saka said: Haha yes it's a great response and he's certainly pointing out many of the flaws, but this guy is being unfair in some respects as well. His video was the first response I found. I don't normally watch videos with title saying "Anime Sucks" but of course, curiosity gets the better of me but whatever. Still, opinions are opinion and we can't really do much. I'm the kind of person who enjoys what he likes and that's all there is to it. I mean, I've seen people bashing other things that I like including metal music and pro-wrestling, but I don't really give quarter of a flying fuck. It's their opinion, not mine XD |
TheBastid said: And what is this guy talking about still animation? Are we still in the 90s? Yeah, Dragonball used a lot of that stuff but I seriously cannot imagine an anime in 2011 that still uses that stuff. I've never seen it so far. Bakuman, for example, is just full of that kind of animation, sadly. Just a close-up of one characters head and their mouth moving for 4-6 seconds. |
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TitanXL said: You can count on your hand the number of US cartoons that actual bother to give their shows an overall plotline... *facepalm* Please tell me that by "plotline" you mean a storyline, as in what basically happens in a story that give a beginning, middle, & end and not a plot that stretches and spans throughout a number of episodes in a show with a subplot or two in them? TitanXL said: As for your comment on comedy, well, perhaps that had more merit in the 90s when we had shows like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, but looking at shows like Flapjack and Adventure Time, as mentioned, I don't get that sense at all. Ya know what, I think for you to get that sense even these days in animation, you would actually need to learn and practice the craft. Practice observing facial expressions in real life, how people act or react, even on reality TV, practice drawing scenes through a storyboard where 2 characters are acting or reacting to another and what they say or do. Let me clarify what I mean when I was referring to the comedy thing because when people who don't learn any better think of "comedy" and "American animation," that somehow means it has to be completely wacky and zany or I that I refer to strictly comedy only. That's not even what I mean! What I learned about animation is that most of it's influences and references seen are from live-action because animators have to constantly study that in order to understand how to make characters act, express, ans create gestures in a believable way. When you see one character in anime talking or having all the dialogue in that one "cutscene" (note, I said cutscene, not just scene) and there are other characters also in that cutscene, no one attempts to shift their heador form their hand under their chin, or scratches their head as a means to express that "they're trying to think." Again, it doesn't have to be utterly wacky or..., actually no! Rather the characters don't have to be constantly squashing and stretching or smearing or make the most exaggerated, facial expressions like eyes being shot out of a character's sockets. I don't even mean that! This doesn't even have to be in comedy-only shows! I'm merely sayin that anime could use more of emphasizing on being animated as if they're "acting" like a real-life person, only for believability sake. But heres the issue among anime fans. I could ramble on all day, but for fans to get a grasp of what I'm talking about, they need to somehow really practice and be taught about animation and storytelling in general. Otherwise you and many others are not gonna get it and will keep creating half-baked logic based on merely their own opinion that would never even apply in classes being taught. All of the constant logic I see anime fans make up and spew around and then try to apply vague facts about it... like just learn about animation instead of assuming you know what's "good and bad quality." Doesn't matter if you're not really good at it, just learn it and get a better understanding or something. TitanXL said: go so far to say that Mitsudomoe (nice sig saka, by the way) is hands down the funniest show I've seen... Having watched through the first what was it, 3 or 4 episodes, it just bored me when you always have some double-entendre joke dragged on for 5 minutes long than it need to be. I'll admit it was being somewhat more unique conceptually like all other anime do. But that doesn't mean it's executed in such a way where I'm ultimately entertained by it. And I don't care honestly to find out how it gets better by episode whatever. Dear anime fans, stop advising people to have to constantly bulldoze through a show entirely to find the "good part" as if nothing ever needs to be established in the first episode to help your audience care for what they're watching. |
HypeathonJun 18, 2011 2:43 AM
TheNotoriousKAZ said: saka said: Haha yes it's a great response and he's certainly pointing out many of the flaws, but this guy is being unfair in some respects as well. His video was the first response I found. I don't normally watch videos with title saying "Anime Sucks" but of course, curiosity gets the better of me but whatever. Still, opinions are opinion and we can't really do much. I'm the kind of person who enjoys what he likes and that's all there is to it. I mean, I've seen people bashing other things that I like including metal music and pro-wrestling, but I don't really give quarter of a flying fuck. It's their opinion, not mine XD There is a lot of subjective idiocy yes... Really his whole video is not about animation, since that is simply an excuse to rationalize his dislike of rabid anime fans in general. Sure I think there are some people who take things too far and who really don't know much about the things they claim to love, but it doesn't inherently mean that the thing they love is inferior just because it annoys you. It's kind of like people making fun of stamp collectors or people who collect bottle caps.... hobbyists have a wealth of trivial knowledge and really enjoy that hobby for reasons that others won't understand. People like things for different reasons, and want others to like the things they like. Still, I think the op vid guy is probably more fair-minded than the average youtuber.... and even though he was trolling and overstepped his criticisms, most of the flaming was uninformed and taken out of context. In the end, his trolling was constructive to everyone who watched it -- even if they hated it -- because just being called stupid in a detailed way will prompt people to research for a rebuttal. I think Hypeathon is alluding to the same idea really... that so many anime fans like anime blindly without trying to understand why they like it. |
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| I did mention before what got me into anime is that the style of the art was something I found unique which makes it different from American animation. Now as much as I'm an anime fan, I will know a flaw when I see one, even though I rarely see it because I don't watch that much anime to begin with and I've watched anime since 1998 so you can say that I grew up on 90's anime. Just because I'm a fan of a certain thing, doesn't mean I will refuse to acknowledge a flaw. Hey, after all, nothing is perfect as they always say. I have met fans who are so biased towards something they like or hate, often bringing up one-sided arguments. All-in-all, I think the whole which is superior over which is kinda pointless because I personally think different countries have different style in making animation. I'm not taking sides in case you're wondering. That's just my humble opinion. I'm actually glad to see anime fans who are not biased and actually agree that anime does have flaws. But I also agree the reason why people make videos about a certain something sucks is mostly because of their hatred for the fans. Take WWE's John Cena for example. Most people hate him mainly because of his fanbase rather than the wrestler himself. |
TheNotoriousKAZ said: This is what I have to agree with. I've never watched an anime that looks terrible in animation or design. OH BOY.... I could give you a long list of anime that have terrible animation, but that won't be the point I would try to prove. You gotta understand that animation, art, style, and design are all different components. Just because anime has great designs and interesting art and style does not mean the animation is good. Animation means what it says (To Animate) in other words it means "bring to life". There are far too many anime that use "limited" animation where you have character that don't move for an extensive period of time. Not to mention the backgrounds are almost always ridiculously bad. I like anime as much as anyone here, but I don't worship it, nor do I believe its the best animation. Anime has always been entertainment, however it has MAJOR FLAWS, and as fans we shouldn't turn a blind eye just because we're fans. I've always believed that you should treat anime as a HOBBY, just like card collecting or playing sports......anime should NEVER be taken too seriously. |
| As I mentioned, I didn't watch a lot of anime to begin with. And I never said I worship anime nor do I say it's the best form of animation. |
TheNotoriousKAZJun 18, 2011 4:16 AM
TheNotoriousKAZ said: As I mentioned, I didn't watch a lot of anime to begin with. And I never said I worship anime nor do I say it's the best form of animation. Ok, fair enough.... However there are many, MANY anime fans that really believe Japan animation is superior to every thing else. Might I just say, that we have an award for best animated feature in the academy awards. Ever since 2001 when the award was first given, only ONE Japanese animated film has won. The other 9 years were won by American Films. If we're talking about QUALITY, the greatest animation studio on this planet is Pixar. They have won 6 Academy Awards for best Animated Film, and all their movies have been hits. Now, I know that they don't use traditional animation, they use CGI, however, we have already made the definition of "animation". |
| I did mention that nothing is perfect and if anime does have it's flaws, I'll willingly point it out. I may be an anime otaku who buys a lot of DVD's and collects merchandising since I see it as a hobby, but I don't go around telling people that anime is the best because I know nothing is perfect. I'm a fan of George A. Romero but do I say he makes the best movies? Well, even though he DID revolutionized the zombie sub-genre to what it is today, I will say that I've seen better works. Also, I love Pixar movies XD |
| I've avoided mentioning Pixar mostly because all the criticisms were for hand drawn animation, though I would agree that they are the top of the field. It did come up earlier in the thread though. Most studios cannot dispute that CGI is the (present and) future of animation.... but hand drawn still has appeal and is more useful in certain situations. Even hand drawn animation now is almost completely traced, reworked, and colored on computers now so the line between CG and drawn art are increasingly blurred. I'm rather glad the technology to emulate hand drawn art from 3-D models hasn't been perfected yet... it's only a matter of time before you can't tell, and works like C really reaffirm that the industry is heading in that direction. |
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alexcampos said: However there are many, MANY anime fans that really believe Japan animation is superior to every thing else. Regarding technical animation? I doubt it. When people talk about japanese animation being the best, they are referring to the content in it and the overall enjoyment it provides. I would dare to say statistics would show so if somebody were to run a proper survey pointing out the emphasis on the technical aspect of animation rather than the content. If this were proved otherwise then we might have a problem, but like lots of people have pointed out about a dozen times throughout the thread, japanese animation is only considered the best because, upon mentioning "japanese animation", the first thing to come to mind is not how things are fully or partially animated (since most people either do not care or do not look into it enough to appreciate it), but the brilliant plot behind Death Note, for example. It is merely a case of linguistical coincidence between the naming of the anime series and the animation process, which creates the confusion in the thought that anime fans are actually defending the actual animation process rather than anime in itself. Since most people do not consider the actual animation a deciding factor in quality (which is why it is not developed further in the first place. If the demand for better "actual animation" was high enough, the animation quality would be forced to increase to meet the demands and make the profits), they say that "anime is better", and they are right in every aspect except the technical animation standpoint, which has already been discussed. Tl;dr: Other studios are better at the actual animation process. "Anime", being also called "Japanese animation", is superior in plot and art. Considering: "most people do not consider the actual animation a deciding factor in quality": Anime > Other I don't see what there is to discuss further here rather than repeating the same thing over and over again for another 5 pages. Edit: How the hell did all of my "japanese" get autocorrected to "japenese" anyway? |
Hypeathon said: *facepalm* Please tell me that by "plotline" you mean a storyline, as in what basically happens in a story that give a beginning, middle, & end and not a plot that stretches and spans throughout a number of episodes in a show with a subplot or two in them? A storyline as in 'the goal of this show is for the Elrc Brothers to find the Philosopher's Stone and restore their body, and they get dragged into a crazy war between humans and homunculi'. Something that has a tangible and achievable ending point, so not something like Spongebob or Batman which just go by episode-to-episode with no story, only 'this episode Batman catches the Riddler and throws him in jail' or 'this episode Spongebob goes to work and gets a cold' Ya know what, I think for you to get that sense even these days in animation, you would actually need to learn and practice the craft. Practice observing facial expressions in real life, how people act or react, even on reality TV, practice drawing scenes through a storyboard where 2 characters are acting or reacting to another and what they say or do. Let me clarify what I mean when I was referring to the comedy thing because when people who don't learn any better think of "comedy" and "American animation," that somehow means it has to be completely wacky and zany or I that I refer to strictly comedy only. That's not even what I mean! What I learned about animation is that most of it's influences and references seen are from live-action because animators have to constantly study that in order to understand how to make characters act, express, ans create gestures in a believable way. When you see one character in anime talking or having all the dialogue in that one "cutscene" (note, I said cutscene, not just scene) and there are other characters also in that cutscene, no one attempts to shift their heador form their hand under their chin, or scratches their head as a means to express that "they're trying to think." Again, it doesn't have to be utterly wacky or..., actually no! Rather the characters don't have to be constantly squashing and stretching or smearing or make the most exaggerated, facial expressions like eyes being shot out of a character's sockets. I don't even mean that! This doesn't even have to be in comedy-only shows! I'm merely sayin that anime could use more of emphasizing on being animated as if they're "acting" like a real-life person, only for believability sake. Well if you feel that way I suppose, I'm happy with the way it is now and have no complaints. But heres the issue among anime fans. I could ramble on all day, but for fans to get a grasp of what I'm talking about, they need to somehow really practice and be taught about animation and storytelling in general. Otherwise you and many others are not gonna get it and will keep creating half-baked logic based on merely their own opinion that would never even apply in classes being taught. All of the constant logic I see anime fans make up and spew around and then try to apply vague facts about it... like just learn about animation instead of assuming you know what's "good and bad quality." Doesn't matter if you're not really good at it, just learn it and get a better understanding or something. That's like saying you need to be a chef to tell if a dish tastes bad or not. No, you don't, and the only impression I get from you is you feel you're on some high horse and have an automatically superior opinion because you have some experience or something. |
| @Vhaltz, others: That's all just opinion. You're just saying it's sweepingly "superior" because you like it better. Try to back it up with something or it's not a discussion. |
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saka said: @Vhaltz, others: That's all just opinion. You're just saying it's sweepingly "superior" because you like it better. Try to back it up with something or it's not a discussion. What is subjective is whether animation is better in japan or other countires regarding the non-technical aspects of it such as art, plot, etc. However, the statistical, overall preference of the population seems to tilt towards anime enough for the video's OP to consider it a given, so that's a pretty hard fact that "anime > other" in non-technical aspects. But it's just not the issue at hand anyway. Technical animation is the issue, it was the point of this thread and has already been discussed. Japanese animation cuts lots in terms of animation quality with a few exceptions, while many others like Pixar manage fluid, full animation. It's pretty clear by now. Throw in the budget factor and judge for yourself. As of now, people seem to be complaining that anime fanbase blindly consider japanese animation the best, which, as I intended to point out in my previous post, is just a linguistical misunderstanding because of the term "japanese animation" referring to two separate things: 1. Anime (with its main characteristics being art and plot) 2. The actual animation process in japan. Japanese animation is considered best when referring to 1 (which is what the population assumes if the technical animation aspect is not mentioned), while it's clearly inferior in aspect 2 for reasons already posted back in the first few pages on the thread that people should just read rather than just checking the last page. The guy in the video along with a few in the thread are taking "japanese animation considered best" as in 2, while I highly doubt would be the outcome if an actual survey on technical animation and technical animation alone was handed out. |
| yeah, it's certainly true that the video overgeneralizes and is trolling in particular those anime worshipers who don't know much about animation. Anime is Japanese animation.... by definition, though I can see why you want to separate the terminology to just refer to the animation. Still, basically nobody here is qualified to critique that and that's kind of his point. I used to be pretty big on following animation blogs and have lots of artbooks from disney movies and such, with concept and production material.... but I'm likely not even as versed in animation history as the guy in TheNotoriousKAZ's vid. Everybody has an opinion, but if we just slam anybody who criticizes anime as being wrong then we are proving the point of the opening vid. I don't think anybody can argue that TheJosephShow's view is naive and rather biased (for reasons I've repeated already), but the more you watch it the more you realize that what he's attacking is actually the fans and not the animation. At least that's what I've taken from it. |
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Armiga21 said: American movies winning American awards? My, what a shocker. What the hell are you talking about??? 2002: Spirited Away (JAPANESE ANIMATED FILM!!!) wins Best animated Feature in the Academy Awards. Before you post a comment, please think about it first, The Academy Awards are OPEN to all nationalities, it's NOT exclusive to American Films. Here I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Animated_Feature You'll notice that there are plenty of nominated films from other countries such as the UK, France, and Japan. |
Armiga21 said: alexcampos said: Might I just say, that we have an award for best animated feature in the academy awards. Ever since 2001 when the award was first given, only ONE Japanese animated film has won. The other 9 years were won by American Films. If we're talking about QUALITY, the greatest animation studio on this planet is Pixar. They have won 6 Academy Awards for best Animated Film, and all their movies have been hits. Now, I know that they don't use traditional animation, they use CGI, however, we have already made the definition of "animation". American movies winning American awards? My, what a shocker. I guess we should bow down to the Simpsons being the best animated TV show as well. I mean, who needs shows like Monster or Revolutionary Girl Utena or The Daughter of 20 Faces when we can have the Simpsons. You should probably learn to form your own opinion than listen to uneducated awards shows. Grave of the Fireflies, and pretty much anything by Satoshi Kon stomps Pixar, if only because they can make movies that aren't 'family fun adventure comedies'. Let's see Pixar make a serious drama for a change and maybe they'll be comparable to Japan. This is about animation quality and not plot content. But also from about 1995 until, let's say, 2002 or so, The Simpsons was pretty much the best show on television. alexcampos said: Armiga21 said: American movies winning American awards? My, what a shocker. What the hell are you talking about??? 2002: Spirited Away (JAPANESE ANIMATED FILM!!!) wins Best animated Feature in the Academy Awards. Before you post a comment, please think about it first, The Academy Awards are OPEN to all nationalities, it's NOT exclusive to American Films. Here I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Animated_Feature You'll notice that there are plenty of nominated films from other countries such as the UK, France, and Japan. Other than Spirited Away and Wallace and Gromit every other winner was an American film. I think Pixar rules, but being one of only two foreign films to win is a pretty big achievement. |
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PeanutSteak said: But also from about 1995 until, let's say, 2002 or so, The Simpsons was pretty much the best show on television. Judging by what standards? saka said: Everybody has an opinion, but if we just slam anybody who criticizes anime as being wrong then we are proving the point of the opening vid. To me it seems that this is mostly going the other way around. Criticize American animation and you're a weeaboo who doesn't know anything. |
IDex said: Yes, he says he's criticizing the other direction because he feels that criticism is undeserved -- and I agree. Both of those extremes come only from ignorance. A more mature perspective would be to just gauge all animation as you watch it instead of lumping everything together into good and bad based only on where it came from.saka said: Everybody has an opinion, but if we just slam anybody who criticizes anime as being wrong then we are proving the point of the opening vid. To me it seems that this is mostly going the other way around. Criticize American animation and you're a weeaboo who doesn't know anything. |
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PeanutSteak said: But also from about 1995 until, let's say, 2002 or so, The Simpsons was pretty much the best show on television. Sorry, but this always seemed odd to me. Even if one were to say the Simpsons was good at one point, no show where only 20% of it is good can truly be considered good. If over half of it is garbage, then it's not worth my time, in my opinion. Truly good shows can keep my interest for at least 80%+ of the time. alexcampos said: 2002: Spirited Away (JAPANESE ANIMATED FILM!!!) wins Best animated Feature in the Academy Awards. Before you post a comment, please think about it first, The Academy Awards are OPEN to all nationalities, it's NOT exclusive to American Films. Here I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Animated_Feature You'll notice that there are plenty of nominated films from other countries such as the UK, France, and Japan. Spirited Away was also one of the few anime films that aired in American theaters at more than just an extremely limited run IIRC. There's a reason why animation is just a sub category in the awards, as well as 'foriegn films'. These awards are mostly an American thing, I do hope you realize this. By this logic, anime is better than American animated films because Japanese animated films win all the awards in Japan. Please tell me you understand there is going to be a bias towards your own countries works. Awards aren't some objective thing, nor are they proof of anything. Remember, animation is viewed as a kid's thing here in America, so a movie like Perfect Blue will get strange looks rather than Shrek which is 'fun for the whole family!' |
Armiga21 said: I've seen the term "reverse weeaboo" thrown around actually, though generally it's only used by those who have been called weeaboos themselves. The insult is because it's an obsession with a culture that is not your original one, and I'm sure that there are derogatory japanese terms for japanese people who are obsessed with foreign culture as well. It's all very nationalistic and immature, from any direction.I also like how no one throws around words like 'Ameriboo' when someone claims something American is better, I suppose the people who like anime more are just that more laid back and open minded and don't need to resort to name calling to get their point across. Anyhow, individual comparisons mean nothing. The fact is there are good and bad series anywhere, so unless you're making some useless argument about statistical averages there is no reason to say one is better than the other. How do you want to quantify "better"? ...because something that subjective changes completely upon what aspects you use to measure that. The op claims that because japanese animation relies on more detailed art with less animation that it is less "alive" than american art which is less detailed but more active. That tradeoff is completely subjective, and he even admits that everybody uses limited animation anyway, excepting major feature films. Is every animation work supposed to be compared to Disney? .. because that is unfair to every studio including all the smaller works he listed in his video that aren't Disney/Pixar. The budget differences are just too huge, and actually stifle the original diverse content that we enjoy in them (in favor of family-friendly unobjectionable formulas). He can keep his hundred million dollar twitching and bouncy fat, and I'll enjoy the competitive and off-the-wall small studios that make animation interesting. |
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| Pretty sure that last post made the /thread. |
| I'm too lazy to repost Although I could give two shits about your opinion about anime (I personally like it) But the inner homo in me makes me want to vomit. -A dog collar -A choker -Flannel/plaid shirt -Flannel Vest -Japanese bear skullcap -Handpainted checkered wall Why do youtuber's spit relatively informative shit but SHIT on their credibility by showing their ignorance in other things (i.e. fashion and cleanliness) PS: JPN and USA are all DRAWN FROM KOREA... look it up Anyways from my youtube rant: If that's all you care about shitty animation then yes, don't bother watching anime. As for me I prefer anime over most forms of television series. It's a hobby, an escape, maybe a relaxation. Which is probably why I prefer Slice of Life and Comedies and everything in between. I'm all for the "if you don't like it don't effing watch it!" Mantra It just looks like everyone enjoys to be jaded. It's his opinion but when he wax idiotic and starts overgeneralizing, it makes me facepalm. |
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| @Ranivus: He's not homo at all... if anything he's just a hipster but he's an intelligent guy and you shouldn't try to attack him just for what he wears. I actually thought his room was pretty damn cool. Youtubers like to be haters and it's fashionable to overgeneralize because viral flaming is exactly what they want -- it's an easy way to get views and can even land them money from the advertising. He's smarter and more reasonable than most of them which is why he's such a successful troll, and he surely enjoys feeding on your blind hatred. |
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| No matter what the country, animation quality is based off of the budget. Anime with lower budgets have less quality animation and cut corners. Series with high budgets get fantastic animation, regardless of their quality. Since Japan has more animated series that last for short amount of time, there is more low quality animation because they just want to release the shows. America tends to make series that are supposed to last for several seasons, so they tend to put more money into them trying to make them last. |
| anime does wonders with low budgets that couldnt even think about besides most anime movies dont have that bad of an animation :D |
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Bob_Squob said: and in the same way, the budget of one disney feature could fund Futurama for twenty seasons. Most people would argue they have more fun watching Futurama than Princess and the Frog~No matter what the country, animation quality is based off of the budget. Anime with lower budgets have less quality animation and cut corners. Series with high budgets get fantastic animation, regardless of their quality. |
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| He mad some good points, but, as most people have said, most American shows have a much larger budget than an average anime. And who really cares that it's limited animation, "Work smarter, not harder". Less animation = more profit. |
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Meh_93 said: Actually I'd argue that japanese animators work a lot harder than their american counterparts. The budgets aren't necessarily less either for "most" shows.... it's just that different aspects of animation are prioritized.... for example detail over movement. Most american made-for-television shows are much worse on similar budgets, but because Disney has these massive feature projects that are financially way beyond everyone else, he is distracting us from that.He mad some good points, but, as most people have said, most American shows have a much larger budget than an average anime. And who really cares that it's limited animation, "Work smarter, not harder". Less animation = more profit. Disney makes great stuff (even if they follow safe boring formulas storywise), but they're a massive global conglomerate with almost unlimited resources.... so nobody anywhere can really be compared with them when they are on a completely different footing -- japanese, american, european, or otherwise. |
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| Saka although I'm not sure that ensemble counts as a hipster in my eyes (i picture hipters more hippie ish that attend Jack Johnson concerts in their Birkenstocks) but to each his own. Aside from my dislike of his tastes, i think its fair to compare your typical shounen anime with 100+ episodes to like a sitcom running just as many or more episodes. It all comes down to money. The best way to keep production costs down is by overworking the labor force and rehashing animations. That scene that gets looped for about 10 seconds could have easily saved the company a few thousand dollars. Or just animating the face and twitching the eyes would save about 4 hours of animation work that it takes to animate the jawline and muscles and nose or something. As for a western sitcom like Fresh Prince of Bel Air, most of the production costs go into the actors and not the setting of the show. Which is why you see them use roughly 5-10 sets and reuse them religiously. And like every 20-30 episodes they make a special "final season" episode where they go out to a different location. Everybody loves raymond when they go to Italy for 3 episodes comes to mind. Instead of generalizing the whole genre of anime, it should be compared to its live action counter parts. A high production series (Gunslinger Girl Season 1 @ 1.3million Yen/ep) to a High production Action series (24 the Series @ $3million/ep) etc etc. People like the guy in the video are the kind of guys that go on IMDB and post all the errors on a show. There will be mistakes, everyone makes them. Corrections section in newspapers Producer corrections on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption Many drawing flaws in any hand made tv show - I'd like to direct people to the following SanCom articles: Animators: “1 Frame = 1 Hour, 1 Frame = $2″ Japanese Animators Get Slave Wages: $11,000 A Year Japanese Animators “Earn $3/Hour” Someone said that these animators work harder than the american counterparts, but working harder in terms of 11+ hours/day 7days a week doesn't necessarily mean they work harder. Not to mention all the fatigue and health issues working 85+ hours a week. Most of these jobs in entertainment are not lucrative jobs in the slightest. Maybe we might see better attention to detail if all the average animators get paid well? More money will always = more quality its the sad truth. Freaks of nature like Makoto Shinkai are the Michelangelo's of the 21st century and are far and few between to find. I dont know where the hell im going with this but if you know what im trying to get to, I hope i make sense. Watching shows that don't entertain you don't make sense. if the shows they're spitting out are entertaining people around the world, who are you (the haters and jaded ppl) to go and discriminate a show simply because the "animation sucks" The same logic can be placed on the real world. Situation: a co-worker from a completely different department gets a promotion. Response: you get mad because they got promoted and you KNOW other people are way more qualified and better than that person. Question: Why are you mad? Why can't you just be happy for that person? Is that persons personal gain going to affect you in the long run? So why so serious? ...see? |
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