| @JokerVentura Btw the class casting aside the doctor for nutjob blue hair, kinda reminds me of current stupid events. Yep. Hits unfortunately close to home these days. I lost my capacity for surprise and disillusionment from elections in 2016, but now 2024 has made me far more cynical. Also, @23feanor @JokerVentura I believe we were looking at doing Beast Player Erin next. It's a significantly longer watch at 50 episodes, but it looks like it should be worth the longer timeframe. If that's correct, I can go ahead and make the thread for that one. Episode 18 Those guns are just brutal. Watching them tear through anything and leave perfect circles behind really makes a statement about the kind of order they're trying to bring, one that seems more focused on erasure than anything else. Tatsuya finds himself enthralled by these mechanized humans, wondering if this is the future Yoshi wanted to achieve before getting slapped down. Ichise resolves to fight and save the Doc despite all his frustrations with her. The remains of Organo are still fighting back, but their victories are pyrrhic. Even when he believes that Keigo's dead, Ichise continues his efforts, and even holds the Doc at her request for comfort. She wants to head to Gabe to save themselves, though at best, that just delays the inevitable. Shinji commiserates with his fallen former comrade before setting him ablaze and riding off on his motorcycle. Ran surveys the action from afar having come to the base of the spire. She somehow draws a large amount of people to her. The Sage also takes off for the city with a number of his people chasing after her. The enemy is aware she's there as well, and Ichise and the Doc find their way to her. Yeah, looks like being made into a meat puppet has some pretty strong side-effects, like gangrene in your brain. Never wanted to consider that as a possibility, but here we are. Keigo and Shinji converge as their paths bring them both towards a direct confrontation with the Class. Keigo's car gets obliterated by a disco ball (same thing that almost killed the Doc), then it retreats for some reason before a wall opens up allowing them both in. Keigo and Shinji don't talk much, only a passing question about Keigo's secretary that gets no response. They find their way to the three old women who Keigo has seen in visions due to texhnolyzed legs. Kano (the blue haired guy) appears to be the person who received Keigo's legs as a child. So yes, they are coming back to haunt Keigo, and now he wants a bigger playground to play in on the surface. These women let Keigo and Shinji in because they share the goal of stopping Kano, sending the two of them up to the surface as a means of warning them, with Tatsuya set to guide them there. Toyama, who has apparently gone over to the side of Kano, is given a sword by him. Elsewhere, Shinji, Keigo and Ichise meet, and Keigo officially releases Ichise from any duties. Sometime after this, he appears with a blade, covered in blood, having killed the three old women from the Class. |
whiteflame55Nov 7, 2024 8:04 PM
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| Episode Eighteen: Maskgirl is gathering a crowd, how, for what reason, guess we shall see. Bossman and young ex-gangboss visit the three class women, it appears they were who bossman was connecting to, not the city and blue nutjob was the kid who got his legs. Blue Nutjob is just looking for a bigger playground, with people as his toys, he also seems to have gotten swordguy on his side and sends him to kill the old ladies. Doc and Ichi are being sent to the surface to warn them, Tourist's Buddy is tagging along too. I guess we shall see what the surface people are like and I wonder who Ichi is connected to, cos I dont think its the old ladies for him. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| @whiteflame55 if this was an anime story then Trump would be the cartoonish villain (contempt for women & minorities, openly racist, grifter, idiot, can't stand criticism however justified, flouts the rule of law, derogatory towards servicemen and women........) and would get his comeuppance, but sadly it's not, and in a shock twist the villain wins. It's hard to bear, knowing we live in such a world, and it's not even my country. And yes, Beast Player Erin next. Episode 18. Ran goes to the tower and the Organo are just about wiped out, only leaving injured and Keigo, who seems pretty hard. Keigo says the Shapes are only killing men, so not everyone. Shinji and Keigo head to the main gate to Outside, where they're let through to see the 3 crones, who tell them Kano is acting out and needs to be stopped. They ask that they travel to the surface to notify the Class of what is taking place and how Kano is making the city his new playground. They also say that it was Keigo's legs that caused him to act up. Doc and Ichise turn up and Keigo asks that they travel to the surface to meet with the Class in his stead. He and Shinji want to tackle Kano and the Shapes army. Kano mentions that they (think he's talking about the pregnant mannequins) mated with his father and created him, and how he wished he'd destroyed them the moment he was born. Ran has drawn all those from Gabe and remaining in the city to her at the obelisk. Looks like everything's coming together for the final arc. Liked the background OST for this ep. |
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| Episode 19 I'm liking the OST this episode, very jazzy. So we finally learn what the obelisk is for: it's a source of power and information necessary to make texhnolyzed limbs, meaning they're only useful here when they're in range of it. Ichise gets outfitted with new ones that should work for a time without that connection, so now he can bring the fight to the Class. The Doc even included some of her cells to complete his biocircuit. For the first time in the series, we see the surface, sky and all, dotted with a bunch of identical looking houses and well-lit streets. Tatsuya, Ichise and the Doc are scanned on their way into a building, They're trying to find a government facility, but there's little sense of what they're planning to do. We don't see much of the people beyond a person staring out his window and a farmer's shadow. Somehow, Ichise's touch seems to steal the life from a flower. The Doc sees a little girl ahead of them that seems to vanish into thin air. Then we get a bit Truman Show with it. Kano comes over a loudspeaker, asking where they're headed. He's already there, the same little girl the Doc spotted before teleporting all around them and speaking with his voice. Creepy. They're led to a much more active city with cars and people walking around, though no one interacts with them. They're led to a building that appears to be broadcasting a signal, perhaps the government building they were searching for? The Doc ends up speaking with a glowing chair broadcasting a male voice... is that Kano? He only wants to know how many people can be texhnolyzed in Lukuss. It's not clear whether the Doc or Ichise give him an answer despite talking to him separately. They apparently don't desire raffia anymore. Initially thought this was just bravado based on perceived genetic superiority, but it's fatalism: in the face of humanity's slow extinction, they see no benefit in texhnolyzation or any efforts to preserve or improve their lives, wishing to simply allow or even accelerate that end. The Doc's words about how not all of humanity thinks as they do fall on deaf ears; she'll find no sympathy from them, not for the lives of lesser, subterranean beings. We see an office space with a bunch of people in shirts and ties working. Tatsuya returns to his desk at this place after some absence (this location must be the same government building they were going to, though I don't know when he got his hair cut and changed), and tells one of his superiors at the site about the fact that he killed Yoshi, who I guessed worked here as well. The superior dismisses it. I guess it's widespread among these people to just dismiss losses, no matter how personal. Ichise and the Doc follow a man into a movie theater and watch a short video of an uprising involving a great deal of massacre. Some amount of these people head to the underground, and we see destruction and rebuilding of the obelisk. This all clearly happened over a period of decades or even centuries. |
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| Episode Nineteen: The obelisk powers tex, so destorying it should stop blue hair one would think. Does that mean maskgirl is gathering people there to do so, or to protect it. So the doc's cells are in Ichi's tex, she is the one showing him things, like the old ladies showed bossman. I guess that means she was the one who told him those men betrayed his dad. We see the surface world, the people seem different, theyre there but not there too. I imagine their views, their stagnation are what led to yoshi being the way he was, perhaps when he saw the city he thought it was heading the same direction. They don't plan on doing anything because it will not affect them, but what if blue hair has a way to transport or create a new obelisk on the surface. From the video at the end it seems like constant conflict led them to creating the city for people who they deemed to be conflict creating. It's a place for them to act out their need for conflict, which led to the city/obelisk being destroyed again and again, the cycle has been mentioned before. Perhaps the raffia was born from this, it only grows from death and while it lets tex works, its also eats away at life. They've mentioned it shortens life as the doc said to bossman, and it also led to the betrayer getting gangrene in his brain. It's probably the raffia in Ichi that killed the flower for the same reason. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| Episode 19. Yeah the jazzy OST in this ep is good. So tex need the obelisk to work, guessing that's down to the raffia, but then why is it being mined and presumably sent to the surface, what do the Class use raffia for? Kano has tex legs, so how were they working before he arrived in Lux? Ichise is prepped by the doc to work independently of the obelisk, but only at 60% efficiency. At first glance the surface looks pretty normal, not an apocalyptic hellscape. Sakimura says it's likely there may not be any humans left, what about him, the doc and the lady in the window. We've seen weird pregnant mannequins and the 2 headed sister with Kano, are they all that's left of humanity on the surface, strange hybrids. With everyone else being clones, or androids maybe? Sakimura later says there aren't any more 'fully human' people anymore, so guessing the populace is now biotech-human hybrids. Kano talking from everywhere is creepy, makes it feel like outside on the surface isn't even real, like the matrix. They arrive at a desolate city, hardly anyone visible and enter the govt office where the doc and Ichise are questioned by a talking chair on top of a stack, and Sakimura retursn to his desk. His colleagues seem more robot than people, not even responding when he shouts he murdered Yoshi. The doc tries to warn the Class, via the body of a doll or young girl, that Kano and his army may bring war to the surface. They don't seem bothered. The doll says 'we the select few, who carry superior genes cannot suffer bodily damage and thus raffia is no longer necessary'. So guess they are machines linked to a brain and don't care what happens to anyone or anything beyond themselves. Without bodies, and physicality, the select few of the Class appear to have lost all desire to live, but can't die it sound like, so they simply exist, a long slow boring drawn out affair. Doesn't sound very fun. The doc tries to tell them that tex limbs could offer some ability to touch and experience the world, but they aren't interested. Ichise and the doc stop at a cinema and see a short film playing what looks like the origins of Lux; a bunch of people killed other people, and the perpetrators were driven to build and then settle in an underground city, Lux. |
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| Episode 20 The Doc feels abandoned by her people. It's not just that they're physically preventing her from rejoining them - these people are alien to her now, going through life just waiting to die. I'd say this is a curse of immortality story, but it isn't really. Life has been prolonged, not immortalized, and in the process it's been tainted in a way that is slowly leading to humanity's extinction. Since the end is coming, why bother living? And the Doc starts to move in that direction herself, becoming of the walking living. I suppose, once you've reached this point, there are worse things to do than become an office drone. Interestingly enough, I watched a show last year called Carol & The End of the World that showed how different people handle a certainty of extinction (by space rock) and how a sizeable number worked in an office doing busy work just because it gave them purpose and a sense of belonging. We learn that Yoshi and Sakimura both chose to travel underground, though we don't yet understand why the latter chose to do it. In the present, Sakimura explains that a train of violent texhnolyzed people are likely coming to capture and kill many of them, but it gets treated like he was reporting on the weather. Even their imminent crash on said train through the city's gates doesn't elicit a response from anyone other than Sakimura. Ichise finds his way to a couple of older people who seem content just to reminisce their days away. He encourages one of them to come to Lukuss to see people who are truly alive. They do seem to get something positive out of his presence, though even that seems fleeting. Ichise goes to where the train crashed, finding several metal armored people including Toyama. He's told that all the people he knows are dead or captured, but Ichise chooses to fight anyway. Actually, so does Toyama, killing his fellows and using the blocked tunnel to impede both Ichise and Kano's efforts. With Kano looking on in the guise of a child, they fight to the death with swords. In the end, Toyama loses an arm then his head. I know the slow reveal that someone is cut down followed by a time-delayed blood spurt is utter bullshit, but it's still cool as hell. I can't bring myself to hate on it. We learn from a radio broadcast somehow recorded by the Doc is that she was attracted to Ichise's eyes as eyes of their ancestors, of people driven to Lukuss who wanted to live. From the looks of things, she drowned herself in the tub given the spreading water under the door of her bathroom and her absence from the bed. We get more exposition from the older man Ichise met earlier whose legs quite thoroughly braced with extensive metal. Didn't see that before. He explains that Ichise's ancestors were isolated underground to protect them, the Theonormal, and to place their hopes in them that these people of Lukuss would evolve when they hadn't. Sakimura leads Ichise to an airshaft. The staircase is broken, but it's still possible to reach Lukuss this way by lowering him in on a crane. Ichise talks to his dead father's ghost along the way and apologizes to him. Guess we'll find out what awaits him in the dark soon enough. |
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| Episode Twenty: The Doc gives up, killing herself to join the ghosts, while also explaining what drew her to Ichi. I forgot to add yesterday, I wonder if the ghosts are trying to give clues through the radio. 'A mirror improves ones ability to think' perhaps a way to fight Blue Hair's control over their tex. A train brings some tex robots, and swordboy's reward for killing the old ladies was becoming one.... Ichi and he fight to the death, with swordboy losing his head and life, at least he got to see the real sky. We see several of the ghosts interact with Ichi, seems they're lonely, wanting someone who has some life in them. Ichi also sees and forgives his father, perhaps the tex records the memories of its wearers and above ground recreates them as a ghost. We also meet an old guy with tex wrapped around his legs, he knows his people never managed to evolve, they are done, but those underground still have the chance to live. Though the stairs are broken, he cannot go down that way, though the airshaft remains and Ichi is lowered down into it by Tourist's friend. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| Episode 20. So the doc has given up hope and feels bereft having returned to the surface. I remember reading your thoughts on Carol & End of the World @whiteflame55. We've watched a fair few shows in the group watch that deal with post apocalyptic settings, and despair, and dealing with the fleeting nature of life, and how some people struggle to continue when faced with their own mortality. However, and I may be missing something here, it's not clear to me why the people on the surface, and the Class (are the Class the ruling elite, those who have become biomachines with almost indestructible bodies, or does it refer to everyone on the surface?) have fallen into apathy and boredom with life. Maybe the central reason for humans going extinct on the surface will become clearer in last few eps. If they can still enjoy pleasures of the flesh (eating, drinking, sex etc) and pastimes/hobbies then usually people will find a reason to live. One big flag is the lack of children, haven't seen any above ground, and children give people a reason to keep going, maybe humans can't reproduce naturally anymore. The sun's shining, the outside world still appears moderately lush, wouldn't some of them find contentment in this, know I would, as long as I had a nice of bottle of wine. The 2 people Ichise talks to refers to themselves as ghosts, are they physically present, or is it some illusion, not clear. I didn't think the tex limbs worked above ground, so how are the Shapes moving, unless they have the same remote device the doc fitted to Ichise. electric guitar OST is very atmospheric. The doc talks through the radio and offers some insight. The people sent to Lux were done so because they were still fertile and able to bear children, the doc says she didn't think she could, but never tested herself. This would explain a lot and why humans are slowly dying out on the surface, some sort of radiation maybe, leading to high rates of infertility among the general population. Toyama destroys the tunnel so Kano won't be able to invade, at least for a while. People on the surface, Theonormal, were told the people in Lux had been sent away for their safety, but the guy talking to Ichise says he's doubting what they were told. Ichise heads back to Lux. |
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| Episode Twenty One: Ichi proceeds into the city, meeting the old boss, his tex no longer working and it appears none of it is anymore. The people of the city have gone mad, turning to violent ways. Is that what tourist and blue hair wanted, do they only see people as alive when they give into their dark impulses. Is it because of the way those outside turned to ghosts when shunning theirs perhaps. Bossman's secretary has been raped by a group of sickos, god knows what else, so he kills them and then does as she wishes, killing her. Young Boss decides to go kill the class, killing them all before being killed by blue hair's friend who then blows his own head away. The man who switches on the light is also dead it appears, the light will fade soon and wont be coming back on. Sage is also dead, he says he failed to protect the seer and returns to be reincarnated as a raffia flower...... I don't think moss flowers. Maskgirl asks Bossman to kill her, he then proceeds to stab the obelisk, which then bleeds, with Ichi witnessing it and screaming his name. Hmmm, so if the obelisk powers tex and tex was down, then the connection was switched off, the first thought is blue haired, but its also possibly maskgirl. There is clearly a connection between Maskgirl and the obelisk, which leads me to two theories. Seers can control the obelisk and perhaps combine with it, perhaps they are the power source and the voice of the city. Or she has always just been the obelisk and weve just been seeing a projection of her, but she was never really there. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| Episode 21 It's revealed that the ancestors of the people living in Lukuss were driven there because there was a "monster" inside of them, and it's suggested that the ultimate monster among them was Ichise, who rose to the surface and then returned to Lukuss, to Purgatory. He finds his way to Ran (I guess she knew he'd be there) and follows her. He wants to take her aboveground to keep her safe, but she vanishes right before him, seemingly moving toward the obelisk. As he travels down to the underground once again, following flowers like the ones dropped by Ran, Ichise's texhnolyzed limbs fail. Ran is referred to as Theoria (maybe the name of the first oracle?). He encounters mass death and destruction (the Sage among the dead), with only a few survivors. Most of those have given into baser impulses. Keigo finds his secretary, who has been repeatedly raped and only wishes for death. There's some remote talk between Ran and Kano. Guess they can interface on some level. Kano says he's the brain of this world, the result of extensive inbreeding (doesn't tend to result in greater brain power), and both of them say they're being driven insane by their knowledge. And... yep, your theories about the people underground being used to make raffia are proven correct. These cycles of violence and rebuilding are meant to provide fuel for the growth of raffia. Shinji goes off to get vengeance on the Class. He kills a whole lot of white robed guys before finding his way to a circle of naked men with alopecia, which he refers to as raffia (uh...). He's murder suicided by Kano's assistant. Keigo heads to the obelisk, questioning whether the voice of the city he's talked about is what drove the city to insanity. He claims he only felt affection for his legs when they stopped working. He seems to be speaking with Ran; is she the voice of the city? She wants him to kill her, believing she's the reason the city drove them insane (so, yeah, seems like they're one in the same). He then stabs the obelisk and it bleeds. He then gets riddled with bullets from a group of men with guns that arrived there. As for your theories @JokerVentura, I go with the latter. I think she's always been a projection. She does seem to appear in opportunistic locations often, and even when we see her traveling, there seems to be a purpose to her being present there. She either is one or became one after fusing with the obelisk because she definitely was one when Ichise followed her from the train station. |
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| Episode Twenty Two: So Maskgirl was the voice of the city, I guess the seer had a connection with the obelisk. Bossman stabbing the obelisk seems to have killed her, as in killing her mind, before he is blasted to death leaving only his tex legs. Meanwhile Ichi connects with the system that connects with tex and reactivates his arm and leg, before slaughtering Bossman's killers. He heads towards blue hair, who seems to have found a way to connect tex with the earth, like a fusion that he thinks will lead to evolving humans. It is really a plan, something that will lead his tex soldiers to a new future, or is he just an inbred batshit crazy maniac, hard to say. Maskgirl was real, sadly her head was removed like the metal soldiers and it was then connected to the stupid two head doll Blue Hair kept around him always, to be his second eyes, a sad end for Ran. Ichi loses it, killing blue hair, before taking her head and dropping it into the waters that I think lead to raffia, it looked like where the sage was. Ichi lays down, it seems everyone is dead, so he just lays there waiting to die. His arm moves showing a projection, it seems to be a flower, a gift from maskgirl or perhaps the doc. Overall: This series seems to be telling a story of human nature, its violent ways and the future of it. You could see from its ending the view is that humanity is beyond hope, its violent ways leading to a violent end. But the projection, the flower, the raffia, the cycle of rebirth it represents, a type of hope, of another chance. Its all a cycle, and while often cycles just repeat themselves, theres always the hope of the cycle being broken. So maybe the series isnt as bleak as it at first seems. It's an odd series, very dark, but also rather interesting, I'm still not sure what I truly think about it, other than I liked it. @inim it would be interesting to hear what your thoughts of the series were if you can still remember. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| Episode 22 A lot of this is done to a pretty solid solo guitar riff. The music in this series has been great throughout. We take a peek back in time to... I guess just after Ichise left for the surface with humans banding together to fight the cyborgs. It... didn't go great, but Keigo and Shinji were still MVPs. Despite efforts to protect her, Ran was captured and Kano, the "king of this world," fused her with the obelisk with the task of driving humanity insane. It has been confirmed that Keigo was listening to her this whole time - he wasn't just imagining a "voice of the city." So, yeah, Ran and Keigo die while a horrified and pissed off Ichise looks on. So, it's time to punch some people. Even without his texhnolyzed limbs working, dude's a punching machine, but bullets beat fists... at first. Suddenly, his Texhnolyzed limbs start to work (something built into the Doc's lab makes them function, apparently) and dude starts to murder everyone. We get another shot of the Doc naked in said lab (guess that's more of a memory or a vision at this point), Having taken multiple bullet wounds, he runs into the guy who betrayed Keigo, who, like many of his comrades, has started to grow metallic roots into the ground. He's all twitchy, too, and seems just kind of good with everything. Apparently, Lukuss is known by another name: the Ninth Annex of the Reviving Hall. Ichise sees Ran's ghost and discusses the changes in himself and her. We see a theater with a small obelisk. This is where Ichise and Kano finally cross paths and discuss the end of humanity. Kano sees everything as a means to an end, some evolution of humanity. Ichise doesn't seem to care, and the knowledge of Ran's death leads him to literally knock the head off Kano's shoulders. Ichise finds Ran's bloody body and gives her a burial of sorts in the raffia mines before finding himself a spot to slowly die from his wounds, watching a hologram of a flower play off of his texhnolyzed arm. Beautiful ending song. I'm not quite sure what I think of this show in the end. I think it came together more clearly as it went along, and I certainly appreciated it more because we were watching it together and could fill in gaps in each other's understanding of the show as it was going. I don't mind having a show that is difficult to follow, but a lot of this show was particularly opaque for much of its run; I think @23feanor put it well when he said that it was "show and guess" at times. I liked solving the mysteries this show had to offer, but some - particularly Ran and Kano - remain pretty difficult to parse. It didn't help that the person we were following throughout, Ichise, had some pretty wild swings in his characterization. I did enjoy Shinji, Keigo and especially Yoshi early on, dude really set the tone for the series in expert fashion. I think the messages it has about humanity and our attempts to prolong our lives are probably the strongest aspects of its themes. It does leave you with some small sense of hope that something will come out of all this, but this is laid out as the end of a set of cycles, a winding down of a humanity that has given up, and a return to something more primal (the roots digging into the ground) from a technological marvel (the texhnolyzing and raffia), all with the aim of creating something new and, perhaps someday, ascending consciousness beyond the physical as Kano and possibly Ran did. In the end, I found a lot more to appreciate in this series than I found to enjoy. Maybe that's just me not jiving with how it was told with the scattered exposition in the latter half filling in some of the worldbuilding to various extents. Ends up at a low 7/10, still a worthwhile experience. It was my pleasure watching this with both of you @23feanor @JokerVentura, thanks for sticking with it and for the helpful thoughts throughout! |
whiteflame55Nov 11, 2024 8:25 PM
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| Episodes 21 & 22. Ichise bumps into the former Organo leader, one who went to Gabe, at least I think that's him. He says daytime won't come again, and we gets some shots of the sunshine factory (we never saw how light was provided underground) no longer working. So soon it'll be night and daylight won't return. A narrator mentions the colour of the peoples eyes changing, we never got an explanation for that. Keigo comes across his secretary and accedes to her request to end her life. The secretary was one well written char for the relatively short screen time she had, we saw she was diligent in her job of protecting and serving Keigo, clearly infatuated with him, but had her own mind and even went out on that date with Shinji because she was fed up waiting for Keigo to pay her attention. So Ran is the voice of the city that Keigo can see and hear. Kano calls her Theoria, the seer. I thought the Class said of themselves that they had almost indestructible bodies, but Shinji seemed to mow them all down easily enough. Ichise returned to Lux for Ran and to take her to the surface. Acoustic electric guitar OST for ep 21 was something special, reminded me of a Explosions in the Sky track. From the weird narrated report at the beginning of ep it sounds like Kano ordered the daylight factory to be shut down, driving the city into perpetual darkness. Kano sounds like he's gone quite mad. He took Ran's head. He thinks humans will somehow evolve from the Shapes, maybe because they're growing into the ground? Sounds like nonsense. Ichise kills Kano. So the Class are dead, the remaining humans on the surface infertile and waiting to die, the humans in Lux all dead, and only Ichise left alive, waiting for death. Pretty damn bleak. Thanks as always @whiteflame55 and @JokerVentura, sounds like I'm not the only one who wasn't sure what to make of this show. I liked the mystery aspects, and working out what was going on with the city (bit like Haibane Renmei) and the connection with the Class and the surface, but same as @whiteflame55 that was partly because we were watching this together and could fill in the gaps, I certainly missed a few things with its show and guess narrative. I did like some of the themes of dealing with apathy, and the violent nature of humans, striving against the perceived futility of existence, but it wasn't delivered as well as I've seen in other shows. Shinji, the doc and Keigo were ok, but for central chars Ran and Ichise were lacklustre, but by design, not down to poor writing. They are both products of their environment, just didn't make for the best MC. Scored it a low 7/10 (7.2). |
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