Gaming is not a sport

Zergneedsfood said:
It isn't an ad hominem. It's making sure I don't get myself into an argument with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

And it's fairly obviously you don't know what you're talking about lol

Zergneedsfood said:
Uhhh no. I might think you're stupid but that's not why I disregard your argument.

I think you're obstinately ignorant, which is not the same as being stupid.

To generalize all games as only for entertainment and to say that the primary purpose of sports is to compete is just hilariously fallacious and misguided. Why should I argue with someone who probably can't give any real examples, explain himself beyond the most elementary of questions, because he doesn't know anything about the subject matter?

And even if it was an ad hominem, that doesn't make me wrong. You still have no clue what you're talking about, so nothing has changed.

DerpHole said:
I'm fine with the term e-sport.

"Athletes" & "sport" when applied to video games just sounds ridiculous.

DerpHole said:
I'm fine with the term e-sport.

"Athletes" & "sport" when applied to video games just sounds ridiculous.

Zergneedsfood said:
lol

I don't think you've given a valid argument though.

If you prove you have experience with competitive games, and if you stop saying stupid shit like "sports' primary purpose is to compete with others while games primary purpose is for entertainment" maybe I'd lend an ear.

But until you make a valid argument, why bother with someone like you? lol

There's nothing wrong with ad hominem when clearly the person in question is wrong and has not made a valid point. You're not making a valid point. You just come off as either a troll or willfully ignorant, both of which is much worse than me calling it as it is.

sports said:
have an element of competition
be in no way harmful to any living creature
not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport

Zergneedsfood said:
The root word of sport in French also has to do with "leisure"

Zergneedsfood said:
archaic and irrelevant

Zergneedsfood said:
Most games do not have significant RNG components to them to actually warrant there being luck involved.

Zergneedsfood said:
You're the one that brought it up, not me. I'm saying if you're going to rely on traditional definitions, you might as well rely on the right ones rather than just picking and choosing whatever you want.

You do know that's not powered by a single supplier right? LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

By this logic all NBA games need to be played in broad daylight, and so do tennis tournaments, the super bowl, the World Cup, all because their stadiums are powered by electricity.

And no, most competitive games do not rely on a great deal of luck. Most games do not have significant RNG components to them to actually warrant there being luck involved. Again, since you can't cite any specific games, I'm just going to assume that you don't know any competitive game to any legitimate degree to warrant any further discussion on this topic.

Zergneedsfood said:
In fact, if you wanted to play the sematics argument, the original etymological origin of the word sport comes from the French word desport meaning leisure and at some point in the English language meant "anything people found entertaining."

Zergneedsfood said:
Because JD brought up a rule saying that a game can't be considered a sport if it majorly relies on RNG.

Which in most competitive games it doesn't.

And yes, late game in LoL for ADCs is in RNG because of crit chance, but I don't remember a single game where it was so down to the wire that a single crit or multiple crits decided the game.

The point is not that RNG doesn't exist or isn't even that it isn't built fundamentally into how the game is played. The point is that it doesn't matter in competitive play, and I don't think there's been a single professional league of legends game that has really been decided by that.

In fact there's only one video in the entirety of my experience in LoL where RNG just insanely affected a game, and that was a game where imaqtpie randomly was crit by a 1% crit rune in solo queue....and that was hilarious. :P

xJapaliicious said:
It's not RNG on League, it's pseudo-RNG. If you have 20% crit chance, you will ALWAYS crit 1/5 of times, it's predicable.

Although RNG still RNG.

Xari said:



No. You will not always crit 1/5 of the times, lol. That's not how probability works. Probability doesn't work like this ...

1) 1/5 chance to crit. Failed to crit, bump it to 2/5.
2) 2/5 failed, bump it to 3/5
3) 3/5 failed, bump it to 4/5
4) 4/5 failed, bump it to 5/5


The crit chance will always remain at 1/5 and is not guarantee a crit chance of at least 1 time in 5 attacks. Please try flipping a coin and tell me if you always get 1 heads and 1 tails.

R32 said:
Isn't luck just as much a thing in real sports than video games?

xJapaliicious said:
I think you don't know the difference between RNG and pseudo-RNG

Xari said:
Draven with 10% crit chance crits my ADC 4 times in a row? Off of your logic that shouldn't happen.

Zergneedsfood said:
Let's be real here, achieving "real" RNG is super fucking hard, and I doubt there are many games that actually have "real" RNG.

Zergneedsfood said:
That's obviously not the games we were talking about, but okay? o_O

Unless suddenly monopoly became the center of our "gaming is not a sport" conversation.

Someone said:
“If you don’t want to call it athletics or sports, that doesn’t mean anything to me, That doesn’t change the reality of the massive growth we’re seeing.”

Cheeeeeeese said:

OP, I know you don't consider it as a sport but at the rate E-sports is growing right now, It will eventually be acknowledged as a sport. Personally, I don't believe gaming is a sport..... yet.

Zergneedsfood said:
I don't think I have to clarify anything when I've obviously been discussing one particular set of games, especially when the topic of discussion was video games.

The only reason why people bring up the topic of games and sports in the same sentence is because a set of games (notably Starcraft, DotA, LoL, Smash/various other fighting games, and Counter Strike) have shook up the perception of what may or may not qualify as a sport.

Pretty obvious that those were the type of games I was speaking of. zzz

In other words, sure, whatever, monopoly has "real" RNG because the dice roll is "truly" random, but the RNG people were obviously speaking of was pre-programmed random number generation, which is why I stated that it is hard to get real RNG....as in real algorithmic/coded RNG.

Why I have to make this obvious and spell it out for people? I have no clue. T__T

Let's be real here, achieving "real" RNG is super fucking hard, and I doubt there are many games that actually have "real" RNG.

I don't think I have to clarify anything when I've obviously been discussing one particular set of games, especially when the topic of discussion was video games.

Udgey said:
I don't comprehend. The concept of RNG is to be unpredictable and random. I was only answering your statement
with games that rely on an rng element such as monopoly and candy land.

And no, you always have to clarify because I can easily mistake what you're posting for as something else. Chess has been referred to a lot in this thread and it isn't a video game.

Ryugen said:
Video games take skill, so why can't there be a large competitive scene for it? You don't have to classify it as a sport in your head, but pro LoL players ARE getting athlete visas, so you could argue that they technically are.

Of course putting a label on it means nothing. You're still just playing a video game. There really is no need to get angry over calling it a sport because we're not going to change our views of gamers being nerds overnight to jocks.

Ryugen said:
Video games take skill, so why can't there be a large competitive scene for it? You don't have to classify it as a sport in your head, but pro LoL players ARE getting athlete visas, so you could argue that they technically are.

Of course putting a label on it means nothing. You're still just playing a video game. There really is no need to get angry over calling it a sport because we're not going to change our views of gamers being nerds overnight to jocks.

b1GZZ said:
Gaming is "electronic sports" aka sports for fingers, hands and eyes, basically it doesn't affect your life negatively but it won't affect positively either.

Udgey said:
Though it may not apply to where some of you live, I've never met people who said Football or Soccer was fun. Thrilling and entertaining? Yes, but fun? It can be uncomfortable. If I were to play Super Smash Bros and someone bitched at me for picking Jigglypuff because Jigglypuff isn't a "top tier pick" or some shit I will point and laugh at you and call you a filthy plebeian. There just needs to be a fine line between "this is for fun" and "this is for sports"

Guaporense said:


Well, in Brazil I had a lot of friends who played soccer 6 hours a day when they were kids for the fun of it. Soccer is a game just like a videogame but involving physical activity. In a way most videogames can be understood as a way to make physical games easier to play as to not involve in any physical exertion, so people can play it 12 hours a day and not get exhausted from it.

Minagatachi said:
Calling gaming a sport would be just as ridiculous as calling car racing a sport, oh wait.

ReaperCreeper said:
No it's not. Just because you sweat when you press a button doesn't mean it's a physical activity.

Cyanwasserstoff said:
Yeah, like "motor sport" is called a sort of sport.

Yeah, to drive a car is like doing sport ? What the ...


I do not think that gaming should be called to be an sport.

Stalker-tan said:
You should watch 'Free to Play' by Valve. There's a whole lot more dedication on the professional level.

Zergneedsfood said:
lol, this car debate

I don't care about professional racing, but this idea that "Oh, you wouldn't be able to handle driving a race car" is just fogging up the issue.

I guarantee no one here can handle playing a game at the highest level of pro play, so what's the difference? Are we still discussing the fact that a sport needs to be about physical exertion? Then you guys clearly haven't been paying attention to the times lol

Cyaegha said:


Then you completely missed the point. He devalued professional racing on the basis that 'there was no physical activity involved, the car does everything for you'. You can't liken that to sitting in an air-condtioned hall playing League, no matter what way you spin it.

Gaming is not a sport. It's an E-sport.