Taken from an interview translation posted on reddit what did he mean by this? |
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| He means that two characters of the same sex having any sort of interaction doesn't immidietly make them homosexual. Satoko does what she does not because she wants to scissor with Rika, but she is completely dependent on her and perceives her more like a sister than romantic love interest. |
PiromyslJul 3, 2021 6:25 PM
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| There is platonic love and there is familial love. You can love someone of the same sex platonically and like family or even more than your own legal/biological family, that person can even be the most loved person in your entire life, without it being either romantic or sexual. For all anyone knows, Satoko might be aromantic and/or asexual, but she's only like 10 years-old so not even developed in that sense in the first place. |
| I dont think gou/sotsus SatoRika can even be considered love? Maybe Delusional Obsession is the most accurate term. |
WatchTillTandava said: There is platonic love and there is familial love. You can love someone of the same sex platonically and like family or even more than your own legal/biological family, that person can even be the most loved person in your entire life, without it being either romantic or sexual. For all anyone knows, Satoko might be aromantic and/or asexual, but she's only like 10 years-old so not even developed in that sense in the first place. She most certainly wasn't 10 when she was at St. Lucia, and she's been looping many times since. |
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gedata said: She most certainly wasn't 10 when she was at St. Lucia, and she's been looping many times since. That's true. I'm thinking of her age as the one I'm most familiar with in the series since it constitutes the majority of episodes/runtime up to this point. I believe they're supposed to be around 14 - 15 years-old, the usual age at the time of starting high school, when beginning their studies at St. Lucia, and Keiichi, Rena, Mion, and Shion I assume would be about 18 years-old and college-aged. Still, as Ryukishi alludes to, there isn't any real reference, display, or example of anything explicitly romantic and/or sexual by Satoko toward Rika or vice versa. |
PinkShibaInu said: Stockholm, really? I've heard of Rika "grooming" Satoko before, which is just as crazy, but this is the first time I've seen Stockholm syndrome ever brought by anyone.Satoko's position can also be seen as Stockholm syndrome which surprisingly nobody brings up as often anymore. Whether or not that can be viewed as true love is arguable. Yet Satoko in Saikoroshi-hen seems to not even care about Rika if not for the planets aligning, their love either way is a matter of circumstances that Hinamizawa falls apart and brings them together to start with. How exactly Satoko's Stockholm syndrome came to be is up in the air since just enough of her obsession builds off screen during Satokowashi-hen, but enough of it could possibly be summed up to Rika unintentionally grooming Satoko prior to that point. Satoko viewed Rika as neglectful (she feels abandoned by Rika at St. Lucia and so far in Gou you can notice Satoko upset Rika is more obsessed about saving everyone else and continues to neglect her) and yet Satoko refuses to admit Rika is fully to blame. Satoko defends Rika as her precious loved one still, just like a victim of Stockholm syndrome. You know what they say neglect is just another form of abuse. I don't know everything there is about Stockholm syndrome and I don't even like Gou/Sotsu, but that being an explanation would line up rather well. That doesn't mean it'll be entirely true, it just could be an excuse down the road brought up (yet kinda doubtful.) Also I don't have the exact point and time this was discussed but apparently Eua's voice actor said Satoko's overall goal is to no longer feel neglected one way or another by Rika. Looking at how many times Rika went off and left Satoko to die (even in the Outbreak movie) I'll admit this is one trending theme in Higurashi that holds true. Rika is very obsessed and neglectful in her own right of Satoko specifically. |
| Well Satoko is a toxic, obsessive girlfriend no doubt. Rika is one of my favorite female protagonists, so I kinda will have a hard time shipping her with her anyway... A certain couple in Umineko tho... |
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| Cant really compare Bern and Lambda to Rika and Satoko. The former are Witches, who - are not human, and do not have human constraints. The latter are loopers -but not really comparable to Lambda and Bern. - Their relationship is Umineko is almost playful - rather than malicious. Along with the 'you be the good guy next time' talk By the end of Umimeko,Bern and Lambda felt like they were fully enjoying their good, bad roles. - sort of like Roleplay. |
ChargecoulombJul 5, 2021 4:22 AM
He meant that it's not a yuri. |
| Which one of them is the Trap? |
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Hulio said: Which one of them is the Trap? Trap Satoko has always served as the best double entendre. |
WatchTillTandava said: Oh yeah, how didn't I see that...Hulio said: Which one of them is the Trap? Trap Satoko has always served as the best double entendre. Foolish of me. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Nothing there really precludes yuri though, he could mean it's something more than just that |
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PinkShibaInu said: Chargecoulomb said: I dont think gou/sotsus SatoRika can even be considered love? Maybe Delusional Obsession is the most accurate term. Satoko's position can also be seen as Stockholm syndrome which surprisingly nobody brings up as often anymore. Whether or not that can be viewed as true love is arguable. Yet Satoko in Saikoroshi-hen seems to not even care about Rika if not for the planets aligning, their love either way is a matter of circumstances that Hinamizawa falls apart and brings them together to start with. How exactly Satoko's Stockholm syndrome came to be is up in the air since just enough of her obsession builds off screen during Satokowashi-hen, but enough of it could possibly be summed up to Rika unintentionally grooming Satoko prior to that point. Satoko viewed Rika as neglectful (she feels abandoned by Rika at St. Lucia and so far in Gou you can notice Satoko upset Rika is more obsessed about saving everyone else and continues to neglect her) and yet Satoko refuses to admit Rika is fully to blame. Satoko defends Rika as her precious loved one still, just like a victim of Stockholm syndrome. You know what they say neglect is just another form of abuse. I don't know everything there is about Stockholm syndrome and I don't even like Gou/Sotsu, but that being an explanation would line up rather well. That doesn't mean it'll be entirely true, it just could be an excuse down the road brought up (yet kinda doubtful.) Also I don't have the exact point and time this was discussed but apparently Eua's voice actor said Satoko's overall goal is to no longer feel neglected one way or another by Rika. Looking at how many times Rika went off and left Satoko to die (even in the Outbreak movie) I'll admit this is one trending theme in Higurashi that holds true. Rika is very obsessed and neglectful in her own right of Satoko specifically. I don't know how you're reading this as Satoko having Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome is when a hostage/prisoner falls in love with their captor. Rika is the captive here and she isn't in love with Satoko. |
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| All he meant is that they are not romantically in love and that he made sure that how he framed it in Gou made it impossible for that to be seen as such (I wouldn't fall in love with Satoko after this even if she was my life partner for a century, tbh). They love each other a lot, sure, but not in a romantic way, despite their relationship being stronger than that, is what he said. It's more of a life partner or family thing, as I mentioned. Sort of like Nana, as controversial as it may be to point that out without the fandom cruxifying me. |
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| Seems he's saying he's not writing a yuri which is fine imo. But the bottom says that by another definition of yuri, it might be a yuri, so everyone saying "SEE IT'S NOT" calm down. It just is what it is. Beyond a romance, lol. Though I've already known it wasn't [yet] canon, their relationship dynamics really do seem very yuri-like to me, but I've heard connotations for "yuri" are different in Japan than in English-speaking fandom. I guess I'll have to see the whole thing before I'd say if it is to me or not. And if I decide it is, it might not be to someone else, and that's fine too. I'd be interested in seeing what he has to say about Bern and Lambda since I'd hope he'd admit that's 100% canon. |
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prepare4trouble said: But the bottom says that by another definition of yuri, it might be a yuri, so everyone saying "SEE IT'S NOT" calm down. Basically, this applies to 99% other shows where there at least two female characters. Author did not intended to make this yuri, it is not being advertised as such and everything is left ambiguous. Everyone is free to ship whoever they want, make fanfics and fanarts, but when some Twitterians try to pretend like this is actual kanon, then it is just cringe. |
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| queer baiting just gives him views more views. |
| so americans want to groom kdis to have sex wit hthem basically the point here is actually reasonable and normal. lambdelta and bern are close to each other like real friends but they arent romantic. even though they phrase it often basically its like having single friend that you treat well as shy person |
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