| well are they |
| RRRRRRRRRR |
| It depends... |
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| if they did the act, they're guilty even if not proven. As simple as that. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| I say no, courts have let the guilty person walk many times and imprisoned many people who were falsely accused. Unfortunately real life isn't Psycho Pass so we have to use the courts but most humans are suuch fucking liars :/ |
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| Well. That's how the law is supposed to work. There are those with a more cynical view of the world who would disagree with that statement. And then there are people who subscribe to the idea that the government sees you as guilty until proven guilty, and that the idea of freedom in that sense is merely an illusion. |
| We can dance if we want to. Web Development and Programming: The sexiest place on earth |
Maria_Sama said: well are they yeah they are |
| Murderers are never innocent, even if they get away with it. |
| WHAT IS THIS |
| well.. if you commit a crime then you're guilty, even if you get away with it in practicality however, if noone knows your guilty or can't prove it, then in the public eye you'll be innocent depends on if we're looking from the general public eye or some omnipresent one |
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| No, they're guilty until proven innocent. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| That's the way it should be, but in many cases in the current justice system it doesn't work out like that. Many people are convicted of crimes based on bias from the jury (who are supposed to be unbiased) and by negative portrayal in the media among other things. |
Maria_Sama said: well are they Bitch, I might be. |
| I didn't feel any pain till i was caught and told that i was guilty and even then i wasn't really sure yeah yeah. |
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| After playing the phoenix wright series multiple times, yes they are |
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| Yes. A legal system where guilt is assumed is terrible. Why should the defendant be the one to prove their innocence? How do you even do that in some situations? |
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OneForSorrow said: if they did the act, they're guilty even if not proven. As simple as that. |
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| I plead the fifth |
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| There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. |
RedArmyShogun said: There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Easy there Isador Akios. |
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| Oh for fucks sake morality is subjective, if there is no feeling of guilt within the individual then he is subjectively innocent however if he let a horse do it up the butt he is objectively guilty |
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MrHawkeye said: Oh for fucks sake morality is subjective, if there is no feeling of guilt within the individual then he is subjectively innocent however if he let a horse do it up the butt he is objectively guilty This went a direction I was not expecting |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: RedArmyShogun said: There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Easy there Isador Akios. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. |
BritishBeans said: Guys, please don't spam quotes. Sorry just so many quotes ingrained in memory from that game. To answer the main question, regardless how how people feel that is the system we use and its the only one we have that allows for equal treatment. Everyone is innocent until some proof of guilt can be attained. It allows us to stop peoples lives and reputations been ruined from hearsay and rumor. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: BritishBeans said: Guys, please don't spam quotes. Sorry just so many quotes ingrained in memory from that game. To answer the main question, regardless how how people feel that is the system we use and its the only one we have that allows for equal treatment. Everyone is innocent until some proof of guilt can be attained. It allows us to stop peoples lives and reputations been ruined from hearsay and rumor. Its a great game. Though I do think that its better to assume one is guilty untill proven otherwise. |
| Schrodinger's accused. You can't have an accused pedophile taking kindergarten classes, so your not really presuming them innocent, but you aren't presuming guilt either. |
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| Great logic. |
| Who is innocent?? The only one who hadn't had the chance to commit wrong and who is guilty , the one whose desires have been fulfilled but he was defiled and hated by society!! |
Forgot my umbrella......! |
| You need some Phoenix Wright judgement. |
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| No, but they should be treated as such. If somebody commits murder and nobody proves them guilty, they're still guilty. |
| In most court systems yes; in the eyes of the public, No. People judge others within the first 30 seconds (if not less) at first appearance. Unless there is outstanding evidence to change that opinion shortly after, bias sets in. Throw in brodcasting, and that bias turns into peer opinion AKA the voice of the "people" |
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BritishBeans said: Only in a court of law. |
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| yes, this works because it's easier to prove you did something that to prove you didn't do somenthing |
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Rokumi said: These are legal basics, come on people. FlareStar101 said: No, they're guilty until proven innocent. "All are guilty until they have proven themselves innocent." Were truer word ever spoke? Yes, there were. When they said "All are innocent until proven guilty." |
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