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| As for Rod Reiss,the fact that he waited till Eren's coordinate ability was revealed makes it all but certain that he's less interested in getting vengance for Grisha's actions and more interested in the Coordinate family remaining in his bloodline..Also the fact that he wants Historia to get the power means that 1.He's not a titan shifter or 2.Only the women in the Reiss bloodline can hold the coordinate power But the fact that both Grisha and Eren held the power makes me think that the coordinate isnt required to be a female...And also if bloodlines are important as far as the Coordinate power goes,then it means that Grisha must have part of the Reiss household ..That would also make sense as the why he knew the Reiss family held the ability to control titans |
| I have a feeling that Grisha was a shifter all along, like RBA, but he didn't have the coordinate. Knowing the Reiss family possessed it, and seeing humanities and Eren's dire situation. He shifted, and ate the Reiss family to get the coordinate. He'd have had to have been a shifter, because feral titan Grisha would have been defeated by the female titan shown in one of the panels. The weirdest part is why give Eren the shifting power and coordinate? My only going theory is that is requires a extremely strong will to control, which is something Eren has in spades. |
keragamming said: ryoko74 said: Good chapter! The dialogue between Erwin and the Chief was quite boring but I know that every boring speech is important in SnK and contains hint for the future. I agree with what has previously be writen about Eren and his dad. Grisha as titan killed the Reiss family, ate the coordinator than changed his son into a titan and let him ate himself to give him both the shifting and the coordinate power. I don't know who was the blonde titan who fought against Grisha. I'm sure she's not Christa because : 1) she was raised almost as an outcast, under a false name, far in the country. I find it quite unbelievable that she was allowed to pray together with the proper family. 2) she was in the collapsing tower together with Ymir. I think she would have transformed to help her beloved Ymir. A big question remains unanswered: why did Grisha give every power to his 10 years old son? Why didn't he use his new powers to fight his enemies, whoever they were. He's a grown up, he's a scientist, he's well connected, he would have been a better warrior than a child who had non idea of what was happening? A second question: who erased Eren's memory? The dialogue between Erwin and the chief was basically giving Erwin character development, but I agree it was boring, and yes also "foreshadowing" Chief Zackhaley said "Your mission is as terrible as ever, death seems like a far more easier option" I really think the blonde titan is Historia, What you forget is that Frieda has the power to erase memories, so who knows what memories Historia had before Frieda erase it. Reasons why I think Historia is the titan, or at least is a titan shifter. Hint, Historia calls her big sister, which we just learn that she actually is her real big sister, meaning Historia knows Frieda is her sister. So the question is was Historia really a outcast? I have a theory that they bring her at the underground sometimes to experiment on her maybe? then when they're done Frieda erase her memories again, and bring her back to the farm home. 1. She resembles the titan, even the people that doesn't think it's Historia does admit that she looks similar to the titan in Eren dreams. 2. Blood line, If you didn't notice Levi ask the question, " Blood ties.... Is there something special about that blood line?" Hanji didn't get to answer the question because of Mikasa interruptions, but what it seems is that only people of the same blood can posses the titan power? Thus why he needed Historia back after all his other children were dead? 3. Also Ymir implying that they both have similar life experience. Maybe Ymir went through the same thing as Historia, Thinking about it, Annie father was apologizing to her just like Eren father and Now Reiss. Is all this coincidentally, also good question, why do all these fathers are giving the burden to their child? I think when we find out everything about Histioria we will also find out what's the deal with Annie as well. 4.Think about this, why would Reiss need Historia for? He doesn't seem like he's interested in being king, If he wanted to be king he doesn't need Historia at all. It must be something relating to titan, Hanji said it herself, Hanji keep on saying that Reiss is going to use a titan to eat eren, but where is that titan? My hunch is that the titan is Historai herself. Like what other purpose is there for Historia to sit down and watch while a titan eats Eren? Too much clues pointing towards Historia being a titan. Even in the last page of the chapter Historia has her hands on her head like she remembers something as well. Rod has no interest in being a king so what is Historai purpose? To sit around and watch. I'm 100% sure Historia is a titan shifter. If you think I'm wrong tell me what's wrong with my theories. I agree that Historia is/will be a titan..But i dont think the titan in Eren's dream is her...The Reiss children look similar..So its very much possible that the titan was one of her sisters..Historia's is the last throw of the dice as far as the Reiss family are concerned..The last survivor capable of being the Coordinate..So I guess she's there to eat Eren and bring the coordinate power back into the family |
MikasaxEren said: I have a feeling that Grisha was a shifter all along, like RBA, but he didn't have the coordinate. Knowing the Reiss family possessed it, and seeing humanities and Eren's dire situation. He shifted, and ate the Reiss family to get the coordinate. He'd have had to have been a shifter, because feral titan Grisha would have been defeated by the female titan shown in one of the panels. The weirdest part is why give Eren the shifting power and coordinate? My only going theory is that is requires a extremely strong will to control, which is something Eren has in spades. Maybe Eren being the only survivor of his family had something to do with it? |
| Death has never been easy .. except to those who sacrifice greatly . Tragedies that no can ever foretold as it's inevitable without faith and hope specially . The birth of the "coordinator" himself as a titan shifter .. His father's sin . |
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| Getting better every chapter! Amazing. |
| Wait... wat? Eren ate his father? Meaning no more theories about his location. And I'm guessing that Eren got his special powers from his father. Historia/Christa is a TITAN?! You've got to be kidding me Isayama-sensei. What the heck. That is all. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| It looks like Historia remembered something in the last panel. I wonder if Rod knows that his daughter Frieda can manipulate memories and that Historia may have some important information inside her mind. |
| "We are what we eat"- Now makes more sense still dont understand that titan version of Historia (? |
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| Very important chapter for future events. Erwin's and Zackly's conversation may be "boring," but it is setting the scene for what will become of the state of humanity. The people are scared, upset, and don't know who to trust. We might, as the readers, but that is because we have all the information. Knowing this, Erwin is beginning to doubt whether it really was better to overthrow the government and place it into a temporary military state. Seeing Zackly's emotionless reaction to the events, I'm inclined to agree with Erwin. Zackly doesn't seem at all interested in what becomes of humanity, despite his grand entrance at Erwin's trial. He's in it "for the lulz" as it seems. Erwin's doubts at such a critical moment could spell the end of him. The trust his comrades, Levi, and Hange all have in him now make him very vulnerable to coercion from someone who may be an enemy. Whether that is Zackly at this point is hard to tell. As for the new Female Titan, it's clearly NOT Historia. Hange in the very few pages before it states that the attack on the Reiss children happened the NIGHT BEFORE Historia was taken from her mother. We also know that Rod Reiss was present on both nights. The Blonde Female Titan that Grisha apparently fought could not have been Historia in this case. It's very sad to hear that Eren ate his father... Whether that is what Grisha intended or ended up being an accident, it will still have devastating effects on him, I'm sure. The whole reason he hates Titans is due to seeing them eat his mother; now Eren has become the very thing he hates completely. |
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fathertime said: keragamming said: quote I agree that Historia is/will be a titan..But i dont think the titan in Eren's dream is her...The Reiss children look similar..So its very much possible that the titan was one of her sisters..Historia's is the last throw of the dice as far as the Reiss family are concerned..The last survivor capable of being the Coordinate..So I guess she's there to eat Eren and bring the coordinate power back into the family @fathertime I'm definitely with you. If they succeed in taking Eren's Titan powers away from him the same way other characters have gained shifting abilities (ie: eating people in the cases of Ymir and Grisha), then Historia could very well be a Titan eventually. I don't exactly trust Rod Reiss, despite what Historia says. She states it was necessary for Pastor Nick to be killed--was it necessary to torture him too?? Not to mention flat out murdering three, possibly more, Scout members in cold blood, along with the attempted assassination of Levi and his crew. Historia is being brainwashed, imo, which is easy at this point because she craves parental affection. Rod Reiss needs her to be a Titan because his other children are dead/were consumed by Grisha. He can't use Eren because Eren would never agree to baseless killing like Reiner and Bertoldt. If Rod Reiss were truly an ally to humanity, it would not matter who possessed the Coordinate so long as they were willing to use it for good. |
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| Wow. I always expected Papa Jaeger to come back at some point like Ed/Alphonse's dad in FMA. That's shot down now. I don't trust the Reiss family too much. I wonder if Rod Reiss will make Historia and Eren enemies by having her try to eat him. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Holy shit... We all pretty much knew he ate his dad, but was that historia as a titan? And baby eren titan lol. Good chapter |
| hmm, there's high possibility that rod is shifter. but yet, he cannot obtain the coordinate even if he ate eren, think about it, reiner and bert could've eaten eren when they got assured that eren is the coordinate. but they didnt, instead reiner was tossing the mindless titans to eren, so they will eat him and obtain the coordinate. why? coz u can only recieve the (one) shifting power, only the first time u eat shifter after becoming mindless titan. also, rod hasnt been driven into situation in which transforming into shifter was necessary, as far we have seen. and in the end, this brings up the theory that the titan that looks VERY much like historia, isnt really her. because, if that was really her, he must've been shifter in order to turn into human again (as she is in the moment) as far as we know there's no other way to turn mindless titan into human(shifter again) as far ad we know. and still, even if she was a shifter, that means she already ate someone, so she wont obtain coordinate power even if she ate eren. or maybe there's some other obtaining way, for example, kaney might cut eren's spinal and main brain with that knife he was sharping (i think eren isnt positioned like he's gonna be eaten, its more like he's gonna have his neck cut). and yet, think abour the snowwhite pictire book, maybe historia can control eren somehow. |
| Tuturu~ |
| Historia is wearing the same clothes that Rod, Frieda/Geographia and the other Reiss members wore when they were praying and getting attacked by (presumably) Grisha (in titan form) in the chapel? Is Rod trying to do what they wanted to do back then? Just with Historia instead of Frieda/Geographia? Which could mean eating Eren or doing something else with him? Even more clue that Historia is a titan, or will become one. |
| Holy WHAT. |
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| Were finally back on track and WOW! 1) Unknown woman is Freida Reiss, Historia's eldest half-sister and confirmed Shifter and Coordinate holder. 2) Grisha Jaeger was somehow a bona fide Shifter and NOT the Ape Titan. 3) Grisha ends up slaughtering the Reiss' after Wall Maria's fall and presumably kills and extracts the Shifter and Coordinate abilities from Freida. 4) Rod Reiss then orders his lover to be murdered for unknown reason and spares Historia, presumably to keep her safe as he did suggest she alter her name IIRC. 5) Meanwhile Grisha races to find Eren inside Wall Rose. 6) He probably sticks around for a couple days if not weeks probably to care for his son like any father would. 7) Some time passes and he decides to inject the abilities into Eren. Maybe there were warrants and wanted posters for Grisha? 8) Eren then performs his 1st transformation somehow inside Wall Rose without ANYONE knowing and eats Grisha gaining Freida's memories from the injection and Grisha's from eating him. This is all well and good but I still have only a single question: WHERE THE HELL WAS MIKASA WHILE EREN WAS WITH GRISHA?!?!?!?!? |
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| Well.. That was awesome @_@ |
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mandroid said: hmm, there's high possibility that rod is shifter. but yet, he cannot obtain the coordinate even if he ate eren, think about it, reiner and bert could've eaten eren when they got assured that eren is the coordinate. but they didnt, instead reiner was tossing the mindless titans to eren, so they will eat him and obtain the coordinate. why? coz u can only recieve the (one) shifting power, only the first time u eat shifter after becoming mindless titan. Nice find! This explains why Grisha, a Shifter, chose to inject Eren with the power instead of himself even though injecting himself wouldve been WAAAAYY smarter. |
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| This chapter heavily implying that Grisha might have worked for the same people RBA work for then betrayed/escaped them since the reiss family massacre was after the fall of wall maria. Why he let Eren eat him and gave him that power? maybe because the people from outside the walls were actually also looking for him and eventually they would've found and killed him so he thought hiding that power within eren was the best course of action. Also i agree that a titan can only gain one shifter power... explains why Eren couldn't do crystallization no matter how much he trained. other than that historia look alike titan was confusing. |
| Ok, I maybe looking too deep into these things, but since this is attack on titan that loves to put in minor details that will have big significance in the future let me through this theory out. So there are five children excluding Historia. Now if you notice the youngest child which is a girl, if you notice her face hasn't been shown but if you look the rest of of Rods children faces are showing, why didn't Isayama included her in it? Who is this girl? And could it be she's still alive somewhere? Could it somehow be Mikasa!? Just kidding.....  Just look at the pics, her face hasn't been shown at all. @Waiting4Infinity I think the first titan shifter was from 2000 years ago. The first chapter of attack on titan was titled. " to you 2000 years from now" so maybe it's pass down by generation maybe by blood line? I don't think any paradoxes is in it. Also the injection Grisha gave eren turn him into a mindless titan, then eren ate Grisha and became a titan shifter. |
keragammingOct 9, 2014 2:16 PM
Waiting4Infinity said: keragamming said: I think the first titan shifter was from 2000 years ago. The first chapter of attack on titan was titled. " to you 2000 years from now" so maybe it's pass down by generation maybe by blood line? I don't think any paradoxes is in it. Also the injection Grisha gave eren turn him into a mindless titan, then eren ate Grisha and became a titan shifter. But if Grisha's power was being a shifter, than who did he get the titan-controlling power from? Frieda. Or one of the kids he ate. |
Waiting4Infinity said: @keragamming She would have to be a Titan, though. Armin says this: "When a Titan eats a human who can become a Titan, it gains their powers... If that's really true... Then when and how did Eren become a Titan... And who did he eat to gain his power...?" But she's a titan. Remember this. The entire Reiss family is probably titans. Dude did you even read the chapter??? Grisah inject him with titan serum which turns eren into a mindless titan, then eren ate Grisha which turn Eren into a titan shifter. |
| HOLY SHIT talk about one hell of a revelation |
Old_Raven said: mandroid said: hmm, there's high possibility that rod is shifter. but yet, he cannot obtain the coordinate even if he ate eren, think about it, reiner and bert could've eaten eren when they got assured that eren is the coordinate. but they didnt, instead reiner was tossing the mindless titans to eren, so they will eat him and obtain the coordinate. why? coz u can only recieve the (one) shifting power, only the first time u eat shifter after becoming mindless titan. Nice find! This explains why Grisha, a Shifter, chose to inject Eren with the power instead of himself even though injecting himself wouldve been WAAAAYY smarter. Oh, this could be it! If you think about the shifters we know, they all lean on the "hardening" ability, even Ymir. The only empty shifter vessel was Eren, who could mostly construct stuff, but perhaps is far for being wall-material as Bert could be. (Although, is a bit bizarre to have memories of at least two persons confirmed eaten and just one ability. Ymir didn't remember Berik, neither his memories of Reiner and Bert). ... And that being said, Krista, after touching Eren in the last panel, looks shaken as well. What if Grisha hadn't injected Eren right away? What if he was waiting for somebody else? Maybe he was looking for the intruders or their leader? And then, what if Rod pulled a chase and Eren became Grisha's last unfortunate resort? I don't know what is in the basement, but does it look like enough to explore the world outside the walls w/o the coordinator, which obviously was in possession of the Reiss and everyone in the story so far is looking for it? What if Rod went to reclaim Krista in order to send her after Eren. Changing her name would even make more sense in this case. In the same way he might have being encouraging Frieda to look after Historia and damn, I got this feeling that Historia was conceived to serve as his personal asset or back-up plan all along (sorry for the ugly thoughts). Which would mean that on the surface he is pro humanity - RBA didn't get the coordinator, but, as mentioned above, why it has to be the Reiss having it, while Eren or anybody else could do the same. |
zellamiOct 9, 2014 2:56 PM
keragamming said: Waiting4Infinity said: @keragamming She would have to be a Titan, though. Armin says this: "When a Titan eats a human who can become a Titan, it gains their powers... If that's really true... Then when and how did Eren become a Titan... And who did he eat to gain his power...?" But she's a titan. Remember this. The entire Reiss family is probably titans. Dude did you even read the chapter??? Grisah inject him with titan serum which turns eren into a mindless titan, then eren ate Grisha which turn Eren into a titan shifter. *bangs head against wall* YES, I READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER! You've just contradicted yourself! Here is what I said: If a Titan has to eat a Shifter who possesses a power in order to gain that power, then where did the power come from in the first place? Where did it originate from? If Eren got the control power from his dad, then who did his dad get it from, and who did that person get it from, and so on. Bootstrap paradox. |
Waiting4Infinity said: keragamming said: But she's a titan. Remember this. The entire Reiss family is probably titans. Dude did you even read the chapter??? Grisah inject him with titan serum which turns eren into a mindless titan, then eren ate Grisha which turn Eren into a titan shifter. *bangs head against wall* YES, I READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER! You've just contradicted yourself! Here is what I said: If a Titan has to eat a Shifter who possesses a power in order to gain that power, then where did the power come from in the first place? Where did it originate from? If Eren got the control power from his dad, then who did his dad get it from, and who did that person get it from, and so on. Bootstrap paradox. The first person that made all this titan stuff I guess? We need more details though. There must be someone that created all this right? Probably the beast titan which doesn't even know what the 3d gear is. So I don't know why you came up with this paradox when it's obvious that someone created all this. |
| Well we basically don't know about the general origins of the titans so how the first one appeared with the powers just hasn't been covered yet. Hopefully there will be input on that in the future. Man, I feel bad for Eren. |
Waiting4Infinity said: keragamming said: The first person that made all this titan stuff I guess? We need more details though. There must be someone that created all this right? Probably the beast titan which doesn't even know what the 3d gear is. So I don't know why you came up with this paradox when it's obvious that someone created all this. My friend, you need to go back and carefully reread my first post. My bad, I just did. :( But I just realize something, why didn't Annie or armored titan just eat eren instead? Which leads me to believe that a titan shifter can't eat another titan shifter more than once. And get their powers. So basically normal titan eats shifter= to normal titan becoming a shifter. And that titan will not be able to get anymore power from other shifters. That explains why Reiner was tossing normal titans at eren, so one of them could eat him. I'm happy that eren can't eat Annie to get her powers, because I was thinking about that when I heard the eating theory in snk. Relief! :) |
keragammingOct 9, 2014 4:06 PM
| I'm hungry. Also, I CALLED IT! I knew eren ate grisha, but did he only get Grishas memories, because how did he see Frida from her pov? |
| I didn't come here to play, I came to win. Now lets play. |
| @ I agree with what you said above. I would have to disagree with you about Reiner and annie don't want to eat eren because of being eaten by Historai. Hanji said it as well, they were desperate to get the coordinate so Reiner toss titan at eren, because Reiner said Eren is the worst person to get this power. Anything is possible, since you said it yourself, Frieda was visiting Historia, I think Grisha got the coordinate power from Frieda and not Historia. Also this scene more than prove that Historia is a titan. Think about it, why would Reiss need Historia to also touch Eren? I think he did it because she was also involve in it, and I know that Reiss came in contact with Historia after his children died, but remember that Hisoria mind got erase so who knows what really happend. Also look how Hisoria is having her hands on her head like she remembered something as well? Too much proof indicating that Hisoria is a titan. @Ketsubutsu31 Eren has Frieda point of view because Grisha ate her. Which transfered to Eren as well when he ate Grisha. |
| I just read it and I need to share my first thoughts and confusions! At first, I dind't though that Grisha was there in the chapel scene and I was having trouble trying to fit him in the middle the facts. For me, it was quite clear that the female titan that appeared in the chapel is Historia. They look too much alike. As you can see, this female titan suddenly appears in the chapel and you have a fight scene, when we are able to see the this female titan in a first person perspective. The logic of this story board made me believe that Frieda was fighting Historia, as we have a focus on Frieda reactions. It would not the first time that Eren shows to have Frieda's personal memories and that made a lot of sense to me. However, I simply couldn't figure where those memories start being Grisha's memories. It is quite obvious by the end that Eren ate his father. I was not pretty sure if the injection was supposed to make Eren a titan by itself or if Grisha really had the purpose of being eaten. I realized lately that it could make more sense if all the memories are Grisha's memories, because of the first-person perspective. Maybe he did some shit and turned Historia into a Titan, just like he did to Eren with the injection - it doesn't seem to have a continuous effect as long as you don't eat a shifter? But, after he stopped Historia, things got out of control. He probably ate the royal family - including Frieda. That would explain why Eren has Frieda's memories - Eren ate dad who ate Frieda, and you carry the memories of those you eat. After everything that happened, Grisha was regretful. Then, he found Eren and induced his son to eat him and end his sufferings, leaving a legacy. I'm accepting the fact that Grisha was somehow professionally related to the royal family, researching about the titans. Did he left home in the same day we had the first attack? If so, he had just arrived at the Reiss family grounds when everything happened and he wasn't there when they killed Historia's mother. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the survey corps will be by this chapel by the next chapter. Can't wait to read it! I'M EXCITED AS HELL |
| Amazing chapter, so happy to see that SnK has finally returned to its Titan-esque roots. God daaaaaaaaaaayum it's gonna be such a long wait for the next chapter. =( |
| La familia es todo. |
tiaguinhozz44 said: Er you mean 62.The manga chapter 64 is out, at least i read it in mangafox |
| Nice chapter. Now please, no insta main character killing, I've read/watched too much of that lately D: |
| i always wondered, how can people as retarded as this read asian masterpiece like snk. how can a person quote himself wrong, when he can even scroll up and check... eren clearly ate grisha, we just saw ir in the recent chapter. and grisha clearly ate frida, that was indicated when eren saw frida looking at herself in a mirror in his memories... wow, a person just said that i did nice catch, thats good man, but after that u just showed that u dont even know wtf is happening in the story... also, grisha didnt inject eren with the power, he injected him so he could become (mindless) titan. and after that eren ate him by instict (and he was shifter with the coordinate power). hm, this could be a clue how ape turned all the people in connies village into titans. but i hope he didnt just inject them with serum, i hope it was smth more orgininal, brutal and hardcore, just like other things in the snk world. anyway, i just realized smth that would indicate even more that kyojin may not be historia. prople say that she is that titan but she doesnt remember coz frieda erased her memory when she visited her when they were talking about the snow white story. but its not possible, that happened before the attack at the chapel, because frieda was clearly eaten by grisha at that time, which means historia will still have the memory when she transformed into titan at the fight. but, i think we are lucky coz we will know that for sure next chapter because she realized/remembered smth in the last page of the last chapter |
mandroidOct 10, 2014 10:57 AM
| Tuturu~ |
| IIRC didn't Grisha tell Eren to use "their memories" in the anime to help him use the power to retake wall Maria and acheive his goals? Just checked, seems I did remember correctly. |
MikasaxErenOct 10, 2014 11:59 AM
| Wow, Eren's life sucks ass lmao. Why did Eren's dad kill everyone but Rod Reiss? I hope we get more answers in the next chapter. I wouldn't mind a whole chapter being a Q&A between Eren and Rod haha. |
| Some shocking Revelations. |
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