Chainsaw Man Chapter 194 Discussion

Feb 26, 4:33 PM

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Confused_100 said:

Zar20 said:

I agree. Fujimotos writing is best consumed in bulk rather than week to week. Due to how he writes. He's not writing for a chapter a week he's writing for the big picture, so pretty frequently chapters leave off weird and cliffhanger like, but it's not on purpose. He's definitely not your typical shonen writer.

Well this is false because that last sub arc’s writing was abysmal even after reading it in one sitting…

Ehh, I think there are a lot of things that arent shown at face value in this story, and it's not typical writing, which makes it harder for people to enjoy it. Also, Denji, as a character, is harder to enjoy/understand when he doesn't have linear development and isn't your typical shonen protagonist.

We can agree to disagree. Hopefully, it gets better for you to enjoy my friend.

Feb 27, 3:52 AM

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Zar20 said:

Confused_100 said:

Well this is false because that last sub arc’s writing was abysmal even after reading it in one sitting…

Ehh, I think there are a lot of things that arent shown at face value in this story, and it's not typical writing, which makes it harder for people to enjoy it. Also, Denji, as a character, is harder to enjoy/understand when he doesn't have linear development and isn't your typical shonen protagonist.

We can agree to disagree. Hopefully, it gets better for you to enjoy my friend.

There are things not in face value in any series tbh and this series was phenomenal at it in part 1 especially but part 2 lacks deeply in it if we want to be honest about it. Most of it is a rehash of what was done before but written worse. Denji isn’t linear, true but that doesn’t make him complex in any means, why? Because the writing itself is trying to be unpredictable on purpose and on the expense of storytelling at times even. Look at the ending of last sub arc and beginning of this one, abrupt and feels one thing: FILLER. You can skip the last sub arc and someone technically can tell you in one sentence the most important thing that happened and that’s it, you lose nothing of value. Again you could ask how, ironically Denji’s character development didn’t go anywhere for the last 60 chapters, it just stayed still in a circle and only in this chapter did it exhibit an actual light even if very small. So him being not linear somehow is making him more worse than if it was linear in most cases in this part.

We can agree to disagree and hopefully it gets better from here. It does seem we are nearing the final arc of the whole series though and you can’t make me believe that we got something that is as good as any arc in part 1. It’s all literally “See this thing, wow!!!”. Only character that is written in a promising light is Asa in this part, the rest are just rotten even in their writing no less. Even returning characters are written worse in this part. So if we are entering the final fight with all characters being both dislikeable and not written well, why would I care when death arrives? Lol

Feb 27, 1:27 PM

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Confused_100 said:

Zar20 said:

Ehh, I think there are a lot of things that arent shown at face value in this story, and it's not typical writing, which makes it harder for people to enjoy it. Also, Denji, as a character, is harder to enjoy/understand when he doesn't have linear development and isn't your typical shonen protagonist.

We can agree to disagree. Hopefully, it gets better for you to enjoy my friend.

There are things not in face value in any series tbh and this series was phenomenal at it in part 1 especially but part 2 lacks deeply in it if we want to be honest about it. Most of it is a rehash of what was done before but written worse. Denji isn’t linear, true but that doesn’t make him complex in any means, why? Because the writing itself is trying to be unpredictable on purpose and on the expense of storytelling at times even. Look at the ending of last sub arc and beginning of this one, abrupt and feels one thing: FILLER. You can skip the last sub arc and someone technically can tell you in one sentence the most important thing that happened and that’s it, you lose nothing of value. Again you could ask how, ironically Denji’s character development didn’t go anywhere for the last 60 chapters, it just stayed still in a circle and only in this chapter did it exhibit an actual light even if very small. So him being not linear somehow is making him more worse than if it was linear in most cases in this part.

We can agree to disagree and hopefully it gets better from here. It does seem we are nearing the final arc of the whole series though and you can’t make me believe that we got something that is as good as any arc in part 1. It’s all literally “See this thing, wow!!!”. Only character that is written in a promising light is Asa in this part, the rest are just rotten even in their writing no less. Even returning characters are written worse in this part. So if we are entering the final fight with all characters being both dislikeable and not written well, why would I care when death arrives? Lol

Denji is supposed to be a person who can't get past his trauma, with very little growth, and the growth that does happen only happens because of certain things and then he goes back to what he knows. He is close to a real person who has these issues. Some people can get past trauma, and some can't. I think he is complex in that way, where you have a real person with trauma and then not having any good support system to get you through and past it. You end up relying on your own instincts and how you see the world. Which is completely different from a "normal person".

I believe the moments that seem to be repeats are trying to recreate that moment so that we see Denjis small amount of growth and to wonder if he can get through that. Part 1 has such big moments, and recreating them shows how big they were for Denji in a negative way and how someone with this amount of trauma might not notice its happening again or does and he let's it happen because he might not know how else to handle it.

I think that Asa is a very well written character, as well. I'm glad we can see eye to eye with that at least!

Feb 27, 7:18 PM

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Zar20 said:

Confused_100 said:

There are things not in face value in any series tbh and this series was phenomenal at it in part 1 especially but part 2 lacks deeply in it if we want to be honest about it. Most of it is a rehash of what was done before but written worse. Denji isn’t linear, true but that doesn’t make him complex in any means, why? Because the writing itself is trying to be unpredictable on purpose and on the expense of storytelling at times even. Look at the ending of last sub arc and beginning of this one, abrupt and feels one thing: FILLER. You can skip the last sub arc and someone technically can tell you in one sentence the most important thing that happened and that’s it, you lose nothing of value. Again you could ask how, ironically Denji’s character development didn’t go anywhere for the last 60 chapters, it just stayed still in a circle and only in this chapter did it exhibit an actual light even if very small. So him being not linear somehow is making him more worse than if it was linear in most cases in this part.

We can agree to disagree and hopefully it gets better from here. It does seem we are nearing the final arc of the whole series though and you can’t make me believe that we got something that is as good as any arc in part 1. It’s all literally “See this thing, wow!!!”. Only character that is written in a promising light is Asa in this part, the rest are just rotten even in their writing no less. Even returning characters are written worse in this part. So if we are entering the final fight with all characters being both dislikeable and not written well, why would I care when death arrives? Lol

Denji is supposed to be a person who can't get past his trauma, with very little growth, and the growth that does happen only happens because of certain things and then he goes back to what he knows. He is close to a real person who has these issues. Some people can get past trauma, and some can't. I think he is complex in that way, where you have a real person with trauma and then not having any good support system to get you through and past it. You end up relying on your own instincts and how you see the world. Which is completely different from a "normal person".

I believe the moments that seem to be repeats are trying to recreate that moment so that we see Denjis small amount of growth and to wonder if he can get through that. Part 1 has such big moments, and recreating them shows how big they were for Denji in a negative way and how someone with this amount of trauma might not notice its happening again or does and he let's it happen because he might not know how else to handle it.

I think that Asa is a very well written character, as well. I'm glad we can see eye to eye with that at least!

To say he is realistic is funny for me. Why? Most people when faced with same thing that they made a mistake on before would actually do one of two things: Avoid it or face it with caution. No1 and I mean no1 keeps doing the same mistakes over and over and over again. They could in different situations entirely not repeats of technically the same situation. Want someone who is realistic in a very loopy way? Thorfinn from Vinland Saga. Want someone who is very aware of their problems and tries to avoid it? Dokja from Omniscient Reader.

Denji is someone flawed with “Please anyone love me”, when literally in part 1 he had actual friends who loved him. He even says that but somehow gets amnesia and forgets… If you say but that’s a different kind of love, then congrats he got it with Asa, but even then he can’t differentiate between Yoru and Asa… Like either he is that kind of idiot or simp. That kind of realism is the worst kind, why? It’s the kind of people who don’t even try to evolve and just give up. Does Denji give up? No but he gives up on evolving himself. He keeps looping to the same lessons he learned already. It’s not like they became harder like in real life, it’s the SAME LESSONS WITH THE SAME SITUATION.

Imagine he forgot how Makima treated him and Yoru repeating it beat for beat? Ah yes it did happen. Also he acts like he didn’t spend a lot of time with Asa to differentiate between the personality of Yoru and Asa… Like bruh the word Denji and realistic don’t even mix with how unrealistic he acts.

Just to finish this quick though: Part 1 is strong not because of moments but because how it flew together and connected. This part tries so hard to cling onto the past lessons other than going its own flow. It’s afraid of not reaching the same heights so ironically it falls so hard that it becomes unrecognisable mess that has no connection and almost zero character development.

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Feb 28, 12:20 AM

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Feb 28, 1:54 PM

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So happy to finally see Asa again

Mar 2, 1:00 AM

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Denji knows. Who knew he’d get some wisdom in him at some point

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Mar 2, 1:39 PM

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It's crazy how Denji seems aware of his ensuing fate but he'd rather have a true connection with someone toxic and unhealthy than have no connection at all.

Mar 2, 1:46 PM

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So atleast Fujimoto is aware of how “Denji repeating the same mistake” is becoming annoying to read finally. Will it be salvaged? I don’t know, maybe he will finally get into the meat of the story but that won’t fix whatever the last 60 chapters of filler abysmal writing though.

@Confused_100 It's being done intentionally, I'm pretty sure last chap made that clear. Denji cares not that he's "making a mistake". Denji just wants genuine human connection and is latching onto that despite how bad for him that might be.

Honestly losing Pochita because of the contract probably hurt Denji more than helping since not even Pochita can comfort him anymore

Mar 2, 4:19 PM

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Denji's hanging out with the most dangerous girl. Yoru is having fun banging buildings with her gun finger. And, Denji is just eating pot stickers made from the guys of the deceased restaurant manager. This series couldn't get any weirder. 🤣😂 But, I am glad that Asa has returned! 😄

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Mar 3, 2:35 PM

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Green_Giorno said:
Interesting. I genuinely think Part 2 is about to end. This feels like a calm before a storm, where a third part will be about the Death Devil's arrival.

Something huge is going to have to go down between Denji and Asa/Yoru first. Here we go!

I feel like part 2 has been feeling like this for a while now. But this time, it really feels like calm precedes chaos.

Mar 8, 11:32 PM

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Well, the cultural festival is approaching xd
And back to Denji.
Asa showed up, let's see what happens.

Mar 9, 10:58 AM

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- famine devil / kiga-chan : ... watashi , ... denji-kun , asa-chan , yoru-chan ...
- me : i think famine devil talks just like makima .

page 12 :
- new girl : ... kiga-chan ...

we have 2 new girls : muscular girl , and pine-apple hair girl , lol .
muscular girl is a "pick-up artist" , she can easily pick up kiga-chan , lol .

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Mar 14, 11:47 PM

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Zar20 said:

Confused_100 said:

Well this is false because that last sub arc’s writing was abysmal even after reading it in one sitting…

Ehh, I think there are a lot of things that arent shown at face value in this story, and it's not typical writing, which makes it harder for people to enjoy it. Also, Denji, as a character, is harder to enjoy/understand when he doesn't have linear development and isn't your typical shonen protagonist.

We can agree to disagree. Hopefully, it gets better for you to enjoy my friend.

There are things not in face value in any series tbh and this series was phenomenal at it in part 1 especially but part 2 lacks deeply in it if we want to be honest about it. Most of it is a rehash of what was done before but written worse. Denji isn’t linear, true but that doesn’t make him complex in any means, why? Because the writing itself is trying to be unpredictable on purpose and on the expense of storytelling at times even. Look at the ending of last sub arc and beginning of this one, abrupt and feels one thing: FILLER. You can skip the last sub arc and someone technically can tell you in one sentence the most important thing that happened and that’s it, you lose nothing of value. Again you could ask how, ironically Denji’s character development didn’t go anywhere for the last 60 chapters, it just stayed still in a circle and only in this chapter did it exhibit an actual light even if very small. So him being not linear somehow is making him more worse than if it was linear in most cases in this part.

We can agree to disagree and hopefully it gets better from here. It does seem we are nearing the final arc of the whole series though and you can’t make me believe that we got something that is as good as any arc in part 1. It’s all literally “See this thing, wow!!!”. Only character that is written in a promising light is Asa in this part, the rest are just rotten even in their writing no less. Even returning characters are written worse in this part. So if we are entering the final fight with all characters being both dislikeable and not written well, why would I care when death arrives? Lol

@Confused_100 I completely agree. The worst part for me is how Fujimoto has completely killed the hype for the finale. I still remember how Part 1 gradually built up the tension leading to the introduction of the Gun Devil, and it was so well done. But this part feels so disjointed, and I honestly can’t think of any way to salvage it. The opportunity to properly build up the hype for the Death Devil's appearance has already passed.

Not to mention, there are barely any characters I care about now. I still can’t believe Nayuta was just killed off like that. Yoshida and Fumiko haven’t been developed well, and Quanxi only shows up when the plot needs her. Asa is the only good character.

Mar 17, 6:13 PM

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Apr 1, 11:15 AM

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Pretty funny chapter. 1. We THOUGHT Denji went to cop a feel, but actual pulled Yoru's blanket up. 2. Fami's friends straight up pick her up and helps her run away from her responsibilities(I have genuinely never seen Fami's head in a straight position. It's always leaned). 3. Yoshida gets depressed thinking he's no fun. 4. Denji literally guessed in the beginning of the chapter that she will get screwed over by Asa soon. Interested to see what's next.

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Apr 10, 7:33 AM

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It was okay, sort of a slice-of-life (though again a subversion of sorts). I was worried that there might be people in those buildings they were blowing up.

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School Festival that is more important to her than humanity's survival? Close enough welcome back Kaguya Sama and Maid Sama.

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