do mother have moral right to kill her newborn baby?

Siscon2000 said:
If she is the one who created that life then she might have a right to destroy it as well.

there are a lot of stories when mother kills her baby as soon as its born. whatever reasons are (financial problems, psychological problems, other problems) usually intollerant society condenm such womens as soon as possible, but is it really all black or white? if you growing something inside your own private body with your own resources arent its you who's in charge of what to do with it next? arent its womens decision if she wants to have (and feed) that burden or not? who are society to force women to create a life and then feed it with her own resources?

If our modern society sees abortions as rightful choice of women who is the owner of her body why society dont seeing this as another form of abortion? arent its the same? whats the difference between killing feetus before birth or after birth? is it really makes any difference?

so, should such a womens be condemned and/or punished? or it is just another form of abortion and supposed to be rightful womens choice? give us your opinion about this complicated matter.



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katsucats said:
Most people have a rather arbitrary view on the beginning of life, leading to some oddly ardent, deeply seated ideas about morality that they can't rationally explain. One of these ideas is that there is a cutoff point when life spontaneously arises, when some non-moral cellular organism becomes a "human being". Different such points have been suggested, such as conception, when the fetus develops consciousness, when the fetus is able to move, when the fetus is born, etc.

All of these share the fundamental problem of arbitrariness. For example, if a baby is about to be born, but still in the womb, can he be killed? There is no split second when it could be determined that a baby spontaneously achieves consciousness--unlike video games, things develop over time. Then there are problems that science have brought forth, such as that there are very often multiple zygotes that enter the same embryo, that sometimes split into multiple potential fetuses and recombine, thus challenging the idea that there is a soul for every zygote at conception.

Another idea is that fetuses have increasing moral value as they develop and mature. However, the peak maturity of any human being is around 25 years of age, and no one would suggest that a 10 year old is worth less than a 25 year old adult. So this theory also requires an arbitrary cutoff, whether at birth or any other point.