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j0x said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- what the fuck? Juha Bach is Ichigo's real father? lol I never see that coming... darth vader anyone? xD |
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j0x said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- what the fuck? Juha Bach is Ichigo's real father? lol i think i got an idea of whats happening now, Ichigo's real mother and father are quincies and then when Soul Society massacre the quincies by that time Ichigo was still a baby and that he was taken care of some Shinigami who took care of him as a normal human and hide the fact (the shinigami's keep it secret) that he was a quincy that doesnt explain how ichigo had shinigami powers of his own though. I think its more like ichigo's mother is a qunicy and juha bach is her father, making juha bach ichigo's maternal grandfather, and making ichigo his "son". |
| More a spiritual son than a true son. Ichigo's mother might be born in the same family of Juha Bach. |
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| this is all too much for my head right now....................... !!! love it still |
-Sakuya-Izayoi-Oct 30, 2012 12:40 AM
| "Im feeling it tonight roflcopterskatesbbq" |
| .. i don't think they mean that darth vander is the father of ichigo, i think 'son' refered to the thing that he has quinshi blood in him. so he is just half quinshi and half shinigami and now his quinshi half starts to awake. i think that ichigos mum and dad met in the war and fell in love ... and then just eloped togehter maybe that explaines how he knows uryuus dad but come on ... next time ichigo will be half ninja, half magician, half vampire and half super saiyan and then he'll digitate to ichihollowqhinmon |
| Not a shocking revelation. |
j0x said: batossai said: that doesnt explain how ichigo had shinigami powers of his own though. err Rukia gave most of her Shinigami powers to Ichigo if you remember that yes rukia did give him shinigami powers but he lost them when bykuya attacked him and severed his soul chain, remember he had to go training with kisuke to awaken his own powers right before infiltrating the soul society. |
| I hope he simply means that he is from his mothers bloodline, them changing Isshin as Ichigo's father would be stupid imo. |
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| So Jura bach is Ichigo's real father!? Hmm, guess we have to wait and see here. |
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| Just so everyone knows, Juha Bach isn't Ichigo's father, it's Isshin. At the very least, Juha Bach would be his grandfather. It's nice to know Aizen hasn't lost his badassery. I'm hoping to see him team-up with Ichigo in the near future. |
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| hmmm I mostly think that Juha Bach is ichigo's grandfather then his dad because ichigo's shinigami powers that he had of his own it makes more sense that way |
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| Once again Aizen is the best thing about a Bleach chapter. Bring the guy back already. |
Connybaum2 said: but come on ... next time ichigo will be half ninja, half magician, half vampire and half super saiyan and then he'll digitate to ichihollowqhinmon It has been 15 minutes already and I'm still laughing at this comment. It's so damn true :D So, if Ichigo's mom was a quincy, then why did she die so easily when a hollow attacked? Or what really happened that day? |
j0x said: batossai said: j0x said: batossai said: that doesnt explain how ichigo had shinigami powers of his own though. err Rukia gave most of her Shinigami powers to Ichigo if you remember that yes rukia did give him shinigami powers but he lost them when bykuya attacked him and severed his soul chain, remember he had to go training with kisuke to awaken his own powers right before infiltrating the soul society. im neutral about this now, i just read about Rukia giving her powers to Ichigo on Wikia and it stated there that Ichigo rather than acquiring it he absorbs the shinigami powers instead, im not gonna be surprise if he mutated by mixing his own quincy powers to the shinigami+hollow+fullbring powers, so from this chapter alone Ichigo's original power are that of a quincy as explained by Juha Bach, it makes sense with the absorbing of shinigami powers from Rukia, but like i said im neutral about this now just read chapter 56, ichigo loses the powers he gains from rukia, after that point the power rukia gave him never played a role in him being a shinigami. For the rest of the manga when he transformed into a shinigami it was out of his own inherent ability not rukia's |
nelieLgiz said: Connybaum2 said: but come on ... next time ichigo will be half ninja, half magician, half vampire and half super saiyan and then he'll digitate to ichihollowqhinmon It has been 15 minutes already and I'm still laughing at this comment. It's so damn true :D So, if Ichigo's mom was a quincy, then why did she die so easily when a hollow attacked? Or what really happened that day? We don't know if that is Ichigo's birth mother. Hell, his real mother might even be still alive. |
| Holy crap this chapter was good! Bach is Ichigo's grandfather maybe? Also Aizen better step up for some screentime soon! |
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| So Kurosaki Ishin is shinigami and Ichigo's mather is quincy that make Bach is his granfater. Anyone Yu Yu Hakusho? |
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j0x said: lucariogx said: I never see that coming... darth vader anyone? xD yep and im not gonna be surprise if Ichigo's real mother was killed by Soul Society i edited my previous post to say my speculations Juha Bach being Ichigo's father doesn't make sense. Soul Society killing Ichigo's mother doesn't also make sense. Except if they altered Isshin's memories. Not to mention there's also Urahara. Im pretty sure what he meant by "son" is the blood of quincy within him. Nice chapter! Now it explains why Ishida's father and Isshin are close friends. I wonder if the son of a Shinigami and a Quincy had a chance to become a hollow because of the mixing of reiatsu. Maybe that's why they didn't co-exist? :o |
| Ichigo is Isshin's son because of the similar Getsugas. The end. I wonder what's stopping Juha Bach from dragging Ichigo back though. Ichigo is absolutely out of his league here [again], but nooooo, you want to let him recover and train before facing him again. *face palm* |
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| Now that there are clues that Juha Bach is Ichigo's father... Doesnt Juha Bach looks like Zangetsu? |
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| Bach can't be Ichigos father. Why would Ichigo have the same shinigami powers as Isshin then? And the speculation that Ichigos mother was a quency was from a long long time ago, and because she was a quency (and had a intimate relationship with a shinigami) she and Ishin got stripped of their powers and banned to earth. Though Isshin is a mysterious person. Nobody of the "younger" generation in soul society seemed to even try to guess who is this "Kurosaki" when Ichigo came. So if Isshin was stripped of his powers just 20 years ago and he seemed to be a captain (or at least a very high officer) maybe he was from the royal guard (maybe even he was in the original Yamamotos squad before that, though that's far fetched) The question then is, why would a quency be in the same place as a member of the royal guard? Also why would Aizen say his mother was human? I'm sure he knew better. And did Yamamoto not know Ichigo was part quency or did he just decide to not acknowledge that fact, because even in his thoughts he referred to Ichigo as human. Too many questions... WHY THE HELL IS KOMAMURA THE ONLY ANIMAL/HUMAN PERSON IN THE WHOLE BLEACH UNIVERSE? |
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| Don't be naive, by son he means he's part Quincy, nothing more, nothing less. If Juha ends up being Ichigo's father then the series, while looking like getting back to something like its best, will have descended into lameness that it almost hadn't yet, apart from making Aizen a butterfly and the whole Fullbring arc. I find this whole Ichigo being part Quincy very disappointing. I mean, the main character is always somebody special, but for fuck sake making him every God damn type of "race" in the series is too damn over the top. Shinigami, Hollow and now Quincy? GTFO. Oh well, it's not like I'm going to drop the series or anything, hopefully the story behind Ichigo's mother is interesting at least. And we still need to find out the deal about Isshin too! Hopefully all will be reveled in one hit, like with Naruto finding out about his parents. |
| So this makes Ichigo what, part human, part shinigami, part hollow/arrancar, part fullbringer, part Quincy? It's like Tite Kubo couldn't figure out what gimmick to go with |
Arashi89 said: Kubo just pull off a *Luke i am your father* is this shit for reals lol?. |
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grandy_UiD said: Once again Aizen is the best thing about a Bleach chapter. Bring the guy back already. Totally agreed with this, hopefully an appearance soon. I still think Isshin is Ichigo's real father, maybe Juha Bach had some relation to his mother. Maybe his mother had an affair with Juha Bach. Also did this chapter release one day early? |
SexySantaOct 30, 2012 2:52 AM
| Yeah, hearing what Aizen did brought a big smile to my face after the lame revelation about Ichigo's mother. Hopefully he has some awesome role left in the show. It'll be interesting to see what is done with him. |
j0x said: Ichigo is a evolved quincy, and quincies abilities is to "absorb" powers, evolve that more and its not far-fetch to think that when Soul society massarcred the Quincies they saw baby Ichigo on the aftermath and Isshin tried to kill him but instead baby Ichigo with his LATENT evolved quincy "absorbing" abilities just absorb getsuga tenshou of Isshinl That makes zero sense. The massacre happened 200 years ago. But let's forget that. You're saying Isshin shot a getsuga at a BABY, failed, decided to raise him instead and got his powers stripped and banned to earth for it, found his mother and took her with him but not before she got her powers stripped too? Actually what I'm thinking now is that the woman Ichigo remembers might not be his real mother but just a normal human Isshin picked up on earth. |
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| So that would be it about Ichigo "saving" SS, he looked really lame the whole chapter. I wonder how it correlates to guesses that he's the strongest Shinigami now. Oh well ;]. Aizen stoppping YB and saving SS is a bit of ironic. So yeah, it looks like now Ichigo would want answers. It's not like HE SHOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS AFTER FAKE KARAKURA ARC but decided to trust a total stranger. Oh, if YB really turns out to be Ichigo father it won't surprise me. Kubo changing things from the past isn't nothing new. |
PutyOct 30, 2012 3:10 AM
grandy_UiD said: Once again Aizen is the best thing about a Bleach chapter. Bring the guy back already. +1 once people read Bleach for a 10th-dary character - it means that it's gone to the dogs. Bring the end in already! |
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| Wait what?! Juha Bach is Ichigo's real father? What the hell LOL! So Ichigo's mother was a quincy, but Issshin isn't his actual father? Geez, Kubo's got some explaining to do, somewhat confused/trolled at the moment. Aizen being mentioned was great. Hope he returns and kick ass again. Awesome chapter overall. :P Side note: chapter came out early today! :D |
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| It makes no sense if Juha is Ichigo's father. We learned quite a lot in this chapter but I have my problems with the translation, I will wait for Mangastream. |
| Yeah MangaPanda always leaves me confused. |
| I think that they are somewhat related by Ichigo's mother but no I don't believe he's the father at all. Throughout the whole show it has been emphasized greatly he is half human and half Shinigami. (Excluding the Vizard part of him and all.) In fact that would screw around with a few of the things in the story. I think it's best to just wait and see what exactly is the connection here. It makes sense for it to be Isshin since it seems like they tried severing ties from the spiritual world to try and live a normal life, since Shinigamis and quincies were against each other so much. If you think about it, it's kind of like Romeo and Juliet, only they had kids, and didn't die a tragic death together. Also shouldn't jump to conclusions that "how did Ichigo's mom die then if she was a quincy?!" Just because she had quincy blood does not mean she trained to become a quincy like the others have. She may have possibly knew everything but just stood on the sidelines, trying to avoid combat. This is just speculation though. |
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