| In many recent anime like SAO, AoT and Mahouka we have characters that are perfect and have no flaws, ridiculous plot armour and are chick magnets, honestly i've seen less obvious Gary Stu's and Mary Sue's in fanfiction. Admittedly these shows have way more problems than their dull MC's but they would benefit enormously from having more flawed and human characters. |
KokkoMay 29, 2014 9:35 AM
| What exactly are you asking us to discuss? |
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pLaguE_ said: What exactly are you asking us to discuss? Gary Stu's and Mary Sue's. |
kokkoderrisch said: pLaguE_ said: What exactly are you asking us to discuss? Gary Stu's and Mary Sue's. You didn't really ask anything in the OP. All you're doing is blogging. |
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pLaguE_ said: kokkoderrisch said: pLaguE_ said: What exactly are you asking us to discuss? Gary Stu's and Mary Sue's. You didn't really ask anything in the OP. All you're doing is blogging. I'm new to this stuff senpai, please forgive me. |
| Hey the MC in Mahouka is not perfect otherwise he would be course 1 student. Yeah, I can't even convince myself. Who's the Gary Stu in AoT though? Levy? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Hey the MC in Mahouka is not perfect otherwise he would be course 1 student. Yeah, I can't even convince myself. Who's the Gary Stu in AoT though? Levy? Yup. |
| The AoT mc wasn't a gary stu. He was an emotional bitch of a character who couldn't control himself to save his life. He's not even all that strong. |
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Korrvo said: The AoT mc wasn't a gary stu. He was an emotional bitch of a character who couldn't control himself to save his life. He's not even all that strong. In AoT's case it's Levi. |
Korrvo said: We all know you're tsundere for Eren (I had to google his name), but they meant Levi.The AoT mc wasn't a gary stu. He was an emotional bitch of a character who couldn't control himself to save his life. He's not even all that strong. |
kokkoderrisch said: He's a supporting character and he's not fleshed out enough to bother calling him a gary stu. He's just "that guy" who's strong and he knows what he's doing.Korrvo said: The AoT mc wasn't a gary stu. He was an emotional bitch of a character who couldn't control himself to save his life. He's not even all that strong. In AoT's case it's Levi. Ckan said: I-I don't have a thing for angry german kids, baka!We all know you're tsundere for Eren (I had to google his name), but they meant Levi. |
KorrvoMay 29, 2014 9:39 AM
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| Well, Levy didn't bother me because he wasn't the MC. Nothing wrong with having that overpowered senpai/sensei character in a battle shounen like AoT imo. Mahouka is an obvious case but I actually enjoy that about the MC, the show would probably be less interesting if he wasn't as capable as he is, because a lot of the rest of the show sucks. SAO is just bad, nothing to discuss here, Kirito was not the main problem but still a part of it. I can't say these character types are always good or bad, it depends on how they are implemented in their shows. NGNL is a pretty good example of how to make good use of a Gary Stu character. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm still not exactly sure if you should call those two stu characters. Yea they are smart beyond comparison and awesome as fuck because of it, but that's all they got going for them.NGNL is a pretty good example of how to make good use of a Gary Stu character. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
Korrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm still not exactly sure if you should call those two stu characters. Yea they are smart beyond comparison and awesome as fuck because of it, but that's all they got going for them.NGNL is a pretty good example of how to make good use of a Gary Stu character. But yeah, that was on my mind too. We could call Blank a Gary Stu if that's better ^^. |
AlcoholicideMay 29, 2014 9:45 AM
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: spoiler tags manKorrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm still not exactly sure if you should call those two stu characters. Yea they are smart beyond comparison and awesome as fuck because of it, but that's all they got going for them.NGNL is a pretty good example of how to make good use of a Gary Stu character. But yeah, that was on my mind too. We could call Blank a Gary Stu if that's better ^^. And yea sure let's go with that then. Unless you challenge them to sports anyway. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
| Mahouka's MC perfect? No, he really isn't. Take a look at the show's title as a starting hint, The Irregular At Magic High School. Though if you OP want to perceive him as perfect so be it. |
stealthdasher said: Mahouka's MC perfect? No, he really isn't. Take a look at the shows title as a starting hint, The Irregular At Magic High School. Though if you OP want to perceive him as perfect so be it. Sure buddy.... |
Korrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: spoiler tags manKorrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm still not exactly sure if you should call those two stu characters. Yea they are smart beyond comparison and awesome as fuck because of it, but that's all they got going for them.NGNL is a pretty good example of how to make good use of a Gary Stu character. But yeah, that was on my mind too. We could call Blank a Gary Stu if that's better ^^. And yea sure let's go with that then. Unless you challenge them to sports anyway. Didn't think that minor and vague information warranted a spoilertag, but well. And yeah, I wonder if that'll ever come up in the series. Challenge them to a weight-lifting contest or whatever and they don't stand a chance. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I just wanna see what's gonna happen with Mahouka. The Gary Stu doesn't even bother me cause I heard the story is suppose to get a lot better later on and I'm curious. It is Madhouse so if it's a quality source material then it's bound to be good. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
stealthdasher said: Mahouka's MC perfect? No, he really isn't. Take a look at the show's title as a starting hint, The Irregular At Magic High School. Though if you OP want to perceive him as perfect so be it. His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: If anything it just amplifies how cool he looks.His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
| People always have problems...no matter how the characters are. Compromise, people. Fucking compromise! |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
Korrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: If anything it just amplifies how cool he looks.His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. Absolutely. Without his sister it would be an easy 8/10 so far, but given how she demands at least 1 or 2 minutes of pandering time each episode it's still a 6 with potential for more. Rarely have I watched a show with such a gap in enjoyment in each episode. BUT the potential overweighs the imouto so I just want to get to the lategame arcs that are supposed to be epic. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I really think there is no "perfect" character as every fiction character has some kind of flaw or something. |
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Korrvo said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: If anything it just amplifies how cool he looks.His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. The discrimination in this anime is so exaggarated that it's nearly a parody, but somehow it's handled completely seriously. Why does the discrimination exist you ask? To make Tatsuya look cool, that's why. |
| I think they get too much hate. Like stop being jealous please. |
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tsudecimo said: I think they get too much hate. Like stop being jealous please. I don't hate them, they're just bad characters. What's the fun in having a self-insert or wish fulfillment protagonist? |
Fuusuke said: There's no absolute meaning to be found in words. It's all relative, they are merely signifiers. Nothing has true borders. "Perfect" is an illusion, and that "illusion" is not real. "Real" is not of reality.I really think there is no "perfect" character as every fiction character has some kind of flaw or something. What is meaning!? |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'll admit it doesn't bother me as much as it does others because I have that fetish it's clearly quality writing.]Absolutely. Without his sister it would be an easy 8/10 so far, but given how she demands at least 1 or 2 minutes of pandering time each episode it's still a 6 with potential for more. Rarely have I watched a show with such a gap in enjoyment in each episode. BUT the potential overweighs the imouto so I just want to get to the lategame arcs that are supposed to be epic. kokkoderrisch said: Well if you think about it, it makes sense that the heavy discrimination is there. In regular school, all you have is written work and shit which half of the school doesn't care about and the rest don't bother turning it into a competition, but in a magic school that puts you into classes you can be proud/ashamed of due to it being based off natural magical skill, it's very easy to see why discrimination is as prominent as it is.The discrimination in this anime is so exaggarated that it's nearly a parody, but somehow it's handled completely seriously. Why does the discrimination exist you ask? To make Tatsuya look cool, that's why. A weed insulting a bloom is like a punch in the pride. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
| They suck and most of the time they are boring. It works better if they are in battle shounen. |
Ckan said: Fuusuke said: There's no absolute meaning to be found in words. It's all relative, they are merely signifiers. Why do we even bother writing?I really think there is no "perfect" character as every fiction character has some kind of flaw or something. Made me chuckle +1. Why doesn't MAL have a like button? I like like buttons. |
kokkoderrisch said: Ask people who watch porn.tsudecimo said: I think they get too much hate. Like stop being jealous please. I don't hate them, they're just bad characters. What's the fun in having a self-insert or wish fulfillment protagonist? |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
kokkoderrisch said: Ckan said: Fuusuke said: There's no absolute meaning to be found in words. It's all relative, they are merely signifiers. Why do we even bother writing?I really think there is no "perfect" character as every fiction character has some kind of flaw or something. Made me chuckle +1. Why doesn't MAL have a like button? I like like buttons. Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
kokkoderrisch said: Well if you think about it, it makes sense that the heavy discrimination is there. In regular school, all you have is written work and shit which half of the school doesn't care about and the rest don't bother turning it into a competition, but in a magic school that puts you into classes you can be proud/ashamed of due to it being based off natural magical skill, it's very easy to see why discrimination is as prominent as it is.The discrimination in this anime is so exaggarated that it's nearly a parody, but somehow it's handled completely seriously. Why does the discrimination exist you ask? To make Tatsuya look cool, that's why. A weed insulting a bloom is like a punch in the pride. You still have to admit that it's exaggerated. |
skyzblue said: This^. This isn't reddit.Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... kokkoderrisch said: I really can't. It makes perfect sense to me.You still have to admit that it's exaggerated. Especially when you consider that it's only really flared up BECAUSE the MC broke the barriers like he did. It makes sense you'd get that much emphasis on it. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
Korrvo said: skyzblue said: This^. This isn't reddit.Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... kokkoderrisch said: I really can't. It makes perfect sense to me.You still have to admit that it's exaggerated. What kind of government would allow discrimination in schools in the 2090's? Even the names are insulting. |
skyzblue said: kokkoderrisch said: Ckan said: Fuusuke said: There's no absolute meaning to be found in words. It's all relative, they are merely signifiers. Why do we even bother writing?I really think there is no "perfect" character as every fiction character has some kind of flaw or something. Made me chuckle +1. Why doesn't MAL have a like button? I like like buttons. Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... Makes sense. But i still like like buttons. |
Korrvo said: skyzblue said: This^. This isn't reddit.Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... kokkoderrisch said: I really can't. It makes perfect sense to me.You still have to admit that it's exaggerated. Especially when you consider that it's only really flared up BECAUSE the MC broke the barriers like he did. It makes sense you'd get that much emphasis on it. Didn't it all start because someone ordered the wrong uniforms by accident or something? I have to admit the backstory of the origin of discriminations was pretty lame. Not having enough teachers and then accidentally getting a batch of different-looking uniforums and deciding 'the lesser half of the students will wear those now and not get taught properly' needed my suspension of disbelief go SSY. And how does this problem stay unsolved and becomes established? Why not just recruit more teachers from future graduates? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I have no idea lol. For me most of the plot got lost in all the technobabble. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Korrvo said: skyzblue said: This^. This isn't reddit.Like buttons are kept hidden to stop the pseudo prophets from rambling... kokkoderrisch said: I really can't. It makes perfect sense to me.You still have to admit that it's exaggerated. Especially when you consider that it's only really flared up BECAUSE the MC broke the barriers like he did. It makes sense you'd get that much emphasis on it. Didn't it all start because someone ordered the wrong uniforms by accident or something? I have to admit the backstory of the origin of discriminations was pretty lame. Not having enough teachers and then accidentally getting a batch of different-looking uniforums and deciding 'the lesser half of the students will wear those now and not get taught properly' needed my suspension of disbelief go SSY. And how does this problem stay unsolved and becomes established? Why not just recruit more teachers from future graduates? SHHHHHH don't ask questions. Questions are bad. |
| Well, in the end my suspension of disbelief will soon reach SSY2 and then I'll be able to almost buy anything a show throws at me without questioning it. Shows like Mahouka are good training partners. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I can deal with em if their at least fun to watch (Alucard from Hellsing, Onizuka from GTO, Ryo Saeba from City Hunter, Claire Stanfield from Baccano!). Basically all I need is a little charisma and good comedy I could do with less Tatsuyas though |
gedataMay 29, 2014 10:25 AM
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. You may have missed another of the MC's flaws which has been depicted albeit a bit more subtly in the early arcs. This flaw for me is a big factor for Tatsuya's imperfection and adds to his 'Irregular' classification. I guess it will be elaborated on a bit more on in later episodes. The discrimination theme will be elaborated upon more as well, your choice how you want to perceive it. |
stealthdasher said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. You may have missed another of the MC's flaws which has been depicted albeit a bit more subtly in the early arcs. This flaw for me is a big factor for Tatsuya's imperfection and adds to his 'Irregular' classification. I guess it will be elaborated on a bit more on in later episodes. None of Tatsuya's weaknesses impede him from accomplishing his major endeavours. The anime is only paying lip-service to his imperfections. In reality, the dude is presented as being always right, can do whatever he puts his mind to (very very easily) and can make any girl's pantsu a dripping mess in two seconds flat. |
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| Also I'm just gonna throw out there that even though Claire Stanfield was a Gary Stu, he was nothing short of one of the most awesome characters of all time. It all depends on the context. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
gedata said: stealthdasher said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: His only weakness so far is that he didn't make it as a course 1 student but he can compensate for that in dozens of ways so when it comes down to it it's not a relevant weakness at all. So far at least. You may have missed another of the MC's flaws which has been depicted albeit a bit more subtly in the early arcs. This flaw for me is a big factor for Tatsuya's imperfection and adds to his 'Irregular' classification. I guess it will be elaborated on a bit more on in later episodes. None of Tatsuya's weaknesses impede him from accomplishing his major endeavours. The anime is only paying lip-service to his imperfections. In reality, the dude is presented as being always right, can do whatever he puts his mind to (very very easily) and can make any girl's pantsu a dripping mess in two seconds flat. ↑ This. ↑ |
| I'm reading the Black Cat manga atm. The MC Train looks to be a gary stu, but to hell with it. The guy's cool and entertaining. Enough to satisfy me. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
gedata said: None of Tatsuya's weaknesses impede him from accomplishing his major endeavours. The anime is only paying lip-service to his imperfections. In reality, the dude is presented as being always right, can do whatever he puts his mind to (very very easily) and can make any girl's pantsu a dripping mess in two seconds flat. Yeah you should've got the gist that the dude's pretty powerful but the forums topic is 'perfect' characters which I'm arguing he isn't. Also you should be trying to question why exactly he's been able to handle the situations that have been presented so far and we're in a world where magicians are equivalent to monsters and weapons, surely there are other poweful beings out there who will present themselves. Not too sure on the pantsu dripping. Perhaps your over amplifying brocon imotou who's relationship with him will be explained more in later arcs and misunderstanding some others as well. |
AzlanMay 29, 2014 10:51 AM
stealthdasher said: gedata said: None of Tatsuya's weaknesses impede him from accomplishing his major endeavours. The anime is only paying lip-service to his imperfections. In reality, the dude is presented as being always right, can do whatever he puts his mind to (very very easily) and can make any girl's pantsu a dripping mess in two seconds flat. Yeah you should've got the gist that the dudes pretty OP but the forums topic is 'perfect' characters which I'm arguing he isn't. Also you should be trying to question why exactly he's been able to handle the situations that have been presented so far. Also we're in a world where magicians are equivalent to monsters and weapons, surely there are other OP beings out there who will present themselves. Not too sure on the pantsuit dripping. Perhaps your over amplifying brocon imotou who's relationship with him will be explained more in later arcs and misunderstanding some others as well. Most females can't stay in his presence without constantly blushing though. But it gets overshadowed by the brocon so it doesn't feel harem-ish to me just yet. |
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