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Feb 15, 2014 5:55 PM
#401
Oh. my. god. This episode was absolutely perfect. This episode gave me insane goosebumps. This may actually be my favorite episode of the series by far |
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Feb 15, 2014 9:11 PM
#402
noobalm said: This episode felt somehow fake, this wasn't like Gon at all, he allowed the bomber to live even though he killed that many people and now he acts like this just because Pitou harmed his friend? This is very irrational thinking... lame I think it wasn't just because of Kite-like, the person-but it was also because of Gon's inner struggle with himself on being weak (not being able to help Kite and being a factor to Kite's death) and helpless (the fact that he knows he is, in fact, weak). I think Gon is angrier at himself more than he's angry with Pitou. lol. Though it is obvious that it was Pitou who did that to Kite, Gon can't help taking all the guilt on himself. I think it's quite sad that he blames himself more than he blames Pitou ( in the manga when Pitou tells him that Kite is dead, it is evident that Gon greatly blames himself and then kind of denies it by projecting the blame on Pitou instead when it was really Pitou who did the 'actual' killing. But Gon felt that he inspired that death. Gon wanted to make it all up to Kite. Defeating Pitou is the only way. Gon is deeper than you think. He's pretty complex. Everybody might mistake him for an open book but he's not. And any way, his reunion and scenes with Pitou in this episode isn't just about avenging Kite or facing Kite's tormentor or whatev, it was Gon having a moral conflict. lol. The impression he had about Pitou was a heartless and human killer. However when he sees that it is "saving" a human, his objective in mind (which was to kill it mercilessly because it deserves it) is shattered. This isn't the reality he had in mind. In his emotional state and belief, it is impossible: Pitou isn't capable of saving a human, nor showing compassion or even love towards one. Of course he believes this because of what it had done to Kite. What's worse is that, Pitou killed Kite on a whim. lol. Like, "oh, I just want to test mah powerz" and WHOOP, Kite's arm is flung off. And then, after it had killed him, it also toyed with his corpse. lol. Talk about utter disrespect. Anyway, Gon found the scenario utterly ridiculous and refuses to believe it because then, he wouldn't have any reason for avenging Kite anymore or even getting mad at Pitou all because of its sudden change of heart. You can actually see how Gon was struggling between his good side and bad side. He probably knew that what Pitou was telling him was the truth, and in his heart it was the right thing for him to do: to give Pitou a chance and let Komugi be healed. But at the same time, his wanted to be selfish-he can't accept this reality, and his rage will become rather underwhelmed and unfounded if he just suddenly take Pitou's offer or show mercy to it. Overall, Gon thought that the cat was toying with his feelings. lol. And like hell he's gonna accept that. Just my observations, though. :P I love how Gon called Pitou selfish when in turn he also took the selfish route. Talk about ironic. I believe this episode is telling us something. lol And also, you must know how Gon is when things become personal. The Bomber did kill many innocent hunters, but those hunters weren't really that important to Gon (maybe I'm missing someone here tell me). Kite was different. And a lot of people little comprehend Kite's significance in Gon's life. He was the closest person who had ever been with Ging. He was Ging's freaking student. Also, he saved Gon's life, like, not just once. But most of all I think it was the short-lived moment with Kite that really shattered him. Kite was the first pro-hunter they had encountered in their journey, and not just any pro as well but Ging's mortal work. Kite could've been so much more and Gon perhaps was expecting that until Pitou snatched it instantly. What could have been with Kite was now out. Also, since Kite is Ging's student, Gon perhaps thought that if something bad happened to Kite, Ging will be bloody upset. lol. He wouldn't want that. :P But bottom line: Gon doesn't really give a damn if it doesn't concern him entirely. But when it does become personal, prepare to be smacked to oblivion. |
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Feb 16, 2014 12:20 AM
#403
hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... |
Feb 16, 2014 12:58 AM
#404
confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... His main job is separating Pitou from the King, he's doing good so far. And Killua already left to do what you asked despite the original plan NOT counting on that. But they can't both leave Pitou there. |
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Feb 16, 2014 1:06 AM
#405
confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. |
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Feb 16, 2014 1:09 AM
#406
insan3Spectre said: confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. Do you think Gon can take him on now? Assuming they fight after healing? We need tor realize Pitou used Blythe twice, and it's said to take a great toll, so he might have a fighting chance, if push came to shove. |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:13 AM
#407
judals said: insan3Spectre said: confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. Do you think Gon can take him on now? Assuming they fight after healing? We need tor realize Pitou used Blythe twice, and it's said to take a great toll, so he might have a fighting chance, if push came to shove. I think that, if Pitou doesn't heal, then Gon has a very good chance. Maybe Killua takes that into consideration and thinks someone else, like Knuckle or more likely Ikalgo could use his help? |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:18 AM
#408
Oh and the broken arm as well, I overlooked that. But if he tries to heal it after Komugi, Gon would sense something is fishy, and it's not a very fast technique. If I were Gon I would force him to not heal it |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:25 AM
#409
insan3Spectre said: confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. how is helping the other guys with their fights making the plan go to hell? Pitou said she would take one hour for the healing. She even said 4 hours first which would have taken her out of the whole fight completely. The plan is to seperate all of the guards from the king. So since pitou can´t really do anything right now, wouldn´t it make sense to make sure the other guards don´t get to the king? Killua seems to have understood that and left (atleast I think that is what he is doing) It´s not even meant to insult Togasi´s writing or anything... Gon just can´t think clearly right now. Too much rage. |
Feb 16, 2014 2:27 AM
#410
confused_Imakuni said: insan3Spectre said: confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. how is helping the other guys with their fights making the plan go to hell? Pitou said she would take one hour for the healing. She even said 4 hours first which would have taken her out of the whole fight completely. The plan is to seperate all of the guards from the king. So since pitou can´t really do anything right now, wouldn´t it make sense to make sure the other guards don´t get to the king? Killua seems to have understood that and left (atleast I think that is what he is doing) It´s not even meant to insult Togasi´s writing or anything... Gon just can´t think clearly right now. Too much rage. War rule no.1: Always trust in what your enemy says. Especially those with blind loyalty to their leader. I mean for all they know, Pitou wouldn't just dispel Blythe and go act as an external force that ruins everything, since he's been excluded as "off the grid" |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:44 AM
#411
judals said: confused_Imakuni said: insan3Spectre said: confused_Imakuni said: hey gon... instead of sitting around for 1 hour like an asshole, why not uhm... HELP THE OTHER GUYS FIGHT? oO He wants to save Kite so much he apparently doesn´t give a fuck about anybody else anymore... And, risk dying? Not only would he not get his revenge, but the plan would go to hell. Since the objective as far as the plan is to keep Pitou away from the King for Netero. If Killua is doing this, like I think he may be, then he is already putting the plan in danger. how is helping the other guys with their fights making the plan go to hell? Pitou said she would take one hour for the healing. She even said 4 hours first which would have taken her out of the whole fight completely. The plan is to seperate all of the guards from the king. So since pitou can´t really do anything right now, wouldn´t it make sense to make sure the other guards don´t get to the king? Killua seems to have understood that and left (atleast I think that is what he is doing) It´s not even meant to insult Togasi´s writing or anything... Gon just can´t think clearly right now. Too much rage. War rule no.1: Always trust in what your enemy says. Especially those with blind loyalty to their leader. I mean for all they know, Pitou wouldn't just dispel Blythe and go act as an external force that ruins everything, since he's been excluded as "off the grid" If they wouldn´t believe that Pitou really wants to heal then why didn´t they kill her? There really is no reason to think Pitou would trick them. Zeno just left too, believing Pitou would be no threat anymore. On another note... totally forgot to mention that. I had this discussion a couple of episodes ago. It was when Killua came to the conclusion that the King most likely hurt himself. Back then I already thought that the way he came to that conclusion was just illogical. Now this episode it got even worse. They basically came to the conclusion that the king had to have hurt himself, because Pitou would never use her ability to heal someone else. But as Killua can clearly see - the King is even going to save a human. So why does he still think the King must have hurt himself? It doesn´t make any sense. Was all of this nonsense just so that Killua would realise Pitou is healing komugi in this episode? Like... he couldn´t come to that conclusion any other way? Netero and Zeno got this without this bullshit theory from Killua too o_O |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:51 AM
#412
Zeno did not leave because of whether Pitou was a threat or not. He simply felt he's not involved. Mainly for 'professional' purposes but it seems he didn't like that he injured the girl or something. Pitou offered them a lot in exchange for their trust to LET him/her heal Komugi, and in turn the promise of going for Beijing afterward; not their absolute trust, that they would just leave a very strong deciding factor( and a morbidly loyal-to-the-king one at that) in the battle by itself. You forget that this WAS Gon and Killua's main objective. Killua leaving to back up the rest is more than they ever bargained for. At the very least Gon has to keep watch and prevent Pitou from going after the king. |
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Feb 16, 2014 6:07 AM
#413
After that crap in last few episodes, this was actually pretty good. Not much happened, but what did happen was intensive an important. They didn't waste whole episode showing interactions between side characters introduced at last minutes that no one really cares about, so good job with that. Gons character inconsistency is a bit troubling as someone pointed out above. Spiders murdering Kurapikas tribe? Gon doesn't want Kurapika to live for revenge. Bomber killing countless people and being a dick in general? Nah, lets him live and heal him. Pitou takes out Kite? Full on killer mode. Not sure if it's bad writing or Gon just being a fucking hypocrite, but I'm sure people will find a wat to justify it. Deep psychology, yeah sure. It could also be excused as character development if it has lasting effects, but if Gon reverses to his old self, it's simply crap created for shock value. |
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Feb 16, 2014 6:46 AM
#414
Sydonis said: Gons character inconsistency is a bit troubling as someone pointed out above. Spiders murdering Kurapikas tribe? Gon doesn't want Kurapika to live for revenge. Bomber killing countless people and being a dick in general? Nah, lets him live and heal him. Pitou takes out Kite? Full on killer mode. Not sure if it's bad writing or Gon just being a fucking hypocrite, but I'm sure people will find a wat to justify it. Deep psychology, yeah sure. It could also be excused as character development if it has lasting effects, but if Gon reverses to his old self, it's simply crap created for shock value. Letting Genthru live was actually in line with his normal thoughts; first why would he just kill him after capturing him? Had he killed him with a fight wound, sure, but executing him is out of character in itself. Not to mention: Assume we have two Gon's, one fighting Genthru and one spectating, wouldn't spectator Gon be so pissed that the other Gon killed Genthru, while caring for his friend Killua? They explained this actually. As people mentioned, there are many factors in this specific situation, and bottom line is: Gon is really angry and confused, so of course it's very in-character to act a bit hypocritical or just not abide by his ideals as he would in a normal case. Why would he not 'reverse to his old self'? This is clearly anger, it doesn't have a lock-on effect. It's gonna disappear and he'll come to his senses, the problem is what he'll do/say during that time that makes us know who he is inside, as foreshadowed in episode 1. |
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Feb 16, 2014 7:30 AM
#415
i̶n̶b̶4̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶b̶o̶y̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶ overwhelming! i can't even describe those feels, and i've read the manga almost 3 times!, that what they call masterpieces then eh? |
Feb 16, 2014 8:06 AM
#416
FEEEEEEELS. Hunter X Hunter 2011 Episode 116 was so effin' EPIC!!! Srsly. |
Feb 16, 2014 8:57 AM
#417
Sydonis said: Gons character inconsistency is a bit troubling as someone pointed out above. Spiders murdering Kurapikas tribe? Gon doesn't want Kurapika to live for revenge. Bomber killing countless people and being a dick in general? Nah, lets him live and heal him. Pitou takes out Kite? Full on killer mode. Not sure if it's bad writing or Gon just being a fucking hypocrite, but I'm sure people will find a wat to justify it. Deep psychology, yeah sure. It could also be excused as character development if it has lasting effects, but if Gon reverses to his old self, it's simply crap created for shock value. 1. It is only Gon who allowed to act reckless... 2. Gon is child that only have black or white PoV. - Befriended with assassin Killua. - Released Binolt. - Let Hisoka kill his victim because of Hisokaa's hunter tag - Angry to Nobunaga - Accept Zepile despite made counterfeits of goods - Kind to Pakunoda - not killed the snake, owl, and bat - accept Meleoron despite being CA - etc. Then, can you still call gon personality Hypocrite?? He likes that from the start, innocent child that faces cruelty of the world. 3. He angry at Pitou mainly because he is not allowed to vent his anger. Like Morel said, Gon intent to save all his true feeling and release it in front of his arch enemy, but now he is not allowed to do so and Pitou now play victim role. But in the end Gon able to composed himself and let Pitou heal Komugi(despite Pitou actually lying that time). Gon may be angry, but actually his main purpose is to heal Kite. If Kite is healed, then Gon my not hate Pitou anymore, that is his personality. |
Feb 16, 2014 12:51 PM
#418
Great episode. Gon's VA did a great job at expressing the emotion. These kinds of scenes are why I love HxH. |
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Feb 16, 2014 1:38 PM
#419
Sydonis said: Gons character inconsistency is a bit troubling as someone pointed out above. Spiders murdering Kurapikas tribe? Gon doesn't want Kurapika to live for revenge. Bomber killing countless people and being a dick in general? Nah, lets him live and heal him. Pitou takes out Kite? Full on killer mode. Not sure if it's bad writing or Gon just being a fucking hypocrite, but I'm sure people will find a wat to justify it. Deep psychology, yeah sure. It could also be excused as character development if it has lasting effects, but if Gon reverses to his old self, it's simply crap created for shock value. How is this inconsistent, though? It's personal. There has not been a single other time in the entire series where Gon has been inflicted with such personal pain. Kite was someone important in his life, as he served as his initial inspiration for becoming a Hunter and has a close connection with Ging. He was brutally killed, and Gon couldn't do a thing about it. Not only that, but Kite was humiliated by being reanimated as a robotic corpse that was a shell of himself. Rewatch the scene where Gon meets corpse!Kite. The pain on his face and how he felt after the confrontation is communicated very well to the audience. All of this goes further back than Kite, too- it goes to Gon's childlike personality. He never liked losing, as was shown quite clearly numerous times throughout the series. He dislikes feeling powerless. This aspect of his personality was brought to the forefront during this arc, after he and Killua lost to Knuckle and Shoot in the training bet. Remember how he cried after that, telling Killua that he never knew how it felt to be so helpless? That lent to his pent-up anger and guilt about being too powerless to save Kite. Yeah, it was easy for him to tell Kurapika not to seek revenge and to forgive the Bomber, but neither situation was personal to Gon. Basically, Gon was in the same position at those times that Killua was in this episode: the calm spectator who can make decisions rationally, without emotion involved. A lot of people here are oversimplifying a very complex and nuanced situation. There were a lot of factors at play when Gon confronted Pitou. Gon isn't acting out of character- we're simply seeing him at an extreme of his usual self. Saying that Gon's inconsistent because he's usually happy and cheerful is a gross simplification of his character. He has no reason to be "happy" or "optimistic" when he's been exposed to so much cruelty and personal anguish ever since the CA arc started. That's the whole point of this arc: Gon is being forced to grow up, just like Killua, Kurapika, and Leorio were in the past. |
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Feb 16, 2014 2:55 PM
#420
@MrAM Great post, that's really all I have to say. |
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Feb 16, 2014 11:00 PM
#421
Voice acting and animation during the Gon/Pitou confrontation was top-fucking-notch 11/10 |
Feb 18, 2014 12:08 PM
#422
THIS IS THE BEST ANIME EVER! seriously this episode was just so well done. I love love LOVED pitou in this episode, and i love how genuinely angry gon is over kite, and killua being cute as hell supporting him. NOW PLEASE GO GET KITE BACK. |
Feb 18, 2014 1:54 PM
#423
Fucking chills, Gon mad is sure mad. I loved how he just sat down waiting for Pitou. |
Feb 19, 2014 8:40 AM
#424
Damn son. My homeboy Gon was pmsing like crazy. Love dat nigga. masterpiece/10 |
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Feb 19, 2014 2:30 PM
#425
MShukyDeneuve said: Sydonis said: Gons character inconsistency is a bit troubling as someone pointed out above. Spiders murdering Kurapikas tribe? Gon doesn't want Kurapika to live for revenge. Bomber killing countless people and being a dick in general? Nah, lets him live and heal him. Pitou takes out Kite? Full on killer mode. Not sure if it's bad writing or Gon just being a fucking hypocrite, but I'm sure people will find a wat to justify it. Deep psychology, yeah sure. It could also be excused as character development if it has lasting effects, but if Gon reverses to his old self, it's simply crap created for shock value. 1. It is only Gon who allowed to act reckless... 2. Gon is child that only have black or white PoV. - Befriended with assassin Killua. - Released Binolt. - Let Hisoka kill his victim because of Hisokaa's hunter tag - Angry to Nobunaga - Accept Zepile despite made counterfeits of goods - Kind to Pakunoda - not killed the snake, owl, and bat - accept Meleoron despite being CA - etc. Then, can you still call gon personality Hypocrite?? He likes that from the start, innocent child that faces cruelty of the world. 3. He angry at Pitou mainly because he is not allowed to vent his anger. Like Morel said, Gon intent to save all his true feeling and release it in front of his arch enemy, but now he is not allowed to do so and Pitou now play victim role. But in the end Gon able to composed himself and let Pitou heal Komugi(despite Pitou actually lying that time). Gon may be angry, but actually his main purpose is to heal Kite. If Kite is healed, then Gon my not hate Pitou anymore, that is his personality. 100% correct |
Feb 19, 2014 4:36 PM
#426
I dont comment on MAL forums but WHAT AN EPISODE! Gon's character just took a 360 turn. I always imagined him to be a kid goku like character but this episode showed a completely different side to him. I dont read the manga so ofc this was all a surprise but i can still clearly picture Gon's rage after seeing the episode a few days ago. Anyway these last few episodes (of the infiltration) have upped my rating for this anime :) |
Feb 22, 2014 6:30 AM
#427
omg holy crap that was the most amazing episode ever. ill have to watch that again because the first time is seriously a roller coaster can't really think clearly right now. so intense. 100% loved it!! |
Feb 22, 2014 1:07 PM
#428
So much emotion in this episode... I could feel Gon's frustration. I definitely got goosebumps. I don't think I've ever seen an of any anime before that gave me so many feels all at once. |
Feb 24, 2014 8:18 AM
#429
There is a lot of subtleties going on here, in this episode. It's a mind job on Gon this whole thing, Pitou sitting there pleading in desperation to save this girl, While Gon stands out as the evil person, Which is also the dilemma for Gon, he knows he cannot act upon his selfish wish of Revenge. But the important thing to notice is, Gon, In his rage he feels like Pitou cannot be allowed to get her way with Komugi, Pitou doesn't derserve the right to save her "important person" after what Pitou did against Gon's "important person". That's why he says "It isn't fair" In Gon's eyes Pitou is a heartless monster, and suddenly his whole view on things falls to the ground. I have experienced trauma in my life, where i suddenly acted in an unforeseen way, like i was not even in control of my actions or thought pattern, my decision making were like an improvised act i had no control over. i could actually relate to Gon's behavior in this episode. You seem to be forgetting how disturbing the experience was in episode 85' it's like you people forget to imagine yourself in their shoes, have you actually experienced somebody being killed in your own life ? if you haven't experienced anything brutal in your life, surely you cannot relate. |
Feb 26, 2014 12:49 AM
#430
This is the best episode of any shonen ever. This whole arc is more or less in the same position. |
Feb 26, 2014 12:41 PM
#431
best episode yet for sure |
Feb 27, 2014 2:11 AM
#432
I wonder what would happen if Gon actually Jankened Pitou that it kills her, then Komugi woke up in verge of death just to find Meruem to play with then die in hands of Gon. I wonder how much Gon will regret killing Pitou immediately. |
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Feb 27, 2014 3:29 AM
#433
RipCoin said: I wonder what would happen if Gon actually Jankened Pitou that it kills her, then Komugi woke up in verge of death just to find Meruem to play with then die in hands of Gon. I wonder how much Gon will regret killing Pitou immediately. Would Dr. Blythe even disappear if Pitou died? I mean wasn't that why the troupe doesn't go after Kurapika? Because if someone has a strong emotion toward something (toward healing her in this case) the Nen would remain a while... kind of like a ghost? |
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Feb 27, 2014 4:52 AM
#434
judals said: Would Dr. Blythe even disappear if Pitou died? I mean wasn't that why the troupe doesn't go after Kurapika? Because if someone has a strong emotion toward something (toward healing her in this case) the Nen would remain a while... kind of like a ghost? point taken , maybe that's why they're worried if Melereon died would his Perfect Plan or God's Accomplice remain active forever. Still , incase it did remain for a while but not enough to heal Komugi , I wonder. |
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Feb 27, 2014 9:52 AM
#435
I don't know tbh. He's unpredictable. |
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Feb 27, 2014 7:16 PM
#436
Finally watched the last 10 episodes! Oh god, this episode, I watched it this morning, wanted to watch it again because it was the best animated episode imo, but I can't bring myself to do it, it's too painful! :'( |
Mar 1, 2014 9:55 PM
#437
See, now this is what I consider a really good episode. Doesn't matter that they didn't fight. There was dialogue, it was tense, the narrator didn't overanalyze and significant character development was made. Easily the best episode since the invasion started. Only thing that i find a little strange is just how pissed Gon is. I mean, I know that Kite saved his life before the show started, they became friends during this arc and it's understandable he'd be raging since this is his first time really losing a friend but he's acting like Pitou killed Killua. |
Mar 1, 2014 10:00 PM
#438
So it's strange that we went against the logic of differentiating between friends based on time he's known them? |
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Mar 1, 2014 10:12 PM
#439
gettogaara said: Only thing that i find a little strange is just how pissed Gon is. I mean, I know that Kite saved his life before the show started, they became friends during this arc and it's understandable he'd be raging since this is his first time really losing a friend but he's acting like Pitou killed Killua. The worse is yet to come. On a more serious note, I think it has to do with Gon, not experiencing personal loss before. And the crying and 'pmsing' was more about Gon being offended and confused by Pitou's actions regarding Komugi. xmaikokoro said: tsudecimo said: Good enough reason for his current state of mind? I would expect this kind of turn if Killua/Kurapika/Lerio/maybe even Biscuit if we stretch it, were harmed/killed. But someone who he met briefly that is connected to his father? I'm not saying that Gon shouldn't care a lot but the level of obsession and drastic change is not really justified if the reason was only Kite. I'm probably wrong but this is my interpretation: Kite is something who Gon deeply respected (and hoped to become); meanwhile, Killua/Kurapika/Leorio/etc. are just his friends. This statement might be different for all people but I think Gon is someone who takes it personally if someone he respects is disrespected or insulted. Kite was not just killed, he was turned into a robot-like person, controlled by the enemy, so utterly insulted by Pitou who only considered Kite to be a play toy (not a human) that I believe Gon feels so much rage that he no longer cares about the people around him being harmed. ^ I thought that was a good input. I still think it's kinda half assed and unconvincing how much Gon cares for Kite. |
Mar 2, 2014 12:29 AM
#440
tsudecimo said: gettogaara said: Only thing that i find a little strange is just how pissed Gon is. I mean, I know that Kite saved his life before the show started, they became friends during this arc and it's understandable he'd be raging since this is his first time really losing a friend but he's acting like Pitou killed Killua. The worse is yet to come. On a more serious note, I think it has to do with Gon, not experiencing personal loss before. And the crying and 'pmsing' was more about Gon being offended and confused by Pitou's actions regarding Komugi. That's probably it. He's 12 or 13 after-all and Pitou, the object of his hatred was being all agreeable to try and save someone else's life making it hard for him to lash out. It still seems a bit over the top to me though. Part of the problem might be that Kite didn't really grab my interest and he's been dead for quite some time. judals said: So it's strange that we went against the logic of differentiating between friends based on time he's known them? What? My post wasn't directed at anyone, I was just stating my thoughts on the episode. If you meant he instead of we though, then I still don't understand. Gon's bond with Killua is clearly stronger than his bond with Kite was. |
Mar 2, 2014 1:10 AM
#441
When it came to the scenes of Gon talking about Ging to Killua, he'd ALWAYS mention Kite alongside that in the manga. The 2011 anime cut those parts out (reasons not quite known). As well as change some other scenes around: http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/08/10/h/read4e42608c2303c/10-11.jpg Notice how Kite immediately recognizes Gon, http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/08/10/h/read4e42608c2303c/12.jpg and that Gon immediately recognizes him back. (Taken from two consecutive pages at the beginning of this arc. Not stating whether or not this makes their relationship any deeper, but I never saw any manga readers complain about this on top of the other usual Chimera Ant arc complaints.) |
GalekCMar 2, 2014 1:20 AM
Mar 2, 2014 1:48 AM
#442
tsudecimo said: The worse is yet to come. What? |
Mar 2, 2014 1:58 AM
#443
Cresherhsm said: Tsudecimo got convinced enough to presumably start from this point in the manga, and read through the rest of the arc.What? |
Mar 2, 2014 2:04 AM
#444
GalekC said: Cresherhsm said: Tsudecimo got convinced enough to presumably start from this point in the manga, and read through the rest of the arc.What? I know. I'm just curious as to what he meant by that in relation to gettogaara's post about Gon. |
Mar 2, 2014 2:36 AM
#445
i find it interesting that the latest episodes criticism's ingenuinity doesn't contain any substance. Being a couple of people playing critique with no substantial criticism. If people could not dissect the character correctly then it wouldn't make sense if they made such strong judgement, especialy like calling it inconsistent. Besides, the offenses this show has made so far, if we call them that, have been done more and worse in certain other series that the person critiquing is a huge fan of. |
Mar 2, 2014 5:49 AM
#446
Cresherhsm said: GalekC said: Cresherhsm said: Tsudecimo got convinced enough to presumably start from this point in the manga, and read through the rest of the arc.What? I know. I'm just curious as to what he meant by that in relation to gettogaara's post about Gon. I'm obviously referring to the upcoming development between Gon and Pitou. |
Mar 2, 2014 6:20 AM
#447
tsudecimo said: Cresherhsm said: GalekC said: Cresherhsm said: Tsudecimo got convinced enough to presumably start from this point in the manga, and read through the rest of the arc.What? I know. I'm just curious as to what he meant by that in relation to gettogaara's post about Gon. I'm obviously referring to the upcoming development between Gon and Pitou. Well that's were we differ because that fight is one my favorite moments in the entire arc. Though I do understand why some people could find it disappointing. How is it a shitty powerup? You bolded "no shitty powerups" in another thread here so obviously that's your problem with it. Is it because of the looks (too grotesque or weird maybe?) Or is it because it is an asspull? If it's the latter, how is it an asspull exactly? |
CresherhsmMar 2, 2014 6:29 AM
Mar 2, 2014 6:38 AM
#448
Mar 2, 2014 8:17 AM
#449
What? My post wasn't directed at anyone, I was just stating my thoughts on the episode. If you meant he instead of we though, then I still don't understand. Gon's bond with Killua is clearly stronger than his bond with Kite was. Ah. Yes I meant he (gon). Yes but that's the level of reference I find odd, So he's better friends with killua, and that should make him less angry for other people's deaths/whatever that was? Or is it that he should mourn Killua, who's still alive, harder? You said "he acted like Pitou killed killua" how would we know how he'd act if it ever came to that anyway? Not to forget that just 10 episodes or so earlier they were talking about how friends aren't about how long you've been with them. there are more reasons to it than just anger toward pitou , like the confusion and frustration about the whole Pitou/Komugi/Kite situation. First scene: My name is Gon. Do you remember me pitou? that's how he angry was at pitou for hurting Kite, the rest building up to different reasons through the episode. Clearly other things started triggering more anger. |
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Mar 2, 2014 2:15 PM
#450
judals said: What? My post wasn't directed at anyone, I was just stating my thoughts on the episode. If you meant he instead of we though, then I still don't understand. Gon's bond with Killua is clearly stronger than his bond with Kite was. Ah. Yes I meant he (gon). Yes but that's the level of reference I find odd, So he's better friends with killua, and that should make him less angry for other people's deaths/whatever that was? Or is it that he should mourn Killua, who's still alive, harder? You said "he acted like Pitou killed killua" how would we know how he'd act if it ever came to that anyway? Not to forget that just 10 episodes or so earlier they were talking about how friends aren't about how long you've been with them. there are more reasons to it than just anger toward pitou , like the confusion and frustration about the whole Pitou/Komugi/Kite situation. First scene: My name is Gon. Do you remember me pitou? that's how he angry was at pitou for hurting Kite, the rest building up to different reasons through the episode. Clearly other things started triggering more anger. Yeah, I know there's multiple factors in play for why Gon is enraged -Pitou didn't just kill Kite but made him into a puppet. -Pitou's unwillingness to fight and being agreeable giving him no one to hit. -Pitou healing Komugi which Gon at first misunderstands but the truth makes him angrier. -This is the first time he's lost a friend. On top of that, Gon is a kid who has been shown on multiple occasions to be a bit...unusual but it still seemed excessive to me. It's not about how little time they spent together(Episodes 76-85) but that Gon's friendship with Kite just felt underdeveloped during that time. Maybe it was better in the manga but going off of the anime alone, it's hard for me to sympathize with Gon. Either way, I still enjoyed this episode a lot. |
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