaum. In fact if Asseylum came back to Mars unhamed it would only create more internal strife among the Vers empire. It is stupid to think everything will be fine had the mission was successful. If there was a majority in that, they would not have had to stage the princess's assassination to motivate the knights to act. The fact that Sazbaum resorted to the assassination, proves that the knights were NOT united in their desire to conquer Earth. So first Sazbaum used Asseylum's death to promote the war to all. And now in season two Slaine is using her image and words via an impostor to do the same. No matter how you cut it, it's wrong and villain behavior. 1) They wanted war, as we don't see any Martians hesitant to fight. It's just that they were likely waiting on word from the monarchy, as they are still soldiers at the end of the day. Saazbaum's goal was to conquer Earth for its resources to save his people, and he was likely done waiting for his people to starve after 15+ years of orbiting his objective. Yes, Asseylum was used to be the catalyst that forced the crown's hand and restart the war, but it's not war for war's sake like you make it seem to be. 2) Slaine is doing what any smart person in his position would, especially seeing as he could be killed by uppity Martians at any time. |
| The writing in these first 3 episodes have been just bad...... just bad....... . geesh |
fst said: So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? Slaine is Nina. Dragon_Slayer_X said: fst said: So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? Suzaku -2.0! I am pretty sure Suzaku is crying tears of joy because someone replaced him after a long tim. Shitzaku still made SOME right decisions. Slaine on other hand.... |
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| calling it now, counts alive |
| So I'm guessing since blood isn't enough to activate Aldnoah the Emperor just went around kissing orbital knights? |
CookingPriest said: neurogal91 said: In this episode it is clear that Slaine had a dream, or he would have not killed Saazbaum just to get his rank when Saazbaum is protecting him from other counts. Sure we are still not sure what Slaine's endgame here, but it's obvious he wants to change Vers. And the simple fact is we all know Asseylum would not like to hear that Slaine had continue the war for 2 years now, but he is still doing it. Look I love Slaine, but he is now the anti-hero of the series and might be the final villain that needs to be taken down by Inaho. What I like about Slaine is that he had no delusions that the things he is doing is evil and he might be punished for it in the future. Except we have no proof for bolded part. If anything, going by his talk at princess pod last ep Slaine genuinely believes to be in the right and that Princess would forgive him and would smile again. Which won't happen. He is delusional, just on even more grand scale than his stalker obsession is. During his talk with Lemrina he never once rejected the notion that he was just using her; all he did was show her that he knows what it feels to be considered the equivalent to nothing, and that he understands her. He never hides that fact, and, again, never interrupts/refutes her accusations when she verbally reprimands him. I still don't see where all this "he's delusional" talk comes from. He loves Asseylum, and wants to keep her safe, but that's separate from his current goal. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: CookingPriest said: Except we have no proof for bolded part. If anything, going by his talk at princess pod last ep Slaine genuinely believes to be in the right and that Princess would forgive him and would smile again. Which won't happen. He is delusional, just on even more grand scale than his stalker obsession is. During his talk with Lemrina he never once rejected the notion that he was just using her; all he did was show her that he knows what it feels to be considered the equivalent to nothing, and that he understands her. He never hides that fact, and, again, never interrupts/refutes her accusations when she verbally reprimands him. I still don't see where all this "he's delusional" talk comes from. He loves Asseylum, and wants to keep her safe, but that's separate from his current goal. If he as self-aware he would not be asking whether princess would be "sad" for him attacking Deucalion nor claim that Princess will smile for them once again. |
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Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Darklight0303 said: If there was a majority in that, they would not have had to stage the princess's assassination to motivate the knights to act. The fact that Sazbaum resorted to the assassination, proves that the knights were NOT united in their desire to conquer Earth. So first Sazbaum used Asseylum's death to promote the war to all. And now in season two Slaine is using her image and words via an impostor to do the same. No matter how you cut it, it's wrong and villain behavior. 1) They wanted war, as we don't see any Martians hesitant to fight. It's just that they were likely waiting on word from the monarchy, as they are still soldiers at the end of the day. Saazbaum's goal was to conquer Earth for its resources to save his people, and he was likely done waiting for his people to starve after 15+ years of orbiting his objective. Yes, Asseylum was used to be the catalyst that forced the crown's hand and restart the war, but it's not war for war's sake like you make it seem to be. 2) Slaine is doing what any smart person in his position would, especially seeing as he could be killed by uppity Martians at any time. Because Trade was never an option right? The fact that you think this invasion is justified in any manner is the most ridiculous notion I've heard in years. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Darklight0303 said: If there was a majority in that, they would not have had to stage the princess's assassination to motivate the knights to act. The fact that Sazbaum resorted to the assassination, proves that the knights were NOT united in their desire to conquer Earth. So first Sazbaum used Asseylum's death to promote the war to all. And now in season two Slaine is using her image and words via an impostor to do the same. No matter how you cut it, it's wrong and villain behavior. 1) They wanted war, as we don't see any Martians hesitant to fight. It's just that they were likely waiting on word from the monarchy, as they are still soldiers at the end of the day. Saazbaum's goal was to conquer Earth for its resources to save his people, and he was likely done waiting for his people to starve after 15+ years of orbiting his objective. Yes, Asseylum was used to be the catalyst that forced the crown's hand and restart the war, but it's not war for war's sake like you make it seem to be. 2) Slaine is doing what any smart person in his position would, especially seeing as he could be killed by uppity Martians at any time. you expect Slaine get peace on mars just offering powder wind. Faceless land resources Mars did not survive long, to declare war against the earth, the peace agreement were to space. How do you think Slaine will bring peace to Mars, if he can not afford to offer, |
| Slaine did something worthy of my praise. He still sucks though. |
| I'd like to start by saying that I have mad respect for Slaine now....The kid really stepped his game up Glad to see that they cleared up the whole theory about how Inaho can use Aldnoah so hopefully all the fuss about that will come to and end and peoplecan move on, same with Slaine seeing the future (Confirmed that it's the mech that does it) I'm not sure how anyone else feels but I for one really liked Saucebum and what he did for Slaine in this episode reminded me of why I like him (Speaking of which that blonde count is a cunt and I hope Slaine kills him) The Rayet moments on and off the battle were great, I liked seeing more of the characterization for Inaho and the fake princess is still annoying. Inaho vs Slaine and Saaz was pretty awesome, and as I stated earlier, Slaine got mad props from me.....As much as I love Inaho, if it wasn't for Inko he would have died. And that conclusion of the battle.....The last few mins were just epic....Slaine deserves at least a little respect for everything that was said and done in the last 3-4 mins R.I.P Sauceboom and Count Slaine Saazbaum Troyard, do not disappoint me 5/5 |
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CookingPriest said: fst said: So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? Slaine is Nina. I weep for table-kun |
| Damn, I didn't like Slaine that much in the first season but now he has become much more manipulating and savvy, love it. |
| Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
fst said: CookingPriest said: Slaine is Nina. I weep for table-kun Harklight is Table-kun |
fst said: CookingPriest said: Slaine is Nina. I weep for table-kun Table-kun is Asseylum's pod. Its basically a big dakimakura now. |
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| All the females in this anime are annoying. GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!!! |
CookingPriest said: fst said: I weep for table-kun Table-kun is Asseylum's pod. Its basically a big dakimakura now. Nah the pod is the equivalent of the picture Nina was using only far more vivid in Slaine's case. |
CookingPriest said: fst said: So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? Slaine is Nina. Dragon_Slayer_X said: Suzaku -2.0! I am pretty sure Suzaku is crying tears of joy because someone replaced him after a long tim. Shitzaku still made SOME right decisions. Slaine on other hand.... Slaine has also made good decisions in furthering his goals. Not only has he taken out the person most likely to attempt kill Asseylum, again, he waited to do so at the perfect time, which served to elevate his status to Count. Also, if Inko hadn't showed up to save Inaho, Slaine would've/might've killed Inaho as well, ridding him, and the Vers army, of a very dangerous adversary. He's also in the best position to establish equality among the Martian community, and peace between the Terrans and Martians, if he still wants to fulfill Asseylum's dream. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: CookingPriest said: Slaine is Nina. Shitzaku still made SOME right decisions. Slaine on other hand.... Slaine has also made good decisions in furthering his goals. Not only has he taken out the person most likely to attempt kill Asseylum, again, he waited to do so at the perfect time, which served to elevate his status to Count. Also, if Inko hadn't showed up to save Inaho, Slaine would've/might've killed Inaho as well, ridding him, and the Vers army, of a very dangerous adversary. He's also in the best position to establish equality among the Martian community, and peace between the Terrans and Martians, if he still wants to fulfill Asseylum's dream. So Slaine wants to help lower-class citizens of Mars by killing the aristocracy and solve all resource scarcity problems by killing people on Earth and take it again. |
fst said: Kururugi 2.0So is Slaine Suzaku, Lelouche, or both? |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: CookingPriest said: Slaine is Nina. Shitzaku still made SOME right decisions. Slaine on other hand.... Slaine has also made good decisions in furthering his goals. Not only has he taken out the person most likely to attempt kill Asseylum, again, he waited to do so at the perfect time, which served to elevate his status to Count. Also, if Inko hadn't showed up to save Inaho, Slaine would've/might've killed Inaho as well, ridding him, and the Vers army, of a very dangerous adversary. He's also in the best position to establish equality among the Martian community, and peace between the Terrans and Martians, if he still wants to fulfill Asseylum's dream. Only his definition of peace involves conquering earth. The very thing that goes AGAINST the princess' wishes on a fundamental level. Wake up and smell the coffee already. |
| So how do you guys think the Tharsis will be beaten (if even) since it can pretty much see the future? |
| Hope he will get punish for his deed, patricide is a immoral crime. If he gonna off the aristocratic, be sure to kill yourself since you're one now. Hopefully, some Martian witness what happened and Slaine will get another good whipping. |
Knight-Artorias said: So how do you guys think the Tharsis will be beaten (if even) since it can pretty much see the future? It has a time limit. Once that's over, Slaine is flying a normal Kataphract and doesn't have the dodging ability. Inaho will find a way to outlast that and then finish Slaine off most likely when that timer runs out. seujair31 said: Hope he will get punish for his deed, patricide is a immoral crime. If he gonna off the aristocratic, be sure to kill yourself since you're one now. Hopefully, some Martian witness what happened and Slaine will get another good whipping. Oh don't worry. Lemrina will likely find the truth and then Blackmail Slaine. She's untouchable after all until the Princess wakes up and when she does she won't help Slaine. |
Darklight0303 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: 1) They wanted war, as we don't see any Martians hesitant to fight. It's just that they were likely waiting on word from the monarchy, as they are still soldiers at the end of the day. Saazbaum's goal was to conquer Earth for its resources to save his people, and he was likely done waiting for his people to starve after 15+ years of orbiting his objective. Yes, Asseylum was used to be the catalyst that forced the crown's hand and restart the war, but it's not war for war's sake like you make it seem to be. 2) Slaine is doing what any smart person in his position would, especially seeing as he could be killed by uppity Martians at any time. Because Trade was never an option right? The fact that you think this invasion is justified in any manner is the most ridiculous notion I've heard in years. Trade how? 1) The army is said to be stranded in the Earth's orbit. 2) The Martians hate the Terrans, and the monarchy they serves only continue to force the issue. Yes, Saazbaum and Slaine are using this hate to their advantage, but that's only because it's not even close to easy to erase decades of hate, and blind patriotism. |
| I want the martians to win. is that wrong? |
   I envy your delusion; I wish I could live in it  |
| This doesnt feel like a conquer prevention anymore. It feels like they are just having slice of life with fanservice, and then at the end, both sides decide to have a battle to meet the action genre tag, and then repeat the process next episode. |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Darklight0303 said: Because Trade was never an option right? The fact that you think this invasion is justified in any manner is the most ridiculous notion I've heard in years. Trade how? 1) The army is said to be stranded in the Earth's orbit. 2) The Martians hate the Terrans, and the monarchy they serves only continue to force the issue. Yes, Saazbaum and Slaine are using this hate to their advantage, but that's only because it's not even close to easy to erase decades of hate, and blind patriotism. That still doesn't give them the right to come to earth and take over. Boo hoo indoctrination happened. That's your own fault for falling in line like a sheep and not thinking for yourself. Protaku94 said: I want the martians to win. is that wrong? Yes it is |
Darklight0303 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Trade how? 1) The army is said to be stranded in the Earth's orbit. 2) The Martians hate the Terrans, and the monarchy they serves only continue to force the issue. Yes, Saazbaum and Slaine are using this hate to their advantage, but that's only because it's not even close to easy to erase decades of hate, and blind patriotism. That still doesn't give them the right to come to earth and take over. Boo hoo indoctrination happened. That's your own fault for falling in line like a sheep and not thinking for yourself. Protaku94 said: I want the martians to win. is that wrong? Yes it is But, Martian are more fun :D |
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seujair31 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Slaine has also made good decisions in furthering his goals. Not only has he taken out the person most likely to attempt kill Asseylum, again, he waited to do so at the perfect time, which served to elevate his status to Count. Also, if Inko hadn't showed up to save Inaho, Slaine would've/might've killed Inaho as well, ridding him, and the Vers army, of a very dangerous adversary. He's also in the best position to establish equality among the Martian community, and peace between the Terrans and Martians, if he still wants to fulfill Asseylum's dream. So Slaine wants to help lower-class citizens of Mars by killing the aristocracy and solve all resource scarcity problems by killing people on Earth and take it again. 1) Slaine wants to spread the power of the Aldnoah to all Martian citizens; he never said anything about killing all of the aristocracy. 2) He wants to win the war, and then take control of the Earth's resources; he's doesn't have to commit genocide to do that. |
Darklight0303 said: Knight-Artorias said: So how do you guys think the Tharsis will be beaten (if even) since it can pretty much see the future? It has a time limit. Once that's over, Slaine is flying a normal Kataphract and doesn't have the dodging ability. Inaho will find a way to outlast that and then finish Slaine off most likely when that timer runs out. If the time limit is the clock that was shown when he was firing his shots so they fall during his fight, then that a whole 6 hours. |
| The clock was predicted time for bullets to fly around the earth NOT time limit -_- |
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Darklight0303 said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Slaine has also made good decisions in furthering his goals. Not only has he taken out the person most likely to attempt kill Asseylum, again, he waited to do so at the perfect time, which served to elevate his status to Count. Also, if Inko hadn't showed up to save Inaho, Slaine would've/might've killed Inaho as well, ridding him, and the Vers army, of a very dangerous adversary. He's also in the best position to establish equality among the Martian community, and peace between the Terrans and Martians, if he still wants to fulfill Asseylum's dream. Only his definition of peace involves conquering earth. The very thing that goes AGAINST the princess' wishes on a fundamental level. Wake up and smell the coffee already. That's because Asseylum is stupidly naive, idealistic and criminally ignorant of her own family's role in the war starting in the first place. Also, she seems to care more about Terrans on Earth, than her own subjects. If she did, she wouldn't have been as stupid as to try and promote peace, without even considering her people's feelings. |
CookingPriest said: The clock was predicted time for bullets to fly around the earth NOT time limit -_- Also in theory that trick could be used against Tharsis as well |
CookingPriest said: The clock was predicted time for bullets to fly around the earth NOT time limit -_- If so then we don't know if the Tharsis has a time limit which brings us to square one how is he goin to get his ass kicked. |
| Hmm, they're playing Chess, the game of the intelligent. Count Barouhcruz and Count Marylcian are dicks to Slaine. Good thing Count Saazbaum became Slaine's father. Calm knows a bit about Norse Mythology. Rayet is a tsundere. And the fight begins! Dat support by Inaho; no need for umbrella. Another Inaho vs Slaine fight! But then Saazbaum intervenes with the cost of his life. "Goodbye, Father." Slaine still doesn't forgive Saazbaum. Because of that, Count Slaine Saazbaum Troyard is born, with Harklight by his side. |
I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling. |
Knight-Artorias said: Darklight0303 said: It has a time limit. Once that's over, Slaine is flying a normal Kataphract and doesn't have the dodging ability. Inaho will find a way to outlast that and then finish Slaine off most likely when that timer runs out. If the time limit is the clock that was shown when he was firing his shots so they fall during his fight, then that a whole 6 hours. Exactly. How will Inaho outlast that mech for 6 hours. He could barely last 10-20min this ep. |
Fireego said: Hmm, they're playing Chess, the game of the intelligent. Count Barouhcruz and Count Marylcian are dicks to Slaine. Good thing Count Saazbaum became Slaine's Father. Calm knows a bit about Norse Mythology. Rayet is a tsundere. And the fight begins! Dat support by Inaho; no need for umbrella. Another Inaho vs Slaine fight! But then Saazbaum intervenes with the cost of his life. "Goodbye, Father." Slaine still doesn't forgive Saazbaum. Because of that, Count Slaine Saazbaum Troyard is born, with Harklight by his side. Ever Count beside Saaz was a dick to Slaine |
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: 2) He wants to win the war, and then take control of the Earth's resources; he's doesn't have to commit genocide to do that. Yea, about that... |
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