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Mar 16, 2014 7:18 AM

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jenchiuk said:

Also if Sayu X Kaname, Chisaki X Tsumugu, Hikari X Manaka then who does Miuna end up with? Could it be she ends up with that Minegishi guy who confessed to her?

Oh c'mon.. She has no feelings to the boy from the village. It is impossible that she start love him during the remaining three series
Mar 16, 2014 7:37 AM

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LiMaKuS said:
jenchiuk said:

Also if Sayu X Kaname, Chisaki X Tsumugu, Hikari X Manaka then who does Miuna end up with? Could it be she ends up with that Minegishi guy who confessed to her?

Oh c'mon.. She has no feelings to the boy from the village. It is impossible that she start love him during the remaining three series


I will be happy if Sayu x Kaname will happen,
and Miuna will stay alone with Ena.

I remember episode when Sayu said something like "You have everything",
so at last... at the end I hope Sayu could be with guy who she like and happiness,
when Miuna alone with Ena.
Mar 16, 2014 7:38 AM

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LiMaKuS said:
jenchiuk said:

Also if Sayu X Kaname, Chisaki X Tsumugu, Hikari X Manaka then who does Miuna end up with? Could it be she ends up with that Minegishi guy who confessed to her?

Oh c'mon.. She has no feelings to the boy from the village. It is impossible that she start love him during the remaining three series
This. They wouldn't pair off Miuna with someone who has had a total of 5 minutes screen time throughout the entire series. With that triangle it can go 3 ways:
1. Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice and Hikari x Miuna is hinted at the end.
2. Miuna sacrifices herself to restore Manaka's ability to feel love (Which I hope won't happen because she doesn't deserve that)
3. By some ridiculous miracle Manaka is restored without the need for a sacrifice, and it'd still be Hikari x Manaka with Miuna alone.

Not every character has to be paired with someone. I don't think Kaname x Sayu will officially happen but they'll probably be shown as getting closer at the end. Tsumugu x Chisaki is the most likely to happen because her feelings are irritatingly vague. She said she still liked Hikari once throughout the entire 2nd half, and no other mentions of her feelings were made. Makes her "like" for Hikari seem very fickle.
Mar 16, 2014 7:45 AM

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I don't think Miuna have chance to be with Hikari,
even if Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice.

I don't know, but I have Jinta from AnoHana feelings for Hikari.
Even if he can't be with his love, he don't start to be with somebody else.

After start there was always Hikari/Manaka...
Just... Hikari/Manaka, or Hikari alone...
Mar 16, 2014 7:48 AM

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Madara31 said:
This. They wouldn't pair off Miuna with someone who has had a total of 5 minutes screen time throughout the entire series. With that triangle it can go 3 ways:
1. Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice and Hikari x Miuna is hinted at the end.
2. Miuna sacrifices herself to restore Manaka's ability to feel love (Which I hope won't happen because she doesn't deserve that)
3. By some ridiculous miracle Manaka is restored without the need for a sacrifice, and it'd still be Hikari x Manaka with Miuna alone.

Not every character has to be paired with someone. I don't think Kaname x Sayu will officially happen but they'll probably be shown as getting closer at the end. Tsumugu x Chisaki is the most likely to happen because her feelings are irritatingly vague. She said she still liked Hikari once throughout the entire 2nd half, and no other mentions of her feelings were made. Makes her "like" for Hikari seem very fickle.

Or maybe Hikari sacrifice himself?) This heroic act would be a good end to my mind
Mar 16, 2014 8:02 AM

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LittleStar said:
I don't think Miuna have chance to be with Hikari,
even if Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice.

I don't know, but I have Jinta from AnoHana feelings for Hikari.
Even if he can't be with his love, he don't start to be with somebody else.

After start there was always Hikari/Manaka...
Just... Hikari/Manaka, or Hikari alone...
The same can be said of Kaname x Sayu. That's why I think that even if the show were to go down those routes, Hikari x Miuna and Kaname x Sayu probably won't officially happen, and they would only hint at them getting closer. Because even at the end of AnoHana Jinta was shown to be steadily getting closer to Naruko by going to school with her.
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Madara31 said:
This. They wouldn't pair off Miuna with someone who has had a total of 5 minutes screen time throughout the entire series. With that triangle it can go 3 ways:
1. Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice and Hikari x Miuna is hinted at the end.
2. Miuna sacrifices herself to restore Manaka's ability to feel love (Which I hope won't happen because she doesn't deserve that)
3. By some ridiculous miracle Manaka is restored without the need for a sacrifice, and it'd still be Hikari x Manaka with Miuna alone.

Not every character has to be paired with someone. I don't think Kaname x Sayu will officially happen but they'll probably be shown as getting closer at the end. Tsumugu x Chisaki is the most likely to happen because her feelings are irritatingly vague. She said she still liked Hikari once throughout the entire 2nd half, and no other mentions of her feelings were made. Makes her "like" for Hikari seem very fickle.

Or maybe Hikari sacrifice himself?) This heroic act would be a good end to my mind
Yeah that could also happen. I'm not sure how it would work because I thought the sacrifice had to be female, but maybe that's the ridiculous miracle that may happen. Although I guess any form of sacrifice can't really be considered a miracle.
Mar 16, 2014 8:13 AM

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Madara31 said:
Yeah that could also happen. I'm not sure how it would work because I thought the sacrifice had to be female, but maybe that's the ridiculous miracle that may happen. Although I guess any form of sacrifice can't really be considered a miracle.
Oh yeah.. really.. Miuna be able to replace the Ojioshi-sama. Hikari hardly... But still, it would be nice
Mar 16, 2014 8:14 AM

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Madara31 said:
The same can be said of Kaname x Sayu. That's why I think that even if the show were to go down those routes, Hikari x Miuna and Kaname x Sayu probably won't officially happen, and they would only hint at them getting closer. Because even at the end of AnoHana Jinta was shown to be steadily getting closer to Naruko by going to school with her.


Yeah, I have feeling that Hikari/Manaka as couple or if they can't be together
there will be hint that Hikari will stay alone and wait for Manaka
, and Kaname/Sayu and Tsumugu/Chisaki with hints that they can be together,
or hint that something can happen between them in future...

Just like in AnoHana xD
Mar 16, 2014 9:51 AM

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Seems like Hikari x Miuna pairing won't work after all.
Oh, well.
One tsunami onegai shimasu!

Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Only 3 episodes to go...
I'm predicting:
Tsumugu x Chisaki
Kaname x Sayu
Hikari x Manaka
Miuna x random school dude

Also predicting that either Kaname or Hikari are related to sea god in some way.


To be honest I already predicted that after that time skip. It's the only possible way to full happy ending.
I still hope it won't happen, but...... maybe it's time to stop deceiving myself? lol
Mar 16, 2014 11:26 AM

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How the fuck did Tsumugu suddenly got an Ena? Because of that bullshit the probability of Chisaki accepting his feelings is now much higher. FUCK THIS.

Tsumugu is a coward. He waited 5 years before telling Chisaki her feelings. After they lived together. After Chisaki treated him like a brother. So you want Chisaki to change your view to you from family to lover? Wow that's fucking bullshit. I hope he never comes back from the university.

Is the Sea God in this series an idiot? Why is he giving Tsumugu Ena too?! Is it about his feelings? How strong is his feelings that he lied from Chisaki this whole time they were together?

Sigh. I still have a bit of hope but fuck I don't want Chisaki to end up with Tsumugu.
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For some reason I think the show will end with another time skip. I'm also prepared for a bad/bittersweet ending. I do not think Chisaki will reciprocate to Tsumugu's confession. At least not yet.
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Zeally said:
For some reason I think the show will end with another time skip. I'm also prepared for a bad/bittersweet ending. I do not think Chisaki will reciprocate to Tsumugu's confession. At least not yet.

I hope so and will and without "At least not yet." It will be a great relief for me
Mar 16, 2014 11:50 AM

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-MgZ_ said:
Tsumugu is a coward. He waited 5 years before telling Chisaki her feelings. After they lived together. After Chisaki treated him like a brother. So you want Chisaki to change your view to you from family to lover? Wow that's fucking bullshit. I hope he never comes back from the university.


He waited, because he know she have feelings for Tsumugu,
and he waited when sea kids will wake up to make a move.
Rewatch this episode when Kaname talk with Tsumugu in his house,
when Chisaki was drunk.

Also Tsumugu is child of couple from Sea,
so after Miuna most people when he will got his Ena.

Zeally said:
For some reason I think the show will end with another time skip. I'm also prepared for a bad/bittersweet ending. I do not think Chisaki will reciprocate to Tsumugu's confession. At least not yet.


I also have hope for time skip,
but in last minutes of final episode :D
and in last episode we will find out if Chisaki/Tsumugu will happen,
or if there is chance for them.
Mar 16, 2014 12:21 PM

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jenchiuk said:

Also if Sayu X Kaname, Chisaki X Tsumugu, Hikari X Manaka then who does Miuna end up with? Could it be she ends up with that Minegishi guy who confessed to her?

Oh c'mon.. She has no feelings to the boy from the village. It is impossible that she start love him during the remaining three series

Exactly what I thought but at this rate, Miuna may end up alone unless some plot twist occurs and one of the other shippers becomes alone...



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LiMaKuS said:
Madara31 said:
This. They wouldn't pair off Miuna with someone who has had a total of 5 minutes screen time throughout the entire series. With that triangle it can go 3 ways:
1. Manaka goes back to being the sacrifice and Hikari x Miuna is hinted at the end.
2. Miuna sacrifices herself to restore Manaka's ability to feel love (Which I hope won't happen because she doesn't deserve that)
3. By some ridiculous miracle Manaka is restored without the need for a sacrifice, and it'd still be Hikari x Manaka with Miuna alone.

Not every character has to be paired with someone. I don't think Kaname x Sayu will officially happen but they'll probably be shown as getting closer at the end. Tsumugu x Chisaki is the most likely to happen because her feelings are irritatingly vague. She said she still liked Hikari once throughout the entire 2nd half, and no other mentions of her feelings were made. Makes her "like" for Hikari seem very fickle.

Or maybe Hikari sacrifice himself?) This heroic act would be a good end to my mind
Yeah that could also happen. I'm not sure how it would work because I thought the sacrifice had to be female, but maybe that's the ridiculous miracle that may happen. Although I guess any form of sacrifice can't really be considered a miracle.


This shot is definitely worth noting so both Manaka and Miuna will be involved in this potential miracle.






Mar 16, 2014 12:29 PM

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jenchiuk said:
This shot is definitely worth noting so both Manaka and Miuna will be involved in this potential miracle.





...and this :)
Mar 16, 2014 1:11 PM
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Marow said:
Watching two episodes of Nagi no Asukara was a bad idea. I feel terrible now ;_;


Not sure about any two episodes, but Episodes 22 and 23 together were particularly powerful, so you probably felt the combined effect of those two. Mari Okada has done quite a number on us hasn't she!
Mar 16, 2014 2:03 PM

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jenchiuk said:
This shot is definitely worth noting so both Manaka and Miuna will be involved in this potential miracle.





...and this :)


The art is so beautiful in this series! ^_^



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-MgZ_ said:
How the fuck did Tsumugu suddenly got an Ena? Because of that bullshit the probability of Chisaki accepting his feelings is now much higher. FUCK THIS.

Tsumugu is a coward. He waited 5 years before telling Chisaki her feelings. After they lived together. After Chisaki treated him like a brother. So you want Chisaki to change your view to you from family to lover? Wow that's fucking bullshit. I hope he never comes back from the university.

Is the Sea God in this series an idiot? Why is he giving Tsumugu Ena too?! Is it about his feelings? How strong is his feelings that he lied from Chisaki this whole time they were together?

Sigh. I still have a bit of hope but fuck I don't want Chisaki to end up with Tsumugu.


When he has ever lied about his feelings? Your hatred is making you extremely dumb.

In what parallel Japan she treated him as her brother? She treats Kaname as her brother. She treated Tsumugu as one treats her husband. Even she calls herself his ignored housewife. Everyone who pays attention to her sees it. She's acting like a typical Japanese wife. That's why Kaname's so goddamn jealous when he sees them together. He can't mimic their intimacy when he tries (the tea scene the other episode). Chisaki's not attracted to him, she brushes off his confessions.

While she runs off Tsumugu's because she feels something and it scares her, IMO, like Manaka ran from Hikari's feelings for the same reason.

Did you forget what is Chisaki's fear and arc? She is afraid of changing. Realizing and admitting she's no longer the same and loves someone else but Hikari is exactly the obstacle she has to overcome to show he's finally a grown up and not a kid. You'll surely notice she doesn't like spending time with Hikari (she admits she prefers spending time with Tsumugu indirectly in the "I like coffee better" scene), cares when Hikari is sick to see him, avoids him unless she has to help or reacts when he says she's disturbing (when she would have been hurt a lot in the past). She doesn't act like a girl in love anymore.

It's all to keep her childhood fantasy and avoid reality with a escapism method.

Well now Tsumugu has ena. Now she can't run from him anymore. Now she has to face she's an adult woman and not the same girl. She has to move forward. It's the theme of the show. When he's done something that has made her get out her comfort zone, she always does that, runs to the sea so she would not let him get close to her.

She can't run anymore.

Tsumugu felt he couldn't handle the sea. Like Chisaki. He could be beside her and watch over her in his love. Now he's over this. He dives deeply and faces death to face the sea rejection gives him in its cold embrace and the sea instead of rejecting him symbolically accepts him and reciprocates his love, he can handle it now. He has ena. He can handle the sea and to face Chisaki who can't escape like a coward to it. She's the cowardly one.

IMO, It's obvious Chisaki will eventually end up with Tsumugu, once she realizes she's loved him all this time after she accepts she's changed. But first she has to accept she's ready to change. Otherwise her entire character arc would lead nowhere.

Being respectful and non invasive of a girl who was traumatized and struggling is 'cowardly' for her sake when all he wants is to spit it and move forward? I'm sorry he's not creepy and stalkerish or pushy with his boundaries as Kaname has been. Kaname needs to learn to let go from his own sake. Sayu will help him hopefully, even if they won't end up together (As much as I want them too). Kind of hilarious how you claim someone who faced his own death in the frozen waters only to face his loved one a 'coward' and not the girl who ran from him and sank into the sea because she was afraid of changing and face him.

Tsumugu's the bravest of all. He put his own feelings in the backburn without demanding anything from Chisaki. Unlike Kaname who constantly reminds her how much he loves him in an attempt to pressure her. Tsumugu did it for her and when this came to light, he faced certain death only to confess to her.

The difference between a man and a boy. However, Chisaki isn't yet a woman to face Tsumugu. She's still someone playing a little girl.
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-MgZ_ said:
How the fuck did Tsumugu suddenly got an Ena? Because of that bullshit the probability of Chisaki accepting his feelings is now much higher. FUCK THIS.

Tsumugu is a coward. He waited 5 years before telling Chisaki her feelings. After they lived together. After Chisaki treated him like a brother. So you want Chisaki to change your view to you from family to lover? Wow that's fucking bullshit. I hope he never comes back from the university.

Is the Sea God in this series an idiot? Why is he giving Tsumugu Ena too?! Is it about his feelings? How strong is his feelings that he lied from Chisaki this whole time they were together?

Sigh. I still have a bit of hope but fuck I don't want Chisaki to end up with Tsumugu.


When he has ever lied about his feelings? Your hatred is making you extremely dumb.

In what parallel Japan she treated him as her brother? She treats Kaname as her brother. She treated Tsumugu as one treats her husband. Even she calls herself his ignored housewife. Everyone who pays attention to her sees it. She's acting like a typical Japanese wife. That's why Kaname's so goddamn jealous when he sees them together. He can't mimic their intimacy when he tries (the tea scene the other episode). Chisaki's not attracted to him, she brushes off his confessions.

While she runs off Tsumugu's because she feels something and it scares her, IMO, like Manaka ran from Hikari's feelings for the same reason.

Did you forget what is Chisaki's fear and arc? She is afraid of changing. Realizing and admitting she's no longer the same and loves someone else but Hikari is exactly the obstacle she has to overcome to show he's finally a grown up and not a kid. You'll surely notice she doesn't like spending time with Hikari (she admits she prefers spending time with Tsumugu indirectly in the "I like coffee better" scene), cares when Hikari is sick to see him, avoids him unless she has to help or reacts when he says she's disturbing (when she would have been hurt a lot in the past). She doesn't act like a girl in love anymore.

It's all to keep her childhood fantasy and avoid reality with a escapism method.

Well now Tsumugu has ena. Now she can't run from him anymore. Now she has to face she's an adult woman and not the same girl. She has to move forward. It's the theme of the show. When he's done something that has made her get out her comfort zone, she always does that, runs to the sea so she would not let him get close to her.

She can't run anymore.

Tsumugu felt he couldn't handle the sea. Like Chisaki. He could be beside her and watch over her in his love. Now he's over this. He dives deeply and faces death to face the sea rejection gives him in its cold embrace and the sea instead of rejecting him symbolically accepts him and reciprocates his love, he can handle it now. He has ena. He can handle the sea and to face Chisaki who can't escape like a coward to it. She's the cowardly one.

IMO, It's obvious Chisaki will eventually end up with Tsumugu, once she realizes she's loved him all this time after she accepts she's changed. But first she has to accept she's ready to change. Otherwise her entire character arc would lead nowhere.

Being respectful and non invasive of a girl who was traumatized and struggling is 'cowardly' for her sake when all he wants is to spit it and move forward? I'm sorry he's not creepy and stalkerish or pushy with his boundaries as Kaname has been. Kaname needs to learn to let go from his own sake. Sayu will help him hopefully, even if they won't end up together (As much as I want them too). Kind of hilarious how you claim someone who faced his own death in the frozen waters only to face his loved one a 'coward' and not the girl who ran from him and sank into the sea because she was afraid of changing and face him.

Tsumugu's the bravest of all. He put his own feelings in the backburn without demanding anything from Chisaki. Unlike Kaname who constantly reminds her how much he loves him in an attempt to pressure her. Tsumugu did it for her and when this came to light, he faced certain death only to confess to her.

The difference between a man and a boy. However, Chisaki isn't yet a woman to face Tsumugu. She's still someone playing a little girl.


You lost me at "She can't run anymore." Does she really have to love Tsumugu to justify her reputation in this show? She can love someone else other than Kaname and Tsumugu.
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You lost me at "She can't run anymore." Does she really have to love Tsumugu to justify her reputation in this show? She can love someone else other than Kaname and Tsumugu.


You're interpreting me wrong. I didn't say she has to love Tsumugu to grow up, but she has to grow up in order to love Tsumugu. I think she is already in love with him, but her phobia of changing fabricates self denial and blinds her because she's scared of facing the truth: she has changed including her feelings. She just has to shake her fear of change and realize she's no longer the same to be actually honest with her real feelings. That's kind of person Chisaki is, she's been a coward forever.
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CrashClown said:
You lost me at "She can't run anymore." Does she really have to love Tsumugu to justify her reputation in this show? She can love someone else other than Kaname and Tsumugu.


You're interpreting me wrong. I didn't say she has to love Tsumugu to grow up, but she has to grow up in order to love Tsumugu. I think she is already in love with him. She just has to shake her fear of change and realize she's no longer the same. That's kind of person Chisaki is, she's been a coward forever.


Na, what I meant to say is that it doesn't have to be Tsumugu to grow up. What I meant is that she has to love anyone else other than Tsumugu to grow up. Like she will grow up if she loves CrashClown. She will grow up if she loves Thess.

I think she will reject the two and end up with someone else, I think Tsumugu will go back to the university and get a full degree and date someone else. And Kaname dating Sayu.
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Na, what I meant to say is that it doesn't have to be Tsumugu to grow up. What I meant is that she has to love anyone else other than Tsumugu to grow up. Like she will grow up if she loves CrashClown. She will grow up if she loves Thess.

I think she will reject the two and end up with someone else.


Unless you want to write a fanfiction where she ends up with Sayama, it has to be Tsumugu because it's the one she actually has romantic chemistry with and has presently a future with. But it's wraping up in 3 episodes and the built up exists with Tsumugu and no one else. Not with CrashClown or Thess, but Tsumugu.

You're still misinterpreting what I say. I believe she already loves him.

She can only be with him when she grows up.

You have the process backwards.

Sayu and Kaname barely know each other. I doubt they'll end up together. I think she's there to help Kaname realize one side love doesn't have to make you bitter. So they would accept their feelings aren't reciprocated and move on satisfied.

The only couples that actually make sense in the direction the story has established since the beginning are Chisaki and Tsumugu and, of course, Manaka and Hikari. The rest won't end up in a couple. Please remember what I say when the last episode rolls by.
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Thess said:
CrashClown said:
Na, what I meant to say is that it doesn't have to be Tsumugu to grow up. What I meant is that she has to love anyone else other than Tsumugu to grow up. Like she will grow up if she loves CrashClown. She will grow up if she loves Thess.

I think she will reject the two and end up with someone else.


Unless you want to write a fanfiction where she ends up with Sayama, it has to be Tsumugu because it's the one she actually has romantic chemistry with and has presently a future with. But it's wraping up in 3 episodes and the built up exists with Tsumugu and no one else. Not with CrashClown or Thess, but Tsumugu.

You're still misinterpreting what I say. I believe she already loves him.

She can only be with him when she grows up.

You have the process backwards.


I disagree with the future part. She don't have to marry the guy. If it happens, well damn it happens lol.

Edit: I don't think Hikari and Manaka ends up together. The new OP tells me that the Sea God will take Miuna and Manaka. Hopefully not.
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I disagree with the future part. She don't have to marry the guy.


She's already living in his house, loving her lifestyle and in love with him, IMO. She's practically married to him already. ;)

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Edit: I don't think Hikari and Manaka ends up together. The new OP tells me that the Sea God will take Miuna and Manaka. Hopefully not.


It's just a romantic obstacle. Like Chisaki's traumatic "I don't wanna grow up" issues are for Tsumugu. Manaka already had matured so the only way to keep it from happening is to get some plot device hurdle like this.

Look, re-watch the show since the beginning, catch glimpses of the character arcs and the actual mutual romantic growing. You'll see two clear couples who have grown and known each other since before the timeskip that are in parallels with each others. Those are Manaka/Hikari and Tsumugu/Chisaki.

The rest have always been 'wrong guy first' (manaka/tsumugu and chisaki/hikari) or hopelessly one sided.

This will get resolved and those are the end game couples, IMO. I wish Sayu ended up with Kaname since she's my favorite girl, but I doubt it'll happen now it had next to zero development and is being used as quite loud vehicle to prove unrequited love isn't bad as lesson to Kaname who has become a very bitter person. Because this story is about maturation first and romance is answering to the emotional trials and tribulations.

The couples who faced trials together and matured are the ones who would end up together. You'll see a particular pair of two sets that are working as parallels: Hikari and Manaka, and Chisaki and Tsumugu.
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I disagree with the future part. She don't have to marry the guy.


She's already living in his house, loving her lifestyle and in love with him, IMO. She's practically married to him already. ;)


I noticed the chemistry between the two pairs. Kaname and Sayu is not happening. Kaname is gonna get shell shocked Thursday and he will ignore Sayu. That pair won't work.
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I noticed the chemistry between the two pairs. Kaname and Sayu is not happening. Kaname is gonna get shell shocked Thursday and he will ignore Sayu. That pair won't work.


Is this show had more episodes, it could happen but they barely had interaction.

Hikari and Manaka was ready to sail until the hibernation and the fact the sea god took her feelings of love. Chisaki and Tsumugu were ready going to that direction (Chisaki had already confessed to Hikari and was moving forward with an attraction she was having to Tsumugu) but the trauma of the changes that night made Chisaki overwhelmed and even more stubborn in her denial of change (but if you observe her body language and her actions, you can see who she loves). Those two couples had a history and hurdles to overcome but are slowly getting resolved. Manaka realizing something is wrong with her is the first step to the right direction. Chisaki will struggle deny for a while but now she's unable to run, so while she's difficult, she'll eventually get it (giving Kaname an answer would be nice). Hikari's becoming aware Manaka might not have loved Tsumugu and Tsumugu has confessed at last.

The rest don't have this kind of set up. The best we Sayu fans hope for is that there's a hint of something in the epilogue like Kaname being courteous to her. I think they'll be a perfect match but there's no time to deal with the fallout in the show yet. :(
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Tsumugu Please GET YO DIRTY HANDS OFF CHISKAI!


YEAH! I agree!
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How can one not notice the build up between Tsumugu and Chisaki since the first cour....did they hate him so much that they skipped every scene he's in? Chisaki had more one on one conversation with him than Manaka.
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Skip scenes of a show because of a character? Please.
Mar 16, 2014 4:48 PM

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Now that Tsumugu confessed to Chisaki, i wonder how Kaname would react and if he's gonna turn down Sayu or not.
Mar 16, 2014 4:51 PM

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KillerBee721 said:
How can one not notice the build up between Tsumugu and Chisaki since the first cour....did they hate him so much that they skipped every scene he's in? Chisaki had more one on one conversation with him than Manaka.


Some people are kind of blind or deluded? The last scene with Chisaki to set her up for the post timeskip never even involved Hikari, only Kaname and Tsumugu.

It should have been pretty obvious.
Mar 16, 2014 5:22 PM

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I just want Tsumugu to be with Chisaki. Please please please. I need more Nagi no Asukara this can't end ever.
Mar 16, 2014 7:07 PM
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^^^Overall the soundtrack for this series is fantastic. It seems like a lot of effort has but put into many different aspects of this show, and as a result it is, in my opinion, of very high quality.

Honestly, as my impression of Hikari became increasingly positive due to his character development, my impression of Tsumugu became increasingly negative probably because he just wasn't comparing well with Hikari. However, when he mentioned his trouble with emotions and showed perhaps he is aware that he comes off as cold I, in turn, warmed up a bit toward him, and with his emotional outburst I've become more fond of him.

I was still hoping that Chisaki would end up with Hikari, as little hope as there may be. They are probably my two favorite characters in the show, so maybe that makes sense that I wanted that to happen. But I've warmed up to Miuna and Manaka as well, so I guess I can accept that Hikari and Chisaki may not end up together.

Also, while it might not be a good idea to try to use Tsumugu to help Manaka regain her ability to love, the fact that Hikari wants her to be able to love even if it isn't him despite how he felt about her was moving. He seemed to care more about Manaka's feelings than his own...that is some impressive devotion right there isn't it?
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Thess said:
KillerBee721 said:
How can one not notice the build up between Tsumugu and Chisaki since the first cour....did they hate him so much that they skipped every scene he's in? Chisaki had more one on one conversation with him than Manaka.


Some people are kind of blind or deluded? The last scene with Chisaki to set her up for the post timeskip never even involved Hikari, only Kaname and Tsumugu.

It should have been pretty obvious.


I'm sorry but you're way too smart for these people, Thess. You actually understand the story and the character development just like the few other people on this forum. It's close to impossible to convince the ignorant people on their point of views because they only care about "MUH SHIPPING" or just hating on one character because they are very single/ close minded or haven't watched the show closely enough.

I agree with all your prior posts btw. I wish more people on MAL was like you so the conversation on the forum would be more enjoyable. lol.


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Mar 16, 2014 8:03 PM

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Kaname never stood a chance. He was beyond friend zoned from the start.
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Hahalollawl said:
Also, while it might not be a good idea to try to use Tsumugu to help Manaka regain her ability to love, the fact that Hikari wants her to be able to love even if it isn't him despite how he felt about her was moving. He seemed to care more about Manaka's feelings than his own...that is some impressive devotion right there isn't it?


Nobody actually blamed Hikari for his feelings and trying to help Manaka, his methods are the ones questionable.

I said it in animesuki and I repeat it here: Tsumugu and Hikari are extremely similar people but with opposite temperaments. You saw Hikari's journey because he was a focal point while Tsumugu's journey happened mostly off screen when he was younger: they both left their parents for a reason, choosing to love land or sea against their consent. He's in the show to be Hikari's foil and example of the person and maturity he can aspire to be. This makes Hikari more approachable but it doesn't make Tsumugu unsympathetic in the least: he's the example, the big brother, and his age difference now fits him more.

Hikari and Tsumugu are the two male characters who do their best to selflessly help others (even if Hikari needed to learn about it). Tsumugu's precise of how to handle people, as person by person basis. While Hikari's help works better as a group effort, as a leader rather than person on person basis.

Hikari needs this lesson for him to progress and mature. Tsumugu is just showing him how as the people of the sea village make him get more in tune with his emotions. I believe he has to speak to Manaka and talk to her. Manaka already knows something is missing. He can't take choices for her sake. He has to let her decide. This would make him a better man and I believe it'll be the key to fix her in the future or something like that. :)

Tsumugu's as devoted to Chisaki without expecting reward as Hikari is to Manaka. This set them apart from Kaname's love with is more conditional and that's why he's bitter about it. It isn't to insult Kaname either because Kaname has the best social skills of the group. While he actually lacks on deeds and actions, Kaname is good in social situations while both Hikari and Tsumugu are rather awful, even if they can be well liked. Hikari's temper flares and Tsumugu is too repressed and apparently aloof. They are both extremely friendly people but this causes misunderstandings.

The show isn't about "my favorites are ending up together because of fateful meetings/are pretty/cute", but characters growing and maturing and ending up together (or not) as consequence. You can take Akari's arc as your example. The best outcome is not necessarily the character believes they want. Kaname ending up with Chisaki or Chisaki ending up with Hikari would be poisonous and damaging to them emotionally and as characters. The lesson is different there.

Hikari feeds Chisaki's regressive fantasies of being a forever kid and gets her to emotionally stagnate. Chisaki brings out the worst of Kaname, making him dishonest, passive aggressive and a child pretending to be a grow up because he wants to impress her in a way. I mentioned those two as example.

The raw honesty of this is what makes the show more meaningful. Otherwise, it'll be just Tsumugu/Manaka from the beginning because of a cliche "special encounter" disregarding that Hikari is a better match for Manaka after she outgrows Tsumugu.

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I agree with all your prior posts btw. I wish more people on MAL was like you so the conversation on the forum would be more enjoyable. lol.


Thanks. Maybe they are young or are used to bad harem shows? Because there's a lack of critical thinking.
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The sea god took Manaka's ability to love, and probably didn't simply just store it away. It looks like Tsumugu and Miuna who had really strong feelings of love triggered their ena. Probably somewhat related to the fact that the sea god holds Manaka's ability to love now.
Or probably, The sea god feels that MiunaxHikari, and TsumuguxChisaki will actually work out. So why not give them ena in advance. What a blessing ~
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BananaDog said:
Or probably, The sea god feels that MiunaxHikari, and TsumuguxChisaki will actually work out. So why not give them ena in advance. What a blessing ~


Miuna's ena activated in an scene unrelated to Hikari (as in, she wasn't necessarily looking for Hikari). It was when she accidentally fell into the water. There were a couple of differences between the scenes. Miuna had accidentally fallen into the sea and it seems she only got Manaka's feelings help. She at least recognized that specifically. Personally, I felt Miuna was looking for the sea village over Hikari, because of the feelings evoked by her mother. Her feelings for Hikari play some part, but when she thinks of why she wants to be part of the sea, it's always coming back to her mother's stories.

While Tsumugu dived to search Chisaki specifically and explain his feelings and he sensed other emotion and not just Manaka in the water (probably the sea god). The fish also assisted Tsumugu to lend the sea god did it too theory. The idea of sea beauty overlapped with Chisaki helping him when he nearly drown (she was the one who dived looking for him) the first time it happened.

But this is just conjecture. The scenes are meant to be a part, imo, and as parallels to their respective drowning scenes of the first half. Miuna's in episode 5 and Tsumugu in episode 13. There is in both cases the factor in common of the sea person love interest and the nostalgia for the sea caused by their heritage, but the way their respecting scenes played (in the four cases) it lent Tsumugu a more romantic framing/reasons while Miuna a more family-one, even if both play a large role in it. It doesn't matter, though, it's still love.
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Not everything is necessarily as cut and dried as you might like to think, and people are allowed (and often do) interpret things differently from their own perspectives. A lot of what people express is merely their own opinions. Are some people rude/immature? Sure, but who cares?

I honestly think a lot of the people who bother to take the time to post in here do so because they appreciate the show and enjoy it (otherwise why bother?), and therefore want to discuss it. Therefore, I think as long as they are respectful towards me I can be respectful towards them.

Other than Okada Mari, to suggest that any one person has the one and only completely correct interpretation of the story seems silly to me. You can discuss the merits of various interpretations, but to suggest that anyone other than the creators knows the "correct" interpretation (if you believe one exists) suggests quite a bit of hubris.
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What brought that up, I wonder. You can have your own interpretation, but if you do and want to discuss it, please bring up evidence of the show to back it and point out what exactly is what you're talking about. I'm a little lost.
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So, pretty much any descendant of a sea dweller can get ena if certain conditions are met? Interesting. This seems to indicate that land dwellers who are directly related to sea people can repopulate sea villages, as long as their love for the sea is great enough.

Though I didn't expect it, I could have anticipated Tsumugu getting ena as well, because he got that fish curse, that only sea people would usually get and from what he told Miuna when she recently got ena as well – that strong emotions (towards the sea) could do seemingly impossible things. I liked how he finally said what was suspected a long time ago: that he is in love with Chisaki. I just wish Chisaki would stop running away from the fact that she now has two guys fawning over her and give them a proper answer. I suspect she likes Tsumugu far more than Kaname (she and Tsumugu already act like they've been married for years, and she doesn't seem to be interested in Kaname at all), but until she actually says it, neither of them will know.

I feel like Hikari took a step back in development. He used to be brash and immature, but he leveled out rather quickly, only to regress and jump to conclusions again like he used to. He doesn't seem to think that Manaka might actually be in love with him, rather than Tsumugu and keeps pushing him to lie to her (which, I agree with Tsumugu, would be a very bad idea).

And finally, someone told Kaname and Hikari that they were acting incredibly immature by thinking one would be better off without feeling love. Major props to Sayu for that. I like how she accepted that she might not get the one she wants, but is willing to try anyway, because else she'll suffer from not knowing for all her life.
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in the preview of the 24th ep one has the feeling of a Chisaki that when it crosses the look of fear and Kaname as he is sorry for something that needs to be said that the same or kaname knows.
kaname and has an expression on his face as if he knows that the Chisaki must say something that will hurt him.
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I just want Chisaki's crap to be over with, she's so indecisive! At the least she could confess to Hikari and get things straight and move on with Tsumugu >.<, I like her, I really do but sheesh 23eps and she's still the same as before.
Tsumugu getting Ena seems all to convinient, hope there's a proper explanation, probably Uroko's doing no?
Miuna and Sayu seems to be the most mature characters out of them, they seem to have grown up a lot during the timeskip.

Oya Akira best chara!
Mar 17, 2014 6:55 AM

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Well, there goes my Manaka x Tsumugu... qq
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Well, I actually really liked Chisaki x Kaname and I hated Manaka x Hikari but.. Sayu is better for Kaname and I think they will be a cute couple. I'm not really supporting Manaka x Hikari.. But, wel.. I think I should deal with it. Also Hikari x Miuna is kinda cute but weird. I mean.. No way I fell in love with my uncle *kuch kuch* that idea sounds terrible. But well, they ARE the same age now and they're only uncle/niece because it's his sister. But no way he is gonna change his mind, he's too deeply in love with Manaka, for sure. So yeah.. I should support them even if I don't like it.
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It looks like the two ships have sunk. Kaname, You lose!!!
Mar 17, 2014 9:19 AM

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TSUMUGU FINALLY SAID IT !!!!

I love to what's gonna happen next
Mar 17, 2014 11:33 AM

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Tsumugu x Chisaki
Kaname x Sayu
Hikari x Miuna
Manaka x Sea God

then we can all go home
Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
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