What do you guys think about manga readers rating an anime based on how closely it followed the manga instead how good the anime actually is?
| I've seen this happen a few times where viewers will rate an anime based on how well it closely followed the source material, rather than ascribing a rating to an adaptation as a standalone work. Examples: A Silent Voice, Erased, Ranma 1/2, Kaguya-sama movie, etc. I understand that the source material is oftentimes better (or at least, more detailed) than the adaptation, but it kind of irks me that people don't judge adaptations based on their own mediums and as their own thing-- rather they view it as an extension of the manga/source material which it usually isn't |
| It is a delicate balancing act between objective animation quality and manga faithfulness, it's all in the name itself "adaptation" it can never be a 1 to 1 translation of the original work, some creative liberties are always taken to fit the different mediums but it should be cosmetic only and not affect the flow of the original story, but let me ask you something which one is worse a fully faithful adaptation with a mediocre to poor animation or a good animation that deviates radically from its source material to the point of being completely different ? Ideally it should be faithful and well animated but that's not always the case and your preference depends on which factor you value most, authenticity or quality. |
| Maybe you can look at the reception of the original FMA anime compared to Brotherhood. |
| I get their sentiment sometimes, but I also feel annoyed when they immediately disregard all of a show's merits just because they weren't fans of the pacing. Cough cough Anne Shirley 2025 COUGH COUGH. Though I find it the most annoying when they get uppity about an actual good change to the source material more, honestly. |
| Your planet is really bright. |
| "What do you guys think about manga readers rating an anime based on how closely it followed the manga instead how good the anime actually is?" I don't care. They have the right to do so. |
| Aside from cases where adaptation is visibly bad, I absolutely hate nitpickers. |
| You need the right balance. Something like "this anime would be a 9/10 if it were original but since I know that the source material is so much better, I'm going to rate it 4/10" is obviously exaggerated, but I think that the most common case is "this anime adaptation is trash, maybe I would have rated it slightly higher if I didn't know that the source material is so much better but it would still be trash" which is fairly reasonable. |
ixaa said: I've seen this happen a few times only a few times, lol they do it almost every time |
| It's understandable if too much content is cut, or censored. |
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| i've been guilty of rating an anime slightly lower because of its poor adaptation, or cut content...but never to a point where i would rate an anime that would otherwise be an 8 or 9...a 5 or 6. take Arifureta for instance...they cut an almost alarming amount of content in the adaptation, and yes i did score it lower because of that...however, they still managed to make the story work and not leave the audience questioning why something happened with no prior information... I've also seen some anime change the timeline(as was portrayed in the source material) around before so they dont have to do a bunch of weird short flashback sequences, which i honestly can appreciate when done properly. do i care about an adaptation being faithful? yeah...if it wasn't, the studio would be butchering the story the author meant to write...but i do agree that for an adaptation to be completely faithful, seasons would be much longer and would cost the studios more money...its not the 90's/00's anymore...where shows could run for 50+ episodes without stopping. there's also one more factor people have to consider...how good was the source material in the first place? was it some generic slop that was poorly written? was it a masterpiece that will be remembered 20+ years from now? these also play a huge part in how faithful i want an anime to be...if the manga/LN was shit...go ahead and adapt it any way you want, as long as its entertaining...but if the story is 10/10 omg everyone NEEDS to read this...you better be faithful or the fans are gonna hate you |
| okay lisn, here's an analogy I've come up with. You get handed a perfectly functional recipe for a dish which people like. You then arbitrarily add and remove ingredients and change specified amounts on a whim. Also instead of baking it in an oven you decide to fry it on a pan with a lot of grease. Maybe you're gonna get something which surprisingly tastes amazing, and people with functioning brains will praise you even though it's not the dish they were expecting to get. More likely it's gonna end up as weird mess which also smells like burned shit but is still served under the name of the original dish. Are people who are supposed to eat it not justified in criticizing your meddling, then? Also if you don't want people to treat *thing* as an extension of source material, you damn better come up with nomenclature which makes it excessively clear that *thing* is its own product, instead of naming it literally the same as what it is based on. |
| I strongly disagree with that sentiment since I like to enjoy anime and manga as different mediums and from different lenses, but I can see where they're coming from. However, if a lot of content is butchered (like in Promised Neverland 2), then it's less about the anime-manga differences but about the work being dogshit itself. I didn't need to read the TPN manga in order to know season 2 was shit. |
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| I don't mind if an anime deviates from its source material provided the changes make sense. If you can make sense of the changes, or better yet; the changes manages to handle a scene which was clumsily handled in the original source better then I am happy for those changes to take place. If on the other major plot/character developments are skipped over for non-discernible reasons then yes that would count against the show. Things like animation and style can be a plus or minus to the anime depending on whether it is well done or not. In short I do not think being faithful to the original source is key rather it is if the changes make sense and most important make the series enjoyable in it's own way. We also got to realise that each medium has its own limitations/strengths so to expect a 100% faithful adaptation is an unreasonable expectation. Adjustments will have to made so the question becomes are those adjustments good ones or not? |
| if the anime not being faithful hampered their enjoyment, then that's a valid point. you cannot judge something based on "if" scenarios, like "would I enjoy this more if I didn't know that the source is much better". I personally cannot judge Mushoku Tensei on its own. I have read the LN, so I know what parts are adapted well and what parts they screwed up. I also know things about certain characters that an anime-only watcher wouldn't know, which affects my understanding of the story and characters. it's impossible to remove those influences. Captain-577 said: they could just as well be talking about the original adaptation which wasn't faithful to the manga either.You are obviously talking about the remake which was censored and they even tried to completely cut out "problematic characters". Why are you surprised that fans were mad about it. |
| It isn't a standalone work, it is called an adaptation for a reason. If the anime ends up being a worse version of the manga's story, the manga fans are free to criticize it. I doubt anyone wants to see their favorite manga or novels to get the treatment Promised Neverland or other series get. |
| Yes this is a thing that's unfortunate; it shows a lack of appreciation of anime but whatever. It's the same thing as people not noticing how good an anime they watched actually is; but praising a similar one just because it's popular. |
| Cannon or no cannon? Who cares, it says adaptation |
Reply to iThink
okay lisn, here's an analogy I've come up with.
You get handed a perfectly functional recipe for a dish which people like.
You then arbitrarily add and remove ingredients and change specified amounts on a whim.
Also instead of baking it in an oven you decide to fry it on a pan with a lot of grease.
Maybe you're gonna get something which surprisingly tastes amazing, and people with functioning brains will praise you even though it's not the dish they were expecting to get.
More likely it's gonna end up as weird mess which also smells like burned shit but is still served under the name of the original dish.
Are people who are supposed to eat it not justified in criticizing your meddling, then?
Also if you don't want people to treat *thing* as an extension of source material, you damn better come up with nomenclature which makes it excessively clear that *thing* is its own product, instead of naming it literally the same as what it is based on.
You get handed a perfectly functional recipe for a dish which people like.
You then arbitrarily add and remove ingredients and change specified amounts on a whim.
Also instead of baking it in an oven you decide to fry it on a pan with a lot of grease.
Maybe you're gonna get something which surprisingly tastes amazing, and people with functioning brains will praise you even though it's not the dish they were expecting to get.
More likely it's gonna end up as weird mess which also smells like burned shit but is still served under the name of the original dish.
Are people who are supposed to eat it not justified in criticizing your meddling, then?
Also if you don't want people to treat *thing* as an extension of source material, you damn better come up with nomenclature which makes it excessively clear that *thing* is its own product, instead of naming it literally the same as what it is based on.
| @iThink If we go off of your analogy, why are we assuming that the new dish is *likely* going to be a weird mess? …. Sometimes, it isn’t. And that’s the whole point about preconceived biases regarding adaptations— sometimes the new dish is great, but people don’t like it because they replaced one garnish with another or whatever, and they’d likely get called a food snob/purist over it. Plus I think the analogy doesn’t work because cooking is a single medium… and as someone who cooks, usually meals don’t turn out exactly the same each time anyways unless you carefully measure every ingredient out and control for all cooking variables… your comparison is more like 2 completely separate adaptions of the same work. |
Reply to pk8list
It isn't a standalone work, it is called an adaptation for a reason. If the anime ends up being a worse version of the manga's story, the manga fans are free to criticize it. I doubt anyone wants to see their favorite manga or novels to get the treatment Promised Neverland or other series get.
| @pk8list Adaptations aren’t standalone works as in they arent originals, but they should be rated as their own thing because they are forced to conform to the limits of the medium provided. That’s why — for example — when we adapt novels to movies, it’s very difficult to capture every single detail from the novel onto the screen… but I think it’s annoying to get upset over lost details as long as the adaptation still makes sense. I can understand an adaptation not being as good as the source material. like if the criticism is “this is a good movie but certain moments lack depth” then that’s valid, but if the criticism is “this movie is bad because it doesn’t follow the source material” then that’s not valid. I also don’t think the promised neverland is a good example because the anime messed up big time, so the criticism IS functionally tied to the anime. I’m talking about adaptations though that are good, just don’t follow the original source material |
ixaaYesterday, 1:04 PM
| Going in blind might make it possible to enjoy it while knowing details from the manga would make it seem thoroughly unpleasant to sit through. If you are too occupied noticing everything that was cut, changed, or rearranged there won't be much good in the experience. Using Kingdom as an example it is only an anime marred by being a CGI monstrosity. But coming back to it after reading the manga it is an unforgivable butchering and there are plenty of things in your face that are very unclear even without manga knowledge. They might not click into place before reading the manga (by which I mean their not fitting into place becomes obvious). |
ixaa said: Of course, an adaptation should take advantage of the strengths of its medium and if the decisions the staff take improve the whole experience, this is only a good thing, but they should also try to adapt the source material faithfully, at least to an extent (copypaste adaptations are as bad as a rushed adaptation for not offering something more than the source material). Also, I agree with the movie part. The time constraint is one of the main reasons why I am not a huge fan of making movies based on arcs, with some exceptions here and there.Adaptations aren’t standalone works but they conform to the limits of the medium provided. That’s why — for example — when we adapt novels to movies, it’s very difficult to capture every single detail from the novel onto the screen. ixaa said: Fair, I use Promised Neverland as an example because it is the first thing that comes to mind when it comes to bad adaptations. For example, I am fine with the original fma anime and I think it does some things way better than fmab, so I don't see any issue with the anime doing its own thing in that case.it has less to do with the production taking creative freedoms and more about how they use the said freedoms in the adaptation.I also don’t think the promised neverland is a good example because the anime messed up big time, so the criticism IS functionally tied to the anime. I’m talking about adaptations though that are good, just don’t follow the original source material |
| I just judge which one has the better execution if there are differences. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
ixaa said: Experience. why are we assuming that the new dish is *likely* going to be a weird mess? ixaa said: No kidding, maybe that's why I specifically wrote that "Maybe you're gonna get something which surprisingly tastes amazing, and people with functioning brains will praise you even though it's not the dish they were expecting to get.", but I guess you haven't read that far before replying.Sometimes, it isn’t. Also regarding your final point - yeah sure it's an imperfect comparison now that I think about it, could have done better, but it got the point across and that's what matters. |
| Admittedly it's a good thing because, the people that read the manga will know if an adaptation fits the vibe, or follows the author vision. It's important people speak up. |
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| I don't see a problem with that, especially if ur making a review and want to give the best rating on how the adaptation was executed objectively. Those who read the review, will be inclined to choose whether to trust the anime or the manga adaptation |
 "Hard work is worthless for those that don’t believe in themselves" - Naruto Uzumaki I rate by enjoyment |
| What I seen not only with manga reader with with this hobby in general is that people are so damn negative about every dang anime almost I quit reading reviews because there is always people just there to complain about a genre they don´t even seam to like. I notice several people on every isekai I watch sit and complain how much they hate Isekai yet tere they are on every new isekai and moan how much they hate it. I use to think gamer´s where the most negative people I ever with there moaning about games left and right "best part is them moaning about a game that´s in early access feeling unfinished well DUH idiot it´s early access ofc it´s not finished you damn muppet" But over the years now being part of MAL and other anime communities anime/manga fans are ever more negative than gamer. Honestly both fan bases just bums me out and makes the hobbies I like depressing. So I say this if you truly hate Isekai or slice of life or Shonen or other so much quit watching and watch the genre you like or is your life so meaningless you fore your self to watch what you hate just so you can make a negative review ?? Oh no it did not follow the manga well movie barely follow the books or games they are based on mostly because you could not fit it all and the budget is would sky rocket which would make anime become or movies become WAY WAY to expensive to make. Having 1 person write novel and mass print or having a few manga artist make a manga is not as expensive as making a anime. write text or make still images always been cheaper than animating and also takes less time. But even if they them self are great art form they are different in scope. If you want a 1 to 1 faithful anime adaption do it your self and see if it´s that damn simple and when you fail and burn the budget out the roof I will be there laughing my ass of. If your gonna make a review be crtial instead of negative and also even if it´s a bad adaption also rate the anime how it is buy it self the anime can still be good even if it´s not a 1 to 1 faithful adaptation and lastly for the love of good if you got nothing good or nice to say just stfu okey you being negative instead of proper creative feed back just make you sound like a whiny A-hole. Yeah I said it 90% of every damn review here sounds like entitled A-holes that think they could make it better them self yet they don´t instead they are just negative and hateful. Like their only goal in life is to make every one else life as miserable as their´s. Go be miserable by your self. |
| I am not concerned with how other people rate anime. |
| instead of how good, most of it turned quite bad, like MahoAko, but at the very least, the story carried it's shitty animation. also fuck the studio or the director that ruined Sasakoi. |
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