Intelligent and religious?

eldest said:
the prerequisite of being religious in most cases is believing in a magical sky man in various incarnations and other absurd bullshit.

hence the statement.
comprende?

eldest said:


the prerequisite of being religious in most cases is believing in a magical sky man in various incarnations and other absurd bullshit.

hence the statement.
comprende?

MaedhrostheTall said:
guys.

stop making threads about religion.

seriously.

just stop.

dankickyou said:


All those scientist and intellectuals from Classical Greece and Rome, the medieval golden age of the Islamic world, European scholars of the Early modern period, the Chinese scientists, philosophers, and inventors from their 2000 year history, and modern intellectuals who have religious beliefs. Yeah chumps all of them. If only they were more like eldest a shining example of intellectualism.

EDIT: Or even better Penn Jillete, the guy cant even get facts right in his own damn show.

eldest said:


and everyone else that doesn't fall in that category. i.e most of the intelligent human population.
i forgot, since these people are well known, if they are religious that makes the belief true right?

you moron.
you must be religious too, that explains it. no more contemplating some of the stupid shit you say :)

eldest said:

you moron.
you must be religious too, that explains it. no more contemplating some of the stupid shit you say :)

eldest said:

you moron.
you must be religious too, that explains it. no more contemplating some of the stupid shit you say :)

eldest said:

and everyone else that doesn't fall in that category. i.e most of the intelligent human population.
i forgot, since these people are well known, if they are religious that makes the belief true right?

you moron.
you must be religious too, that explains it. no more contemplating some of the stupid shit you say :)

you can have fun here arguing the invisible sky daddy here all you want, this thread is pointless just like every other one, and from common knowledge and experience, a religious person will [i[never admit theyre wrong, even in the face of the entire field of science. youre no exception, have fun trying to change peoples views on your bedtime stories.

dankickyou said:


This is a thread asking for intellectuals who have religious beliefs right? Oh yeah it is. OH SNAP!

eldest said:


quotes the end of the paragraph
ignores the rest of the statement.
all 3 of you.
proves what im saying nicely :)

dankickyou said:
eldest always results to insults right away when he cant argue. When I owned him in the Disney vs anime animation quality argument, he pretty much fired insults all day without a trace of intelligent argument.

eldest said:


quote the part where i said their weren't any, read carefully this time :)

Edefrem said:
It's funny you say that when your little addon afterwards was just as condescending.

Besides, what you say is what you say, no matter "where I quote from"

dankickyou said:

Strawman argument. You were bringing up pedestrians who have religious beliefs which have nothing to do with this thread.
Intellectuals=Scientist, philosophers, inventors, dankickyou, and scholars.
Pedestrian= plebeians, peasants, slaves and eldest

eldest said:


quote mining son

eldest said:


yeah man, totally owned everyone in that thread claiming disney was the pinnacle of animation right?
right?
it wasnt like you were the only one claiming that in a thread of over 100 people posting

BloodRequiem said:
There are a lot of religious scientists.

eldest said:
should change the thread title to 'oxymoron, the thread'

eldest said:


yes, technically you may be right in some cases
but as a safe general observation, 'intelligent religious person' is an oxymoron

dankickyou said:


Anyone who had any sort of argument were mostly supporting Disney, the majority of those choosing anime only had 1 liners and insults without any arguments or analysis. Just like you.

Edefrem said:
It wasn't out of context, your whole claim was logical but a bit narcissistic. I was just emphasizing the part where you sounded like a 5 year old while ignoring everyhing else posted, hence, quotemining.

Be a man and own up your shit?

I mean, do you even lift?

eldest said:
if anyone would read what i posted (which is a rare occurrence when dealing with religious people, so ill quote it


i never said there arent any intelligent religious people, but to claim religious people in general, as this thread and dankickyou so painfully demonstrate is foolish.
better takes some more posts out of context again kids.

dankickyou said:

I already proved that it isnt an oxymoron because most intellectuals throughout
history had religious beliefs. no you didnt, you didnt list anyone
eldest, wat r u doing?, eldest, STAHP

eldest said:

the funny part is he actually beleives that.
seriously

Edefrem said:
ELDEST.
NO ONE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY IF YOU KEEP SPEWING CHILDISH INSULTS.
STAHP IT!

dankickyou said:
I love how your own quote bites your self in the foot. "but as a safe general observation, 'intelligent religious person' is an oxymoron" But the majority of intellectuals through history were religious Herp a Derp

eldest said:


such as? im waiting
give me some names like i did for my side of the argument in my previous post.

eldest said:


youve ignored everything posted, you quoted mined 1 post, no one, not even the laughable dankickyou is even paying attention to you, go sit in your corner.

eldest said:

list of famous intelligent athiests.
Carl Sagan, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Paine, Ayn Rand, Isaac Asimov, Thomas Edison, Abraham Lincoln, Oscar Wilde, Ernest Hemingway, Friedrich Nietzsche, Noam Chomsky, Kurt Vonnegut
here too

Trapalicious said:
To be fair, practically everyone in the past was religious, so it doesn't exactly "count" per say.

Now that we have a much deeper understanding than we've ever had on the universe, and just how things flow in general. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that the ignorance of such information at least says a little of someone's intelligence. Of course when no one new better, then it would have been perfectly understandable.

eldest said:

such as? im waiting
give me some names like i did for my side of the argument in my previous post.

dankickyou said:
COPY & PASTE:
All those scientist and intellectuals from Classical Greece and Rome, the medieval golden age of the Islamic world, European scholars of the Early modern period, the Chinese scientists, philosophers, and inventors from their 2000 year history, and modern intellectuals who have religious beliefs. Yeah chumps all of them. If only they were more like eldest a shining example of intellectualism.

EDIT: Or even better Penn Jillete, the guy cant even get facts right in his own damn show.

LEARN TO READ PEOPLES POSTS PLEASE

dankickyou said:
I was just showing that having religious background doesnt limit your intelligence,!

Not_Biased said:
Religion is the best thing for society. How could you say that?

eldest said:

i asked you to list some names.
can you read?
and before you start, you listed 1 name, names is plural. i listed more than 50. your not giving any factual base to your claims, stop trying to meme spout to avoid whats being posted. you like doing that.



whats your excuse then?

Hapax said:

Listing intelligent atheist just prove there is no correlation.
>It's not an oxymoron

dankickyou said:


You list names I listed freaking epochs of intellectuals. Ok, Ibn Sina.



Also appeal to authority fallacy. lol

eldest said:

youve simply said different classes of people were religious, with no proof, and no examples whatsoever besides your own deluded, unproven opinion.
learn how an argument works and try again, i can replace what you said with 'non religious' instead of religious and it would hold just as much water.

try again

dankickyou said:


now you really clawing at straws. All those scientist that did exist, yeah they didnt cause eldest said so. Ok, here is some scientist who advanced medicine from just one time and cultural epoch and one field.

Abu-Ali al-Husayn ibn Abdalah ibn-Sina, Ali ibn al-'Abbas al-Majusi, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi, Ibn al-Nafis,

eldest said:

i never said they didnt exist, im asking for you to prove they were religious. and as shown here, my original generalization of religious intelligence oxymoron holds true, since you can barely name any, hence why i expliately called it a 'safe generalization' and regardless, moreso than ever in this current day and age does what i said hold truth.

dankickyou said:

LOL i just named 4 great minds from just a single field, epoch, and culture. I can pretty much find any intellectual from before 1800s and there is a 99% chance he/she is religious. You come to faux conclusions in an attempt to seem smarter. Dont do it. STAHP.

trapalicious said:
To be fair, practically everyone in the past was religious, so it doesn't exactly "count" per say.

Now that we have a much deeper understanding than we've ever had on the universe, and just how things flow in general. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that the ignorance of such information at least says a little of someone's intelligence. Of course when no one knew better, then it would have been perfectly understandable.

eldest said:


see


and i named just as many great minds that werent.

as the above quote shows, its not really a fair comparison to make today because religion was accepted not out of ignorance, but lack of better knowledge.

now if we see the great minds of today, the vast majority of them are most certainly not religious, and we just need to look on the local news to see what the religious people are getting up to.

dankickyou said:
They were limited by the current advancement of human knowledge, just like intellectuals today will be limited compared to those in the future. I was just showing that having religious background doesnt limit your intelligence, creativity, etc

dankickyou said:
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appeal to trapilicious authority fallacy. Its not an oxymoron, mathematics agreed. Dont bother him about it. That Leonardo da Vinci fellow was a real dumbass, he believed in God. If only he was as smart and talented as eldest.

Trapalicious said:


Unlike in the time period that those figures came from, where little was understood, Religion is now making factual statements on things we fully understand. Yet we still have an abundant amount of people accepting these false claims as fact. That is the important difference.

Of course, I'm not going to go down whatchamacallit's name, by stating that the entire thing is an oxymoron. I don't think it's fair to compare figures from such old time periods though.

amichaaan said:


Are you serious? I really don't want to want to get into a debate about religion, as we all know they go nowhere, but I might have to. Religion's like christianity and islam are the worst things for society.
Your arguement (in a nutshell) is that religion is the best thing for society because it makes us better people, and that religious people help others?
I thought you were pretty clued up, but I'm starting to question your intelligence.

Trapalicious said:
Now that we have a much deeper understanding than we've ever had on the universe, and just how things flow in general. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that the ignorance of such information at least says a little of someone's intelligence. Of course when no one knew better, then it would have been perfectly understandable.

Post-Josh said:

Just as I trust someone with a strong sense of logic to teach me about science, I trust someone with a strong sense of "feelings" to teach me about spirituality, or whatever secular term you wish to use. There is no reason for this to be the case, there just exists an unfounded belief that logic and spirituality are in binary opposition. I think it is short-sighted to say that one has more authority than the other on the question of God's existence.