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Sep 16, 4:36 PM
#1
How did this become so common? I remember back in the late 90's/early 00's, it was a given that almost anything you read online had to be fact checked multiple times before accepting it as the truth. The internet has complete anonymity and zero accountability (well, most of the time, and certainly in these cases. Yet I see posts all the time making fake claims, then EVERYONE in the comments arguing over it. Hell these days they aren't even fake, they're just not even relevant. Like "one person on twitter thinks Naruto is nonbinary" and EVERYONE starts having a culture war in the comments back and forth about it as if it's canon and "the woke agenda is breaking Japan" or "Kishimoto is a sell out!" What even is this? What are you even doing? I think we really need a bigger push to just stop arguing over nothing online, and only even ENGAGE with a topic if there's actual evidence presented alongside it. And if it even matters. Who cares if some random nobody online thinks Goku should be played by Chris Rock? Why are you even commenting on their opinion? |
Sep 16, 4:49 PM
#2
It's because everybody knows the cake is a lie, the internet said so! Okay in all seriousness, honestly I think you can boil it all down to people just being too lazy to do their own research. So they kind of just go with the flow, I see this so often in the YouTuber influencer community in particularly. |
Sep 16, 4:53 PM
#3
Reply to Retro8bit
It's because everybody knows the cake is a lie, the internet said so!
Okay in all seriousness, honestly I think you can boil it all down to people just being too lazy to do their own research. So they kind of just go with the flow, I see this so often in the YouTuber influencer community in particularly.
Okay in all seriousness, honestly I think you can boil it all down to people just being too lazy to do their own research. So they kind of just go with the flow, I see this so often in the YouTuber influencer community in particularly.
@Retro8bit I kind of see what you're saying, but I don't think people were any less lazy back in the day. Also, isn't it more effort to argue over something that isn't even real? I feel like the lazy option is to just scroll by. |
Sep 16, 4:56 PM
#4
I remember back in the late 90's you were able to make observations of internet culture when you were like 5 years old? or are you just echoing what older people told you later on |
Sep 16, 5:02 PM
#5
Sep 16, 5:13 PM
#6
Reply to XMGA030
I remember back in the late 90's
you were able to make observations of internet culture when you were like 5 years old? or are you just echoing what older people told you later on
@XMGA030 I was online from 1998 - but culture bleeds into the next decade. 90's culture didn't really end until the early 00's, just like 80's culture didn't really end until the early 90's. |
Sep 16, 5:14 PM
#7
Reply to rohan121
You can't believe much of anything you see on corporately/gov run media let alone what you read online. You have to view everything with a critical lense and decide what to believe since the propaganda starts even when we were kids.
@rohan121 Fact check everything - but also be aware of what constitutes a good and bad source. |
Sep 16, 6:06 PM
#8
It became common because people have no interest learning. If you don't like learning you don't like reading, if you don't like reading you can't do research. |
Sep 16, 6:25 PM
#9
Reply to MissHeed
It became common because people have no interest learning. If you don't like learning you don't like reading, if you don't like reading you can't do research.
@MissHeed I don't feel that's exclusive to modern internet though - but if it IS, then the same question applies: why? What changed? |
Sep 16, 6:56 PM
#10
For a lot of people it's easier to them to just accept anything that feels right or has fancy words on it because they don't want to do the booooring job of searching for information and check sources, as long at something feels logical they just accept it, what you descrive in your post feels more like people are ragebaiting more and more, or they make controversial statements just for attention, We humans are social creatures, and sometimes as long as someone listens to us, that is enough to satisfy our desire for interaction, what is the best way to get attention but to stirr up the hornet's nest? |
"I can write anything here no one is gonna read it" - Wendy - |
Sep 16, 7:29 PM
#11
Reply to LifelineByNature
@MissHeed I don't feel that's exclusive to modern internet though - but if it IS, then the same question applies: why? What changed?
@LifelineByNature You're right, I do think the Internet plays a role in that. Also because of comfortability and Bias. |
Sep 16, 7:54 PM
#12
Tiktok has created a new rule for people to question if specific videos or pictures are AI. As those who are not familliar can easily believe in forged or fake content if it looks realistic |
Casual Manga/Manhwa/Manhua Reader |
Sep 16, 9:32 PM
#13
I can only conclude that the people who told me not to believe everything I read are gullible hypocrites who believe everything they read. |
その目だれの目? |
Sep 17, 1:10 AM
#14
You do this if you wanna know if what you see online is real @grok dis true? |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart! |
Sep 17, 1:25 AM
#15
LifelineByNature said: Yet I see posts all the time making fake claims, then EVERYONE in the comments arguing over it. If people didn't do this, then MAL forum would be even more deserted. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
Sep 17, 1:46 AM
#16
I'd say biggest reason is the shift in usage and how widespread the internet is now compared to 25 or so years back. Back then you'd make the conscious choice to hop on the net and do some stuff, but it was far fewer people and even those people that used the net regularly spent only little time there and the majority of their time in real life in real social interactions with friends and family. Also you had to boot up your clunky, slow pc to even start browsing. Nowadays everybody is on the internet and probably the first thing lots of people do is a single tap on their phone each morning to be online. The thing with "believing everything the read online" is just a manifestation of usage. Before that, it was "believing anything you heard some chap talking in the pub". Just another form nowadays, but the same underlying mechanic. People have always been lazy and always will be. |
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Sep 17, 8:06 AM
#17
The difference between back then and now is that a lot of people's social lives these days work online. Back then up to the mid or even late 00s, there was no phone or something constantly notifying you of new messages, texts were limited severly in characters and had to be paid extra, people only really got online for a few hours but still spend most of their social life meeting with other people in person Now when a lot of social interactions start to be mostly online with people you mostly only know online, there comes an effect into play in which people grow more emotionally affected by them. Hence why people end up taking things too seriously even with things that look like trolling. Plus, it seems like the longer immersion with Internet communities has faciliated getting into bubbles with people who think like oneself so instead of having more moderate people trying to get along for the sake of harmony because otherwise there would be no chance at socialization, we get more and more people freely expressing themselves on the one hand, but also having higher standards when it comes to what the other person's mindset should be on the other hand. So the real reason things get more heated these days is because due to a lack of proper bonds in person and a lack of need to moderate coupled with higher standards on the opinions of the other person, people take things too seriously way too early with people they only know through text |
Sep 17, 3:24 PM
#18
"Believing Everything You Read Online" Sounds like a Republican. |
Sep 17, 3:36 PM
#19
Reply to AmityBlight
"Believing Everything You Read Online"
Sounds like a Republican.
Sounds like a Republican.
@AmityBlight Remove "online" and it sounds evangelical. |
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
Sep 17, 3:55 PM
#20
Reply to AmityBlight
"Believing Everything You Read Online"
Sounds like a Republican.
Sounds like a Republican.
@AmityBlight LMFAO xD. It's funnier given the situation. |
Sep 17, 6:22 PM
#21
Reply to Wendy--
For a lot of people it's easier to them to just accept anything that feels right or has fancy words on it because they don't want to do the booooring job of searching for information and check sources, as long at something feels logical they just accept it, what you descrive in your post feels more like people are ragebaiting more and more, or they make controversial statements just for attention, We humans are social creatures, and sometimes as long as someone listens to us, that is enough to satisfy our desire for interaction, what is the best way to get attention but to stirr up the hornet's nest?
@Wendy-- You are true, but I feel like ragebait was common back then, too. Trolls have always existed but I feel we were better at avoiding them before. You are correct that people accept whatever suits their worldview or simply what sounds "nice" to them, but I still feel that critical thinking has become so much less common these days. I might not like someone, but if they say something that makes sense, I won't assume they're wrong just because I disagree with them. I think that's something that's sadly incredibly rare these days. |
Sep 17, 6:23 PM
#22
Reply to SushiSuperLover
Tiktok has created a new rule for people to question if specific videos or pictures are AI.
As those who are not familliar can easily believe in forged or fake content if it looks realistic
As those who are not familliar can easily believe in forged or fake content if it looks realistic
@SushiSuperLover Indeed - but before that, it was fake screenshots. Hell, sometimes it isn't even fake screenshots. It's just "This person said XYZ!", when the person did nothing of the sort. And people just roll with it, refusing any evidence and refusing to front their own evidence. It's madness. |
Sep 17, 6:24 PM
#23
Reply to vasipi4946
@vasipi4946 Grok once told me that ketchup on rice is an acceptable meal - the fiend! /s |
Sep 17, 6:24 PM
#24
Reply to Zarutaku
LifelineByNature said:
Yet I see posts all the time making fake claims, then EVERYONE in the comments arguing over it.
Yet I see posts all the time making fake claims, then EVERYONE in the comments arguing over it.
If people didn't do this, then MAL forum would be even more deserted.
@Zarutaku I think we just need a cultural shift where we can discuss things normally without rage being the catalyst. |
Sep 17, 6:26 PM
#25
Reply to Sajonji
I'd say biggest reason is the shift in usage and how widespread the internet is now compared to 25 or so years back.
Back then you'd make the conscious choice to hop on the net and do some stuff, but it was far fewer people and even those people that used the net regularly spent only little time there and the majority of their time in real life in real social interactions with friends and family. Also you had to boot up your clunky, slow pc to even start browsing.
Nowadays everybody is on the internet and probably the first thing lots of people do is a single tap on their phone each morning to be online.
The thing with "believing everything the read online" is just a manifestation of usage. Before that, it was "believing anything you heard some chap talking in the pub". Just another form nowadays, but the same underlying mechanic. People have always been lazy and always will be.
Back then you'd make the conscious choice to hop on the net and do some stuff, but it was far fewer people and even those people that used the net regularly spent only little time there and the majority of their time in real life in real social interactions with friends and family. Also you had to boot up your clunky, slow pc to even start browsing.
Nowadays everybody is on the internet and probably the first thing lots of people do is a single tap on their phone each morning to be online.
The thing with "believing everything the read online" is just a manifestation of usage. Before that, it was "believing anything you heard some chap talking in the pub". Just another form nowadays, but the same underlying mechanic. People have always been lazy and always will be.
@Sajonji I also agree with this as part of (but not the whole) problem. I actually wrote a few articles on LinkedIn about the modern internet from the perspective of industrial-era sociologists, and it touches on that theme to some degree. But yeah, in brief: more people online, more *access* to the online space, and more centralised social media has been a large part of it. Ironically, the fact you can fact check any time, any place, any way you want should make that less of a problem... |
Sep 17, 6:28 PM
#26
Reply to Noboru
The difference between back then and now is that a lot of people's social lives these days work online. Back then up to the mid or even late 00s, there was no phone or something constantly notifying you of new messages, texts were limited severly in characters and had to be paid extra, people only really got online for a few hours but still spend most of their social life meeting with other people in person
Now when a lot of social interactions start to be mostly online with people you mostly only know online, there comes an effect into play in which people grow more emotionally affected by them. Hence why people end up taking things too seriously even with things that look like trolling. Plus, it seems like the longer immersion with Internet communities has faciliated getting into bubbles with people who think like oneself so instead of having more moderate people trying to get along for the sake of harmony because otherwise there would be no chance at socialization, we get more and more people freely expressing themselves on the one hand, but also having higher standards when it comes to what the other person's mindset should be on the other hand. So the real reason things get more heated these days is because due to a lack of proper bonds in person and a lack of need to moderate coupled with higher standards on the opinions of the other person, people take things too seriously way too early with people they only know through text
Now when a lot of social interactions start to be mostly online with people you mostly only know online, there comes an effect into play in which people grow more emotionally affected by them. Hence why people end up taking things too seriously even with things that look like trolling. Plus, it seems like the longer immersion with Internet communities has faciliated getting into bubbles with people who think like oneself so instead of having more moderate people trying to get along for the sake of harmony because otherwise there would be no chance at socialization, we get more and more people freely expressing themselves on the one hand, but also having higher standards when it comes to what the other person's mindset should be on the other hand. So the real reason things get more heated these days is because due to a lack of proper bonds in person and a lack of need to moderate coupled with higher standards on the opinions of the other person, people take things too seriously way too early with people they only know through text
@Noboru I agree in some ways, but I think with net access being so easy now, we should be able to fact check things even easier. Instead, we've reached a compounding effect where people need to think and speak faster and faster than before. You can access the information quicker, so you need to opine quicker. No time to check, just regurgitate. The lack of proper bonds is also a good point - and also, as a result, the lack of empathy for other people. Folk don't view other people as humans these days, and it's really obvious in how they speak to others (or about the misfortune of others). |
Sep 17, 6:31 PM
#27
Reply to AmityBlight
"Believing Everything You Read Online"
Sounds like a Republican.
Sounds like a Republican.
@AmityBlight Making it partisan is weird, especially when the entire world isn't the US. But actually, studies have shown that Democrat voters have a much lower tolerance for critical thought, and a much tighter sphere of opinions compared to Republicans. https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjso.12665 Which would lead them to being more susceptible to believing everything they read which aligns with those specific viewpoints (and honestly? it's very obvious online). The ultimate irony being that the Democrats are a right-wing party anyway, so it's really just fans of two right wing parties bashing each other on the internet for no reason while the rich folk that donate to both parties laugh their way to the bank. :D That said - I replied because it'd be rude not to, but I don't believe that politics need be relevant to this discussion. It isn't an issue localised to any one group of people, and I think needlessly politicising things (especially worldwide topics being related purely to the mess that is American politics) is beyond disingenuous and merely detracts from the rational discussion that needs to take place. |
Sep 17, 6:41 PM
#28
@LifelineByNature It was just a joke Lol. Nah Republicans are worst. Sorry to go off topic. |
Sep 17, 6:43 PM
#29
Reply to AmityBlight
@AmityBlight I'd say both are the same, but these days it seems like the polarity is shifting in the opposite direction. What you're saying *used* to be correct, but no longer is. But again, it's off topic, let's not get the thread nuked for rulebreaking. |
Sep 17, 7:08 PM
#30
@LifelineByNature Definitely don't wanna lock it lol. I hate all that politics stuff. Funny all the stuff I been seeing lately. Answer your question I agree with MissHeed and Rohan. I fact check everything, Research everything then I find evidence then I'll believe it. |
Sep 17, 7:35 PM
#31
Reply to AmityBlight
@LifelineByNature Definitely don't wanna lock it lol. I hate all that politics stuff. Funny all the stuff I been seeing lately.
Answer your question I agree with MissHeed and Rohan. I fact check everything, Research everything then I find evidence then I'll believe it.
Answer your question I agree with MissHeed and Rohan. I fact check everything, Research everything then I find evidence then I'll believe it.
@AmityBlight Yeah, it's unfortunate all around. I think that's the right approach - and it's unfortunate that it isn't the common approach. Even worse are people who can't tell legitimate sources - or misattribute the information they DO receive from legitimate sources because they lack the underpinning to understand it properly. |
Sep 18, 12:17 AM
#32
Sep 18, 12:42 AM
#33
Reply to Zarutaku
That would probably result in less engagement, though.
@Zarutaku I don't agree. People crave engagement anyway, that won't change. It'd just mean less engagement is focused on specific areas and into specific groups of peoples' platforms (which is a bonus for everyone). |
Sep 18, 6:10 AM
#34
Reply to LifelineByNature
@Noboru I agree in some ways, but I think with net access being so easy now, we should be able to fact check things even easier. Instead, we've reached a compounding effect where people need to think and speak faster and faster than before. You can access the information quicker, so you need to opine quicker. No time to check, just regurgitate.
The lack of proper bonds is also a good point - and also, as a result, the lack of empathy for other people. Folk don't view other people as humans these days, and it's really obvious in how they speak to others (or about the misfortune of others).
The lack of proper bonds is also a good point - and also, as a result, the lack of empathy for other people. Folk don't view other people as humans these days, and it's really obvious in how they speak to others (or about the misfortune of others).
@LifelineByNature The issue with "fact check" is that people seem to have forgotten how to use their common sense and instead trust in some sort of authority even if it turns out that that very "authority" has lied. Otherwise, the whole circus from 2020 to 2022-2023 couldn't have happened. But yes, you can say that there is more pressure to position yourself, too It's potentially harder to properly feel into the shoes of other people when you can't even see their expressions in person. There's also the thing that socialization used to also be more about just being and doing things together if and when needed, like with renovations and such, in which cases it wasn't really useful to behave antagonistic to others when their help could be useful. If it's just online, then it seems like people can be easily replaced as soon as they stop being entertaining or don't seem to be on the same wavelength anymore. That's the crucial difference here |
Sep 18, 6:22 AM
#35
im sure most become a victim of fake news too myself included its just the nature of the internet right now so all we can do is become more cautious and less wrong |
Yesterday, 1:59 AM
#36
Reply to Noboru
@LifelineByNature The issue with "fact check" is that people seem to have forgotten how to use their common sense and instead trust in some sort of authority even if it turns out that that very "authority" has lied. Otherwise, the whole circus from 2020 to 2022-2023 couldn't have happened. But yes, you can say that there is more pressure to position yourself, too
It's potentially harder to properly feel into the shoes of other people when you can't even see their expressions in person. There's also the thing that socialization used to also be more about just being and doing things together if and when needed, like with renovations and such, in which cases it wasn't really useful to behave antagonistic to others when their help could be useful. If it's just online, then it seems like people can be easily replaced as soon as they stop being entertaining or don't seem to be on the same wavelength anymore. That's the crucial difference here
It's potentially harder to properly feel into the shoes of other people when you can't even see their expressions in person. There's also the thing that socialization used to also be more about just being and doing things together if and when needed, like with renovations and such, in which cases it wasn't really useful to behave antagonistic to others when their help could be useful. If it's just online, then it seems like people can be easily replaced as soon as they stop being entertaining or don't seem to be on the same wavelength anymore. That's the crucial difference here
@Noboru The whole circus from 2020-2023 happened because instead of actually just twiddling their thumbs for a month until the virus died off, folk couldn't stop breaking curfew. That's the unfortunate reality. Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc. |
Yesterday, 2:00 AM
#37
Reply to deg
im sure most become a victim of fake news too myself included its just the nature of the internet right now so all we can do is become more cautious and less wrong
@deg I agree. It is the nature of the internet, so that's why factchecking is so important. Snopes.com is a great site, but they don't cover everything. |
Yesterday, 2:03 AM
#38
I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING!!! Except for what RainyEvenings says, he is my role model. |
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Yesterday, 2:27 AM
#39
Part of it is because most of such replies are bots, and part of it is because of the replies that are from real people, a lot of people are just too lazy to fact-check things. There is a political angle to it as well because a startling number of people will reject any piece of information that does not fit their worldview; here the issue is not that people are too lazy to fact-check, but that they simply reject information that doesn't confirm their bias. Why would they care about facts if they've already decided that the facts are wrong? |
Yesterday, 2:39 AM
#40
Reply to Purple_Gh0st24
Part of it is because most of such replies are bots, and part of it is because of the replies that are from real people, a lot of people are just too lazy to fact-check things. There is a political angle to it as well because a startling number of people will reject any piece of information that does not fit their worldview; here the issue is not that people are too lazy to fact-check, but that they simply reject information that doesn't confirm their bias. Why would they care about facts if they've already decided that the facts are wrong?
@Purple_Gh0st24 100%. They've proven that many of these pages are bots/social media centres in India and the like, and there's also been released CIA documents confirming that they engage in the same kind of social media manipulation "but totally only in other countries guys honest". |
Yesterday, 9:46 AM
#41
Reply to LifelineByNature
@Noboru The whole circus from 2020-2023 happened because instead of actually just twiddling their thumbs for a month until the virus died off, folk couldn't stop breaking curfew. That's the unfortunate reality.
Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc.
Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc.
@LifelineByNature The curfew was already way too late in 2020. It should have happened in Fall/Autumn 2018 at latest, or even before, since it's been clear for a while that it must have started around August 2019 based on movement data and there should have been travel restrictions with the country of origin and stricter regulations from the getgo. Else, it was already known pretty early that the pathogenity is rather low, that there is a thing called "cross-immunity" with other common cold viruses and that it was a seasonal virus that pretty much magically disappeared in the summer when there was lots of UV light edit: @XMGA030: I didn't lol. Read my signature more closely |
Noboru10 hours ago
Yesterday, 10:05 AM
#42
My favorite moments is when people argue about AI generated image or about AIgenerated article. Humanity is cooked 💀 |
Yesterday, 4:15 PM
#43
In fact, I think this is becoming less common. |
Today, 2:21 AM
#44
Reply to Kwanthemaster
In fact, I think this is becoming less common.
@Kwanthemaster I want to hope that exposure to so much AI will bring us back round to "don't believe everything you see online" but so far, it hasn't reduced noticeably yet. |
Today, 4:20 AM
#45
@Noboru @LifelineByNature so I guess you two took the clot shot? 🤭 |
10 hours ago
#46
I've said this before and I'll say it again; instead of opening peoples minds up and making them smarter, the internet has greatly contributed to making people dumber. I just saw a video titled "How Spongebob made us woke" or something along those lines, and instead of thinking it might be some sort of satire, my first thought was "the fuck is wrong with people?", because I 100% believe someone would watch a show about a talking sponge who grills burgers and lives in a pineapple and come to the conclusion it's pushing some sort of agenda these days. And I believe people would watch that video and completely buy into it whether it was a serious video or not. |
FanofAction10 hours ago
10 hours ago
#47
Reply to LifelineByNature
@Noboru The whole circus from 2020-2023 happened because instead of actually just twiddling their thumbs for a month until the virus died off, folk couldn't stop breaking curfew. That's the unfortunate reality.
Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc.
Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc.
LifelineByNature said: The whole circus from 2020-2023 happened because instead of actually just twiddling their thumbs for a month until the virus died off, folk couldn't stop breaking curfew. That's the unfortunate reality. Perhaps you should rethink your strategy if your solution is an unenforcable "curfew." LifelineByNature said: Scientific illiteracy is also to blame, to be fair - folk continually try to bring up "but they changed their minds!" as if that's not exactly how safeguarding works in the first place. It's almost like most of these people have never worked in a professional setting at all: which, for the most part, is exactly correc. In other words, scientists said things that were wrong. |
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