Why are people complaining about this anime?

It being an alternate universe isn't the problem, the problem is the show has bad pacing and yes, the original Gundam series may have also had bad pacing but I don't think that's an excuse. This is a new entry, 50 years later. It should have learned from the mistakes of the past and improved upon them. This show is doing too much with too little time and it's suffering because of it.

I mean, how are original Gundam fans even supposed to enjoy it if it's just a collection of throwaway references?
"Wow it's the Psychogundam! It's so cool to see it again!" and then cheer when it explodes 5 minutes later.
"Wow it's Gihren! I can't wait to see him and Kycilia's struggle for power!" and then cheer when he dies 5 minutes later

Either it should have focused on the clan battles with Machu, Nyaan and Shuji as well as exploring the aftermath of the Zeon/Federation war or it should have focused on Challia, Char and Kycilia and the power struggle in the wake of it. Trying to do both at once while also mixing in some multiverse elements was a recipe for disaster and ultimately I feel the show has no stakes because I barely care about any of the characters nor the state of the universe.

Ah yes, that's a very compelling argument. "My ancestor was even more corrupt than I am, so me being less corrupt should make me more appealing to the public". Bad writing should be less atrocious with less bad writing? That's your whole defense?

How are some fans so blind they can't acknowledge their mental gymnastics don't work when the most basic shred of logic needs to be placed on the table?

@Kimurah How are some people so bad at comprehension? Or did you just wanna argue for the sake of it?

The point isnt "on is less bad so it is fine" the point is that some fans treat the old ones as peak writing when many times they were even worse than what modern Gundam, any modern Gundam was. They act as if the reputation and legacy has been tarnished.

GQuuux isn't perfect or even great. It has many problems on its own. But OLD FANS, which is where most "knowledgeable" criticism comes from, acting like it does something in a bad way compared to old series isnt a winning argument.

You all came to a mecha show that, despite its message, has always been of questionable quality for 45 years, and you act surprised when it is more of the same, especially the UC series, which holy shit as someone relatively new to it, I swear most people actually hate until a new one comes out.

Oh, the what if spin off show relies mostly nostalgia and references most people wont even get? Damn that's crazy. Better complain how this show doesnt have the quality writing nobody actually expected it to have.

Why do anime fans try so hard to look smart on a freaking model kit show?

Characters makes as much sense as they always had, well actually more, and the show is fun.

Same bullshit was happening when Witch was airing. Everyone kept trashing it with BS arguments. GQuuux actually has problems, by comparison, but holy fuck the hate is so forced.

@ssjokg Not really, WfM is awful almost on all fronts, the last ~4 TV series were pretty bad, and there are tons of mistakes in GquuuuuX without comparing it to anything. It's just specifically trashing OG characters for fun — additionally bad. Which happened in ZZ, Destiny, etc. as well.
Overall, I'd say, there is a simple rule — if someone is complaining and it sounds ~adequate, there is a problem. If TONS of people are complaining — there is a huge problem.

@notense

If WFM is awful then Zeta is absolute trash.

You are right, if TONS of people are complaining there is a huge problem.

@ssjokg Zeta is the best one from Gundam, not counting Unicorn which has like x10 budget. You're just delusional, bro, keep those trashy thoughts to yourself.

It's fun for you, but it's obviously not so fun for others.



I liked Witch and I also thought it was overheated. But it's the people's choice to dislike it (there were tons of us who liked it though). You didn't see us acting as gatekeepers on what's allowed to like or dislike about a fictional work on discussion forums, do you? This current season's Lazarus falls down under a similar situation, the critics are a lot harsher on this one, specially because it doesn't come with the nostalgia glasses.




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People complain about everything.


Except that, somehow. I highly doubt this new anime is any worse than Unicorn.

I mean, both the main characters motivations are this one boy they talked at like 3 times ever who spoke existential nonsense the entire time. This was enough for them to kill people and enough for nyaan to blow up the earth if she hadn't been stopped. How else am I supposed to take that? These characters don't even know why they are doing what they are doing anymore. All the newtypes seemed to just...intuit how the multiverse works because of minovsky particles and intuit basically everything else as well. Psychic cheat powers are the worst part of UC gundam and they decided to turn it up to 11 and make the entire plot revolve around it. That way, instead of having to write why anybody knows or does anything they just play the newtype sound and we go "ah, newtypes".

@ssjokg Not really, WfM is awful almost on all fronts, the last ~4 TV series were pretty bad, and there are tons of mistakes in GquuuuuX without comparing it to anything. It's just specifically trashing OG characters for fun — additionally bad. Which happened in ZZ, Destiny, etc. as well.
Overall, I'd say, there is a simple rule — if someone is complaining and it sounds ~adequate, there is a problem. If TONS of people are complaining — there is a huge problem.

Uuh, what's the reason not to include AGE here?

In my opinion the show was enjoyable and fun but, at many had pointed out, is due to the references and the visuals

This show is junk food, which is sad when you realized the ingredient it was wasted to cooked this (Zeon winning the war and Char piloting the Gundam) and that is something fair to be angry or disappointed about

Also the fact that this turn into Evangelion by the last 2 episodes was super fun but totally out of nowhere. I have only watch the 0079 Gundam Movies (I need to get enough free time and fuel on the tank to go throw the whole OG Series up to ZZ) but even I knew Newtypes aren´t warping reality entities

Plus the bait and switch with Lalah, for me, was cool because is not the Lalah from the OG Timeline but one from another timeline, that again can see why some people would get mad about it

To which G-Cucks is downright terrible. It might not be the worst Gundam in history (still debatable), but it definitely earned it's place as a terrible trainwreck with nothing but asspulls and tons of "fill in the gaps by the audience" on piss poor storytelling. Not to mention, that the only thing holding it together was the nostalgia factor.



Witch from Mercury had basic but good direction and character writing most of its running time. Like someone else said in a previous post, Witch was mostly focused on family and how it affected most of the cast, Myorine living at the shadow of her oppressive father, Zuletta being a project from Prospera, and even Jetturk finding it's own way neglecting his legacy. The last quarter of the series definitely feels rushed, but in terms of character writing and plot progression for most of it's run time was really well done. Unlike G-Cucks where it's main cast have the personality of a cardboard cutout with no aspirations or direction, lets not even go into details on how the story is just pushed forward on nothing but nostalgia factor rather than a well weaved story.




You're telling me that Char going from a Gundam pilot to some nuclear scientist in a few years (or it's equivalent) that built in secret a doomsday device isn't an asspull? How about Nyaan being ejected by the G-Fred and caught by Shuji's arm completely unharmed at such great speeds and force. How about Xavier that miraculously knew where Nyaan was in dire danger because Emilio was an actual spy that nobody but the most brilliant detective like Nyaan uncovered with a single question about cakes. Or the magical Gundam that grew ten times it's size because...



You've got some actually documented poll with real numbers about a 99% of it's audience watching it just because for the yuri? Or are you talking out of your ass? You have nothing and you're just barfing numbers arbitrarily. Hard to take your angry rant seriously with such bogus data.



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@Kimurah So yeah, you are completely crazy....

First of all, GQuuuuuuX is equivalent to EVA in quality and style. I wonder if it was like that during EVA's release(Death threats showcased during End of EVA). Were staff also rolling out of laughter, reading "fans" messages? Actually, people hating on GQuuuuuuX can be named "false newtypes", or "enhanced humans"...

You cannot recognize a bajillion of mistakes in WfM. Witch was focused on Twitter hype, throwing away cliffhangers episode after episode. And SJWs are simply lying in echo chambers about it, just like lying about everything in their lives. BTW, can you tell me why Suletta wasn't prepared by Prospera as a weapon prior to going to school? I just want to hear your explanation.

Nyan and Xavier made a plan beforehand, it was showcased. Gundam is a reference to...depends on how "true" a newtype you are...

Yes, we have documented info that WfM was made for a "modern western audience" and successfully baited them into watching, and females too, obviously.





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@notense


That's actually really simple, it's explained quite clearly in the show itself. Prospera's plan did not initially call for the violence that followed. Her original plan was actually:


That's why Suletta was never prepared as a weapon, she was never meant to be. While Prospera loved Suletta to some degree, at the end of the day she was just a disposable pawn in her grand plan, Prospera had no real use for her outside of the dueling game.

To which G-Cucks is downright terrible. It might not be the worst Gundam in history (still debatable), but it definitely earned it's place as a terrible trainwreck with nothing but asspulls and tons of "fill in the gaps by the audience" on piss poor storytelling. Not to mention, that the only thing holding it together was the nostalgia factor.



Witch from Mercury had basic but good direction and character writing most of its running time. Like someone else said in a previous post, Witch was mostly focused on family and how it affected most of the cast, Myorine living at the shadow of her oppressive father, Zuletta being a project from Prospera, and even Jetturk finding it's own way neglecting his legacy. The last quarter of the series definitely feels rushed, but in terms of character writing and plot progression for most of it's run time was really well done. Unlike G-Cucks where it's main cast have the personality of a cardboard cutout with no aspirations or direction, lets not even go into details on how the story is just pushed forward on nothing but nostalgia factor rather than a well weaved story.




You're telling me that Char going from a Gundam pilot to some nuclear scientist in a few years (or it's equivalent) that built in secret a doomsday device isn't an asspull? How about Nyaan being ejected by the G-Fred and caught by Shuji's arm completely unharmed at such great speeds and force. How about Xavier that miraculously knew where Nyaan was in dire danger because Emilio was an actual spy that nobody but the most brilliant detective like Nyaan uncovered with a single question about cakes. Or the magical Gundam that grew ten times it's size because...



You've got some actually documented poll with real numbers about a 99% of it's audience watching it just because for the yuri? Or are you talking out of your ass? You have nothing and you're just barfing numbers arbitrarily. Hard to take your angry rant seriously with such bogus data.



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@Kimurah Dude, no need to be agressive. First, I don't need to show you a "documented poll" to explain something so obvious, it's like asking for proof for saying the sky is blue. Most people who like TWFM only watched it for the yuri and nothing more, do you even remember the death threats against Sunrise at the end? very few watched it for other things. While its true what you mentioned about the family, most people weren't paying attention for such themes, they were more interesed in both female characters being married at the end of the series and yuri scenes.

Actually the yuri stuff is the only thing everyone remember TWFM now, its rare if someone remember only TWFM for the Gundam unique aspect, the school setting or even the opening. A strong series will be remembered for important stuff like GQuuuuuuX is going to be rememebered for being the first explicit what if UC, constant references and Evangelion inspiration, not because the female characters. I wasn't when GQuuuuuuX was airing but you can read from the thread discussions or even social media, a lot of people were for the yuri between the female characters but started to hate it when they were in love with the same guy.

Gundam was never a top-tier quality series in general, it wasn't in the 80s and 90s and they are not going to be except, at least from my part, from this show. So your examples can be answered just looking at the original show logic, Char won't be able to join the Zeon Army without people knowing his true identity which in fact, Kycilia realized it but she doesn't care. The Origin explination wasn't necessary in my opinion and its a bit convenient. In this Anime, I assumed Char was a nuclear scientist assistant rather than a full-nuclear scientist like the other two people so I alwayas assumed he just secretly changed the inner working of the machine to make the Rose of Sharon disappear from their worlds rather what are you claiming. He could do such things since he was under other alias, other appareance, he wasn't fully in charge and obviously having other personality to avoid people suspecting him. How Xavier knew where Nyaan was in danger is left to interpretation, either remember he's a Newtype too so he could felt it or Nyaan asking him about the cake, the scene was cut on purpose so we don't know what happened so most likely Nyaan told Xavier about the possible poison in the cake but he didn't believe her so he went there to realize she was correct. Or better an combination of both things. The other 3 "mistakes" are just Newtype things...

Edit: why tf you mention US politics here? I'm not even American. The world doesn't revolves around US and such comparasion is out of place lol. TWFM isn't the first show of being popular only for the yuri. A lot of Anime are popular for animation, ships, openings, etc. I have no idea of why complaining about TWFM having a higher score is comparable to America politics? What.

@ToumaTachibana I like how you're truly don't understand how pathetic you make Gquuuuuux look here.

"All people remember about WFM is the relationship between it's main characters! But people will remember Gquuuuuux for referencing other sfuff!".

Do you really not get it?

@JewelRunner Go to watch Anime first. Do you really not get it?

Also, you're saying things I never said. I said ppl only remember WFM for the yuri, not for the plot, themes or characters. Same shit with Mirai Nikki with the yandere. Gquuuuuux's main characters are far from being bad but for people who already watched the UC Gundam already like me are originally for the references and how an alternative UC take place with new characters. I don't have issues with the main characters, in fact their development is very good, so stop saying things I never said.



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It says so much how people who defend Gquuuuuux can never do so by actually defending the series on it's own merits, it's jut "look at what this other thing did!".

@Kimurah So yeah, you are completely crazy....

First of all, GQuuuuuuX is equivalent to EVA in quality and style. I wonder if it was like that during EVA's release(Death threats showcased during End of EVA). Were staff also rolling out of laughter, reading "fans" messages? Actually, people hating on GQuuuuuuX can be named "false newtypes", or "enhanced humans"...

You cannot recognize a bajillion of mistakes in WfM. Witch was focused on Twitter hype, throwing away cliffhangers episode after episode. And SJWs are simply lying in echo chambers about it, just like lying about everything in their lives. BTW, can you tell me why Suletta wasn't prepared by Prospera as a weapon prior to going to school? I just want to hear your explanation.

Nyan and Xavier made a plan beforehand, it was showcased. Gundam is a reference to...depends on how "true" a newtype you are...

Yes, we have documented info that WfM was made for a "modern western audience" and successfully baited them into watching, and females too, obviously.





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@notense

Yeah... no. This anime is nowhere near the 10th of the original or remakes' quality in every aspect. Eva is full of well developed characters. It was brimming with it. Every episode is worth disecting and analyzing. The lore was deep and original and doesn't rely on nostalgia. The themes are dark and mature. The opening legendary.

Seriously Evangelion is incomparable and to do so with this anime is a crime worthy of a colony drop.