| Making a separate entry for an episode 0 of a series is incredibly silly. It's part of the series why go on and make it a different entry? Who thought this made sense to do? No one asked for this. |
RamzeeOct 4, 2014 4:56 PM
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| I absolutely agree with this. It's just called episode 0 for christ's sake. It's technically episode 1. |
| as if we can get what we want on MAL im not gonna add this to my list ima just rate it overall with the rest of the show who cares if mal fucks up 1 episode its MYanimelist after all |
moodieOct 4, 2014 5:02 PM
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Praland said: How this suggestion would improve MAL? Because there is absolutely no reason to take an episode out of a series and make it a separate entry. Tell me how exactly making it a separate entry improves MAL? |
| Previously: BlueXRam |
BlueXRam said: Praland said: How this suggestion would improve MAL? Because there is absolutely no reason to take an episode out of a series and make it a separate entry. Tell me how exactly making it a separate entry improves MAL? Wasn't the Anime DB subforum used for this kind of things? |
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BlueXRam said: Who thought this made sense to do? No one asked for this. Disagree. |
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BlueXRam said: Yesterday I saw a bunch of Fate fans complaining episode 0 would be counted as episode 1.No one asked for this. |
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ReaperCreeper said: BlueXRam said: Yesterday I saw a bunch of Fate fans complaining episode 0 would be counted as episode 1.No one asked for this. The decision should have been to make it 27 episodes. Please find me a quote of someone wanting it to be a separate entry. It is being aired with the rest of the episodes in the series. It's called "EPISODE 0". Episode 0 of the series which makes it part of the series. |
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BlueXRam said: Maybe if I had a clue which thread it was.ReaperCreeper said: Yesterday I saw a bunch of Fate fans complaining episode 0 would be counted as episode 1. The decision should have been to make it 27 episodes. Please find me a quote of someone wanting it to be a separate entry. It is being aired with the rest of the episodes in the series. It's called "EPISODE 0". Episode 0 of the series which makes it part of the series. |
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| I gave up on trying to say that Ep 0 is part of the series a few hours ago. They won't be removing that entry. |
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| I still haven't seen anyone comment on how an "episode 0" can't be considered part of the series its an episode of. |
| Previously: BlueXRam |
BlueXRam said: I'm pretty sure their complaint is because it's labelled as episode 0, it shouldn't be episode 1 on MAL. Personally I don't really care which MAL does.I still haven't seen anyone comment on how an "episode 0" can't be considered part of the series its an episode of. |
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BlueXRam said: I still haven't seen anyone comment on how an "episode 0" can't be considered part of the series its an episode of. belatkuro said: Because it's not episode 1 but episode 0? It's really not that hard to understand. Even Aniplex calls the episode that aired today episode 0 in the CM and the episode that will air next week as episode 1. It's also in the guidelines: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=515957 Specials include: DVD/Blu-ray specials and introductory animation (pilots, prologues, episodes 00) which contain animation/voice acting not used in the parent show. |
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ReaperCreeper said: BlueXRam said: I'm pretty sure their complaint is because it's labelled as episode 0, it shouldn't be episode 1 on MAL. Personally I don't really care which MAL does.I still haven't seen anyone comment on how an "episode 0" can't be considered part of the series its an episode of. Yeah it shouldn't be episode 1 it should be episode 0. 0 is a number. And if we're talking about number of episodes seen it still counts as an episode so it should go from there. |
| Previously: BlueXRam |
| The staff has decided to treat this entry as a separate special in order to be consistent with what we have been doing with episodes labeled as "episode 0", and in order to keep the proper episode count on the main TV entry. Please note that we are aware there are older entries with an episode 0, but unfortunately those were created prior to the existence of our Anime Database Guidelines so it wouldn't be practical to split those entries now. You can set Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) - Prologue as completed and Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) as currently watching next week. We hope you understand our decision. |
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| ^ Most of those Episode 0 aired AFTER their parent story. F/SN episode 0 is part of the main series. Aniplex mentioned that the streaming of the F/SN main series starts on October 4. So basically they (and ufotable) is treating this as part of the series. |
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-RIPriest- said: Then go tell them to name it "Episode 1."^ Most of those Episode 0 aired AFTER their parent story. F/SN episode 0 is part of the main series. Aniplex mentioned that the streaming of the F/SN main series starts on October 4. So basically they (and ufotable) is treating this as part of the series. |
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Tyrel said: -RIPriest- said: Then go tell them to name it "Episode 1."^ Most of those Episode 0 aired AFTER their parent story. F/SN episode 0 is part of the main series. Aniplex mentioned that the streaming of the F/SN main series starts on October 4. So basically they (and ufotable) is treating this as part of the series. It would be better to just explain to me why you guys made a different entry or to make a counter argument about how what I said is invalid and not enough reason to move ep 0 to the main series than to resort to those kind of statements. |
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-RIPriest- said: There's no reason not to make it as a separate entry. They've done this with other shows and no one has complain. Why complain about it now? Because it's such a hyped show? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me.Tyrel said: Then go tell them to name it "Episode 1." It would be better to just explain to me why you guys made a different entry or to make a counter argument about how what I said is invalid and not enough reason to move ep 0 to the main series than to resort to those kind of statements. "Specials include: DVD/Blu-ray specials and introductory animation (pilots, prologues, episodes 00) which contain animation/voice acting not used in the parent show." Which is stated in the guidelines of entries. This episode was clearly stated as a episode 0 and therefore has been made its own entry. Changing the episode # different on the site to say "26" when it's actual 25 would confuse more people. That's how I see it. |
TyrelOct 4, 2014 7:20 PM
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Tyrel said: -RIPriest- said: There's no reason not to make it as a separate entry. They've done this with other shows and no one has complain. Why complain about it now? Because it's such a hyped show? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me.It would be better to just explain to me why you guys made a different entry or to make a counter argument about how what I said is invalid and not enough reason to move ep 0 to the main series than to resort to those kind of statements. "Specials include: DVD/Blu-ray specials and introductory animation (pilots, prologues, episodes 00) which contain animation/voice acting not used in the parent show." Which is stated in the guidelines of entries. This episode was clearly stated as a episode 0 and therefore has been made its own entry. Changing the episode # different on the site to say "26" when it's actual 25 would confuse more people. That's how I see it. See, at least now I can understand why you would make a separate entry for Episode 0. I only complained because even Aniplex and ufotable is treating it as part of the main series because it is. |
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-RIPriest- said: I agree that it's apart of the series, and can see why people want it there. I also didn't like the move but the entry rules are what the anime mods go by.Tyrel said: There's no reason not to make it as a separate entry. They've done this with other shows and no one has complain. Why complain about it now? Because it's such a hyped show? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. "Specials include: DVD/Blu-ray specials and introductory animation (pilots, prologues, episodes 00) which contain animation/voice acting not used in the parent show." Which is stated in the guidelines of entries. This episode was clearly stated as a episode 0 and therefore has been made its own entry. Changing the episode # different on the site to say "26" when it's actual 25 would confuse more people. That's how I see it. See, at least now I can understand why you would make a separate entry for Episode 0. I only complained because even Aniplex and ufotable is treating it as part of the main series because it is. |
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Tyrel said: -RIPriest- said: I agree that it's apart of the series, and can see why people want it there. I also didn't like the move but the entry rules are what the anime mods go by.See, at least now I can understand why you would make a separate entry for Episode 0. I only complained because even Aniplex and ufotable is treating it as part of the main series because it is. Some rules needs some modification since as I said, most of the Episode 0 aired after the main series and is more like an OVA. Anyway, I understand now why there is a separate entry just recently saw the main page for the main series and saw that there is a note that Episode 0 has a separate entry. I have no more complaints. |
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| If this is its own entry then I see no reason why Aikatsu S2 and S3 should not be split up when they are branded and marketed as different anime in the first place, unlike this first episode of Fate/stay night. |
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rederoin said: The episode will be longer than the normal episodes, so it would not fit in with the rest of the entry(which will be listed as the standard 24min runtime). next week's episode will be an hour too though. |
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| Let's solve confusion with more confusion. |
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silverwalls said: But it's labeled Episode 1, not episode 0. Therefore it's fine. The studio even labels it as episode 1.rederoin said: The episode will be longer than the normal episodes, so it would not fit in with the rest of the entry(which will be listed as the standard 24min runtime). next week's episode will be an hour too though. |
TyrelOct 5, 2014 3:37 PM
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| So does MAL have a policy for when an episode is significantly longer than the rest? |
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ReaperCreeper said: So does MAL have a policy for when an episode is significantly longer than the rest? There are episodes of 2 hours and half of Detective Conan that aired as just one, so i don't think so. |
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ReaperCreeper said: So does MAL have a policy for when an episode is significantly longer than the rest? No. If they still label it as "Episode 1," then it's episode 1. |
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Tyrel said: silverwalls said: But it's labeled Episode 1, not episode 0. Therefore it's fine. The studio even labels it as episode 1.next week's episode will be an hour too though. He was responding to the person who thought the episode being longer mattered. There really should be some modifications though, because while this fits for some episode 0s, this one was clearly part of the series. The next episode is going to continue off right where episode 0 ended. Episode 0 is a very important part of the series. You can't skip it, the series wouldn't make sense otherwise. Which brings me back to the point that there should be modifications. |
| Previously: BlueXRam |
| I agree with this too, this is just the prologue for the serie as an episode. How is this an entire different anime serie? Secondly the episode one and two length is going to be 45-60min therefor it also does not hold up the standard episode length either. The episode is relevant and does belong to the FSN Unlimited Bladeworks series, official airtime was 4 Oct. |
BlueXRam said: Which brings me back to the point that there should be modifications. Yes. Like if episode 0 aired before episode 1, it shouldn't be split |
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Ukkoclap said: I agree with this too, this is just the prologue for the serie as an episode. How is this an entire different anime serie? Secondly the episode one and two length is going to be 45-60min therefor it also does not hold up the standard episode length either. The episode is relevant and does belong to the FSN Unlimited Bladeworks series, official airtime was 4 Oct. Except that it's not counted in the episode count. For example, take a show that's set as 25 Series, and they air "Episode 0," which they don't count in said series, basically putting it at 26 episodes but yet the studio says 25. It adds confusion and splitting it shouldn't be that confusing. It doesn't matter if it has more episodes being longer length, it's still called "Episode 1 and 2." I'm no anime mod here, but that's what I come to, to the best of my understanding |
TyrelOct 6, 2014 11:51 PM
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| Then why is episode 0 included here: http://myanimelist.net/anime/25045/Barakamon:_Mijikamon? |
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Serhiyko said: Then why is episode 0 included here: http://myanimelist.net/anime/25045/Barakamon:_Mijikamon? I'm no anime mod here, but that's what I come to, to the best of my understanding. Please read carefully next time. I never said it was certain - since I'm no anime mod. |
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| It wasn't even aimed at your personally, but as a general argument against anyone who defends the guidelines. And since you were the one doing so, saying you have no authority hardly changes anything, as it doesn't make your point any more or less valid in the first place, it's just that mods have the power to change something - only in this case, you don't. Anyway, lets wait for anime mods then, if they have the will to answer to that question |
SerhiykoOct 7, 2014 1:23 PM
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ReaperCreeper said: So does MAL have a policy for when an episode is significantly longer than the rest? The duration of the entry will reflect it once finished airing. Serhiyko said: Then why is episode 0 included here: http://myanimelist.net/anime/25045/Barakamon:_Mijikamon? Anime DB Guidelines says: OVA/Special episodes will be combined into one entry unless it is indicated that one is a sequel of another. Mijikamon episode 0 is included in that entry because those are basically the specials for the main entry, later bundled on DVD volumes; those happened to be released first on YouTube, and that's how we determined its type, making it an ONA. Content-wise there's practically nothing connecting those short specials, so we decided to maintain the 12 short episodes and episode 0 together. |
MikedOct 7, 2014 6:28 PM
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Miked said: Ah, I see.ReaperCreeper said: So does MAL have a policy for when an episode is significantly longer than the rest? The duration of the entry will reflect it once finished airing. |
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| Am I the only one who completely agrees with this decision? If it's episode 0, it's not episode 1. It deserves its own entry. |
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