layfonkun said: mistress_kisara said: Seeing all the sourgraping comments here makes me want to wish that the shows they hate sell well. And I'm seeing DiaLovers in the Animate Top 10 recently its still hard to predict how much it sells (I hope it sells okay, probably I'm the only one who wishes this and I might preorder the first volume DVD...) Funny thing about DL is it's one of the few otome adaptations that is basically true to the game and characters. I'm hoping it sells well personally. It's not a masterpiece by any means but it's nice to see an otome game get an adaptation that doesn't deviate too much from the source (in terms of characters and the overall story). IKR!? I'm already anticipating the "why did this shit/garbage sell well" comments when it releases next week ^^; |
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j0x said: MCsq2 said: Surprised Kill La Kill isn't first on the predictions, it seems to be the most popular anime of this season o_O its only popular on none japanese fans, but 8K sales makes it decently popular in japan too You're really underestimating the popularity of the series in Japan. |
j0x said: rederoin said: j0x said: MCsq2 said: Surprised Kill La Kill isn't first on the predictions, it seems to be the most popular anime of this season o_O its only popular on none japanese fans, but 8K sales makes it decently popular in japan too You're really underestimating the popularity of the series in Japan. im basing the popularity base on sales though and if 8K is real then its as popular as Star Driver was Which makes it the most popular 'new' series of Autumn. Also, sales =/ popularity. Not to mention that we don't even know how much it will average, since those are only the estimates . |
layfonkun said: mistress_kisara said: Seeing all the sourgraping comments here makes me want to wish that the shows they hate sell well. And I'm seeing DiaLovers in the Animate Top 10 recently its still hard to predict how much it sells (I hope it sells okay, probably I'm the only one who wishes this and I might preorder the first volume DVD...) Funny thing about DL is it's one of the few otome adaptations that is basically true to the game and characters. I'm hoping it sells well personally. It's not a masterpiece by any means but it's nice to see an otome game get an adaptation that doesn't deviate too much from the source (in terms of characters and the overall story). Hmm, I wouldn't say it's completely true so far, but it's fair enough. I like it so far, although the first four episodes were pointless and the real plot related stuff started happening circa episode 5. See I wish they had properly incorporated their pasts, I feel like they were extremely watered down so no one really knows how much of a shit Cordelia really was (at least the anime viewers). But anyways, I do hope it sells okay at least, I know DiaLovers has a huge fanbase. I'll always prefer the game with it's gorgeous art and proper story more than it's sub-par anime adaptation though. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: I don't think this is the case. From what I read in Japanese forums, plenty of people are enjoying the show and get a lot of fun and laughs from it. As I said before, the issue is more like whether to those watchers it is a show that they want to spend a lot of money to own, instead of just watch it and have fun with it. You have to understand that people not buying BD/DVD does not mean that they don't like the show. Japan doesn't really like shows like Samumenco. The rest of your analysis is plausible though. There are clearly effort to draw in groups from all sectors from fujoshi to idol-loving guys but perhaps the effort is just not sufficient to get people grow attached to the show (though this does not mean they don't like it). MCsq said: Hmm... when you said "it seems to be the most popular anime of this season", you were talking about in the west or in Japan? If it is the latter, I wonder how you reached that conclusion? And if it is the former, then you need to understand that being popular in the west means little when it comes to how many BD/DVDs the anime can sell in Japan. Surprised Kill La Kill isn't first on the predictions, it seems to be the most popular anime of this season o_O Kill la Kill surely is one of the most watched shows among the midnight anime in Japan this season, but I do not have any means to check if it is THE most popular show there. And its high popularity (in Japan) is one reason why it is frequently mentioned as a likely member for the TOP FOUR BESTSELLER of this cour. However, there is strong competition from other popular established franchises like KuroBas and IS, and I don't think a lot of people think that some title other than KuroBas or IS would come top in prediction. Also, after the initial shock and awe, the series has fallen into a certain pattern that fans have got used to. It is still considered very entertaining but there is certainly slowdown in the momentum, so a while ago the prediction may be at the level of 9k or above, it is now settled in 7-8k level. That said, it is an original anime and being original it always contains a lot of potential to spring surprise and shock, which could substantially affect its sales performance. In a recent interview, its staff said the second half is THE REAL DEAL and it will be like a rough roller-coaster ride, so the possibility is very much there. |
symbvNov 20, 2013 12:00 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Well I'll say this, Gundam Unicorn - Over The Rainbow just went on sale. Now things should get unusually interesting. Still though the wait till June is going to be brutal. Still it seems like Sunrise is the only company whose output I regularly enjoy that manages to do well more often than not even though they probably don't need it nearly as much as some others. I know they say never look a gift horse in the mouth even when it comes to small petty things like foreign disc sales, but if they could share even a fraction of the wealth around with those other hard workings studios that still speak to me like Madhouse, Brains Base, TMS etc. it'd be even better. Strangely though clicking on it returns a 404 error. Is this a clerical error or something and it's not supposed to be listed yet? |
PeacingOutNov 19, 2013 7:52 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I also noticed that because the title now generates some error in Amazon Stalker. The title started to get solicited last night (there was announcement about this so it could not be wrong), so I reckon it must be some typo in the source code in Amazon. Wonder how long it will take them to notice it and fix it.Strangely though clicking on it returns a 404 error. Is this a clerical error or something and it's not supposed to be listed yet? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
tsubasalover said: *4. 28,796 *28,796 Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Love Comedy wo Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru OP "S・M・L☆" by Afilia Saga 19. 11,559 *11,559 Golden Time OP/ED "Golden Time" by Yui Horie 23. *7,676 **7,676 Samurai Flamenco OP "Just One Life" by SPYAIR 30. *4,432 **4,432 Galilei Donna OP "Synchromanica" by Negoto 44. *2,260 *10,055 Tokyo Ravens OP X-encounter 49. *1,800 *15,384 Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova OP "Savior of Song" 61. *1,432 *49,520 Log Horizon OP "database feat. Takuma(10-Feet)" 71. *1,131 **1,131 Log Horizon ED "Your song*" by Yun*chi Nice to see these songs do well. I like listening to Log Horizon OP followed by Aoki Hagane OP. NouCome's OP just makes me want to do a headstand :D I thought Machinedoll's ED would be more popular, it catchy as hell haha. |
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symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I also noticed that because the title now generates some error in Amazon Stalker. The title started to get solicited last night (there was announcement about this so it could not be wrong), so I reckon it must be some typo in the source code in Amazon. Wonder how long it will take them to notice it and fix it.Strangely though clicking on it returns a 404 error. Is this a clerical error or something and it's not supposed to be listed yet? Now it's disappeared from Amazon entirely. I think somebody done goofed and it wasn't supposed to be up yet. Anyway with 5 separate and distinct titles in the top 20 anime briefly for one company (and by extension 9 distinct titles and 13 media products in the overall top 100) I think it's fair to say I should probably shut the hell up about complaining about other studios hogging the limelight. Sometimes I completely forget about Sunrise sheer consistency and ability to have titles pop up on these lists seemingly out of nowhere. It's not even like they're all adult mecha shows either, I mean you've got the irascible Love Live that keeps popping out out of nowhere every couple of weeks, pseudo period/sci-fi comedy piece Gintama, kids show Build Fighters, 90's classics, movies, OVA's, TV series, special fan discs...I don't know how they are able to diversify to such a degree and stay relatively successful in such a rough market that almost as a rule does not reward such a business model. I can't come up with much other than they just have an unfair advantage by being vertically and horizontally integrated. This might sound controversial, but along with Toei and Aniplex I have this feeling that Sunrise/Namco Bandai essentially all but buys it's success. These are the "studios" that essentially operate as pure producers at this stage of the game. |
PeacingOutNov 19, 2013 8:25 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I think they took it down to fix the problem. As I said, the solicitation announcement was out last night (at around midnight) so today people should be able to preorder it. Now it's disappeared from Amazon entirely. I think somebody done goofed and it wasn't supposed to be up yet. Yeah, Gundam UC easily sold >200k each volume. Which franchise can sell this many? As for Sunrise, as I said before it has a pretty decent reputation among fans in Japan. You just need to avoid letting yourself trolled by haters in the western forums. For your question about how they are able to diversify, one key factor is that unlike some studios (including those you hate so much) it is a BIG studio and has BIG company behind it to back it up. Not to downplay Sunrise's achievement, but Sunrise indeed comes with some inherent advantage and scale (as you said) that makes diversification easier. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I also noticed that because the title now generates some error in Amazon Stalker. The title started to get solicited last night (there was announcement about this so it could not be wrong), so I reckon it must be some typo in the source code in Amazon. Wonder how long it will take them to notice it and fix it.Strangely though clicking on it returns a 404 error. Is this a clerical error or something and it's not supposed to be listed yet? Now it's disappeared from Amazon entirely. I think somebody done goofed and it wasn't supposed to be up yet. Anyway with 5 separate and distinct titles in the top 20 anime briefly for one company (and by extension 9 distinct titles and 13 media products in the overall top 100) I think it's fair to say I should probably shut the hell up about complaining about other studios hogging the limelight. Sometimes I completely forget about Sunrise sheer consistency and ability to have titles pop up on these lists seemingly out of nowhere. It's not even like they're all adult mecha shows either, I mean you've got the irascible Love Live that keeps popping out out of nowhere every couple of weeks, pseudo period/sci-fi comedy piece Gintama, kids show Build Fighters, 90's classics, movies, OVA's, TV series, special fan discs...I don't know how they are able to diversify to such a degree and stay relatively successful in such a rough market that almost as a rule does not reward such a business model. I can't come up with much other than they just have an unfair advantage by being vertically and horizontally integrated. This might sound controversial, but along with Toei I have this feeling that Sunrise essentially all but buys it's success. Sunrise finds a way. Valvrave 2 might actually do okay sales wise this season too, looking at the estimates. |
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symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I think they took it down to fix the problem. As I said, the solicitation announcement was out last night (at around midnight) so today people should be able to preorder it. Now it's disappeared from Amazon entirely. I think somebody done goofed and it wasn't supposed to be up yet. Yeah, Gundam UC easily sold >200k each volume. Which franchise can sell this many? As for Sunrise, as I said before it has a pretty decent reputation among fans in Japan. You just need to avoid letting yourself trolled by haters in the western forums. For your question about how they are able to diversify, one key factor is that unlike some studios (including those you hate so much) it is a BIG studio and has BIG company behind it to back it up. Not to downplay Sunrise's achievement, but Sunrise indeed comes with some inherent advantage and scale (as you said) that makes diversification easier. Well here's the thing, back in the late 90's/early 2000's when anime was doing relatively okay as a market in the West, you essentially had two studios whose shows pretty well dominated what we saw on American TV and too little surprise it was the heavies in Toei and Sunrise. At that stage of the game Sunrise could be said to be quite popular in the west if not in outright control of what could be considered popular with hits like Cowboy Bebop, The Big O, Gundam Wing and Outlaw Star. Then around the time of the Western anime market crash essentially wiping out whatever Toei and Sunrise (and to be fair OLM with Pokemon) had achieved in popularizing anime in the Western public consciousness of a generation and nearly making it a mainstream almost acceptable thing beyond the "porno cartoons" that anime usually got labelled as by the public as well as with the advent of loud opinionated bloggers and loud forum posters (like say ummm...me) I feel like there was almost something of a counterculture movement by jilted fans that saw fit to get them labelled as the train-wreck studio for shits and giggles and as the saying goes, if repeat something often enough, even if it's not based in much but subjective opinion people start to see it as the truth. Now I feel things are sort of starting to come full circle again as there's a renewed counter culture or retro-culture like demand for the kinds of productions they often bring to the table. As an example back in the late 2000's you never would have seen people come around to acknowledge that Valvrave had started to tighten up it's script, rather the general commentary around the internet would more than likely look like a double down on calling the show a train-wreck and pointing out it's perceived flaws. Essentially people are giving their works a real chance again and I think they're finding that the whole train-wreck studio thing is kind of a load of bunk. At this rate I just don't see that whole label being relevant for much longer if trends keep up which would be a real breather for me as a regular fan of their output, especially as the studio continues to diversify it's portfolio into the realm of the kids demographic as well as using it's Studio 8 to appeal more to the moe loving crowd and with much recent success and popularity in the likes of Horizon, Love Live, Accel World and the like. Anyway this is pure guess and speculation work from following this studios output and commentary on them in the Western fandom pretty closely for well over a decade now. I have honestly no real way of telling what or how much people are really thinking about them, but IMO for a while the outlook was in a word ugly. If your really curious to see what I mean though just google search the string "Sunrise anime trainwreck" and you'll see some interesting opinions on either side of the debate. |
| Toei and Sunrise may have popularized the anime in the western world but the experience of the crash also means fingers burnt and hard lesson learned for them. This is why they (and many other anime production firms) are very cautious with expanding into the western market. The rampant illegal downloading and streaming of course did not help at all, so what remains is just pittance gained from licensing streaming and limited release of R1 discs. Even if things are coming full circle, I am not sure it will mean anything profitable in the west, and then there is also the apparently entrenched image (according to you) that people are not giving them much chance in any show they make. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Toei and Sunrise may have popularized the anime in the western world but the experience of the crash also means fingers burnt and hard lesson learned for them. This is why they (and many other anime production firms) are very cautious with expanding into the western market. The rampant illegal downloading and streaming of course did not help at all, so what remains is just pittance gained from licensing streaming and limited release of R1 discs. Even if things are coming full circle, I am not sure it will mean anything profitable in the west, and then there is also the apparently entrenched image (according to you) that people are not giving them much chance in any show they make. Well I think that's why Toei and Sunrise have been among the first companies to embrace streaming as a means of getting their product out there. |
tsudecimo said: Yes, Nov 27th. When is Neko volume 2 gonna be released? next week? tsudecimo said: IIRC none of the BD/DVD in any volume of Monogatari series from Bake onwards carries event ticket.Are there any known event tickets in Monogatari second season BDs? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: symbv said: Toei and Sunrise may have popularized the anime in the western world but the experience of the crash also means fingers burnt and hard lesson learned for them. This is why they (and many other anime production firms) are very cautious with expanding into the western market. The rampant illegal downloading and streaming of course did not help at all, so what remains is just pittance gained from licensing streaming and limited release of R1 discs. Even if things are coming full circle, I am not sure it will mean anything profitable in the west, and then there is also the apparently entrenched image (according to you) that people are not giving them much chance in any show they make. Well I think that's why Toei and Sunrise have been among the first companies to embrace streaming as a means of getting their product out there. Ironically, over here Toei has by far the worst reputation of any anime industry company for making it as difficult as possible to get licenses to stream or physically release their products. And it's a well-earned negative reputation too. |
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xchee said: Machine Doll ED Maware! Setsugekka doesn't go on sale until the 27th. Nice to see these songs do well. I like listening to Log Horizon OP followed by Aoki Hagane OP. NouCome's OP just makes me want to do a headstand :D I thought Machinedoll's ED would be more popular, it catchy as hell haha. I hope you were wearing your antigravity pants/skirt for that headstand LOL. I also love S.M.L.! |
Kaioshin_Sama said: JizzyHitler said: rederoin said: God i hope that doesnt happen, i cant believe a show as enjoyable and easy to pick up as flamenco could do that bad. Especially when a garbage adaption like Blazblue is estimated to do twice flamenco is. Honestly that makes me more angry that BB is even doing slightly below average, it doesnt even deserve to chart1.2k -> 0.9k Samurai Flemenco Japan doesn't really like shows like Samumenco. For one it has a balanced cast, the male lead isn't a muscled handsome dude so no fujoshi are going to buy it, the female lead is an idol but that's kind of cancelled out by the fact that she doesn't really sing anything outside of the OP and is shown to be flirtatious and interested in cops, there hasn't been much in the way of fanservice that I can recall, it's just been pure super hero love and send up. Plus it's on noitaminA which is considered to be somewhat outside of the realm of otakudom and targeted more at mainstream crowds interests. It was pretty much doomed from the starts. Potential bestsellers are things built like Infinite Stratos 2 and Free and the like. Lots of eye catching female and male designs respectively that give the buyer crowd the scenarios they want fanservice wise and the story, notable character development, themes and motifs, and all those other things that generally matter in most media markets come second if that. If there's one thing I've learned in recent years it's that the things that the average person thinks would matter most tend to be way down the list on what it will take for anime buyers in Japan to fork over money and this season IMO chose to focus on those things more than what sells a little bit more and is thus paying the price. Aha..ha..ha.. that's terrible.. I just feel like crying. Make me wonder how well will Parasyte anime adaption do. symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I don't think this is the case. From what I read in Japanese forums, plenty of people are enjoying the show and get a lot of fun and laughs from it. As I said before, the issue is more like whether to those watchers it is a show that they want to spend a lot of money to own, instead of just watch it and have fun with it. You have to understand that people not buying BD/DVD does not mean that they don't like the show. Japan doesn't really like shows like Samumenco. The rest of your analysis is plausible though. There are clearly effort to draw in groups from all sectors from fujoshi to idol-loving guys but perhaps the effort is just not sufficient to get people grow attached to the show (though this does not mean they don't like it). That kinda makes me wonder why did they chose to buy IS2, to be honest it's not like it has any re-watch value, but that's just my opinion. Watching Ichika being dense to an unrealistic degree around the girls that openly hinted their affection is quite unbearable, or maybe he is a gay? Nah that can't be possible since he had shown to be lusting, or shown some tease affection toward few of the girls. I don't know what other people think, but if it was me, I'd buy a show to support it, a good quality show, not something that repeat the same thing again and again. By the way I am serious when I asked what makes them decide to buy IS2 instead. plot. |
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| The thing is, if Ichika says, "Houki, let's get married!" ...and they do then the harem comedy will be over. It's funny because he's dense. If he sleeps with them all then we'll get a "Nice mecha!" ...ending and that is a real possibility with those IS just waiting to be activated by those jealous girls... His head in a duffle bag is just one activated weapon arm away... He lives a very dangerous and complicated life in the IS Academy when you think about it LOL But it seems buyers agree. Sales are down so they are not as happy with it as they were with the first season. |
xchee said: I thought Machinedoll's ED would be more popular, it catchy as hell haha. I've become slightly addicted to it even though I'm not watching the anime. |
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ToG25thBaam said: I cannot speak for everybody but I kind of understand why some may think IS has rewatch value. I rewatched Charlotte losing panty episode twice because I found it funny and I love to see all the various embarrassing situation Charlotte found herself in. I don't care how dense Ichika is because for me he is just the foil to induce the various situations and reactions from the characters. Everything I just treat it as a male fantasy - unrealistic of course but funny and/or titillating nonetheless. And if this is entertaining enough for some people who want to go back to it time and again, they would buy the BD/DVD. That's it. That kinda makes me wonder why did they chose to buy IS2, to be honest it's not like it has any re-watch value, but that's just my opinion. Watching Ichika being dense to an unrealistic degree around the girls that openly hinted their affection is quite unbearable, or maybe he is a gay? ToG25thBaam said: And I have given my answer and thought seriously.By the way I am serious when I asked what makes them decide to buy IS2 instead. plot. Alternatively, hpulley also gave a good answer. Dense MC in harem is more the norm. You may have exception once in a while but the standard is a dense MC, and for a harem fan this is never much of a problem as long as the girls are appealing enough and the situations in which characters interact are interesting enough. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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EjcNov 20, 2013 3:02 AM
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| The problem is not Ichika being dense, but because the show takes his denseness to a groundbreaking level, and constantly slapping it right into your face that it grows unbearably tiring over time for some people. I mean, look at other dense harem MCs such as Raishin from Machine Doll or Kyosuke from OreImo. Yes, they're dense indeed, but their denseness don't come across as painfully annoying and actually for some good reason, and said shows don't consistently try too hard to remind us how painfully dumb the MC is, unlike Infinite Stratos does |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Oh, so you did read what I said in previous thread. That's always something.Anyway with 5 separate and distinct titles in the top 20 anime briefly for one company (and by extension 9 distinct titles and 13 media products in the overall top 100) I think it's fair to say I should probably shut the hell up about complaining about other studios hogging the limelight. Sometimes I completely forget about Sunrise sheer consistency and ability to have titles pop up on these lists seemingly out of nowhere. It's not even like they're all adult mecha shows either, I mean you've got the irascible Love Live that keeps popping out out of nowhere every couple of weeks, pseudo period/sci-fi comedy piece Gintama, kids show Build Fighters, 90's classics, movies, OVA's, TV series, special fan discs... Kaioshin_Sama said: Because Sunrise is basically multiple studio at the same time. They have several branches making separate anime on their own, that gives them big advantage over competition. When I get back home I'll link you photos of different studio so you'll be able to compare their size. They aren't "relatively successful" but extremely successful. Gundam sells as always (numbers of Unicorn you provided; sure, their last TV shows aren't doing that well but it's rather obvious BDs aren't their primary goal) and Studio 8 pumps out one 20k seller after another every year. Accel World might pale in comparison to SAO but it's still very successful with high sales and boost to LNs. I have no idea how can you say industry doesn't reward such a business model. If there's one consistently successful studio, it's Sunrise. No matter what they touch, it does well. They are even doing it with Gintama. You don't hear about it that often though because Western fans don't really associate those shows with Sunrise, they look at each of them separately. This is very important thing, you should differentiate between opinion about studio and opinion about specific show made by this studio. In Sunrise's case it's usually the latter. I bet most of people complaining about VVV's plot twists don't even know it's made by the same studio* as one of their favorite anime (be it CG, CB, Gundam, Gintama or whatever else)I don't know how they are able to diversify to such a degree and stay relatively successful in such a rough market that almost as a rule does not reward such a business model. I can't come up with much other than they just have an unfair advantage by being vertically and horizontally integrated. *but probably different branch Also, I think you're looking at the whole trainwreck thing wrong way. Do you remember what earned Sunrise such reputation? Code Geass, their by far most popular anime in the West. In current, bastardized definition of the word, "trainwreck" isn't necessarily negative in meaning, I'd even dare to say it tends to hold positive aspect. When people say things like "Another trainwreck from Sunrise." it usually means "It's gonna be a fun show!" and not "I hate them so much, why can't they make more moe like KyoAni or Shaft" you see it as. |
| ^ One thing I definitely agree is that Sunrise is very successful and also has the ability to try and do a lot of things. It also has big firm to back them up so it means it always has good budget to work on and can count on good deal of marketing and distribution channels. It really belongs to a different league compared to some other well-known studios which function more or less as independent outfits (yes, studio K and studio S for example). And I would call any western fan who wants to mock Sunrise pretty ignorant because all they may know about Sunrise is just the few robot anime which they think are what all the studio does while in fact it is a federation of studios that churn out a big range of products year in year out. The smaller studios (like K and S) may have characteristic style because it is small but Sunrise is too big to pin a particular style or approach on them. As I have argued before, it is much more meaningful to look at which sub-studio is doing it, or better, who are the key staff, which would have much bigger influence over the end product than which studio is doing it. Amiluhur said: Actually I don't see his being unbearably dense. The situation where he needs to act dense is not that frequent and I find it pass fairly quickly. Most of the time he just went along with the flow and stayed gentleman. So, as I said earlier, I just find it easy to sidestep him and focus on those girls. The problem is not Ichika being dense, but because the show takes his denseness to a groundbreaking level, and constantly slapping it right into your face that it grows unbearably tiring over time for some people. |
symbvNov 20, 2013 3:27 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ToG25thBaam said: I cannot speak for everybody but I kind of understand why some may think IS has rewatch value. I rewatched Charlotte losing panty episode twice because I found it funny and I love to see all the various embarrassing situation Charlotte found herself in. I don't care how dense Ichika is because for me he is just the foil to induce the various situations and reactions from the characters. Everything I just treat it as a male fantasy - unrealistic of course but funny and/or titillating nonetheless. And if this is entertaining enough for some people who want to go back to it time and again, they would buy the BD/DVD. That's it. That kinda makes me wonder why did they chose to buy IS2, to be honest it's not like it has any re-watch value, but that's just my opinion. Watching Ichika being dense to an unrealistic degree around the girls that openly hinted their affection is quite unbearable, or maybe he is a gay? ToG25thBaam said: And I have given my answer and thought seriously.By the way I am serious when I asked what makes them decide to buy IS2 instead. plot. Alternatively, hpulley also gave a good answer. Dense MC in harem is more the norm. You may have exception once in a while but the standard is a dense MC, and for a harem fan this is never much of a problem as long as the girls are appealing enough and the situations in which characters interact are interesting enough. Charlotte is indeed my favorite character ever since the first season, and I raged at the first season hinted Houki ending, but even such a character wouldn't be able to keep me going. Well now I understand better, though I did understand too before, that people are watching the show for the girls. At least Charlotte is not typically following the archetype, not a tsundere, not a kuudere, not a yandere, not a dandere, and not moeeee! |
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ToG25thBaam said: Even everybody watches the show for the girl, there is no denying that a MC is still needed because only with him around will the girls get together and only with him various events happen which gets the girls into various interesting situation. So I just treat the MC as a tag along, perhaps even a necessary nuisance, for me to see the girls, and once in a while I would treat him as a stand-in for myself when I fantasize being in the same situation as him LOL Well now I understand better, though I did understand too before, that people are watching the show for the girls. At least Charlotte is not typically following the archetype, not a tsundere, not a kuudere, not a yandere, not a dandere, and not moeeee! Hmmm.. Charlotte may be not a tundere, kuudere or whatever, but dere she definitely is and extremely moe too. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Charlotte is deredere chou moe moe! You don't get much more moe than Charlotte... or deredere... |
ToG25thBaam said: Whaaa?!At least Charlotte is not typically following the archetype, not a tsundere, not a kuudere, not a yandere, not a dandere, and not moeeee! She's definitely the most moe out of IS girls. If it weren't for her, I'm not sure if I would be able to like IS. @symbv, no, there IS a way. Yuri. Pinnacle of the anime. Highest stage of evolution. Just the girls, no need for MC. |
| I don't know much about this, but sales are quite low this week, no? |
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Progeusz said: You are very right, though somehow the mood I have watching Yuri is different from the mood I get from watching harem. At the very least fanservice and sensual moments are not something I'd come to expect from a yuri show, and I'd even argue the MOE I take from a yuri show is not quite the same as the MOE in a harem show, perhaps the former is a lot less linked with ecchi? Not sure....@symbv, no, there IS a way. Yuri. Pinnacle of the anime. Highest stage of evolution. Just the girls, no need for MC. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
zackner said: I don't know much about this, but sales are quite low this week, no? That's because nothing new came out.. |
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symbv said: With a harem show you can put yourself in the place of the MC so in some ways, the dumber the better. If he gets the girl then you can't really get her. With yuri on the other hand, you are obviously just an observer, there is no one in the scene you can really relate with unless you do some gender bending in your head...Progeusz said: You are very right, though somehow the mood I have watching Yuri is different from the mood I get from watching harem. At the very least fanservice and sensual moments are not something I'd come to expect from a yuri show, and I'd even argue the MOE I take from a yuri show is not quite the same as the MOE in a harem show, perhaps the former is a lot less linked with ecchi? Not sure....@symbv, no, there IS a way. Yuri. Pinnacle of the anime. Highest stage of evolution. Just the girls, no need for MC. It is the same in otome games where in Amnesia the shuujinkou is even more brain dead that a harem MC, she hardly says anything at all. Brothers Conflict heroine says barely more. Yui in Diabolik Lovers is actually pretty active for an otome game heroine, she even tries to fight back at times while in Amnesia she gets locked in cages and dropped off rooftops without any resistance at all! But again, it seems that's what girls want. I go on boards talking about how "hawt" the guys in Diabolik Lovers are and I don't really get it. I enjoy the show but obviously for very different reasons than the girls watching for the hawt guys... |
| ^ In Japan one common saying is "you are forgiven for anything you do if you are an ikemen". Apparently many girls would even be more than willing to fall into a passive mode being led around. Being teased or manipulated by the ideal ikemen seems to be the hidden desire for them. However, the key word is "ideal" - in real life since they do not have the safety and certainty that guys are really that well-meaning or flawless, they will not put themselves into a similar passive and obedient mode. Just like harem it is still a pure fantasy world which serves the hidden desire of its target audience. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: I go on boards talking about how "hawt" the guys in Diabolik Lovers are and I don't really get it. I enjoy the show but obviously for very different reasons than the girls watching for the hawt guys... Well, as a girl I can't really deny that they are indeed good looking (and I do fangirl), but I watch the show because I find the characters fascinating. And its the same with male-oriented shows, I like Dog Days but the forums I go to, mostly just talks about how cute their waifu is XD but I guess to each her/his own.. :P |
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| ^^^ yes, indeed both are fantasy ideals. Most guys I know there do not shy away from the things harem MCs shy away from, they are quite nampa and will absolutely go for it if the correct opportunity presents itself. The only girls that are as willing as the girls in harem shows usually have pimps behind them asking if you want Japanese, Chinese or Russian girls so they are willing for a reason... And the girls looking for ikemen... are very funny indeed. Ikemen, gotta love that term... mistress_kisara said: But the idea of being held down on a couch against your will and having your blood drank? That doesn't sound nice to me, sounds awful really and yet... I watch...hpulley said: I go on boards talking about how "hawt" the guys in Diabolik Lovers are and I don't really get it. I enjoy the show but obviously for very different reasons than the girls watching for the hawt guys... Well, as a girl I can't really deny that they are indeed good looking (and I do fangirl), but I watch the show because I find the characters fascinating. And its the same with male-oriented shows, I like Dog Days but the forums I go to, mostly just talks about how cute their waifu is XD but I guess to each her/his own.. :P |
hpulley said: Many people criticize harem for being unrealistic but I think they are really missing the point. I would say most harem fans accept the notion that it is unrealistic but still they want some realism so that a story can be told (instead of just a series of ecchi encounters lined up without context). And they accept that because of the limitation of the genre (that if the MC picks a girl the harem story will have to end) there will not be a firm resolution of the relationship (except when it is a harem end). If they want anything that crosses the line, they know they can always head for the doujin. Afer all, this is one big reason why doujin exist.^^^ yes, indeed both are fantasy ideals. Most guys I know there do not shy away from the things harem MCs shy away from, they are quite nampa and will absolutely go for it if the correct opportunity presents itself. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: Really? I'd love if Mina Tepes did this to me.But the idea of being held down on a couch against your will and having your blood drank? That doesn't sound nice to me, sounds awful really and yet... I watch... |
| ^ I am sure a lot of guys suddenly find themselves really a masochist when they actually get thrilled hearing those 2D girls verbally or even physically abusing the MC. One particularly popular moe feature is the spiteful face or cold disgusted look of a female character. Gosh, even the cold face of Kongo staring at Kirishima the bear at the end of the latest episode of Aoki Hagane got bunch of moe thumbs-up in 2ch... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ^ I am sure a lot of guys suddenly find themselves really a masochist when they actually get thrilled hearing those 2D girls verbally or even physically abusing the MC. One particularly popular moe feature is the spiteful face or cold disgusted look of a female character. Gosh, even the cold face of Kongo staring at Kirishima the bear at the end of the latest episode of Aoki Hagane got bunch of moe thumbs-up in 2ch... Why can't we have a harem filled with tsunderes/yanderes ;_; |
rederoin said: Too many tsunderes can get too annoying but most harem usually has at least one tsundere. As for yandere, because of her tendency to be possessive it is not that easy to place in a harem without some twists (and for yandere I mean the real yandere not some dere that is excessively keen to appeal herself)Why can't we have a harem filled with tsunderes/yanderes ;_; |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| ***,*94位/***,106位 ★ (**3,114 pt) [*,178予約] 2014/01/08 キルラキル 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] ***,121位/***,116位 ★ (**2,673 pt) [*,119予約] 2013/12/27 【Amazon.co.jp限定】蒼き鋼のアルペジオ -アルス・ノヴァ- 第1巻(初回限定生産)(描き下ろし全巻収納BOX付き)[Blu-ray] ***,136位/***,123位 ★ (**2,347 pt) [*,*64予約] 2013/12/25 のんのんびより 第1巻 [Blu-ray] At the second to last update, not a single V1 was in the top 100. Thats the first time I saw something like that happen in the middle of a season. edit : ***,104位/***,102位 ★ (**3,188 pt) [*,178予約] 2014/01/08 Kill la Kill v1 [Blu-ray] ***,126位/***,118位 ★ (**2,740 pt) [*,119予約] 2013/12/27 Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova v1[Blu-ray] ***,129位/***,126位 ★ (**2,419 pt) [*,*64予約] 2013/12/25 Non Non Biyori v1 [Blu-ray] And now this.. symbv said: rederoin said: Too many tsunderes can get too annoying but most harem usually has at least one tsundere. As for yandere, because of her tendency to be possessive it is not that easy to place in a harem without some twists (and for yandere I mean the real yandere not some dere that is excessively keen to appeal herself)Why can't we have a harem filled with tsunderes/yanderes ;_; It wasn't really a question, I just think it'd be interesting(although it would never happen). Or a yandere yuri harem. |
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