scytheavatar said: kuuderes_shadow said: And if you look at these two series, the fact that it was shaft doing the animation really doesn't factor into it much - the people are fans of the series themselves more than the studio. The monogatari series was a bestseller before shaft ever touched it. And Madoka would sell well from any half-decent animation studio. You could argue that Monogatari could have sold well from another studio but Madoka was an original series, a magical girl show that's Evangelion in disguise. Most other animation studios probably wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole if a producer attempted to pitch it to them, so it's ridiculous to not give SHAFT credit for having the balls to pull it off. I worded that paragraph rather carefully. I wasn't even touching on whether or not they would have taken up the series - something we will never find out. This isn't like with book publishing where authors will sometimes talk about how their idea was rejected by x many publishers, and even publishers themselves have been known to talk about ideas they've rejected. Other than KyoAni with Little Busters, I don't think I've ever heard of a specific example of a studio turning down a series, although it's obvioius that it would happen frequently. And without that information, we can't say as to whether or not another studio would have animated it (heck, even with that information we probably couldn't) so discussing that is meaningless. Which is why I was commenting on whether they could do a good job of it if they had. Of course, not every studio has the funds that Shaft had from Bakemonogatari's windfall, but that's sort of beside the point. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| My 2 cents: Monogatari is probably so successful because of, well, Monogatari fans and not Shaft fans. Nisio Isin is talented after all, and very popular. Shingeki is not something I'd consider GAR, there wasn't a single GAR character design it, only little boys and bishounen. |
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tsudecimo said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I've actually made several attempts to finish Bakemonogatari I can't fucking believe this, you mean all the time you were bitching about Monogatari you didn't even finish one season or an adaption of it? Jesus, no wonder your ''criticism'' was vague and empty as hell. Why do you think I tried to finish it. I wanted to be able to add more commentary about the latter arcs, but I literally just cannot get through them due to the content that I was just not able to absorb or enjoy to any degree. That already says a lot to me right there. Sadly despite my last attempt being a little over a year ago I can't even remember enough about the parts I've seen several times now (each of my three attempts, 1 in 2009 where I quit part way through Snail arc, 1 in 2011 where I quit around the same time remembering how awful I found it, one in late 2012 where I managed to make it to the end of the Monkey arc and saw little improvement with that one so dropped it again) enough to discuss them in much detail (really so much of it is just mindless filler banter though that there's not much I can think of that I consider discussion worthy) though I can remember in general what it is I don't like about the franchise itself just fine. I would love if one day you actually proved that those are the majority of the fanbase and how they are and I quote ''it's fanbase represent everything I find wrong with anime and the community these days in a nutshell.'' All I will say is look around you. And no they aren't the majority of the fanbase, they are definitely the loudest most apparent part of it though. Higashi_no_Kaze said: My 2 cents: Monogatari is probably so successful because of, well, Monogatari fans and not Shaft fans. Nisio Isin is talented after all, and very popular. Shingeki is not something I'd consider GAR, there wasn't a single GAR character design it, only little boys and bishounen. Can't write worth a damn IMO. Maybe by light novel standards he's a little more experimental than most, but he still falls into a lot of the genre traps, conventions and his prose is just...yeah. I remember reading a bit of Bakemonogatari just to see what the source looked like and it feeling like I was reading a high schooler who figures himself an aspiring authors attempt at wish fulfillment fan fiction, though to be fair I feel the same about pretty much every light novel I've had the chance to read, even the ones I kind of like. Also I'm starting to think I have a different definition of gar than most. I get the sense most people think big loud muscled shouting asshole or something that has to do with a look and a sound, which is a fair definition but not the only one. To me gar is a feeling that is invoked too that is best described as witnessing demonstrations of courage and resolve to stand against the odds, which Titan featured a lot of throughout it's run from more than a few characters and in their own ways be it Mikasa's martial skill, Eren's resolve and will or Armin's commitment to putting himself in danger to act as the teams brains. Some might also define it as morale. |
PeacingOutNov 14, 2013 10:58 AM
phoenixalia said: And Tokyo Ravens too. The jump has not been as substantial as KnK though.rederoin said: Wait, KnK volume 1 got an event ticket? So THAT explains the sudden jump in rankings. Wonder if it'll be a big effect or if it will simmer down after a few days. Time will tell. Just looking at KnK, those event tickets sure are powerful, huh? |
symbvNov 14, 2013 10:59 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: phoenixalia said: And Tokyo Ravens too. The jump has not been as substantial as KnK though.rederoin said: Wait, KnK volume 1 got an event ticket? So THAT explains the sudden jump in rankings. Wonder if it'll be a big effect or if it will simmer down after a few days. Time will tell. Just looking at KnK, those event tickets sure are powerful, huh? Well KnK is a Kyoani series so that goes without question. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: How come I have a feeling that you are talking about yourself and what you are doing bitching about the elusive KyoAni and Shaft fanboys week in week out in these sales threads?It's not so much the content itself (I mean they look like total asshats doing it and at the end of the day who really cares besides them right?) as they never shut up about it, start thread shitting over it and it ruins otherwise good threads. |
symbvNov 14, 2013 11:33 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @Kaoishin: I don't think you can hold the genre traps and conventions against him, what makes him stand out is how he makes use of them. It is really the only ecchi and harem(ish) series I ever really enjoyed, which says a lot to me about his ability to write intriguing dialogue, because I really don't care much about the fanservice. Though even in that department the Monogatari series is an exception to me. Though it's been bugging me more in the current season. Sure, it's not 'high literature' or whatever, but in the confines of the medium and genre it's pretty damn good and if you dislike it it's probably because you don't like the genre at all (though even that's not a given here. Me being prove). Anyway, my favorite definiton of GAR is from lisnoires profile: "That guy has muscles in his sh*t." I've always considered it more of a character archetype/feature than anything else. Characters like Golgo 13, Alucard, Batou, JoJo, Spike etc... A specific type of badass, kind of. Your definition is interesting too though, it reminds me of a 'manly' version of moe, it being a feeling invoked by certain situations, characters or actions. |
AlcoholicideNov 14, 2013 11:10 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Why do you think I tried to finish it[........] I'm not sure what you are getting at. You didn't enjoy it but you can't remember much of it, yet you continue to call it ''bad'' and ''pandering crap'' or whatever buzzwords you like to use. You are expecting people to realize how bad it is even though you can't pinpoint what is so wrong about the series that you feel it doesn't deserve it's popularity and success. Kaioshin_Sama said: All I will say is look around you. And no they aren't the majority of the fanbase, they are definitely the loudest most apparent part of it though. Where? The Monogatari series fans are really tame especially compared to Madoka's. Whenever something is related to Monogatari in a thread I click it and I rarely ever see those fanboys that you always despise and rant about. Kaioshin_Sama said: Maybe by light novel standards he's a little more experimental than most Monogatari novels are not light novels, all his other works are also not light novels. He loves to write a lot and expand the dialogues. Kaioshin_Sama said: but he still falls into a lot of the genre traps, conventions and his prose is just...yeah. Like? Kaioshin_Sama said: I remember reading a bit of Bakemonogatari just to see what the source looked like and it feeling like I was reading a high schooler who figures himself an aspiring authors attempt at wish fulfillment fan fiction, though to be fair I feel the same about pretty much every light novel I've had the chance to read, even the ones I kind of like. I hate to break it to you but normal LN authors can't write like Niso. His writing style is famous and recognized by many as unique. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: But where are the "only Shaft could do x" and "only KyoAni has the talent to do y" fanboys here?? I don't see any. So if you have been holding any grunge against such fans (though as I said earlier, I suspect you only used this concept of studio fanboyism as a lightning rod to project what you dislike about the anime industry and trend in general), you should just take it to where those fans exist, instead of bitching about it incessantly here all the time. Repeat what you just said to Shaft and Kyoani fans because I actually agree with you. There's needs to be less of "only Shaft could do x" or "only Kyoani has the talent to do y" in discussions about them because a lot of the time I think it's the farthest thing from the truth. And I counted today at least 7 here in this thread who firmly disagree with your "studio fanboy" view with at least 3 think that you are either being delusional or living in another dimension. It must be a record of sort (at least in this news board)... Anyway, for GAR I am sure the art style counts as much as the mood and story style. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: It hasn't even seen the top100 and already started falling. That only proves how dead the show is, if even the event ticket (combined with the best episode so far AND announcement of shorts related to last episode) can't boost it to decent rank and has so short effect.Well apparently it can as yet again the trend continues and the awful Kyokai no Kanata achieves it's highest position ever for the 3rd week in a row. I know it's probably the even ticket but still. Kaioshin_Sama said: "only KyoAni/Shaft has both the balls and talent to do xy" would be more accurate (but still not accurate at all). Shaft all the time and KyoAni over past two years. Thankfully Sunrise is also trying with shows like Horizon or Love Live.Repeat what you just said to Shaft and Kyoani fans because I actually agree with you. There's needs to be less of "only Shaft could do x" or "only Kyoani has the talent to do y" in discussions about them because a lot of the time I think it's the farthest thing from the truth. You bitch about your imaginary fanboys - I say people like you who think "Shaft = Madoka, Monogatari and nothing else" are incredibly annoying. Yes, even though Madoka is easily in my top3 all time and I doubt it will ever change. I've had enough of countless diehard Bake fans who didn't even consider watching Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko or Arakawa Under the Bridge (both of which I like more than Bake). So it really pisses me off when you throw up your usual mindless tantrum, thinking you know anything, treating yourself like some super expert and spouting that Shaft is all about Monogatari/Madoka. Shaft has suffered many hardships popularity-wise and sales-wise. They had shows not breaking even or outright flops. People were complaining that they focus on style without caring about quality. When we got better characters/plot, there were even more complaints about animation. This studio has always had big amounts of both fans and haters because of its unique traits (unlike your precious Sunrise which has no haters - just because someone doesn't like VVV doesn't mean they don't like whole Sunrise - get this to your head already. Well, it makes sense because Sunrise doesn't really have general specified style or even characteristic, maybe outside of something like "big budget"). Bake's success was a real blessing. Madoka was another blessing telling Shaft they have hope outside of that single show called Monogatari. That gave them confidence to work more, experiment, be creative, do what they're best at. Shaft still has aura of "that strange studio" and despite Madoka/Monogatari, people still don't really expect good shows from them, just weird anime which might be nice. Those were just two shows which happened to become insane hits. I have no idea how you can keep saying that Shaft/their fans dominate the industry/community and are in better position than other studio (especially Sunrise which is the closest to dominating since forever). |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: but in the confines of the medium and genre it's pretty damn good and if you dislike it it's probably because you don't like the genre at all (though even that's not a given here. Me being prove). I don't think it's necessarily to like harem or ecchi to like or appreciate Monogatari ( except for Nise), as a matter of a fact, most of the people that are fans of the series that I know off or regularly see in Monogatari discussion threads don't like ecchi or harem or don't exactly like them or have titles that has those in their favorites. Bakemonogatari set the introductions of the most important characters and the supernatural elements and romance has a major focus and is more prominent than ecchi and harem. The story gets more serious with each season and the supernatural elements actually compliment the character development and dialogue as seen in Monogatari second season. And according to the novel readers the final season ties it all up and it's more plot heavy and serious. Saying that he didn't like it because he doesn't like ecchi and harem, really doesn't make sense, since the series doesn't share anything even remotely similar outside of a very superficial level with the common anime in those genres. |
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tsudecimo said: I would say on record that back then reading Bakemongatari for the first time opened a door to a whole new world of possibility and potential to me for a work of popular literature, and I believe it is a great piece of literature for young people. I would also say that it indeed rewards re-reading as it can be approached on several different levels and angles. The anime is a pleasant surprise because it did the almost impossible task of adapting the dialogue-heavy format of the novels into the blend of images, motions, voices and music seen/heard in the anime, and successfully turned its limitation (the heavy dialogues) into something of a unique appeal instead of dragging it down. From what I read, one main reason for the jaw-dropping sales of Bake BD/DVD is because fans of the novel found the anime such a perfect complement to the novel they read and love. The huge number of Bake discs sold could hardly be achieved by the usual anime otaku alone. A lot of casual buyers (and many of them seem to be fans of the novel) must have involved: I myself witnessed students in school uniforms buying the discs on several occasions; they definitely did not look like otaku, and some were even girls (so much for the commonly heard dismissal that Bake only appeals to guys because of all the fan service and ecchi).I hate to break it to you but normal LN authors can't write like Niso. His writing style is famous and recognized by many as unique. |
symbvNov 14, 2013 11:54 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
phoenixalia said: Problem with Tokyo Ravens is that you need BOTH vol.1 and vol.2 together to be able to make an application for the lottery. This could explain why the boost effect is a bit more blunted in the case of Tokyo Ravens.@symbv Tokyo Ravens too huh? That explains another thing. I wonder how many more will egt Event Tickets. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I think the thread has been derailed enough regarding Kaioshin_Sama's topic of KyoAni/Shaft fanboyism or lacking thereof. If you want a discussion with him, you can do so on his profile or PMs. Future discussion on this topic, while can happen in subsequent sales threads, should be kept to a reasonable number of post so that it's not looking like a massive derailment. |
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| wow ppl really pay for garbage like free!. |
Kerozinn said: wow ppl really pay for garbage like free!. Japanese fans have been paying for garbage since 2006. |
Dubs>subs. Breaking Bad>Anime Comic books>manga 99% of Anime is Garbage |
Kerozinn said: wow ppl really pay for garbage like free!. the hate is strong on this one I just finished marathoning it and I don't think it was garbage at all I don't think guys are the targeted audience though, so I'm not surprised they won't like it |
Bananaguy said: ainky said: I read Porn Poko. What a dirty mind I have... holy shit same but it really is early in the morning for me. Madoka movies charting again great! I cant wait to see the third movie. . WHat kind of mind do we have guys? hahahha |
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jmal said: Haha yeah literally zero new anime releases. Not even a volume of Naruto or a DVD boxset of some obscure show or anything. Gonna be so dead next week. Interesting. I didn't think such a thing was even possible in this age of anime. Thresholds this week are going to be...amusing. |
| ^ True, but does it mean that everything popular after 2006 are garbage and everything popular before 2006 is not?? Besides if you want to talk about popularity of moe it predated even Haruhi. So how meaningful is 2006? Mod Edit: Quote tower modified. |
ThangLongNov 15, 2013 9:00 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
umashikaneko said: Actually late night anime was not even so common back then. The history of late night anime was young back in early 2000s. I would say instead of putting 2006 as some transformative year it is more like trend has been anime/manga/LN/game industry getting evolved to be more and more matching with the spending anime fans. Early 2000s saw a lot of trials and errors (and I still remember how bad some of the project turned out) and everyone got better at the targeting the consumers as the decade progressed.Before Haruhi, many latenight anime do not had much otaku culture air and had similar atmosphire to mainstream anime or manga. otaku like conversation and otaku oriented humor were rare even in late night anime befefore haruhi |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
MajinSaga said: You forgot to add "I started watching anime in 2006".Kerozinn said: wow ppl really pay for garbage like free!. Japanese fans have been paying for garbage since 2006. |
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| Madoka! Sell! Sell more! You can reach Nanoha! Would be awesome if both shows sold the same, it's possible. |
rederoin said: So now Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio is the only anime ranked in the top 100 on stalker. It sure shows how badly Autumn is doing in sales. Summer all over again with the fluctuating rankings that make the stock market look like it's stable and disappointment in the sales department all around. |
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Hoppy said: rederoin said: So now Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio is the only anime ranked in the top 100 on stalker. It sure shows how badly Autumn is doing in sales. Summer all over again with the fluctuating rankings that make the stock market look like it's stable and disappointment in the sales department all around. Summer still did far better though, with 4 V1's above 10k(5 above 9.5k), one of which was above 30k and another above 40k |
| Any of you guys think that it's odd that Infinite Stratos 2 released its first volume something like 2 months before the rest of the other Autumn series? |
SatelliteCannon said: That's because v1 was first listed as OVA and it's extended version of ep 01. v2 and following will be normal.Any of you guys think that it's odd that Infinite Stratos 2 released its first volume something like 2 months before the rest of the other Autumn series? |
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rederoin said: * 21,107 / * 20,967 ★ (***, 318 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [BD] * 25,833 / * 25,511 ○ (***, 151 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [DVD] Coppelion sure is doing amazing. At least the anime is amazing. |
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VioLink said: rederoin said: * 21,107 / * 20,967 ★ (***, 318 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [BD] * 25,833 / * 25,511 ○ (***, 151 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [DVD] Coppelion sure is doing amazing. At least the anime is amazing. With no chance in hell for a 2nd season. Just when it started getting good ;_; |
rederoin said: I once had some expectation about the anime given what I read in the manga, but unfortunately watching the anime I got increasingly bored. Bored by the story, bored by the art and animation, bored by the pacing and direction, bored by the character design. Only the OP and ED appeal to me (though I have to put aside the feeling that the OP is an OP for season 2 of K first). I believe the story got much better after the crazy sisters came but I think by now it is way too late to save the show. Alarmingly a lot of the most popular anime blogs in Japan included the show at the beginning and vast majority of them have now stopped reporting on this show, meaning the show is dropped by those bloggers. It is now vying with Meganebu to be the bottom of this cour. I would say Meganebu is more likely to get the bottom prize though the Stalker estimate has its sales higher than Coppelion, which I suspect is the result of it being hit by repeated waves of order trolling.VioLink said: With no chance in hell for a 2nd season.rederoin said: At least the anime is amazing.* 21,107 / * 20,967 ★ (***, 318 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [BD] * 25,833 / * 25,511 ○ (***, 151 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [DVD] Coppelion sure is doing amazing. Just when it started getting good ;_; Xinception said: I think the sales estimate is pointing towards 6k. It started very high in Amazon but it was due to a lot of pent-up demand as it was solicited really late, and its ranking has now settled in the lower 200s to early 300s, shooting up when a new episode is aired. The ranking is a bit lower than I had thought, so while before I was thinking 6-7k estimate it is now more like 5-6k .How about StB? From your post, I'm sure that I'll be fine after hearing a confirmation about their current statuses from a more knowledge-able forumite, but what about StB? |
symbvNov 16, 2013 7:38 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
VioLink said: I think you may be the first person iv heard say thatrederoin said: * 21,107 / * 20,967 ★ (***, 318 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [BD] * 25,833 / * 25,511 ○ (***, 151 pt) 2013/11/27 COPPELION v1 [DVD] Coppelion sure is doing amazing. At least the anime is amazing. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Xinception said: Yeah, I read that earlier post you made but I could not comment on it because it is not easy to even find comments by the manga readers about the show these days (in Japan of course). The show is seriously at risk of turning into an "air show", that is, a show that is not talked about and nobody is sure who is watching it.But I'm just hoping that the anime doesn't wade away new waves of people interested in the manga. I know that the manga readers won't abandon the series just because of the anime, but the people who has just watched the anime without reading the manga beforehand might be put off by this. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Hahalollawl said: Yes, false orders were put in, causing the ranking to jump artificially high, and then the orders were cancelled. I think I have at least two occasions where I suspected order trolling hit Meganebu. Not sure if there have been more... I have a few questions if you don't mind. Order trolling involves ordering and cancelling/never actually paying for it right? Hahalollawl said: From my past observation of the ranking pattern and how it changes over time for titles in many past cours, by now (mid-point of series) it is almost impossible to turn around a show though some minor improvement is of course still possible. Popularity of a show and general size of audience (hence number of potential buyers) more or less take shape by ep.3 or 4. Though for a 2-cour series it is possible for the line to shift a bit later. And any real significant boost, or a boost that gave rise to a powerful momentum that moves the sales estimate to another tier, almost always happen within the first third or so of the series, like ep.3 of Girls und Panzer for example.Also, in light of your comment about it being too late for Coppelion, would you say that at this point opinions are pretty much crystallized with regard to this season's (fall) shows, and therefore shows that haven't sold well so far are not likely to do so in the future? Or is it possible that there are a significant number of people watching shows that they haven't bought but that they could still be convinced to buy? On a similar note, what is the latest most significant boost in sales you've seen that didn't involve a new extra (event ticket, ova, or whatever)? I believe the reason is that in the early part people are still setting their expectation and opinion about the show but once the view is formed any boost is likely to involve only the potential buyers at the margin who already like the show enough but still looking for something to convince them that it is indeed a show they want to own, and the number of such people would be a lot limited compared to the number of people still forming opinion and adjusting their expectation in the early part of the series. So any boost in later part is more like minor course adjustment instead of any game-changing burst. One minor exception to what I said above is the ending boost. There are indeed quite many people who would hold back from buying the discs because they want to see if the ending is a good one for them. So boost from a good ending can provide quite a bit more ooze in terms of sales estimate but still it would not be a game-changer. Some examples of titles getting good ending boost include Love Live and Gargantia. Also to note is that if vol.1 has already been released before the ending is aired then any ending boost would not be reflected in the vol.1 sales statistics (because any boost does not show up since vol.1 is no longer charted). |
symbvNov 16, 2013 9:20 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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