Date A Live V Episode 6 Discussion

@GenesisAria

And finally, no LN is a gospel. Forget about DAL, even my top 10 LN barely gets such a status. But what Mio, Westcott and upto some extent, Shido have their roles in their story is clearly defined.

That predictable bs is a total beating about the bush, because Mio is utterly more predictable in that way because of her clear ideals. Talking about plot induced incompetence of the once facing the villain serves no purpose as you have literally brainwashed people serving under Westcott. In season 2, one had to be mercy killed by Mana to attain salvation.

Look, I appreciate you thinking about these stuff, but it doesn't hurt to think in such constrained ways? Especially when we haven't seen all Westcott have done yet in the anime.

@GenesisAria

That you have insecurities regarding "source material thumpers" was something I already guessed because of your repetitive wrong assumptions and tripping on your own logic. Unfortunately there are people in this thread who actually can be like this. I can't blame you, you are not the first one. But I still appreciate that you strived to analyse something on your own.

You never understood that Mio gains nothing from destroying the world Shin belongs in. While Westcott, a mage, genius and very much capable of creating his own Geass (the comparison with Lelouch is beyond dumb, mind you) has no ties to it. Blinded by the superiority complex you harbor despite being so rational, you keep oscillating on various adjectives to wonder at the "potential threat" she is without ever stopping to think what's her ideological limit. Or that Westcott has none of that because even if he has ever loved anybody, he'll derive the most joy feeling despair on seeing their death or seeing their sad face dying himself.

@SpiderMiles3523 i was never talking about BD's, i was talking about airing/streaming... nobody's watching it live. I'm the one talking to a brickwall here. You clearly didn't look or read. I said JAPAN, and i provided REAL DATA from who is watching what most in japan. What does netflix and disney+ have to do wit anything? Japan doesn't watch netflix like the west does, they have completely different platforms that the masses use to watch. This chart is not bullshit, go check the source sites that the data comes from, they have their own data that this bot just sums up and generates a chart for.
I'll make it easy for you: https://anime.nicovideo.jp/ranking/view-total.html , https://abema.tv/video/genre/ranking


There are heaps of anime that have lasted many years, gotten subsequent seasons and been revived after ages. I never once commented about it making enough from post-airing sales to be worth continuing subsequent seasons, i said barely anybody is watching it in japan currently.

None of that was mentioned up to this point.

That's like saying hitler can destroy the world. No he can't and never could, he was doomed to fail. He can cause a lot of shit, but he can't literally snap his fingers and transmute the planet to dust. All he can do is manipulate and scheme and try to puppeteer.

The problem is he has no strings on Mio, he can't. The plot of Date a Live would never have happened if Westcott had control over Mio. Shinjo would have died, Shido never would have come to be, and the rest of the spirits would never have been incubated.

Hypothesize that Westcott takes Shido hostage and threatens his life for Mio's obedience, Mio could just erase Westcott from existence and continue on with what she was doing, Shido not being in any danger from Westcott in that situation. Again, even Kurumi nearly beat him all on her own. He is not that capable, just a nuisance in the world that nobody stopped yet.

Yes he's just a catalyst. He results in many ailments but he himself is not what causes damage. If we want to use biology, he's an allergen that triggers autoimmune - he's not a cancer. Autoimmune is your own white bloodcells attacking your healthy functioning cells because it was triggered to do so externally. The bloodcells are the ones doing the damage and need to be reprogrammed with RNA to not do this. Blaming the allergen doesn't solve the problem.


I feel like you are thinking of this too much in terms of like star wars and other western media, where you have to shift the blame up the hierarchy. The darth vader plot for example is retarded when you know the lore of what that guy is done, there is no forgiving, he massacred millions by hand, and lead trillions to death or suffering. just because some big bad is pulling the strings does not and never will absolve someone of the sins they have committed.


I dunno, i'm going to step out of this at this point, but clearly you guys have very emotional investments in this and it's biasing any rational discussion.

...You also clearly don't seem to understand how eastern storytelling works. If we want to stay specific to japan, japan tells stories that are grounded in the buddhist and tangential philosophical mindset that puts the person in the environment holistically. They don't fixate stories on their plot points, but instead on characters and their relations with the world around them. Nobody here was ever disputing that Westcott is evil, but he and Mio are evil in the same way; they both have psychological disorders that make them willing to kill as many as they see fit to accomplish their goals. They are both victims of their own hardwired psychology, neither can be fixed nor saved. Kurumi on the otherhand, who seemed the most unstable, is comparatively very sane and capable of empathy.

The only reason everyone isn't disdainful of Mio is because she is cute and waifu and has a sobstory backstory that makes her look the victim. Take away the sobstory and make her not a waifu anymore and she'd be a hated villain for committing mass murder and using the girls everyone loves as sacrificial lambs by her whims.

She's a completely separate villain form Westcott, that Westcott just happened to create. After her creation she became an independent force that committed her own sins, and due to her capability the only reason she didn't erase Westcott and all of his agenda, was because she didn't care what Westcott did to humanity, and he was useful for her to bring Shinji back through Shido.

I'm not an idiot, and have widely analyzed and also extrapolated tangential relevancies and predicted a lot of outcomes of the finale. Regardless of how it ends, i will still consider Mio a larger villain than Westcott. This is my view, because i don't measure people merely by their actions, but by their motives and potential for damage. Mio is worse because she could and would massacre the entire human race willy nilly if it meant getting Shinji back. The only reason she didn't kill Mana is because it'd make Shinji mortified. Don't underestimate criminal psychology. Westcott is a cartoon villain, a wannabe dictator, these can be crushed because their movements are obvious. People like Mio you don't know how evil they are until it's too late.

Westcott is not the mastermind of the plot, he started it and tried to run it, but everything after that first space quake relating to the spirits, aside from him trying to make people attack the spirits, was because of Mio. Mio is the one that ran around turning people into spirits and causing further quakes destroying more cities and lives. If as implied there is more evils and plot to be uncovered by Westcott, that doesn't make Mio any less the more dangerous one. Just like with the star wars example, the puppet was always stronger than the puppeteer, but failure to dethrone the puppeteer with that power makes them complicit.

Ps
No, the whole point of this episode and the last was to establish Mio's backstory, which required explaining some of Westcott, because he made her. As well as establishing the relations of the 4 in the past where this all started, mutually. Date A Live's formula is based on the dating sim Visual Novel format, which makes the plot a slave to the girl's character developments.

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Anyway, i'll leave it at that. I don't want to just argue endlessly about semantics when clearly nobody wants to unpack this, and instead just try to preach what the LN's plot said as gospel, even though it is also up for interpretation. I came to propose a theory and share my opinion and why i came to it, not get attacked by a bunch of people who think they know everything.

@GenesisAria

And finally, no LN is a gospel. Forget about DAL, even my top 10 LN barely gets such a status. But what Mio, Westcott and upto some extent, Shido have their roles in their story is clearly defined.

That predictable bs is a total beating about the bush, because Mio is utterly more predictable in that way because of her clear ideals. Talking about plot induced incompetence of the once facing the villain serves no purpose as you have literally brainwashed people serving under Westcott. In season 2, one had to be mercy killed by Mana to attain salvation.

Look, I appreciate you thinking about these stuff, but it doesn't hurt to think in such constrained ways? Especially when we haven't seen all Westcott have done yet in the anime.

What you know is of no value when you say Re:Zero has a finale. Please get a grip.

None of that was mentioned up to this point.

That's like saying hitler can destroy the world. No he can't and never could, he was doomed to fail. He can cause a lot of shit, but he can't literally snap his fingers and transmute the planet to dust. All he can do is manipulate and scheme and try to puppeteer.

The problem is he has no strings on Mio, he can't. The plot of Date a Live would never have happened if Westcott had control over Mio. Shinjo would have died, Shido never would have come to be, and the rest of the spirits would never have been incubated.

Hypothesize that Westcott takes Shido hostage and threatens his life for Mio's obedience, Mio could just erase Westcott from existence and continue on with what she was doing, Shido not being in any danger from Westcott in that situation. Again, even Kurumi nearly beat him all on her own. He is not that capable, just a nuisance in the world that nobody stopped yet.

Yes he's just a catalyst. He results in many ailments but he himself is not what causes damage. If we want to use biology, he's an allergen that triggers autoimmune - he's not a cancer. Autoimmune is your own white bloodcells attacking your healthy functioning cells because it was triggered to do so externally. The bloodcells are the ones doing the damage and need to be reprogrammed with RNA to not do this. Blaming the allergen doesn't solve the problem.


I feel like you are thinking of this too much in terms of like star wars and other western media, where you have to shift the blame up the hierarchy. The darth vader plot for example is retarded when you know the lore of what that guy is done, there is no forgiving, he massacred millions by hand, and lead trillions to death or suffering. just because some big bad is pulling the strings does not and never will absolve someone of the sins they have committed.


I dunno, i'm going to step out of this at this point, but clearly you guys have very emotional investments in this and it's biasing any rational discussion.

...You also clearly don't seem to understand how eastern storytelling works. If we want to stay specific to japan, japan tells stories that are grounded in the buddhist and tangential philosophical mindset that puts the person in the environment holistically. They don't fixate stories on their plot points, but instead on characters and their relations with the world around them. Nobody here was ever disputing that Westcott is evil, but he and Mio are evil in the same way; they both have psychological disorders that make them willing to kill as many as they see fit to accomplish their goals. They are both victims of their own hardwired psychology, neither can be fixed nor saved. Kurumi on the otherhand, who seemed the most unstable, is comparatively very sane and capable of empathy.

The only reason everyone isn't disdainful of Mio is because she is cute and waifu and has a sobstory backstory that makes her look the victim. Take away the sobstory and make her not a waifu anymore and she'd be a hated villain for committing mass murder and using the girls everyone loves as sacrificial lambs by her whims.

She's a completely separate villain form Westcott, that Westcott just happened to create. After her creation she became an independent force that committed her own sins, and due to her capability the only reason she didn't erase Westcott and all of his agenda, was because she didn't care what Westcott did to humanity, and he was useful for her to bring Shinji back through Shido.

I'm not an idiot, and have widely analyzed and also extrapolated tangential relevancies and predicted a lot of outcomes of the finale. Regardless of how it ends, i will still consider Mio a larger villain than Westcott. This is my view, because i don't measure people merely by their actions, but by their motives and potential for damage. Mio is worse because she could and would massacre the entire human race willy nilly if it meant getting Shinji back. The only reason she didn't kill Mana is because it'd make Shinji mortified. Don't underestimate criminal psychology. Westcott is a cartoon villain, a wannabe dictator, these can be crushed because their movements are obvious. People like Mio you don't know how evil they are until it's too late.

Westcott is not the mastermind of the plot, he started it and tried to run it, but everything after that first space quake relating to the spirits, aside from him trying to make people attack the spirits, was because of Mio. Mio is the one that ran around turning people into spirits and causing further quakes destroying more cities and lives. If as implied there is more evils and plot to be uncovered by Westcott, that doesn't make Mio any less the more dangerous one. Just like with the star wars example, the puppet was always stronger than the puppeteer, but failure to dethrone the puppeteer with that power makes them complicit.

Ps
No, the whole point of this episode and the last was to establish Mio's backstory, which required explaining some of Westcott, because he made her. As well as establishing the relations of the 4 in the past where this all started, mutually. Date A Live's formula is based on the dating sim Visual Novel format, which makes the plot a slave to the girl's character developments.

. . .
Anyway, i'll leave it at that. I don't want to just argue endlessly about semantics when clearly nobody wants to unpack this, and instead just try to preach what the LN's plot said as gospel, even though it is also up for interpretation. I came to propose a theory and share my opinion and why i came to it, not get attacked by a bunch of people who think they know everything.

@benjic665

Trinity Seven has a complete adaptation? Have I entered a new timeline?

@GenesisAria

-Of course he does, isaac tortures children to make them tools: we see this with mana and his whole army in general. it's clear from season 3, as is the fact that he kills thousands of people (we understand this with the board of directors in season 3 who have their arms cut off).

- westcott isn't human, he's a mage, as you'll see in the next few episodes... he's not at all that easy to kill. He can destroy the world whenever he wants, and there are foreshadowings of this: he can control a demon without a care in the world: beelzebub, no human can do that... he's managed to find the formula for summoning an original spirit. think about it... Sure, he was insignificant in his early days, but not since the end of season 4. He's the cause of everything (even if the fact that his village was burned by humans is the trigger) :)

-At this stage of the story, the author wants you to believe that Mio is the main antagonist, but it's FALSE. You'll see in the next few episodes... you'll be surprised. All LN readers know this, because we have elements you haven't discovered.... you have to look to Jewish mysticism to understand dal, not Buddhism.....

-mio,westcott,kurumi and miku are the ones who have done the most harm to humanity in terms of morality, even if mio and westcott are on a much higher level in terms of crimes.

-I'm stunned by your theories, you're really going to fall flat on your face at the end of the season.

-stream data clarification dal v: Your sources are not reliable, only oricon is really valid. I'm very familiar with the sites you've given, just to give an idea, but it's too approximate. What's more, season 4 wasn't viewed in stream in Japan either, even less than this one...

That didn't stop it from being a big hit on vod and blu ray, and the same will be true of season 5.

In any case, streaming doesn't count: kaguya sama and chainsaw man were huge hits, yet producers and studios are reluctant to give these licenses another season, because they simply don't make any money.

little-known anime such as trinity seven have managed to do a complete adaptation, business has a different logic to popularity.