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akutasame94 said: Raikozen said: Pretty good chapter, was expecting more, still didn't explain why Kakashi killed Rin. But it seems like she's definitely a traitor/spy. prism2525 said: akutasame94 said: Zhou said: Damn, Kishimoto is answering all those questions right away in a pretty damn good way, Obito went berserk with his Mangekyou and the mokuton. It's definitely Rin and something is hidden in her body, not sure about her being a spy. Hōgyoku xD Oh hell no! So is Madara Aizen in disguise? Just the perfect way to troll everyone Damn how epic that would be... xD I mean really :P That would be amazing, Kishi and Tite Kubo have been planning for years to bring Aizen out in both Mangas, then maybe a Naruto character may make an appearance in Bleach. Aizen's shikai would totally annihilate everyone though. It would make Naruto extremely entertaining |
| Awesome chapter! Obito just did his personal rampage! A lot of blood. Nice! :) Cant wait to know why kakashi killed rin, afterall |
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| I think now it's almost confirmed possibility that Rin was a spy and knew lot more about hidden mist plans. That's why they wanted to retrieve her body on any cost. Obito will autopsy on her and learn all details and that's how he turned against the world. He didn't take revenge on Kakashi all this time because he knows it was not his fault. The reason he reminded him about Rin death was to tell him that this world can't be saved and you know it. The only way to save it is moon eye plan. I really hope story will take this turn in next chapter. It will make lot more sense than he turned bad guy just because of Rin's death and she was not a spy/traitor. |
Han-yuuOct 10, 2012 7:12 AM
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Han-yuu said: I think it's almost confirmed that Rin was a spy How? Everyone here is saying this but the info we got this chapter is WAY too vague to come to this conclusion. Personally I got the impression that it's something special about her body that has to be protected from falling into the Mist's hand. Of course the spy theory could still be true, but I don't see how this chapter gave us any real proof of that. |
| In my opinion, nothing interesting happened in this chapter. Most of pages was about Obito killing some unknown guys |
Uchihafan25 said: chris-yang said: Uchihafan25 said: GOD DAMN! Obito went HAM in this chapter! I don't think I've ever seen a more violent chapter in Naruto! It's interesting how Kakashi had his Mangekyou the whole time but just never realized it. Kinda like how Sasuke awakened his Sharingan when Itachi killed of the Uchiha clan, but didn't remember. We still didn't find out what Rin did to deserve the Chidori, she most have been under a genjutsu or something. Or she could've just always have been a traitor! That would be unexpected. Anyway, berserker Obito FTMFW! lol. bolded: wait, did that really happen? Chapter 403 "Tears" pg. 11. Check it out whenever you have some time. Avenir said: Chris, yeah. Sasuke got his Sharingan when Itachi killed everyone. For this chapter, Kakashi got his MS 14 years ago. Ok. ok, went to that chapter and page, you guys are right... cant believe i missed that thanks :D |
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grandy_UiD said: Han-yuu said: I think it's almost confirmed possiblity that Rin was a spy How? Everyone here is saying this but the info we got this chapter is WAY too vague to come to this conclusion. Personally I got the impression that it's something special about her body that has to be protected from falling into the Mist's hand. Of course the spy theory could still be true, but I don't see how this chapter gave us any real proof of that. My mistake in first post... Yes. the hints were vague but i think it's almost possibility after reading this chapter. Everyone knows Kakashi is not the type of guy who will kill someone without a good reason, so killing her just because she can end up in mist hands doesn't look like something he would do. He will try to protect her just like they are all doing in this war to protect Naruto and Bee. And it's does not look like genjutsu or any other trap. So most probably kakashi killed her for good reason. And Obito who went berserk because of her death, never came after him to take revenge. BUT now that i read it second time. I think there is another possibility. They knew something and kakashi was probably ordered to kill her if they get into trouble. So maybe he did his job and that's why Obito changed completely. He didn't came after him personally and tried to take his revenge on konoha with Kyuubi. Now he's trying to change the world completely because until there are leaders like that on top, there is always someone suffering and no other way to save it. |
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| Theory I posted on NF As we saw in the previous chapter, Kakashi was crying; he had a darn good reason for killing her, no doubt. In Kakashi Gaiden, we seen that saw that Rin is an easy target for capture, and enemies will not hesitate to capture her to acquire whatever information they seek. Her inability to protect herself almost jeopardized not only the entire mission, but it would of caused a significant set-back in the war Even when the mist ninja are getting overwhelmed by Obito, they are more concerned about the enemy getting their hands on Rin's corpse. Kakashi killing Rin obviously screwed up whatever plan they had in mind. Why on earth is even Rin's corpse so darn important? That is something we'll probably find out in due time but killing Rin might've been a mutual decision to protect the livelihood of their village. So Rin might've wanted Kakashi to kill her for the village's sake. Not only this, but Kakashi and Rin were surrounded by a large number of Jounin/Anbu Are all those really necessary to handle Kakashi/Rin? I know Kakashi is good, but he was only a child at the time who wasn't good enough to handle all of them at the same time. Rin was very, very valuable to them for some reason. Even her corpse.... That being said, she does look kind of shocked here. While it's true Kakashi did awaken his Mangekyo Sharingan after killing Rin; he fainted right after that, it's likely that he had no idea he had awakned the MS until later on. Not only this, but Kakashi isn't an Uchiha, so the mental/physical strain was probably too much for his body to handle. Even using the regular Sharingan for a short while would mess up Kakashi in early P1. And people are expecting him to use the MS like that? lol |
| Excuse me for double posting, but you guys should check this thread out http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=502387 |
| I think Kakashi obtaining the Mangekyou after killing Rin ruins the timeline! Why didn't Kakashi use it more often? plus the Uchihas are just OP :L |
| -Hunter nins dispose of the body of their deceased allies or their own rogue ninjas ANYWAY so as to avoid battle info concerning their village. That alone confirms that Rin was a spy. Don't pry too much on that line about the body as if it is an actual clue for some kind of hidden power that Rin had inside her(or sth like that). Brutal chapter, good for Obito but I hope there is even more stuff that forced him into depression. I think that Obito's past is among the most well-handled in Naruto. Kishi must love him and has prepared a lot for him. I trust him in this one. |
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keionbuxboii said: I think Kakashi obtaining the Mangekyou after killing Rin ruins the timeline! Why didn't Kakashi use it more often? plus the Uchihas are just OP :L The dude fainted right after awakening it; not only this, but we seen the strain the regular Sharingan causes an early part 1 Kakashi. He might've not known that he had awakned about it until later on in the story. If a even younger Kakashi attempted to use the MS, he might even die after one use lol Kanic said: -Hunter nins dispose of the body of their deceased allies or their own rogue ninjas ANYWAY so as to avoid battle info concerning their village. That alone confirms that Rin was a spy. Don't pry too much on that line about the body as if it is an actual clue for some kind of hidden power that Rin had inside her(or sth like that). I don't think it 100% confirms she was a spy. I mean, would all of the Jounin be needed for just Rin/Kakashi? But you brought up some very good points. |
| Nice action, but no explanation.... C'mon kishi step yo gameeeee up |
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| how did obito go from someone who was a hindrance on his team to someone who is suddenly "chosen"? |
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gillbobjones said: how did obito go from someone who was a hindrance on his team to someone who is suddenly "chosen"? Probably the same way Naruto did. ;] Though I don't like the pace of these recent chapters. |
| twilight shit.....ooooaaaaaghhhuuuahhhh, she can't handle the pregnancy so u killed her, what magic is this kakashi-scum?! kishimoto trying to make obito look kewl...well, I'm not buying it, he's still a pussy in my eyes. aside from that a pretty awesome as in bloody chapter :D me gusta that Kakashi had the balls to off Rin after all the time they spent together wonder what next ch will bring about....it could be the last flashback ch |
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| I am actually not very happy with all the romantic drama in Naruto... Rin, Sakura blah blah... Let's have some blood!!! Loved the wood technique pick-like attack that obito did with the spiral dude's help. I still dislike him, though. Even if it's for the simple fact that he used Madara's name with his silly little cowardly body. He's just showing that he has no control - nothing to be in awe about. Lost control because his childish self saw his best friend supposedly killing his girlfriend. |
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| I'm more into the idea that there was something in Rin that the enemy wanted rather than she's being a traitor. I think pretty much Kakashi thought killing Rin by his hand was better than letting her got caught, and they were in a hopeless fight too, so perhaps he couldn't think of any other way. I am really curious as what the real reason would be. |
| I was surprised by the bloodiness. And my interest for Naruto is back :) |
| That was insane :D really liked how bloody chapter was, we don't get much of chapters like this in Naruto.Great way to use Mokuton btw. Good one, i want more.What will happen now? 5/5 |
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| Soooo...about those Experimental bodies and wanting to retrieve Rin's corpse... I think Rin is a biological clone or something and she was sent as a spy to Konoha...almost like Kabuto...excebt that he's not cloned or anything |
| Maybe Obito's eye developed only because it's connected to Kakashi. Kakashi has Obito's original eye (power transferred?). |
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| Obito was pretty brutal in this one. But it is disappointing that Obito's turn to the dark side was so easily predicted about it being Rin's death. |
shakeyourpup45 said: Maybe Obito's eye developed only because it's connected to Kakashi. Kakashi has Obito's original eye (power transferred?). Obito got the Mangekyo sharingan because Obito has the Hashirama Senju's cells, because Obito is a half Zetsu clone who merged with another Zetsu clone. Kakashi got the Mangekyo sharingan because he killed Rin. |
| So that's how he got his mangekyo. I was curious about that. |
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KingofConquerors said: well, that was surprisingly bloody...it felt too brief though, and i was expecting that Obito and Kakshi would confront each other on the battlefield...but i still don't change my opinion, Obito's transformation was too forced and still a big giant asspull.... how could you expect to see them confront each other when now in present kakashi tought obito was dead and obito just revealed his identity?do you even have a brain? |
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TetraSlash said: Even when the mist ninja are getting overwhelmed by Obito, they are more concerned about the enemy getting their hands on Rin's corpse. Kakashi killing Rin obviously screwed up whatever plan they had in mind. Why on earth is even Rin's corpse so darn important? That is something we'll probably find out in due time but killing Rin might've been a mutual decision to protect the livelihood of their village. So Rin might've wanted Kakashi to kill her for the village's sake. Not only this, but Kakashi and Rin were surrounded by a large number of Jounin/Anbu. Are all those really necessary to handle Kakashi/Rin? I know Kakashi is good, but he was only a child at the time who wasn't good enough to handle all of them at the same time. Rin was very, very valuable to them for some reason. Even her corpse.... Although the thought's not new, the way you said it does suggest some possibilities which I had not thought of. Perhaps Rin's body had some extremely valuable information or tool which the hidden Rain desperately wanted, and Rin realized it and wanted Kakashi to stop her... but then why the surprised face? Perhaps it was a seal or genjutsu which took over her mind and was only set free the moment Kakashi stabbed her? As for her body... whatever the reason is and why, we obviously don't know yet. Possibly Genjutsu or some form of implantation (like someone else above suggested with a nice Bleach joke haha)? Can't wait to find out~! |
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| So I guess in the last page Obito killed all the Mist foes and took their bodies and Rin's to his dimension. Perhaps Kakashi woke up confused and might have remembered about this and the mangekyo when he was training before using it against Deidara. I think we are going to have another flashback about how Rin became a spy(forced to?) |
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| Rin probably got brainwashed liked Kabuto's adoptive mum did back in his flashback and they were probably using her as some sort of shield or a way to try shackle kakashi. Or it could be boring and for some reason Kishimoto suddenly decided to make Rin special even though none of the readers even care about her and the fact he never built her character at all. |
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| We can deduce Rin might have been an spy or had some kind of important knowledge about something and that's why Kakashi had to kill her, maybe because she asked him to or because she was a traitor. Obito probably doesn't know shit, and I hope he doesn't because f he does and he STILL wants to kill Kakashi then he will be a fucking idiot, because i'm pretty sure Kakashi has a reason. AND we get to see how Kakashi awakened his sharingan, which was a really interesting way, btw. awesome chapter, now waiting for 606. |
| I need more answers! And ooh so Kakashi unknowingly unlocked his MS by killing Rin. |
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| There might be some interesting backstory here, but I still thought it was too much of a coincidence that Obito happened to reach Kakashi just in time for seeing him kill Rin. Just too bad that Rin is such an underdeveloped and generic character, like most of the female characters in this manga. And I also think that, for whatever reason, killing Rin was necessary, and she might even have agreed to it. This is a pretty generic shounen manga, after all. I also noticed that it was mentioned in chapter 603 that Madara's plan would lead to the possibility of making the dead come back to life, so maybe the hope of reviving Rin is what made Obito join Madara? EDIT: Wow, the theory in the post above is pretty interesting. |
This page also gives a little more towards her being a tailed beast. Obito thought it was rain... |
crazyspinzOct 11, 2012 12:34 AM
| Good to see things turning more violent in Jump recently. |
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Lana0605 said: In my opinion, nothing interesting happened in this chapter. Most of pages was about Obito killing some unknown guys I mostly agree. The only new things were the acquisition of the mangekyou by Obito and Kakashi and the information that the enemy wanted to capture Rin and that's related to why Kakashi killed her. @wakka: it's to celebrate JoJo's anime. |
| Oh no! Obito go psycho, shame he never had a moment like this when he was still with the leaf to temper him. Oh how he will fall! |
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| What i learned from naruto: Uchiha is just too OP LOL... Everything started because of a love story <3 |
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Shion97 said: This chapter just leaves with more questions than answers. I guess I will have to wait til next week. this and damn it we still don't why Kakashi killed Rin... |
| and Obito just getting that transportation jutsu and being so strong out of nowhere with no sense is kinda gay but whatever... it was still pretty awesome, and epic berserk! |
| needs more of those last 2 pages |
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| I guess that Rin was manipulated that Kakashi had no choice but to kill her... I really wanna know exactly what it is though. Can't wait to see Kakashi's explanation to this. And Obito... damn, created a bloodbath. This is the start of him, joining the dark side. |
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