Man convicted to 1 year in prison in Canada for having lolicon-like material on laptop.

Oct 26, 2011 3:35 PM

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anyone who claims that lolicon leads to pedophilia should be vehemently against any FPS video games because they lead to mass murder

Oct 26, 2011 3:48 PM

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This is bull shit all together. We have our rights as Americans to carry what we want, where we want. "A love of Japan and its comic books might get you locked up in North America." bunch of idiot those Candadians.

http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/play/how-japanese-manga-can-land-international-travelers-jail-333153

Fron wiki i got the following:-

Canadian law forbids the production, distribution, and possession of child pornography. Prohibitions cover visual representations of sexual activity by persons (real or imaginary) under the age of 18, depiction of their sexual organ/anal region for a sexual purpose, or any written material or visual representation that advocates child pornography offenses against a person under 18. There is an exception for material with artistic merit or an educational, scientific, or medical purpose. The law against simple possession of child pornography was declared void in British Columbia by a 1998 provincial court ruling but this decision was overturned two years later by the Canadian Supreme Court.[11] The high court further concluded that a "person" under the law could be either real or fictional and that the prohibition of written texts was potentially acceptable.[12][13] Cases have now been prosecuted in Canada involving anime and manga child pornography.[5]

The guy who is in jail...umm... he is toast. Too bad.

I think crime pays. The hours are good, you travel a lot.

Oct 26, 2011 4:50 PM

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DrewTheDoofus said:

Nobody will agree with you because everybody else on MAL probably has 500 GB of loli porn on their computers and is afraid of being arrested.

As much of a joke as I'd like to take that as - it's probably true in some cases here.

rteest said:
i draw almost everything from out of my head

Surely it's nothing a lolicon could fap to? Because if your profile picture is anything to go by (gathering you drew that), I wouldn't say it would be.

Oct 26, 2011 4:56 PM

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what would the great teacher do if were alive today

his ideals have not been passed on to the world its sad

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Oct 26, 2011 5:03 PM

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Akai-Ryuusei said:
what would the great teacher do if were alive today

his ideals have not been passed on to the world its sad

Not really sure how he is relates to this topic

But he would probably question the sexual preference of the Canadian officials
And most likely they'll think getting arouse by loli is disgusting

From what I learn about his teaching
If the government official abide by their own laws then there shouldn't be a problem

Oct 26, 2011 5:07 PM

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Jaconator said:

Akai-Ryuusei said:
what would the great teacher do if were alive today

his ideals have not been passed on to the world its sad

if the ruler does not a unanimous sapport of his masses then he has no right to rule

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back on topic this stnks of a nanny state to me this thing is worse than any ting ishihara is doing in japan by a long shot

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Oct 26, 2011 6:21 PM

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miiqbalmu said:
This is bull shit all together. We have our rights as Americans to carry what we want, where we want.

Those rights only apply in America. If you go to a different country you are expected to follow that country's laws.

It is bullshit though...

Oct 26, 2011 6:26 PM

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miiqbalmu said:
This is bull shit all together. We have our rights as Americans to carry what we want, where we want.

Even if it's guns and weapons in other countries, eh?

Oct 26, 2011 6:31 PM

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Forest-kun said:
I suppose I can see how liking lolicon material like that can lead to stuff like crimes associated with pedophilia or child pornography, but that can be said for any sort of animation, books, or even any entertainment. If that's the cause for his arrest, then that's just paranoia. It's not really fair or even closely justified.

Pedophilia isn't a crime. Child molestation is.

Oct 26, 2011 6:42 PM

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I suppose I can see how liking lolicon material like that can lead to stuff like crimes associated with pedophilia or child pornography

Yeah...

I can also see how playing GTA will lead to massive carjackings and murders...

Oct 26, 2011 8:38 PM

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Surely it's nothing a lolicon could fap to? Because if your profile picture is anything to go by (gathering you drew that), I wouldn't say it would be.

lol no. yes thats a portrait but i was just saying not all artists need reference material =)

Oct 27, 2011 7:37 AM

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Gogetters said:

miiqbalmu said:
This is bull shit all together. We have our rights as Americans to carry what we want, where we want.

Those rights only apply in America. If you go to a different country you are expected to follow that country's laws.

It is bullshit though...

That is not true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12757244

see what i mean... That Raymond Davis guy killed two people and was freed with Blood Money. Hilarious... Why can't we do the same in this case with the guy who is imprisoned in Canada?

I think crime pays. The hours are good, you travel a lot.

Oct 27, 2011 7:40 AM

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Jack_Rav said:

miiqbalmu said:
This is bull shit all together. We have our rights as Americans to carry what we want, where we want.

Even if it's guns and weapons in other countries, eh?

But as Americans we invade different countries and we have full support of our allies (European Union) even though it is against humanity & morals. The damn Canadians now have fucking morals over lolicon (images)??? Bunch of creeps.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12757244

here in Raymond Davis case we paid our way out. So, guns are no big deal if we can get away with murder.

I think crime pays. The hours are good, you travel a lot.

Oct 27, 2011 8:40 AM

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ironicatheist said:
"While stealing is not harm in the bodily sense, it still is a physical type of harm: ie: you stole their money, something tangible and measurable." how is that HARM? i mean if it DIDN'T cause them to starve to death, or not be able to eat for a day, or it didn't cause them to not pay a bill, then how are they being HARMED? i think your trying to say they got there rights violated, which doesn't mean harm necessarily... i could steal your teddy bear, how is that HARM?

Why are you still going on about stealing? You keep talking about digital means and switching to physical means. I already told you that copyright infringement is not stealing.

OK bobby-o where in that did i say COPYRIGHT infringement was stealing? i said that in the past but as soon as you pointed that out i dropped it... and it still doesn't disclude the fact COPYRIGHT infringement is WRONG and ILLEGAL...

Oct 27, 2011 9:02 AM

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@ironicatheist

1) Teddy Bear: It's trivial harm, but harm none the less. I had to work to pay for that bear, and if you were to take it, it is equivalent to taking the money value of that bear.

2) "the forfathers intents for the countries civilization was to be fair" which is why they allowed slavery? I could argue that slavery was beneficial for the inclusive society which is why said society would have had laws allowing it.

3)Punishment systems exist (or should) to reduce harm. You place a person in prison for several reasons:
i) To get him off the streets (to prevent him from harming others)
ii) To rehabilitate the person (attempt to prevent future harm)
iii) to act as a deterrence (for others who might cause people harm)

4) For god sakes don't confuse justice and law. Hence the saying "court of law, not justice".

5) edit: Also i must point out that the laws prohibiting gay marriage are not only UNFAIR, but those laws are not preventing any harm, how does gay marriage cause harm?"

Many western countries have Christian heritages. It wouldn't be odd to say that early America/Canada/Britain were Christian societies. If homosexuality stands in contradiction to the Bible, than homosexuality could be deemed to be harming society. However, as our countries and societies become more secular, and realize the ridiculas baseless claims made in the Bible for what they are, than we can get rid of these laws (as we can now see the real harm that is happening).

The penalty in Canada for first degree murder is (if I'm not mistaken) 20-25 years (life sentence). Many people, really anyone, would say that this is not fair. The life expectancy is at least 80, so why 25 years?

The reason is simple: If a criminal kills someone in Canada, if they kill another person then they will now get 50 years. Kill yet again and its now 75. This acts as discouragement from going on a killing spree. If the penalty for killing a person was a life sentence/death penalty, than the criminal would kill however many people it takes to get away with the crime, as his penalty would not get any worse no matter what measures he takes.

In America (or atleast some states) they still have the death penalty. I'm no expert on American law, but I assume in many states its the old fashioned "you kill a person you get the death penalty" mentality. Need I point out the differences in crime rates between Canada and America?

So in short: Laws should exist to reduce harm done to society/people.

Ok well then, why do we reduce harm? if it's not about fairness, then why stop harm to another? and why is it if a guy stabs you first and you stab him back, the law would not punish you for stabbing him back?

oh yea because it is deemed FAIR.... if it was about ONLY harm and no other reason, we wouldn't have a WHY in which case, that is literally RETARDED why? no reason=illogical illogical=makes no sense...

Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM

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ironicatheist said:

Ok well then, why do we reduce harm? if it's not about fairness, then why stop harm to another? and why is it if a guy stabs you first and you stab him back, the law would not punish you for stabbing him back?

oh yea because it is deemed FAIR.... crap that makes no sense

The law allows for an individual to defend himself against another not because it's fair, but because (as Grimm3r has said) it reduces the total amount of harm that could occur. There is more harm done to society from an innocent person being stabbed/killed than an attempted murderer being killed.

"Ah", you might say, "but what if stabber #1 wasn't aiming to kill whilst stabber #2 was? There's more harm done to society!" If that were argued, I'd direct you to the defence of self-defence; it recognises such a risk may occur and has certain limitations on what can be deemed self-defence; it cannot be excessive and cannot be brought upon himself (i.e. provocation).

It's not fairness which is the guiding principle, but the reduction of harm; there may well be examples where this happens to coincide with what is fair.

Oct 27, 2011 10:24 AM

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Well then I'm starting to get the picture, but why is there still ppl who conclude harm based on fairness? Like for example: what if SATAN showed up, and it turned out the only way to get rid of him was kicking him in the balls repeatedly? Would not ALMOST everyone NOT hesitate to kick him in the balls? and he wouldn't have a place in society?

i mean it's funny really, christians who don't read their bible believe him and LUCIFER are the same 2 ppl, when really ALL he was, was second to god, and he probably saw god's plan and thought "well this doesn't look right" and tried to say something but god instantly took it as satan trying to overthrow him, and so he instantly punished him, which is funny because god is supposedly unbeatable so why was he worried that someone would try?(even though satan wasn't probably trying, but he might have wanted to AFTER the fact because of how BS god was being)

And then i would direct you to most modern satanists beliefs, which is pretty much the same conclusion i made: satan isn't evil, just misunderstood... in that case, should we not give those ppl respect and conclude that possibility also? especially when Biblicaly speaking god is TOO shady to even trust him by time he says "don't trust satan!" or whatever the christians say god says about him...

I mean all we got to go by is god's follower's words that you shouldn't even EVER give him 1 CHANCE to explain himself... because he can deceive you, and the funny thing is these christians never even stopped to wonder "is god deceiving me?" not even 1 time, so how can we trust THEM? because if one person says "that guy is deceiving you" you can say "how do i know YOUR not DECEIVING me by saying that?" no I'm not saying worship satan, I'm saying if Bob told you Doug will deceive you, how do you know Bob isn't deceiving you?
I do not worship satan, nor do i suggest you do so, but similarly to that i wouldn't suggest you straight up worship god either...

So my point is, according to my reasoning and logic, any person who attempts to harm satan should be arrested technically, because either position your on, satan isn't proven to be evil, or immoral, and technically he may not harm anyone, in which case trying to harm him isn't acceptable until you KNOW he is going to cause harm... unless you conclude he is going to cause god's wrath, in which case you should be against god trying to do that, because he is the one trying to, and will probably succeed at harming everyone...

now you could say shouldn't we get rid of satan to prevent that? well then i must bring to your attention, that if your going by my examples, then you heard me say "in which case trying to harm him isn't acceptable until you KNOW he is going to cause harm.." because god is trying to punish someone who did no harm to anyone in the first place and you don't know satan was going to cause harm, doesn't that make what god does not only untrustable, but not a basis for getting rid of satan?

Because if you agree that we should get rid of satan because god is so powerful we cannot stop him(which if we can't trust god how can we trust that we cannot stop him? ESPECIALLY with the fact he is worried about being taken out of the picture?) your agreeing that if another country invades because of who or what the president is and they cannot be stopped that we should give over our president? or hell if a group of ppl keep breaking shit, and killing until they get a specific child, according to you we should let them have said child? i mean seriously?

Oct 27, 2011 12:09 PM

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ironicatheist said:
OK bobby-o where in that did i say COPYRIGHT infringement was stealing? i said that in the past but as soon as you pointed that out i dropped it... and it still doesn't disclude the fact COPYRIGHT infringement is WRONG and ILLEGAL...

Who cares if its illegal? You're going to have to prove that it is wrong also. But I already gave you the link to the thread for that.

Oct 27, 2011 4:19 PM

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What does God and Satan have to do with fairness and self-defense..?

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Gogetters said:
What does God and Satan have to do with fairness and self-defense..?

What does anything he says have to do with anything at all? I stopped reading after the 3rd irrelevant wall of text.

There's no harm to any children because there's no real children involved, plain and simple.

Oct 27, 2011 4:49 PM

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Narmy said:

Gogetters said:
What does God and Satan have to do with fairness and self-defense..?

What does anything he says have to do with anything at all?

Good point.

Oct 27, 2011 5:44 PM

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You know why there is a NSPCC (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children - In England btw) But no NSPCL? (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Lolis)

Because you can't be cruel to loli's, they don't exist.

Oct 28, 2011 12:43 AM

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You know why there is a NSPCC (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children - In England btw) But no NSPCL? (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Lolis)

Because you can't be cruel to loli's, they don't exist.

Yes.

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@Ironicatheist

Not responding to your God Devil rambling. It's absurd. If you can't stop to think about what you are saying don't expect anyone to read it.

As for the 'terrorists invade and are killing a lot of people and demand the president/some child (I'm not quite following your story)...

Terrorists are in principal not negotiated with. The reason being that if terrorism works, only more harm will result by the same party, or other parties who recognize terrorism as an effective means to an end. Thus, the amount of harm done to the society would be really incalculable (very high). So the answer is: No, they should not give the president/child/whatever to the terrorists, because no matter how much larger the loss may seem immediately, in the long run you are discouraging future acts of terrorism and thus reduce the overall harm done to the society.

EDIT: Also, this has gotten way the hell off of the original topic. So I'm not going to respond to any more further scenarios.

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Narmy said:

Gogetters said:
What does God and Satan have to do with fairness and self-defense..?

What does anything he says have to do with anything at all? I stopped reading after the 3rd irrelevant wall of text.

Grimm3r said:
@Ironicatheist

Not responding to your God Devil rambling.

As for the 'terrorists invade and are killing a lot of people and demand the president/some child (I'm not quite following your story)...

LOL.

@Ironcatheist:
You are thinking too much about a fictional tale with a lot of plot holes.

Grimm3r said:
this has gotten way the hell off of the original topic.

Tell me about it.

Banning loli is ridiculous. I mean, what if the author decides that the kid is actually 25, a vampire who is 200+ years old, or a plain damn alien? Should we have rights for fairy children? What about young goddesses or angels that do not age? Are courts going to take all of that into account as well?

- "We deem the defendant guilty of child pornography!
. . . Oh, wait . . . This girl has a tail. Uhh . . ."
*Whispers*
- "What should we do?"
- "Don't worry, we can still let this fly as animal cruelty."
- "Good thinking!"

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QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

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KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

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Nov 3, 2011 1:46 AM

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DrewTheDoofus said:

KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

If they did it with shame, is that alright?

Nov 3, 2011 2:07 AM

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I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere in GD, but days ago the European Union passed a law criminalizing the ownership and distribution of sexual representations of children. So if you're caught with one questionable picture, real or not, of a person who appears to be under 18, you may spend a year in prison.

http://theantifeminist.com/eu-directive-child-abuse-passed/

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InfiniteRyvius said:

DrewTheDoofus said:

KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

If they did it with shame, is that alright?

Nah. Intentions don't matter. Just results. Hitler had good intentions. I had good intentions when I invoked Godwin's Law. The OP had good intentions when he made this thread.

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DrewTheDoofus said:

KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

*yawn* Just shut the fuck up and quick trolling already.

Nov 3, 2011 2:41 AM

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Welp, I'm boned.

Nov 3, 2011 6:16 AM

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This says it all, everywhere except Japan just plain sucks!

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DrewTheDoofus said:

InfiniteRyvius said:

DrewTheDoofus said:

KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

If they did it with shame, is that alright?

Nah. Intentions don't matter. Just results. Hitler had good intentions. I had good intentions when I invoked Godwin's Law. The OP had good intentions when he made this thread.

What was that expression? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

I hated that expression. Why the fuck isn't it bad intentions?

Anyway, it isn't about intention, it's about acknowledging their "sin". Surely God said he'd forgive all those who repented their sins?

Nov 3, 2011 10:29 AM

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So tehnically we could ALL go to jail for that!? O.O F UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! *deletes EVERY single data of lolicon on computer*.

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InfiniteRyvius said:

DrewTheDoofus said:

InfiniteRyvius said:

DrewTheDoofus said:

KyuuAL said:
QW%@!#%!@#

Let this thread die already... geez...

Die like the souls of all the people who have shamelessly fapped to animated child pornography?

If they did it with shame, is that alright?

Nah. Intentions don't matter. Just results. Hitler had good intentions. I had good intentions when I invoked Godwin's Law. The OP had good intentions when he made this thread.

He's trolling.

Vukadin said:
So tehnically we could ALL go to jail for that!? O.O F UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! *deletes EVERY single data of lolicon on computer*.

Now you just need to reformat to get rid of it permanently.

Nov 5, 2011 5:39 AM

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wow. that's weird..and shallow..

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wow. that's weird..and shallow..

Shallow?

What happened to all the posts that came after mine? If they were deleted none of them seemed delete worthy.

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what do you expect, its canada?

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