Our Last Crusade or the Rise of a New World (light novel)
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| Ugh, the Imperial Army. The episode was tense given how fast events moved since the previous episode. Iska and the others were fighting for survival. I also do think Alice may be carrying too much on her shoulders this season, or at least this episode. Also hard to say exactly what Elletear's endgame goals are but she definitely has some complex ideology froming from her end. |
Stark700May 15, 5:05 AM
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| At this point, Alice still thought that the outsiders were the cause of the uprising, not the internal factions like her older sister and the Hydra family. I hope she will know the truth very soon. |
真姫ちゃん！ 何が好き？ トマト よりも あ･な･た♡  |
| It's funny how Aliceliese is very similar to Millavair, especially with her behavior. The phrase about paradise is funny, especially when you have three daughters, but the most talented one you don't put in anything because her astral spirit is weak, what to speak about ordinary people not of royal blood. So it's quite easy to understand Elletear's logic. |
| Apparently Aniplus cut the last 3-8 seconds of previous episode for commercial, which led me questioning why the castle is suddenly burning here lol. |
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Wasn’t the purpose of the delay of the show to improve or uphold the animation quality of season 1/ ep 1 of this season? I feel like it’s the same if not worse, the characters look like claymation models and it’s extremely annoying.
I also feel as if the story is moving so unbelievably quickly that it’s kind of a drag to try and focus on what’s going on. 2 episodes ago we arrived at the vacation house now we are destroying the palace and fighting the queen? So disappointing considering the delay and it seems it was all for no reason.
I also feel as if the story is moving so unbelievably quickly that it’s kind of a drag to try and focus on what’s going on. 2 episodes ago we arrived at the vacation house now we are destroying the palace and fighting the queen? So disappointing considering the delay and it seems it was all for no reason.
| @racism0 The delay had nothing to with the pacing of the show, in fact sometimes the pacing can just be the fault of the source material. I agree that while the animation quality this episode, wasn't great, it's far better than it would've been had the episode released unfinished, I mean just look at the "original" episode 2 vs the redone version, I can't go back to watching Alice's face change every single frame after watching the new version. Plus I think the biggest issue is Lord Talisman, for whatever reason they seem to animate and draw him oddly, it's a consistent thing too. Basically every frame he's in he's drawn oddly or "off" shaped and the other characters aren't. |
| I like to watch some anime, I like to talk about some anime, I dislike wars over some anime, but more than anything I love to live my life, anime is an enjoyable and entertaining addition onto my life but it's not my whole life. |
| Wait this show is back????! Holy shit I was just talking last month about how I wonder if the studio had just abandoned it. I’ve obviously forgot pretty much everything that happened in the first few eps as it’s been over a year since the production pause, BUT no doubt the quality looks 1000x better. Episode 5 looked slightly better than 6, but both are massive upgrades. Story seems to be moving at a breakneck pace, but I do remember being extremely sus on Elletear, so her being a traitor and starting this false flag operation with the imperial army attacking the sovereignty comes as no surprise. The question is why? Did she really agree to all of this because she has weak astral arts and just wanted to see the current system destroyed?! I can understand her feeling insecure, but jeez most people go to therapy not set their family up to get killed/captured lol What do they mean by “purify” the world? Are they just gonna wipe out everyone and start from scratch? That’s bleak. I just feel like the motivations are a bit lacking here. Betrayal definitely the big theme of the arc though. Even growley’s own guy tried taking him out! Hopefully the rest of the episodes look as good as these first two did and the villain motivations are fleshed out. I did miss Sisbell and Alice on my screen 😂 |
Marinate1016May 15, 1:47 PM
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| Some are complaining about the pacing, but it’s completely fine imo, they’ve been setting up this attack on the Queen for pretty much this whole season, and Talisman and his Hydra boys have been set up as villains for also the whole season lol, I’m not sure what people mean by fast pace. And this was a pretty exciting episode, things definitely reached a boiling point with the Imperial Army laying waste to the Sovereignty and Talisman taking on Iska, we didn’t get any true fights yet but everything is set up for next episode to be action packed, I hope the studios cooked after all this time. And we did get a bit of the enemy’s goal, Talisman we just have a rough idea that he wants to “purify” the planet and get the Empire’s help to reach the core, pretty cool sounding but I wanna know why lol, I’m sure we’ll get the why soon. And with Elletear we finally learned why she’s betrayed her family, and it’s because she sees the “paradise” of astral mages being an impossible feat, and it’s because of her own experience in being pushed aside for her “weak” astral art, definitely an understandable motivation but I wonder if it’s impossible for her mind to be changed yet, I have a feeling Alice and Sisbell will probably try to. And lastly, I just wanna say how I’m happy to finally see an actual war happening, during the first season there were times it didn’t feel like these two nations were at war, well this is pretty much exactly what I wanted to see lol, I’m especially interested in seeing what these Saint Disciples are capable of with them all being new minus Risya and Nameless. |
| this anime is kinda underrated icl |
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MewsicMagic said:
@racism0 The delay had nothing to with the pacing of the show, in fact sometimes the pacing can just be the fault of the source material. I agree that while the animation quality this episode, wasn't great, it's far better than it would've been had the episode released unfinished, I mean just look at the "original" episode 2 vs the redone version, I can't go back to watching Alice's face change every single frame after watching the new version.
Plus I think the biggest issue is Lord Talisman, for whatever reason they seem to animate and draw him oddly, it's a consistent thing too. Basically every frame he's in he's drawn oddly or "off" shaped and the other characters aren't.
@racism0 The delay had nothing to with the pacing of the show, in fact sometimes the pacing can just be the fault of the source material. I agree that while the animation quality this episode, wasn't great, it's far better than it would've been had the episode released unfinished, I mean just look at the "original" episode 2 vs the redone version, I can't go back to watching Alice's face change every single frame after watching the new version.
Plus I think the biggest issue is Lord Talisman, for whatever reason they seem to animate and draw him oddly, it's a consistent thing too. Basically every frame he's in he's drawn oddly or "off" shaped and the other characters aren't.
I know the pacing isn’t the delays fault I never said that I just said the pacing is awful, plus I rewatched the old episodes and then the remade ones , barely any difference other then for Alice. And i do not think it’s way better after they had almost a year to fix it but every character looks smooth faced? I don’t know how to even describe how the characters look because the animation is so odd.
| @racism0 I think the issue is more so this show having a poorly thought out plot, there's so many logic holes with the plot in S1 and S2 and many of the supposedly smart characters constantly do stupid things, like how in S1 Iska was ready to strangle Sisbell to death when she entered his room in the middle of the night, which is what you should do when you're in territory with "uncertain" safety and someone unknown gets in your room. And now he's just sleeping in enemy territory with 3 girls and the only thing in his head is "ALICE IS NEXT TO ME IN BED OMG", did it ever cross his mind that it would be a good idea to instead be in a room with his "trustworthy" comrades and take turns keeping watch during the night when sleeping in a Villa owned and filled with maids serving the Sovereignty princesses? Did they seriously not have concerns about their own safety when they sleep regardless of whether or not Elletear actually intended to treat them as guests or not? Not to mention how obviously suspicious Elletear's actions are by forcing them to go to the Villa instead of straight to the palace and how they just let her go back to the palace first herself, did they not consider her very possible motives for doing so? Maybe I'm just being a little too harsh on this series as I wish a serious plot about a conflict like this would be taken a bit more seriously. It just feels like half the time this show is sidetracked by it's romance and the other half the time it struggles with making a plot that can actually deliver a serious conflict without Iska just throwing his ideals out there and then proceed to contradict them and make basically 0 effort to actually realize his ideals for the conflict. And at least for now Elletear's motive is completely nonsensical too, like they haven't really gone over WHY she would want to just destroy her own country and if they don't bother to later then this whole thing going on at the capital right now is just a plot device with no meaning behind it. For now I'm just gonna assume she's somehow gone crazy for 0 reason and that's that. |
MewsicMagicMay 15, 11:27 PM
| I like to watch some anime, I like to talk about some anime, I dislike wars over some anime, but more than anything I love to live my life, anime is an enjoyable and entertaining addition onto my life but it's not my whole life. |
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MewsicMagic said:
@racism0 I think the issue is more so this show having a poorly thought out plot, there's so many logic holes with the plot in S1 and S2 and many of the supposedly smart characters constantly do stupid things, like how in S1 Iska was ready to strangle Sisbell to death when she entered his room in the middle of the night, which is what you should do when you're in territory with "uncertain" safety and someone unknown gets in your room. And now he's just sleeping in enemy territory with 3 girls and the only thing in his head is "ALICE IS NEXT TO ME IN BED OMG", did it ever cross his mind that it would be a good idea to instead be in a room with his "trustworthy" comrades and take turns keeping watch during the night when sleeping in a Villa owned and filled with maids serving the Sovereignty princesses? Did they seriously not have concerns about their own safety when they sleep regardless of whether or not Elletear actually intended to treat them as guests or not? Not to mention how obviously suspicious Elletear's actions are by forcing them to go to the Villa instead of straight to the palace and how they just let her go back to the palace first herself, did they not consider her very possible motives for doing so?
Maybe I'm just being a little too harsh on this series as I wish a serious plot about a conflict like this would be taken a bit more seriously. It just feels like half the time this show is sidetracked by it's romance and the other half the time it struggles with making a plot that can actually deliver a serious conflict without Iska just throwing his ideals out there and then proceed to contradict them and make basically 0 effort to actually realize his ideals for the conflict.
And at least for now Elletear's motive is completely nonsensical too, like they haven't really gone over WHY she would want to just destroy her own country and if they don't bother to later then this whole thing going on at the capital right now is just a plot device with no meaning behind it. For now I'm just gonna assume she's somehow gone crazy for 0 reason and that's that.
@racism0 I think the issue is more so this show having a poorly thought out plot, there's so many logic holes with the plot in S1 and S2 and many of the supposedly smart characters constantly do stupid things, like how in S1 Iska was ready to strangle Sisbell to death when she entered his room in the middle of the night, which is what you should do when you're in territory with "uncertain" safety and someone unknown gets in your room. And now he's just sleeping in enemy territory with 3 girls and the only thing in his head is "ALICE IS NEXT TO ME IN BED OMG", did it ever cross his mind that it would be a good idea to instead be in a room with his "trustworthy" comrades and take turns keeping watch during the night when sleeping in a Villa owned and filled with maids serving the Sovereignty princesses? Did they seriously not have concerns about their own safety when they sleep regardless of whether or not Elletear actually intended to treat them as guests or not? Not to mention how obviously suspicious Elletear's actions are by forcing them to go to the Villa instead of straight to the palace and how they just let her go back to the palace first herself, did they not consider her very possible motives for doing so?
Maybe I'm just being a little too harsh on this series as I wish a serious plot about a conflict like this would be taken a bit more seriously. It just feels like half the time this show is sidetracked by it's romance and the other half the time it struggles with making a plot that can actually deliver a serious conflict without Iska just throwing his ideals out there and then proceed to contradict them and make basically 0 effort to actually realize his ideals for the conflict.
And at least for now Elletear's motive is completely nonsensical too, like they haven't really gone over WHY she would want to just destroy her own country and if they don't bother to later then this whole thing going on at the capital right now is just a plot device with no meaning behind it. For now I'm just gonna assume she's somehow gone crazy for 0 reason and that's that.
Agreed, season 1s pacing wasn’t great but at least what the characters and what was happening made sense, I’m also tired of people accepting being fed sloppy anime’s and being happy with it. Silver link has made many good anime’s with decent pacing and animation and it seems this was just a pure failure. Also, they have been setting up elletear being evil from season 1 I guess be it very small amounts. They more have been setting up the masked man to be the main bad guy and suddenly he wants to stop the empire from being destroyed? Unless they dedicate 2 or so eps on what has happened to lead up to them deciding to destroy and overrule the queen and how they executed it this show is a disaster.
| @racism0 I don't think Lord Mask ever intended to help the empire he was just "framed" by Elletear, his house of Zoa were always the "extremist" group in the Sovereignty that wanted the empire gone at all costs hence the "extremist" name. I think in this episode where he said "I had planned for this crimson flower to bloom in the Empire, but you beat us to it. That is what's dissapointing." while looking over the flames in the Sovereignty meant that he had planned to burn down the empire like this before they got to them first. This show just likes to make the characters talk to each other before they fight it out like most anime do so it feels off when he's speaking to Risya about that. Either way the rest of what you said is spot on, Elletear was definitely set up for that it's just the way they've handled it that wasn't great. Also I don't think Silver Link even did much (if anything) of the animation and production for S2 here, it's shown as a Silver Link x Studio Palette thing yet basically all the staff working on this are from studio Palette or outsourced. My personal theory as to how this happened is that it was supposed to be a Silver Link x Studio Palette thing but Silver Link basically ditched Studio Palette to do the work themselves which might be why it was so rushed for it's original release date. Either way that's just a theory based on Silver Link's suspicious absence from basically all the credits so take that with a massive grain of salt. Given how much Silver Link seems to like playing "favorites" with the anime they produce it wouldn't shock me if they decided to ditch this for Yozakura Family. |
| I like to watch some anime, I like to talk about some anime, I dislike wars over some anime, but more than anything I love to live my life, anime is an enjoyable and entertaining addition onto my life but it's not my whole life. |
| As usual the story is really hard to follow, but that might also be because I don't remember too much about the first 4 episodes. |
| Everything's as hinted from before, no other twists. Elletear's just a delusional bitch who's jealous of her own family being gifted and that she isn't. Also looks like Salinger and the queen's story was similar to Alice and Iska and Salinger isn't the bad guy they think him as. Now Alice and Iska is in the same situation as them, hope Alice won't make the same mistake her mother did and will trust Iska. |
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At this point, Alice still thought that the outsiders were the cause of the uprising, not the internal factions like her older sister and the Hydra family. I hope she will know the truth very soon.
AkeZZZ said: Well Alice is a simpleton, she's not smart as shown since the begining so what do you expect. But yeah I do want her to find out though.At this point, Alice still thought that the outsiders were the cause of the uprising, not the internal factions like her older sister and the Hydra family. I hope she will know the truth very soon. |
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| The attempted coup of Queen Millavair, which brings in the Imperial Army that more than Iska and the gang being blindsided on what's going on, that too, triggers Alice to fend for her mother. And despite Hydra's head of Tailsman coming for Sisbell's aid, Jhin's instinct of suspecting him as one of two culprits behind the coup alongside Elletear, after dealing with the other Houses wanting a piece of the Empire's pie, through the fights of trial and error, if the House of Zoa isn't to blame, and neither is the Masked Lord, then the Hydra family is the only one left contributing to this coup. Both Kissing and the Masked Lord of On, as well as the Zoa's head Growley knowing who they're dealing with, aside from Jhin and the gang holding Sisbell well on guard against the Midnight Sun Witch of Grugell. Of course, Alice would not suspect the betrayal of her own older sister being the weakest of the astral mages, being the one who'll orchestrate the downfall of her mother, starting with the Saint Disciple of First Seat Johaim. The full-on coup has taken full swing...Alice better recognize what she's going into now... |
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| And that's how you kill your story. Your story where we've literally seen 5% The main character Throughout the episode, we've seen the main character During we'll say 5% And it feels like everything that's happening in the story and Ben the main character only has a small connection, you know I'm sad. |
| so Elletear is indeed the perpetrator. and she's working with Talisman. doesn't this mean they already known Talisman is the one blow up the Queen chamber though? why doesn't they catch him back then already? I don't know which one I should side on. I just don't want the queen to die, but I also want the war between empire with the nation to ended though. |
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