yazio said: Gator said: I second Claymore. -1 to Claymore start off a second season before it changes in the battle of the north: recap 1st episode up to that point then continue. or remake the entire series. either way claymore deserves a complete adaptaion berserk needs one too. a complete adapation. with 300+ chapters you have several seasons before the anime would get even close to where the manga is. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm not saying it is bad, I think it is actually a really good show. It just didn't do well in Japan, that's what I'm saying.Milk_is_Special said: The anime did pretty bad in Japan. Noone wondering why not doing well in japan means it's objectively shit? Or How alleged success in the US is the only exception to this? Imo it's a waste of time to indulge in an argument that started off as another of sullynathans nonsensical statements. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm not saying it is bad, I think it is actually a really good show. It just didn't do well in Japan, that's what I'm saying.Noone wondering why not doing well in japan means it's objectively shit? Or How alleged success in the US is the only exception to this? Imo it's a waste of time to indulge in an argument that started off as another of sullynathans nonsensical statements. So you're just spamming and repeating a statement that was already part of what you quoted? I shouldn't be surprised after seeing how much fun you had with that quote pyramid. Anyway I was just pointing out that the whole argument is based on the statement that "If an anime deserves a 2nd season but doesn't get one, it means it's objectively shit." and wondering if that was actually worth elaborating on. Apparently it is... |
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| Forget second season, I'm still waiting for the third season of Spice and Wolf. |
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| but they do, look at fairy tail and clannad |
| 1.Not enough lolis 2.Not enough pedophilia 3.Not enough rape 4.MC is not useless 5.MC is not dumb as a fucking rock 6.Anime has a good plot Those are the reasons why good anime never get second seasons. |
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| Still waiting for Hataraku Maou-sama Season 2 ;-; |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Because a lot of them don't need a second season. |
| MAL: A community that thinks every anime is bad, but rates everything a 7/10. |
EdenB said: anyway, why do good animes never get a second season? Because a lot of Anime are produced solely to promote LN/VN/Manga sales in Japan. Spice and Wolf is a notoriously good example. |
robis798 said: If anyone could explain me why Berserk doesn't have a sequel or new adaptation already? I honestly don't know since it is 1st in MAL manga list. Berserk would need a remake since the old version left out many important scenes to the rest of the character, as well as a major character (you wouldn't understand what happenes directly after the end of the anime with those cuts, so even if it did continue a bit longer it would have had no choice but to deviate from the manga). Doing justice to a long-running, extremely gorey seinen manga is something that's never really been done before to my knowledge. Gantz and Blade of the Immortal for example have much longer manga storylines that never got covered because the point of the adaptations was to get you to buy those manga volumes. |
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| I just wish someday Btooom! and WCW will get their 2nd Season. OT: someday it's Budget issue, rating issue, or original material issue. |
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Lancehot said: gedata said: Berserk would need a remake since the old version left out many important scenes to the rest of the character, as well as a major character (you wouldn't understand what happenes directly after the end of the anime with those cuts, so even if it did continue a bit longer it would have had no choice but to deviate from the manga). Doing justice to a long-running, extremely gorey seinen manga is something that's never really been done before to my knowledge. Gantz and Blade of the Immortal for example have much longer manga storylines that never got covered because the point of the adaptations was to get you to buy those manga volumes. Berserk has had the Golden Age arc remade into three films with the intention of retelling the story to include said omissions, ready for further installments over the coming years. The original animation never really intended to go beyond the golden age arc. So while omitting characters like puck & the skull knight left some notable gaps, it was intentional & for the most part made sense, imo. I don't mind the omissions tbqh, nothing they cut damaged the story that was presented so it was fine. Hope the rest of the series is adapted through movies. There's quite a bit of stuff I wouldn't mind seeing cut |
gedataOct 17, 2014 6:09 PM
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EdenB said: okay so, most of the animes i watched and thought they are really really good and original, never get a second season. why is that? i mean, most of the shitty ones got one, why dont they get one? or maybe they do and i dont know where to look.. anyway, why do good animes never get a second season? Its not about quality, its popularity. |
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| Either there's not enough material to adapt (NGNL) or it didn't sell well enough (Nichijou) |
Cakedog said: Nice implied jab at Clannad. Ah, so it wasn't just me. :| Old_Raven said: I feel like this too! Though Im waiting to confirm it til Attack on Titan never announces its 2nd season. That was announced awhile ago. Here. There's already a DB entry too. OT: I haven't really noticed this. I mean, there are plenty of bad series that don't get sequels too... |
gedata said: robis798 said: If anyone could explain me why Berserk doesn't have a sequel or new adaptation already? I honestly don't know since it is 1st in MAL manga list. Berserk would need a remake since the old version left out many important scenes to the rest of the character, as well as a major character (you wouldn't understand what happenes directly after the end of the anime with those cuts, so even if it did continue a bit longer it would have had no choice but to deviate from the manga). Doing justice to a long-running, extremely gorey seinen manga is something that's never really been done before to my knowledge. Gantz and Blade of the Immortal for example have much longer manga storylines that never got covered because the point of the adaptations was to get you to buy those manga volumes. Actually Hellsing Ultimate adapted the full manga in 10 1 hour episodes. Berserk should just be given to a respectable studio like Production I.G., MadHouse, Ufotable or even Mappa to do it justice in an OVA series without censorship. |
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sullynathan said: gedata said: Berserk would need a remake since the old version left out many important scenes to the rest of the character, as well as a major character (you wouldn't understand what happenes directly after the end of the anime with those cuts, so even if it did continue a bit longer it would have had no choice but to deviate from the manga). Doing justice to a long-running, extremely gorey seinen manga is something that's never really been done before to my knowledge. Gantz and Blade of the Immortal for example have much longer manga storylines that never got covered because the point of the adaptations was to get you to buy those manga volumes. Actually Hellsing Ultimate adapted the full manga in 10 1 hour episodes. Berserk should just be given to a respectable studio like Production I.G., MadHouse, Ufotable or even Mappa to do it justice in an OVA series without censorship. I said long-running, Hellsing isn't a long series (just ten volumes) and was actually complete when the OVAs began (unlike Berserk, Gantz or BoTI when the anime for those came out). Can't really point to Ultimate and say "why don't we get a Berserk adaptation like that?" it doesn't make sense. If anything should get the Ultimate treatment, it's Trigun. I'd love to see Nightow's full vision without the terrible art. |
gedataOct 17, 2014 7:29 PM
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gedata said: sullynathan said: Actually Hellsing Ultimate adapted the full manga in 10 1 hour episodes. Berserk should just be given to a respectable studio like Production I.G., MadHouse, Ufotable or even Mappa to do it justice in an OVA series without censorship. I said long-running, Hellsing isn't a long series (just ten volumes) and was actually complete when the OVAs began (unlike Berserk, Gantz or BoTI when the anime for those came out). Can't really point to Ultimate and say "why don't we get a Berserk adaptation like that?" it doesn't make sense. If anything should get the Ultimate treatment, it's Trigun. I'd love to see Nightow's full vision without the terrible art. Well an OVA series could still work. Most OVA's aren't censored anyway, Berserk just has to be given to the right company. |
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sullynathan said: gedata said: I said long-running, Hellsing isn't a long series (just ten volumes) and was actually complete when the OVAs began (unlike Berserk, Gantz or BoTI when the anime for those came out). Can't really point to Ultimate and say "why don't we get a Berserk adaptation like that?" it doesn't make sense. If anything should get the Ultimate treatment, it's Trigun. I'd love to see Nightow's full vision without the terrible art. Well an OVA series could still work. Most OVA's aren't censored anyway, Berserk just has to be given to the right company. I guess, it'd probably have lots of stuff edited out, but like I said, Berserk is a story that could do with some cuts. |
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| Any number of reasons, like it didn't sell in Japan and it wouldn't be profitable, or the author is dead or sick and can't make more, etc. yazio said: Gator said: I second Claymore. -1 to Claymore If I can think of a simple and easy way to get it back on track with only maybe like a half an episode of original content, I'm sure Madhouse or whoever could. Plus |
KruszerOct 17, 2014 9:18 PM
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| It really depend on sales. Berserk went downhill after the Golden Age arc if you read the manga but not sure if that's the reason why there's no season 2. I don't know about it sales. Does Berserk movie bluray/dvd sell well? tsudecimo said: It's the manga popularity that is a bigger factor in sequels and such for manga adaptions. Best example of the top of my head is The world god only knows. Then how come we still haven't got season 4 of TWGOK. I thought season 2 sell is ok,which is why we got season 3 but season 3 sales is terrible that there's up until now,there's no news on season 4. What about Nurarihyon no Mago and Beelzebub? Why aren't they having new season? |
ZapredonOct 17, 2014 11:45 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Ikr! But im still not loosing hope. Especially since Durarara is getting 36+ eps in a year and a few months :-D Nisekoi getting an S2 too :-D |
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| Mononoke and Eve no Jikan s2 when |
| Still very confused with the whole Spice and Wolf season 3 thing... Both the first and second season are pretty highly regarded and the sales weren't so bad either, plus the novel is like one of the best ever in my opinion AND its complete. WHERE IS SEASON 3!? |
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| because there is source material? also for the Berserk sequels what makes Berserk great is mostly the Art in the manga and i doubt that could be replicated |
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| So that you can read the REALLY good manga. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
OriginANIME said: Both the first and second season are pretty highly regarded and the sales weren't so bad either, plus the novel is like one of the best ever in my opinion AND its complete. WHERE IS SEASON 3!? Highly regarded where? if you are talking about this site, then that doesn't mean jack shit, as I'm sure you know. The sales were decent, nothing amazing that warrants a 3rd season. Novel being completed is more of a reason of not having another season, since there is nothing to promote. Zapredon said: tsudecimo said: It's the manga popularity that is a bigger factor in sequels and such for manga adaptions. Best example of the top of my head is The world god only knows. Then how come we still haven't got season 4 of TWGOK. I thought season 2 sell is ok,which is why we got season 3 but season 3 sales is terrible that there's up until now,there's no news on season 4. Because the manga is finished. There might be some chance but it's low imo. MagicianX26 said: Some aren't made due to lack of material. I.e. Btooom Btooom didn't sell well (less than 1k average) and the manga isn't exactly a big seller. |
tsudecimoOct 18, 2014 2:01 AM
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| Yeah I was hoping for Hataraku Maou-sama Eve no Jikan Harmonie Noragami |
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ScazoN said: Yeah I was hoping for Hataraku Maou-sama Eve no Jikan Harmonie Noragami Out of those I think Maou-sama and Noragami are the most likely. Both had a really nice boost in the source material, and the disc sales were pretty decent. I wish there is a continuation of sort to Harmonie project, it was pretty good for something short. |
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tsudecimo said: Glad to hear, it's like the only anime around that i enjoy now. And yeah, Harmonie was amazing, would be overwhelming if it had a continuation, unique romance right there.ScazoN said: Yeah I was hoping for Hataraku Maou-sama Eve no Jikan Harmonie Noragami Out of those I think Maou-sama and Noragami are the most likely. Both had a really nice boost in the source material, and the disc sales were pretty decent. I wish there is a continuation of sort to Harmonie project, it was pretty good for something short. |
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| Because they don't want to spoil it. |
| The world is not beautiful - and that, in a way, lends it a sort of beauty. -Kino, Kino's Journey My Anime List- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/zealith7 |
| Because the best shows only require one season to tell a coherent story. There are exceptions of course, but in general, if you need more than one season to tell your story, you're probably not doing it very well. |
| It's less of what is actually good or bad, and more of what is actually able to consistently provide profits. Look at shows like Skip Beat! and Hataraku Maou. Both are good in their own right, but I don't think there's any comparison between how much profit the FSN franchise or SAO raked in when you compare them. (For reference, I find FSN great and SAO poor). There's also the issue of deviating too far from source material (I believe Claymore falls under here. I recall the anime being quite different from the Manga, but my memory may be fogged since it's been really long). tl;dr: It's popularity in dollar votes, not quality which determines subsequent seasons |
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MetalxSoldier said: Because they don't need it? Depends on the show along with a shit load of other reasons. The manga always continue, so can be a second season. |
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Iktoro99 said: It's like today's mainstream music - appealing to the masses Majority of Anime is not mainstream so not really. |
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saanguen said: MetalxSoldier said: Because they don't need it? Depends on the show along with a shit load of other reasons. The manga always continue, so can be a second season. No, not always. Sometimes, like with Kaze no Stigma and Guin Saga for instance, the novel or manga's author is dead. Dead people sadly tell no tales. |
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Lancehot said: A variety of reasons, some of which are: 1. They told the story they wanted to tell in one season, so there's no need for more. (Kids on the Slope & Tsuritama being two examples of this) 2. Unless it's an original animation the anime is entirely beholden to the original author coming up with enough new material to base a new season on, even if the show is a success in its own right. That can mean a very long wait, to the point that by the time there's enough material nobody cares anymore (Haruhi & Skip Beat are both examples of this imo, though for different reasons). 3. If the show doesn't sell well (most don't) then there's no financial incentive to make new episodes no matter how incomplete or good the show might be (Spice & Wolf season3 please :'( ). 4. As others say often, anime are often little more than ridiculously expensive infomercials for a book/game/toy etc. They're a way of giving existing fans of a franchise something new to buy & hopefully attract new fans to whatever the production committee is actually trying to sell. Very few exist for their own sake (that's what films are for). In other words, as it is with any expensive entertainment medium, the fact that good things come out of it is usually a fortunate accident rather than intended by design. You are absolutely right, couldn't agree more, that explains why some animes get to be entirely different from their mangas in some parts or develop a completely different storyline. Kuroshitsuji is a example of this. |
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Miraclezify said: Because the best shows only require one season to tell a coherent story. There are exceptions of course, but in general, if you need more than one season to tell your story, you're probably not doing it very well. That's a stubborn way to look at things. |
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| Because people with shit taste buy stuff since they are generally stupid and lack understanding of money's worth. Or maybe the people behind show X didn't kiss enough ass to let them have an additional season. Who knows. |
StefanHere said: because there is source material? also for the Berserk sequels what makes Berserk great is mostly the Art in the manga and i doubt that could be replicated The anime did a good job imo. Just imagine it being animated now by madhouse or production Ig? That reminds me that I still haven't watch the berserk films yet. Heard the Cgi sucks in it though. |
Iktoro99 said: It's like today's mainstream music - appealing to the masses A dwindling percentage of anime caters to the masses. It's all about being as niche as possible. |
keragamming said: you heard rightStefanHere said: because there is source material? also for the Berserk sequels what makes Berserk great is mostly the Art in the manga and i doubt that could be replicated The anime did a good job imo. Just imagine it being animated now by madhouse or production Ig? That reminds me that I still haven't watch the berserk films yet. Heard the Cgi sucks in it though. |
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