just wondering why no victim figured this out

Feb 14, 2014 8:12 AM

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The main difference between the "death-arena-game" in btooom! and the death arena games in panem and battle royale is that the public of battle royale and panem already knows about the death arenas.
What would happen if the btooom public finds out what the bad guys in btooom are doing? right: the public would fk them up. This is why the bad guys in btooom have to keep their little death game a secret. Otherwise they would be screwed.

Now: what is the most important thing if you want to keep something secret? Right: Having no witnesses. This means that everybody who knows what is going on either has to die or has to collaborate.

Who knows about the death arena? The guys who pull the strings, the guys who pay to watch it, and the victims. Now the question: Why would the stringpullers let the victims go after they "won" ? Its a unnecesary risk. The survivorsvictims would tell to public what happened because they would want revenge or something.
It would be insane if the stringpullers let the survivors of the death game back to tell the story to the public. This means: The victims wont make it out alive most certanly, even if they "won" the game. To play the game would be stupid.

why did nobody of the victims figure that out? Just wondering......
or did I make a logical mistake somewhere?

your thoughts on that?

Feb 24, 2014 12:52 PM

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Because who would believe them if they said that an evil games corporation kidnapped them, threw them from a plane onto an uninhabited tropical island where they were given explosives and had to kill each other to collect crystals? They would be labelled as crazy.

Feb 25, 2014 7:49 AM

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RM24 said:
Because who would believe them if they said that an evil games corporation kidnapped them, threw them from a plane onto an uninhabited tropical island where they were given explosives and had to kill each other to collect crystals? They would be labelled as crazy.

with the crystal/wound of crystal in their hand as evidence + them knowing the names of every human that was on the island and knowing their face/private storys that they can not possibly know without talking to them?

they have plenty of evidence. If the crystal in their hand isnt enough, the knowlege about the other people that were on the island would be.

Feb 26, 2014 11:18 AM

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cabacc2 said:
with the crystal/wound of crystal in their hand as evidence + them knowing the names of every human that was on the island and knowing their face/private storys that they can not possibly know without talking to them?

they have plenty of evidence. If the crystal in their hand isnt enough, the knowlege about the other people that were on the island would be.

The crystal wound isn't exactly clear evidence of it, it's just a chunk of flesh missing. The public could just think that they had cut out their own flesh.

Also, just knowledge of the peoples details is not exactly proof. Most of the people were pretty much nobodies, and some of them were probably so hated that nobody minded them going and would not even file a missing person's report.

For the people who were famous enough to be reported, their personal information could be made public. Also, if people saw the survivors as insane enough to present this idea and then talk about somebody's personal life, they could be seen as a stalker type person.

Overall, the survivor would be seen as insane and put into a psychiatric hospital, regardless if they are telling the truth or not, because apart from a few pieces of debatable evidence, they have no clear proof. And once it seems that the person is considered crazy, nobody really cares about it, just another lunatic with a conspiracy theory, that is if they were even cared about in the first place.

Feb 26, 2014 12:32 PM

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So... if you disappeared just like all the others, and then you suddenly come back to society. The police asks you what happened. Then you tell them that you know very personal things about all the people that disapperad recently, maybe their passwords or childhood storys that you cant possibly know without meeting them.
The conclusion would be that what you said has at least a little bit of credibility.
At least enough for the police to be really suspicious.

Also: You would know the climate zone in which the isle is located, and you also know how big it is.
It wont be very difficult to find the isle via sattelite.

Also: It doesnt really matter if the police really believes you or not. There is a chance that they do believe you - reason enough for the bad guys in Btooom to not let you go.
why would they even risk it? Even if the chance is small, its still there.

Feb 26, 2014 1:26 PM

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There are plenty of methods to prevent info from lacking, blackmailing, threats and so on. Besides those "victims" will have to tell the police, that they have killed 7 more people, isn't it kinda bad? >:<

Feb 26, 2014 4:51 PM

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cabacc2 said:
So... if you disappeared just like all the others, and then you suddenly come back to society. The police asks you what happened. Then you tell them that you know very personal things about all the people that disapperad recently, maybe their passwords or childhood storys that you cant possibly know without meeting them.
The conclusion would be that what you said has at least a little bit of credibility.
At least enough for the police to be really suspicious.

Like I said, you can be percieved as being insane if you know that much personal information about a person.
In an even worse case scenario is that if a person goes missing, then you suddenly turn up with a lot of knowledge about the victim, visibly distraught, with a chunk of flesh missing out of your left hand, maybe scars and cuts, spewing what seems to be nonesense alongside the knowledge, you might just come off as a kidnapper/stalker, get arrested and locked up. This fear could actually prevent survivours from telling the police.

cabacc2 said:
Also: You would know the climate zone in which the isle is located, and you also know how big it is.
It wont be very difficult to find the isle via sattelite.

There are many pacific islands with similar climates. You may be able to judge the distance around the island, but that would be a rough estimation. Also the island that they are stranded on had no major specific structures or landmarks. It was basically a generic tropical island.
Furthermore the whole process would be too expensive. First you would require a satelite, so you would have to go up the chain until you get permission to use a military one (because a news agency popular enough to have a satelite wouldn't waste it on a random hunch), then on the extremely minute chance that you find said island, put together a task force to explore the island, because the satelite wouldn't be able to see through the vast jungles. This group of people would then look around a large island for the remnants of a maximum of 27 dead bodies (from the latest game, assuming 3 people survived), and remember that some of the bodies will end up washed away in the sea/eaten by komodo dragons and wildlife.
From the perspective of pretty much everyone, the outcome of this expedition would not come close to covering the costs of it.

Edit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustl_Mollath
This guy accused a large bank of money laundering and was put in a psychiatric hospital, but he turned out to be saying the truth. He would probably seem saner than the Btooom! survivor.

Also Japan does not have an offensive military, so if you did manage to find the island, they could not do anything due to many about them not leaving a selected area with military forces.

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Feb 26, 2014 9:30 PM

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I finished this just now. I don't think anyone would feel like living any more or keeping their sanity after all that killing and exploding. These guys are normal people being forced to kill. Even if they won, they'll feel like they lost. Look at Date-san, he's a nutjob. Sure he could've done something about the top guys but he doesn't look like that kind of character. Probably doesn't give a shit lol.

But...

Feb 27, 2014 4:09 AM

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Also regarding Date-san, if he started mentioning the island situation, his credibility as a doctor would decline, therefore he would lose his medical license, and be out of a highclass job, which would also result in him being quite renowned further preventing him from getting a job. So it was in his best interest to keep quiet.

Feb 27, 2014 9:42 AM

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sadfacelv said:
There are plenty of methods to prevent info from lacking, blackmailing, threats and so on. Besides those "victims" will have to tell the police, that they have killed 7 more people, isn't it kinda bad? >:<

killing them before they return to society is the easiest way isnt it?

And again: They have reasons to keep their mouths shut. But they are still a huge risk. You can never entirely be sure about what a human does in an extreme situation. They wont act rationally.

Mar 19, 2014 7:37 AM

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Exactly :P

Jun 3, 2014 2:02 PM

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I was thinking this as well. If I were in the situation I would assume I'd be taken away from the island and immediately killed. Really it's just the easiest way to keep you quiet, and it's not like they get any credibility for letting someone survive as no one would hear about it. In things like Hunger Games you need survivors as they're considered celebrities and keeps everyone motivated to win, but here everything is anonymous so no one would hear whether the survivors are alive or dead.

Sure the survivors wouldn't necessarily have too much credibility in media if they were to tell their story, but it could still lead to investigation. From the company standpoint that's a good enough reason not to keep them alive. There is simply no merit for them to keep anyone alive.

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