Fairy Tail
| All you have to do is search top 10 fairy tail characters and you'll see what i'm talking about. Erza, Mirajane, and some others often place above him in these opinion "listing" threads and people say Natsu is nowhere near their level because he needs the power of "feelings" to be strong. So what? He's wiped the floor with everyone. He has PROVEN feats. Erza has shown some feats but Mira none. It's even worse when people put Natsu on the same tier as Gray. I refuse to allow listing but Natsu certainly is on or above Erza's level NOW (manga), maybe even closing in on Laxus but nowhere near a Gildarts/Makarov. |
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| You can't really blame the hate, he's a typical shounen hero who powers up with the power of friendship. Despite all this hate, he's still a popular character, so you just have to ignore the hate. |
| I'm already immune to all the hate on Fairy Tail related thing. |
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| No because I agree with them. He's at Gray level most of the time. |
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| Oh this is about power levels, I thought it was going to be about people saying he is a bad character. No, I disagree with you. Erza is miles stronger than Natsu, he is above Gray level but he is not in the top 5 most powerful characters. His fight in the last FT episodes against Sting and Rouge was complete and utter bullshit. |
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| natsu is a shithead |
an egomaniac and a fool |
tsudecimo said: Oh this is about power levels, I thought it was going to be about people saying he is a bad character. No, I disagree with you. Erza is miles stronger than Natsu, he is above Gray level but he is not in the top 5 most powerful characters. His fight in the last FT episodes against Sting and Rouge was complete and utter bullshit. But that's just the thing. It happened in the manga too. He's really that strong and people aren't willing to accept it. I don't want to draw comparisons unnecessarily, but my favorite DBZ character is Vegeta and I'm willing to admit Gohan and Goku are far stronger than he is because it's proven. |
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jondoom said: tsudecimo said: Oh this is about power levels, I thought it was going to be about people saying he is a bad character. No, I disagree with you. Erza is miles stronger than Natsu, he is above Gray level but he is not in the top 5 most powerful characters. His fight in the last FT episodes against Sting and Rouge was complete and utter bullshit. But that's just the thing. It happened in the manga too. He's really that strong and people aren't willing to accept it. I don't want to draw comparisons unnecessarily, but my favorite DBZ character is Vegeta and I'm willing to admit Gohan and Goku are far stronger than he is because it's proven. my favourite is goku but i admit that if he was at a 1v1 against broly, broly would shit on him hehe! NATSU #1 i dont read manga but from the way Natsu is growing i think he will strive to be #1 |
UchihaJan 1, 2014 12:55 AM
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| I hate it to the core. But what i hate even more is the hypocrisy of most of his haters who like characters just as bad if not worse. |
Darklight0303 said: This is about people who think he's weaker than other members, not about him personally.I hate it to the core. But what i hate even more is the hypocrisy of most of his haters who like characters just as bad if not worse. |
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| Wait are you talking about his character or his power? I like Natsu. A lot. But uh, come on, he's not a well-written character. He's just fun. As for his power- Actually, what annoys me most is people who think Natsu is the strongest character in FT. Erza is WAY stronger than him. Mira is stronger than him as well, she just doesn't use her powers a lot. The FT power ranking probably goes: 1. Makarov 2. Gildarts 3. Laxus 4. Erza 5. Mirajane 6. Natsu, closely followed by or on level with Gajeel and Gray. It actually offends me that people like you are so insistent that Natsu is stronger than Erza or Mira, but don't bother saying he's stronger than Laxus, Gildarts or Makarov. Way to be sexist. Like, seriously. Just because Erza and Mira are chicks that don't like beating people up for no reason? Let's also not forget that Erza and Mira are more well-rounded. They are physically strong as well as emotionally strong. Natsu's is only emotionally strong in the sense that he's too thick-headed to back down when it makes sense. |
Amberleh said: It actually offends me that people like you are so insistent that Natsu is stronger than Erza or Mira, but don't bother saying he's stronger than Laxus, Gildarts or Makarov. Way to be sexist. Like, seriously. Just because Erza and Mira are chicks that don't like beating people up for no reason? Let's also not forget that Erza and Mira are more well-rounded. They are physically strong as well as emotionally strong. Natsu's is only emotionally strong in the sense that he's too thick-headed to back down when it makes sense. You didn't read this part of my OP I refuse to allow listing but Natsu certainly is on or above Erza's level NOW (manga), maybe even closing in on Laxus but nowhere near a Gildarts/Makarov. I'm not sexist. Laxus and Gildarts are stronger than Erza or Mira. Natsu isn't emotionally lacking. he's accepted fear and admitted defeat a few times, but in my opinion it's not stupidity or thick headedness that he possesses, it's a strong sense of pride. Erza is my favorite female character, but she's just as proud as Natsu (thick headed if you prefer that), and I can only remember her backing down from one fight (Laxus) because she went to destroy the lacrima. |
jondoomJan 2, 2014 12:36 PM
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Darklight0303 said: I hate it to the core. But what i hate even more is the hypocrisy of most of his haters who like characters just as bad if not worse. Hypocrisy? I didn't know that some characters are factually badly written. I don't think any shounen MC is worse than Natsu, I still like him more than a lot of them. |
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Amberleh said: Way to be sexist. Like, seriously. I think you are the only person being sexist here. |
luteum said: Amberleh said: Way to be sexist. Like, seriously. I think you are the only person being sexist here. Except I'm not? He's saying Natsu is stronger than Erza or Mirajane without any actual evidence, and the way it comes off is 'because he's a guy'. I have seen this argument in regards to Natsu before, and though it is obviously not intended to be a sexist one, it very much seems like it. Like, they are subconciously brushing Mira and Erza (especially Mira) off because they are girls, and Mira in particular because she's maternal and girly. Mira is S-class, she was S-class for years, Natsu joined the guild BEFORE Mira and still hasn't made S-class. Logic dictates that Mira is stronger. And I did see your part about Laxus, I didn't bother to comment because it was silly to begin with. Laxus is a powerhouse and has 5 years more experience than Natsu, I doubt Natsu is on his level or even close to it. Also no, Erza is not as thick-headed as Natsu. There have been several instances in the series where Erza has told everyone to back off, has backed down from a fight, all because it was the logical thing to do. There was the instance with Phantom Lord, there was the case with Laxus, and there were a couple more that I can't quite recall. Natsu, however, continually tries to barge into things and Lucy, Gray, Erza, Laxus, Wendy, Makarov, and I'm sure several other characters have all had to either physically hold him back or tell him to back down. Erza is more skilled at picking and choosing her battles, whereas Natsu will run in head-long if given the opportunity. |
AmberlehJan 2, 2014 6:05 PM
| I don't hate any character in Fairy Tail and we all know Natsu is the main character, and being the main character doesn't mean he is the strongest yet, who knows maybe at the end he will become the strongest. And you shouldn't compare the power levels between members of Fairy Tail because there will never be a serious fight between members of that guild, the only fight between them I guess it was the one between Natsu and Laxus and we all know who won the fight. |
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Amberleh said: luteum said: Amberleh said: Way to be sexist. Like, seriously. I think you are the only person being sexist here. Except I'm not? He's saying Natsu is stronger than Erza or Mirajane without any actual evidence, and the way it comes off is 'because he's a guy'. I have seen this argument in regards to Natsu before, and though it is obviously not intended to be a sexist one, it very much seems like it. Like, they are subconciously brushing Mira and Erza (especially Mira) off because they are girls, and Mira in particular because she's maternal and girly. Mira is S-class, she was S-class for years, Natsu joined the guild BEFORE Mira and still hasn't made S-class. Logic dictates that Mira is stronger. And I did see your part about Laxus, I didn't bother to comment because it was silly to begin with. Laxus is a powerhouse and has 5 years more experience than Natsu, I doubt Natsu is on his level or even close to it. Also no, Erza is not as thick-headed as Natsu. There have been several instances in the series where Erza has told everyone to back off, has backed down from a fight, all because it was the logical thing to do. There was the instance with Phantom Lord, there was the case with Laxus, and there were a couple more that I can't quite recall. Natsu, however, continually tries to barge into things and Lucy, Gray, Erza, Laxus, Wendy, Makarov, and I'm sure several other characters have all had to either physically hold him back or tell him to back down. Erza is more skilled at picking and choosing her battles, whereas Natsu will run in head-long if given the opportunity. WOW you sound like some type of feminist. There's only 4 S class wizards in FT (Mystogan is gone) so we have Gildarts, Laxus, Erza, Mira. I'd rank them in that order in terms of strength. It's common knowledge Erza and Mira aren't as strong as Laxus. I don't care if they're women, men, aliens, or dogs, since they're the weaker of the 4 in terms of magic power, they're the ones Natsu is closest to in strength. Mira has ZERO proven feats other than beating Freed. Erza has provern herself a few times, but Natsu has oodles of credible feats. He single handedly beat Sting & Rogue in his base form, went toe to toe with Jiemma and even though Minerva diffused his lightning flame hammer it still blew their hotel to pieces. His lightning flame dragon roar had everyone crapping their pants. Erza has beaten Azuma, 100 monsters and who else? The reason I use Erza and Mira as examples is because there aren't many people in other guilds on par with Natsu in power. Jura and Jellal are stronger than him, perhaps Minerva, Kagura and Ichiya too? All the other characters are weaker than him If we look at just the Fairy Tail guild then I suppose you'd rank it (living members): Makarov, Gildarts, Laxus, Natsu/Erza, Mira, Gajeel, Gray/Juvia/Cana, Elfman/Freed/Bickslow/Evergreen. |
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Amberleh said: The only person it comes off to like that is you. Except I'm not? He's saying Natsu is stronger than Erza or Mirajane without any actual evidence, and the way it comes off is 'because he's a guy'. He's probably talking about how Natsu always pulls off a win no matter how strong the guy looks(which he's beat some, some people think Erza or Mirajane might not be able to beat) and that Mirajane doesn't fight much. |
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| I don't hate him, I just wish he'd stop saying nakama all the time. jondoom said: Erza has provern herself a few times, but Natsu has oodles of credible feats. Don't forget that it's because Natsu is the hero that he's always the one the author choose to beat the last boss even if it comes at the cost of an unexplainable power boost at the end of the fight. Erza is a just his friend so the author gives her less interesting fights. Natsu still fears Erza's wrath and I seriously doubt she would loose against him. My bet is it would be a tie. |
| Am I the only one here who actually likes how Natsu suddenly gets all these boost powers? In the Grand Magic Games it gave me the damn chills throughout the fight. Oooh Excitement. Anyways I agree that so far Natsu hasn't beaten Mira and Erza in terms of magical power unless he gets some emotional boost. Amberleh said: The FT power ranking probably goes: 1. Makarov 2. Gildarts 3. Laxus 4. Erza 5. Mirajane 6. Natsu, closely followed by or on level with Gajeel and Gray. My ranking would probably be really similar to this. But hey, Natsu is the MC, I like him, and he is probably going to be the strongest character in the ultimate end. |
Krasa said: Am I the only one here who actually likes how Natsu suddenly gets all these boost powers? In the Grand Magic Games it gave me the damn chills throughout the fight. Oooh Excitement. Anyways I agree that so far Natsu hasn't beaten Mira and Erza in terms of magical power unless he gets some emotional boost. Amberleh said: The FT power ranking probably goes: 1. Makarov 2. Gildarts 3. Laxus 4. Erza 5. Mirajane 6. Natsu, closely followed by or on level with Gajeel and Gray. My ranking would probably be really similar to this. But hey, Natsu is the MC, I like him, and he is probably going to be the strongest character in the ultimate end. Exactly. Natsu is the one with the explosive growth and massive potential that several people in that ranking have stated it exists. |
| I'm not a fan of people saying a character is nothing without "powerups," especially if those powerups are part of their magic. Using Natsu as an example there are people who will say in his base form he can't beat anyone. They're the same people who say it's not fair if he uses lightning mode even though he can do it freely now. Once he's able to use dragonforce freely I'm sure there will also be people who say it's not fair to rank him based on his dragonforce power. The reality is that is magic available for him to use when the conditions apply. Both times he's used dragonforce he's obliterated his opponents (Zero & Jellal) in a matter of seconds. This is a double standard. Mira without getting angry is nothing but a pushover. Erza without her armors is powerful but not necessarily equipped for a fight correctly. I don't see what's wrong with him getting more powerful from his emotions. Aren't emotions what drive any of us to do better in the first place? I will agree that as a main character he's far too powerful with too few shortcomings. Off the bat he was one of the top wizards in his guild. He's like a Goku. |
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| I like Natsu and his personality and when he talks about his nakama. What I like even more is that he's not the strongest in FT, which is imo quite rare for shonen MC, thus he still has space to grow even stronger. I'd put the same power ranking as above with just a slight change: I think now Natsu would be able to beat Mira. |
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| When it comes to power rankings, you can't really be accurate and set the characters of a series into a specified ranking without expecting anything to change randomly (despite the fact that characters grow). For example you have the fight Natsu vs Laxus. I know, I know he received help from nakama. But did it really make such a difference. I mean, Natsu was nearly defeated and Laxus would have easily won (although he had already used his max Power in order to defeat the others) but then Gajeel interfered, took the blow instead of Natsu, he got injured, Natsu powered up due to the injuries his nakama received, landed a bunch of hits and won the fight! But now you can not claim that Natsu is stronger than Laxus and he still is not! I don't dislike FT, I kind of love the series and I like most of the characters and I am waiting for the series to finally continue! But in a Shonen Manga/Anime logic does not count! And there will be no sepcified power ranking list! Naruto, Luffy, Ichigo, Rin, Natsu, Oga and a lot more characters already experienced an emotional power up and defeated opponents they could never have brought down if they fought normally! In the end Animes and Mangas are meant to be enjoyed by the audience! Forget the haters and don't bother with them 'cause they will always hate and it would be a waste of time dealing with all of 'em! ^^ |
SiverJan 7, 2014 3:39 AM
| It's not like Natsu hate isn't justified (taken from Tvtropes): "Designated Protagonist Syndrome: While he's not the main character(That title belongs to Lucy), Natsu is seen as this by a great portion of the fandom. His entire character is basically every Shonen cliche in one package with barely any depth to make him interesting. All of his fights nearly follow the same formula, and often his wins are given very flimsy justifications." |
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