That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime
| As soon as I heard there was gonna be a movie I was like “woah! This series is legit.” So during fall/Thanksgiving break I’ll binge the series and catch up |
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| It's doing insanely well for an Isekai. Very entertaining (still don't think it deserves all the love though) |
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| Hope all the "build up" pays off and it's not a shit show again |
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Faozan_ said: Hope all the "build up" pays off and it's not a shit show again Well, Walpurgis build up in the first half of season 2 part 2 never payed it off. All the heavy dialogue and tension just for a one sided fight. I have no more hopes for this series. |
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| Slime will do well regardless of quality as much people hate slime this is by far one of the better generic isekai out there i do hope they step the game up again Erebus_Akeldama said: It's doing insanely well for an Isekai. Very entertaining (still don't think it deserves all the love though) The reason gets love because unlike most mainstream isekai mc (Subaru,Rudeas,Naofumi,Ainz,Tanya) Rimuru has a personality closer to a shounen mc (expect that s2 thing which was justifed for me) which is very easily more marketable within japan atleast |
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Jackfless said: So all i know is this movie probably gonna continue the fight of season 2 part 2 where the real fight has'nt begin i mean falmut is h's onedone for but now is the church , if i remember season 2 aniof theme stopped at 5 or 6 ? i forgot , i watched the those videos where they just read the Volume 7 of the LN about the western church and Hinata and the council metrmbers , and in the season 1 or 2 the opening showed a lot of western holy church's important people tho still bruh cant wait for the Saint-Monster Confrontation if im right and also cant wait for Kumara tho (this one is comfirm that Kumara will appeared , except im dumb) I mean yeah, it could be the 7th arc, it leaves just enough room for the manga to wrap up the arc first, but I don't think they'll do that. It'll probably be either a completely new original story (most likely written by series author Fuse), or some sort of tie-in for the new gacha. Scordolo said: Faozan_ said: Hope all the "build up" pays off and it's not a shit show again Well, Walpurgis build up in the first half of season 2 part 2 never payed it off. All the heavy dialogue and tension just for a one sided fight. I have no more hopes for this series. Except the build-up was not just for S2P2 but also for S3 contents. But does it matter? So many fail to notice even things that are outright spelled out, e.g. the reasons why Clayman suddenly acts like a third-rate comic-book villain. But no, let's just pretend it's just "lazy convenient writing to make Clayman more hateable" because turning off the brain and just spouting buzzwords is oh so much easier than to actually take a proper look at it. It's completely hopeless to expect such people to figure out any of the more subtle elements. Or are long-running non-episodic storylines just out of fashion for anime? That'd explain why One Piece has been commercially declining somewhat too, lately. There's also stuff like people complaining about 'plot holes' how "Clayman is a Demon Lord even though he is somehow not." The answer to that was given as far back as S2P1 EP8 and EP9, Rimuru already deemed Clayman a small fry even before Rimuru awakened himself when he figured out that Clayman tries to use the Tempest-Falmuth war to awaken himself. But of course what is S2P1? Ancient history! Completely forgotten about! But seriously, I am starting to understand why there are so many recaps, there might actually not be enough of them at this rate. I can't believe how many people already forgot who Yuuki and Kazalim were by the time of Walpurgis and Clayman's flashback... Their reveal wasn't even S2P1 stuff, it was S2P2! Ronninn said: Erebus_Akeldama said: Isekai's have been always doing well tho? No matter how generic it is.It's doing insanely well for an Isekai. Very entertaining (still don't think it deserves all the love though) Eh no, 99% of isekai are still only niché-tier at best. Only a few exceptions like Slime, Overlord, Konosuba and Re:Zero and such manage to stand out commercially. The really generic ones tend to eventually get their manga and then LNs cancelled before being able to finish the LN properly. |
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Ronninn said: Grey-Zone said: Hm, In my knowledge Seirei Gensouki was pretty popular in Japan. We wouldn't get this much Isekai if this things aren't selling well.. Is what I think. https://mobile.twitter.com/yuri_kitayama/status/1442416295396270089I mean yeah, it could be the 7th arc, it leaves just enough room for the manga to wrap up the arc first, but I don't think they'll do that. It'll probably be either a completely new original story (most likely written by series author Fuse), or some sort of tie-in for the new gacha. Except the build-up was not just for S2P2 but also for S3 contents. But does it matter? So many fail to notice even things that are outright spelled out, e.g. the reasons why Clayman suddenly acts like a third-rate comic-book villain. But no, let's just pretend it's just "lazy convenient writing to make Clayman more hateable" because turning off the brain and just spouting buzzwords is oh so much easier than to actually take a proper look at it. It's completely hopeless to expect such people to figure out any of the more subtle elements. Or are long-running non-episodic storylines just out of fashion for anime? That'd explain why One Piece has been commercially declining somewhat too, lately. There's also stuff like people complaining about 'plot holes' how "Clayman is a Demon Lord even though he is somehow not." The answer to that was given as far back as S2P1 EP8 and EP9, Rimuru already deemed Clayman a small fry even before Rimuru awakened himself when he figured out that Clayman tries to use the Tempest-Falmuth war to awaken himself. But of course what is S2P1? Ancient history! Completely forgotten about! But seriously, I am starting to understand why there are so many recaps, there might actually not be enough of them at this rate. I can't believe how many people already forgot who Yuuki and Kazalim were by the time of Walpurgis and Clayman's flashback... Their reveal wasn't even S2P1 stuff, it was S2P2! Eh no, 99% of isekai are still only niché-tier at best. Only a few exceptions like Slime, Overlord, Konosuba and Re:Zero and such manage to stand out commercially. The really generic ones tend to eventually get their manga and then LNs cancelled before being able to finish the LN properly. That's just one streaming service. For cumulative figures, see here: http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/ Note that that they are listed by cour where they first aired this year, so Slime is listed for Winter 2021, but the figures include the points for the second cour from Summer 2021 as well. You can find each series by it's picture or by google-TLing the site. That being said, this is just streaming figures in Japan. Other than that what matters most is how it affects manga/LN sales in Japan and perhaps also bilibili figures ( anime streaming figures in China). Blu-Ray/DVD sales on the other hand have lost in importance somewhat as those have declined universally. |
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| @AnimeFA78N The reason gets love because unlike most mainstream isekai mc (Subaru,Rudeas,Naofumi,Ainz,Tanya) Rimuru has a personality closer to a shounen mc (expect that s2 thing which was justifed for me) which is very easily more marketable within japan atleast for instance? I dont remember him having shounen mc traits tho |
| @Grey-Zone All right, I'll keep an eye for the next arc's content. Hope it delivers. |
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| @Grey-zone yup Light novel and manga sale as well as web novel popularity etc matter most which is why within Japan some generic isekai like Spirit crono Wiseman grandchild Death Mage in parallel world etc still going decently strong their sales should be decent not too good nor too bad. There should also be few more where they are selling good but not enough content for ankme so we don't yet but that's also very dew I also liked to add within Japan isekai as a concept is quite the popular judging by the amount of light novels web novels and mange being made its just most lost their own popularity and get canceled If I were to compare this to something I will compare how the concept of superheroes is popular within marvel and dc and they keep making 100 comics per month but eventually 90% of that comic gets canceled within 1 year and new one takes place So the concept is popular but not most of its content imo same with isekai. |
AnimeFA78NOct 11, 2021 7:52 PM
AnimeFA78N said: Slime will do well regardless of quality as much people hate slime this is by far one of the better generic isekai out there i do hope they step the game up again Erebus_Akeldama said: It's doing insanely well for an Isekai. Very entertaining (still don't think it deserves all the love though) The reason gets love because unlike most mainstream isekai mc (Subaru,Rudeas,Naofumi,Ainz,Tanya) Rimuru has a personality closer to a shounen mc (expect that s2 thing which was justifed for me) which is very easily more marketable within japan atleast Which basically means that he has no personality or a personality consisting of one or few quirks. Uninteresting bland character. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
Lab_Rat_0978 said: @AnimeFA78N The reason gets love because unlike most mainstream isekai mc (Subaru,Rudeas,Naofumi,Ainz,Tanya) Rimuru has a personality closer to a shounen mc (expect that s2 thing which was justifed for me) which is very easily more marketable within japan atleast for instance? I dont remember him having shounen mc traits tho He has the same problem most shounen MCs have (not all of them and he Rimiru is certainly not the worst of the bunch), they are written to be likable to the extremes not to be well-written and realistic. And this mostly stems from the lack of serous flaws to be either overcome or integrated (so they make the least amount of trouble possible). His "flaws" are shounen protagonist or quirky side character flaws: awkward in conversations (the cute kind that makes people laugh), clumsy (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness), naive (probably the only legit flaw of the bunch)... and so on... Another similarity is that even if something really bad happens, they will while resolving the issue and after it just go back to normal 100% with the exception of few scenes regarding the resolution itself. (Misaka Mikoto is a good example of how to this a shounen MC well in regards to this issue) Looking at those better he listed are in comparison better: 1) Subaru - probably won't find a lot of MCs more flawed than him... insincere, egoistic, projecting his issues on others, narcissist, prideful yet self-loathing... 2) Rudeas - similar to Subaru in many aspects (both NEETs), but he is an ugly person who knows the world only from his bedroom. Also person with legit PTSD and contempt for others. 3) Naofumi - vengeful, overly pragmatic and prideful 4) Ainz - not very interesting in this regard. I do not thing he is as good as the others. He is just a case what would person be if he lost his feelings in a videogame. 5) Tanya - next to Subaru probably the most flawed and maybe the most unique kind of flawed. The guy is a psychopat. Pragmatic to the core, caring only about himself and his goals. The human traits he conveys are mostly centered on achieving a goal through other people. He is quick to look down on people that are less smart, goal driven or earnest than him. But when he does have a moment of human interaction it delivers a nice subversive blow. These characters are far more interesting to watch than Rimuru (maybe with an exception of Ainz; also note that I wrote more interesting not pleasant) because of their flaws. Rimuru seems to have mostly good, funny, quirky or relatable traits. There are some things about him that are like the flaws I mentioned but they are never explored or immediately brushed aside, discarded forever. |
BromWalarOct 26, 2021 6:26 AM
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
BromWalar said: He has the same problem most shounen MCs have (not all of them and he Rimiru is certainly not the worst of the bunch), they are written to be likable to the extremes not to be well-written and realistic. And this mostly stems from the lack of serous flaws to be either overcome or integrated (so they make the least amount of trouble possible). His "flaws" are shounen protagonist or quirky side character flaws: awkward in conversations (the cute kind that makes people laugh), clumsy (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness), naive (probably the only legit flaw of the bunch)... and so on... Another similarity is that even if something really bad happens, they will while resolving the issue and after it just go back to normal 100% with the exception of few scenes regarding the resolution itself. (Misaka Mikoto is a good example of how to this a shounen MC well in regards to this issue) Looking at those better he listed are in comparison better: 1) Subaru - probably won't find a lot of MCs more flawed than him... insincere, egoistic, projecting his issues on others, narcissist, prideful yet self-loathing... 2) Rudeas - similar to Subaru in many aspects (both NEETs), but he is an ugly person who knows the world only from his bedroom. Also person with legit PTSD and contempt for others. 3) Naofumi - vengeful, overly pragmatic and prideful 4) Ainz - not very interesting in this regard. I do not thing he is as good as the others. He is just a case what would person be if he lost his feelings in a videogame. 5) Tanya - next to Subaru probably the most flawed and maybe the most unique kind of flawed. The guy is a psychopat. Pragmatic to the core, caring only about himself and his goals. The human traits he conveys are mostly centered on achieving a goal through other people. He is quick to look down on people that are less smart, goal driven or earnest than him. But when he does have a moment of human interaction it delivers a nice subversive blow. These characters are far more interesting to watch than Rimuru (maybe with an exception of Ainz; also note that I wrote more interesting not pleasant) because of their flaws. Rimuru seems to have mostly good, funny, quirky or relatable traits. There are some things about him that are like the flaws I mentioned but they are never explored or immediately brushed aside, discarded forever. What kind of drugs did you take to come up with this essay? Haven't seen something so off-the-mark in quite the while. Like a Shounen MC? Shounen MCs are teenagers who act like teenagers. Rimuru is an adult that act like a childish adult. Rimuru is someone who has mature people skills for the most part, though he can be a little overly cynical when it comes to his dark humor at times, like when he basically implied that his co-worker's girlfriend was the "company's bicycle" upon their very first meeting. Regardless of his aberrations at times and his goofy behavior, most of the time Rimuru makes calm, calculated decisions. The reason he has success is because he both is not ashamed of his power, but also actually goes for efficient and practical solutions, ideally win-win ones, unlike Shounen MCs who tend to resolve conflicts via either brute force or trying to force their ideology down the other's party's throat. Though Rimuru does have some issues adjusting to his "monster identity" and power and only gradually does so as time passes, peaking at the time of the Falmuth invasion. Shounen MCs usually act based on idealistic behaviors. Rimuru is different. While he does have his own beliefs, those are only about what he wants to accomplish, and unlike Shounen MCs, he is not restricted by them when it comes to his employed methods. Let's contrast some of Rimuru's actions to those that Shounen MCs would make: - Shounen MCs would not kill the Direwolf Boss because they'd be in a position where they could take him prisoner instead, after all killing is bad! Rimuru decapitated him without hesitation - Shounen MCs would instantly help deal with the Orc Lord upon Treyni's request because it's "the right thing to do", while Rimuru was solely concerned with his village despite the pressure of the newly joined Ogres/Kijin who would want to rush head-first into battle, Rimuru only ended up joining in because Treyni is sly, Shion is a musclebrain and keeping away from it would only be detrimental in the long run - Shounen MCs would order the Kijin not to kill the Orcs because the poor things are just mindcontrolled! Let's just catch them, beat the Orc Lord unconscious and resolve everything peacefully that way! Rimuru knew better than to attempt to "knock out" 200k Orcs on steroids - Shounen MCs would outright reject everyone who submits to them, insisting that they are "equal friends"! Rimuru actually minds the sheer responsibility behind the monster's devotion but he weights his situation and decides to accept their loyalty in the end - Shounen MCs would become punching bags for Milim and all of Tempest would end up submitting to her because emotional manipulation like what Rimuru does is something Shounen MCs are inherently incapable of with very few exceptions (e.g. Light Yagami, but except his idealism he is not exactly an ideal Shounen MC representative either) - Shounen MCs would never create fake news about Youm having defeated the Orc Lord, because lying is bad! Lying to the public in particular is a sin only villains would commit! Only the truth matters! I think you get the picture, right? Rimuru is nothing at all like a Shounen MC. Rimuru being "naive" is only on the political stage because he has pretty much no experience on that front. What you do is ignoring all the maturity Rimuru shows to paint Rimuru as an immature teenager, which he obviously isn't. Rather Rimuru learns on the job. The thing that still shackles him is the fact that he still gives humans in general a sort of "preferential treatment" and the fact that he underestimates the fanaticism the monsters have for him which blows up in his face when Falmuth invades. |
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Grey-Zone said: BromWalar said: He has the same problem most shounen MCs have (not all of them and he Rimiru is certainly not the worst of the bunch), they are written to be likable to the extremes not to be well-written and realistic. And this mostly stems from the lack of serous flaws to be either overcome or integrated (so they make the least amount of trouble possible). His "flaws" are shounen protagonist or quirky side character flaws: awkward in conversations (the cute kind that makes people laugh), clumsy (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness), naive (probably the only legit flaw of the bunch)... and so on... Another similarity is that even if something really bad happens, they will while resolving the issue and after it just go back to normal 100% with the exception of few scenes regarding the resolution itself. (Misaka Mikoto is a good example of how to this a shounen MC well in regards to this issue) Looking at those better he listed are in comparison better: 1) Subaru - probably won't find a lot of MCs more flawed than him... insincere, egoistic, projecting his issues on others, narcissist, prideful yet self-loathing... 2) Rudeas - similar to Subaru in many aspects (both NEETs), but he is an ugly person who knows the world only from his bedroom. Also person with legit PTSD and contempt for others. 3) Naofumi - vengeful, overly pragmatic and prideful 4) Ainz - not very interesting in this regard. I do not thing he is as good as the others. He is just a case what would person be if he lost his feelings in a videogame. 5) Tanya - next to Subaru probably the most flawed and maybe the most unique kind of flawed. The guy is a psychopat. Pragmatic to the core, caring only about himself and his goals. The human traits he conveys are mostly centered on achieving a goal through other people. He is quick to look down on people that are less smart, goal driven or earnest than him. But when he does have a moment of human interaction it delivers a nice subversive blow. These characters are far more interesting to watch than Rimuru (maybe with an exception of Ainz; also note that I wrote more interesting not pleasant) because of their flaws. Rimuru seems to have mostly good, funny, quirky or relatable traits. There are some things about him that are like the flaws I mentioned but they are never explored or immediately brushed aside, discarded forever. What kind of drugs did you take to come up with this essay? Haven't seen something so off-the-mark in quite the while. Like a Shounen MC? Shounen MCs are teenagers who act like teenagers. Rimuru is an adult that act like a childish adult. Rimuru is someone who has mature people skills for the most part, though he can be a little overly cynical when it comes to his dark humor at times, like when he basically implied that his co-worker's girlfriend was the "company's bicycle" upon their very first meeting. Regardless of his aberrations at times and his goofy behavior, most of the time Rimuru makes calm, calculated decisions. The reason he has success is because he both is not ashamed of his power, but also actually goes for efficient and practical solutions, ideally win-win ones, unlike Shounen MCs who tend to resolve conflicts via either brute force or trying to force their ideology down the other's party's throat. Though Rimuru does have some issues adjusting to his "monster identity" and power and only gradually does so as time passes, peaking at the time of the Falmuth invasion. Shounen MCs usually act based on idealistic behaviors. Rimuru is different. While he does have his own beliefs, those are only about what he wants to accomplish, and unlike Shounen MCs, he is not restricted by them when it comes to his employed methods. Let's contrast some of Rimuru's actions to those that Shounen MCs would make: - Shounen MCs would not kill the Direwolf Boss because they'd be in a position where they could take him prisoner instead, after all killing is bad! Rimuru decapitated him without hesitation - Shounen MCs would instantly help deal with the Orc Lord upon Treyni's request because it's "the right thing to do", while Rimuru was solely concerned with his village despite the pressure of the newly joined Ogres/Kijin who would want to rush head-first into battle, Rimuru only ended up joining in because Treyni is sly, Shion is a musclebrain and keeping away from it would only be detrimental in the long run - Shounen MCs would order the Kijin not to kill the Orcs because the poor things are just mindcontrolled! Let's just catch them, beat the Orc Lord unconscious and resolve everything peacefully that way! Rimuru knew better than to attempt to "knock out" 200k Orcs on steroids - Shounen MCs would outright reject everyone who submits to them, insisting that they are "equal friends"! Rimuru actually minds the sheer responsibility behind the monster's devotion but he weights his situation and decides to accept their loyalty in the end - Shounen MCs would become punching bags for Milim and all of Tempest would end up submitting to her because emotional manipulation like what Rimuru does is something Shounen MCs are inherently incapable of with very few exceptions (e.g. Light Yagami, but except his idealism he is not exactly an ideal Shounen MC representative either) - Shounen MCs would never create fake news about Youm having defeated the Orc Lord, because lying is bad! Lying to the public in particular is a sin only villains would commit! Only the truth matters! I think you get the picture, right? Rimuru is nothing at all like a Shounen MC. Rimuru being "naive" is only on the political stage because he has pretty much no experience on that front. What you do is ignoring all the maturity Rimuru shows to paint Rimuru as an immature teenager, which he obviously isn't. Rather Rimuru learns on the job. The thing that still shackles him is the fact that he still gives humans in general a sort of "preferential treatment" and the fact that he underestimates the fanaticism the monsters have for him which blows up in his face when Falmuth invades. Of course you think I am on drugs when you are responding to the drugged strawman of your own creation. What you have a problem is not what I said. You did not read what I wrote. View (strawman) you are attacking: Rimuru=shounen MC My actual view: Rimurus lack of serious flaws = lack of serious flaws in shounen MCs (and "=" symbol stands here for "is similar" rather than "equates to"). The most similar view you could construct from what I wrote would be: "he is more of a shounen protagonist than other isekai MCs" which still is not what I said. Also I said that he is not even the worst of the bunch in what his character lacks. Furthermore, I do think his decisions are more mature than those of shounen protags on average, to be clear. Finally, just so you know, writing an essay that is even longer than mine and saying "What kind of drugs did you take to come up with this essay" is quite hypocritical when you not only write an essay longer than mine but essay criticizing something that is not in the text you are criticizing. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
BromWalar said: He has the same problem most shounen MCs have (not all of them and he Rimiru is certainly not the worst of the bunch), they are written to be likable to the extremes not to be well-written and realistic. And this mostly stems from the lack of serous flaws to be either overcome or integrated (so they make the least amount of trouble possible). His "flaws" are shounen protagonist or quirky side character flaws: awkward in conversations (the cute kind that makes people laugh), clumsy (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness), naive (probably the only legit flaw of the bunch)... and so on... Another similarity is that even if something really bad happens, they will while resolving the issue and after it just go back to normal 100% with the exception of few scenes regarding the resolution itself. (Misaka Mikoto is a good example of how to this a shounen MC well in regards to this issue) Looking at those better he listed are in comparison better: 1) Subaru - probably won't find a lot of MCs more flawed than him... insincere, egoistic, projecting his issues on others, narcissist, prideful yet self-loathing... 2) Rudeas - similar to Subaru in many aspects (both NEETs), but he is an ugly person who knows the world only from his bedroom. Also person with legit PTSD and contempt for others. 3) Naofumi - vengeful, overly pragmatic and prideful 4) Ainz - not very interesting in this regard. I do not thing he is as good as the others. He is just a case what would person be if he lost his feelings in a videogame. 5) Tanya - next to Subaru probably the most flawed and maybe the most unique kind of flawed. The guy is a psychopat. Pragmatic to the core, caring only about himself and his goals. The human traits he conveys are mostly centered on achieving a goal through other people. He is quick to look down on people that are less smart, goal driven or earnest than him. But when he does have a moment of human interaction it delivers a nice subversive blow. These characters are far more interesting to watch than Rimuru (maybe with an exception of Ainz; also note that I wrote more interesting not pleasant) because of their flaws. Rimuru seems to have mostly good, funny, quirky or relatable traits. There are some things about him that are like the flaws I mentioned but they are never explored or immediately brushed aside, discarded forever. Hmmm... Likeable? I wonder about that Considering last time I checked, Despite him being a cute harmless looking Slime, Rimuru Always gets Attacked on sight by Almost Everyone in the story (Except Diablo) tho? lol iF youre questioning why does Rimuru always choose to "Forgive" the people that attack him, its related to the fact that he's a man or was a man, a human that had lived in Society Ruled by the Laws for decades. So obviously he never developed the mentality "Kill or be Killed" or "Survival of the Fittest" Killing or Harming others were never his main priority, its shown when he's established 3 rules in Tempest 1. no attacking human 2. no fighting among each other 3. no bullying other race (especially weaker race) that said, Everything changed when the fire nation attacked...lol XD I dont remember Rimuru as someone thats awkward in conversation or clumsy at (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness) tho its stated that he was a General Contractor in his previous life, its also stated that he's quite skilled at dealing with tough/scary labourers at the construction site, he's able to get things under control numerous times, by just talking with em iF he's seemingly "awkward" as the Leader/King of Tempest or Especially at Politics...well, as a former General Contractor...he has Zero EXP as a politician lol XD what do you expect? its self-evident At the beginning of the story, Rimuru was actually almost as pragmatic as Tanya but he's started to change for the better as the story progresses...it can be seen from his interactions with Tamura's girlfriend, Veldora, Shizu, Ranga, the Ogres and the others Especially with Shizu, based on his attitudes towards her Rimuru felt like a "psycho", he was only in it for profit (he wanted her human form). he never shed any tear for her, he also suspected Cabal, Gido and Ellen planned to backstab him whilst he's busy dealing with rampaged Shizu. what makes things even worse...he actually Forgot about his "promise" to her lmao its implied in LN vol 4 that its a Mere Casual promise for him so no wonder he forgot about it...on top of that he also didnt care that much despite ghost Shizu kept on reminding him for months How could we consider this irresponsible Slime, as a Likeable Slime? Everyone was right...KiLL it on sight!!! |
Lab_Rat_0978Nov 3, 2021 1:09 PM
Lab_Rat_0978 said: BromWalar said: He has the same problem most shounen MCs have (not all of them and he Rimiru is certainly not the worst of the bunch), they are written to be likable to the extremes not to be well-written and realistic. And this mostly stems from the lack of serous flaws to be either overcome or integrated (so they make the least amount of trouble possible). His "flaws" are shounen protagonist or quirky side character flaws: awkward in conversations (the cute kind that makes people laugh), clumsy (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness), naive (probably the only legit flaw of the bunch)... and so on... Another similarity is that even if something really bad happens, they will while resolving the issue and after it just go back to normal 100% with the exception of few scenes regarding the resolution itself. (Misaka Mikoto is a good example of how to this a shounen MC well in regards to this issue) Looking at those better he listed are in comparison better: 1) Subaru - probably won't find a lot of MCs more flawed than him... insincere, egoistic, projecting his issues on others, narcissist, prideful yet self-loathing... 2) Rudeas - similar to Subaru in many aspects (both NEETs), but he is an ugly person who knows the world only from his bedroom. Also person with legit PTSD and contempt for others. 3) Naofumi - vengeful, overly pragmatic and prideful 4) Ainz - not very interesting in this regard. I do not thing he is as good as the others. He is just a case what would person be if he lost his feelings in a videogame. 5) Tanya - next to Subaru probably the most flawed and maybe the most unique kind of flawed. The guy is a psychopat. Pragmatic to the core, caring only about himself and his goals. The human traits he conveys are mostly centered on achieving a goal through other people. He is quick to look down on people that are less smart, goal driven or earnest than him. But when he does have a moment of human interaction it delivers a nice subversive blow. These characters are far more interesting to watch than Rimuru (maybe with an exception of Ainz; also note that I wrote more interesting not pleasant) because of their flaws. Rimuru seems to have mostly good, funny, quirky or relatable traits. There are some things about him that are like the flaws I mentioned but they are never explored or immediately brushed aside, discarded forever. Hmmm... Likeable? I wonder about that Considering last time I checked, Despite him being a cute harmless looking Slime, Rimuru Always gets Attacked on sight by Almost Everyone in the story (Except Diablo) tho? lol iF youre questioning why does Rimuru always choose to "Forgive" the people that attack him, its related to the fact that he's a man or was a man, a human that had lived in Society Ruled by the Laws for decades. So obviously he never developed the mentality "Kill or be Killed" or "Survival of the Fittest" Killing or Harming others were never his main priority, its shown when he's established 3 rules in Tempest 1. no attacking human 2. no fighting among each other 3. no bullying other race (especially weaker race) that said, Everything changed when the fire nation attacked...lol XD I dont remember Rimuru as someone thats awkward in conversation or clumsy at (be it motoric or verbal clumsiness) tho its stated that he was a General Contractor in his previous life, its also stated that he's quite skilled at dealing with tough/scary labourers at the construction site, he's able to get things under control numerous times, by just talking with em iF he's seemingly "awkward" as the Leader/King of Tempest or Especially at Politics...well, as a former General Contractor...he has Zero EXP as a politician lol XD what do you expect? its self-evident At the beginning of the story, Rimuru was actually almost as pragmatic as Tanya but he's started to change for the better as the story progresses...it can be seen from his interactions with Tamura's girlfriend, Veldora, Shizu, Ranga, the Ogres and the others Especially with Shizu, based on his attitudes towards her Rimuru felt like a "psycho", he was only in it for profit (he wanted her human form). he never shed any tear for her, he also suspected Cabal, Gido and Ellen planned to backstab him whilst he's busy dealing with rampaged Shizu. what makes things even worse...he actually Forgot about his "promise" to her lmao its implied in LN vol 4 that its a Mere Casual promise for him so no wonder he forgot about it...on top of that he also didnt care that much despite ghost Shizu kept on reminding him for months How could we consider this irresponsible Slime, as a Likeable Slime? Everyone was right...KiLL it on sight!!! 1)It has been some time since I saw season 1, but if I remember correctly, animosity towards Rimuru never stemmed from anyone knowing him, but from a possible threat he posed as a new nation builder or a powerful being in general. After either gaining respect or being known as reasonable/good natured/sympathetic everyone falls in love with. 2) He was never really faced with an enemy strong enough for him to resort to lethal force. And this argument of yours (about the rules) is contradicted by him killing those 10 000 people (I know he had strong motivation, but the thing is that he did it with no remorse and was not afraid to face his people after the act - a person who lived in a lawful society would expect that society to fear him now when he crossed a line). Also, those rules show how naïve he is in thinking this will suffice in a long run. 3) Do not remember? Than watch it again, it is basically every interaction apart from those when he is giving instructions. Countless times he was sweaty staring mouth open not knowing what to say or was oblivious to what was going on in some conversations at times or was made fun of. 4) If he is this General contractor he should be able to negotiate and not show weakness. 5) He was not at Tanyas level. Tanya was willing to let people die, manipulate them and coerce them, encourage, discipline... but ALL FOR PERSONAL GAIN!! Also this trait of his sparks a distrust in some officers and prominent one does not like him for the lack of empathy. 6) LN does not concern me. I am talking about the anime. Books might be better or worse... I do not know. 7) How could a former general contractor be irresponsible? That is a job that requires the reverse. Summary = He has traits of a likable shounen protagonist (though I admit, I had already done so already, that he has some traits that make him not as bad in this regard, though it seems rather circumstantial than a stable character trait). He was attacked often but always (except when antagonist are concerned) was given respect or was liked after the fact. Most characters give unconditional loyalty and never question him. His speech is not as sharp, fluid and confident as a former General Contractor; on the contrary it is often goofy, confused, flabbergasted, embarrassed and such (which are flaws used to make a person likable and relatable but they are not real flaws; more like quirks). He has no real serious character flaw to speak of that would have some dire consequences. All the shallow and circumstantial "flaws" that are present only stem from a lack of character, personal conviction and mostly only a motivation of wanting to live fun live and make friends; which is a common motivation both among bland shounen/isekai protagonist. Rimuru works in the setting given but he is as a character nor interesting nor complex; and whole appeal to his character stems from him being likable and relatable. The other listed characters are way better than Him. |
BromWalarNov 3, 2021 2:23 PM
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| The moment I saw this thread and the possibility of a movie, I thought "well this anime is about to hit rock bottom". Nothing derails an anime like a movie. Hope it gets cancelled. |
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| @BromWalar 1. Not really The reasons why people and monsters always attack Rimuru on sight are related to - he's a Slime, a Weak monster - and Survival of the Fittest Slimes are similar to chicken, other livestock or smol animals, people and monsters either want to Bully em for fun or simply to Eat em as Food Rimuru has constantly been Hiding his true Aura after the meeting with Nameless Goblins (Rigurd, Rigur etc). so Most of people and monsters have no idea thats he's a Quite strong monster, a Huge threat and also the one and only Leader of Tempest/Monster City 2. Rimuru is a Slime who always thinks before he does things When the first time King of Dwarves Gazel and his Pegasus Knights visited Tempest, Great Sage stated that iF Rimuru and his strongest subordinates were Lucky...the probability of defeating Gazel and his army would be LESS than 50%, Benimaru AoE HellFlare would be useless and any Nuclear type magic would be useless as well. its basically Almost checkmate in the 1v1 againts Gazel, even Rimuru surprisingly got paralyzed by only Feeling Gazel's Aura...Luckily before the fight Gazel stated "Chillax. We're not here to kill each other. How about a sword sparring? You win iF you could stop my sword" Gazel attacked Rimuru twice. Rimuru managed to dodge the first swing and stop the second one so according to the Deal, he won the fight and also gained Gazel's trust in the process When you're going up againts an opponent thats a lot stronger than you, you could only bow your head and play with your opponent's rules. its definitely a realistic/reasonable decision on Rimuru's part 3. When? I cant recall 4. I dont remember "Negotiating" is part of a General Contractor job, you're talking as iF its similar to an Attaché job... they're two different jobs bruh XD 5. Rimuru has done similar things as Tanya at the beginning of the story, for instances - he saved many Nameless Goblins cuz he wanted Subtitutes for Humans. its Revealed in LN vol 5 and in Anime S2 part 1 - he accepted Ranga as his pet cuz he said that he could "take care of him" anytime like he did to Tempest Serpent (cut its head off by water blade) - he used Ranga's deceased Daddy's Skin as his Clothing, thats a lowkey Ainz's move right there lmao - he accepted the orc Survivors cuz he was just too lazy to prolong the fight againts the orc Lord, as soon as he made a Deal to take care of the orc Survivors, the orc Lord gave up. its not out of pity/compassion - he's scared of the Kijins (possible betrayal) cuz they got a lot stronger than he expected. its different than Ranga's situation 6. you should take LN stuff into consideration...or else some plot points Wouldnt make any sense as I stated before, Especially the Shizu part do you remember From the meeting with Veldora till him getting liberated, Rimuru had spent Almost 2 years? iF Rimuru took his promise to the dying Shizu seriously...as its shown in Anime, in Anime he even cried after her death but - How did he not mention her later on, at all? - He also didnt even bother to ask or order Souei and his ninja squad to Gather whatever Intel regarding Shizu and her dear students, have you ever wondered why? - He clearly would Rather Leisurely spend Winter Holiday with Milim and his other monster friends in Tempest Than fulfill his promise to the dying Shizu, have you ever wondered why? - he's been in that isekai world for Almost 2 years, he spent his first Winter Holiday by Lazing around...yet overlooking his promise to the dying Shizu... - btw he would spend his second Winter Holiday by fighting Hinata, in S3, Hinata vs Rimuru [Rematch] These "plotholes" could only be Answered by LN stuff Another "plothole" is the part when Rimuru is shown INDIFFERENT towards Leon in the Walpurgis in Anime S2 part 2, have you ever wondered why? He's the Main guy that caused Shizu's death but... please, take a look this silly conversation XD Rimuru: Leon oni-chan~ could you let me hit your beautiful face~?" Leon: Nope Rimuru: Just once~? Leon: Nope Rimuru: Just a lil bit~? Leon: Nope Rimuru: Pretty please~? Leon: Nope Shizu was Never Rimuru's First Priority its Revealed in LN that ghost Shizu kept on Reminding Rimuru about the promise for months, even for almost a year but the irresponsible Slime kept on ignoring her. and finally Rimuru was like "alright, alright I promised kay" he still sounded lazy as hell, seemingly no remorse in the slightest...its been almost a year for goodness sake 7. Regarding the Massacre of 20k Falmuth army. At that point in the story Rimuru has already Emotionally invested on his monster friends, he would do anything for his Family Have you watched FMA: Brotherhood? Roy Mustang stated that when Hughes is dead, he's finally understand why did Edward and Alphonse sacrifice Everything for the sake of Reviving their Deceased mother. the Probability of Reviving the dead would drive any sane person Crazy its even forshadowed in Slime Manga, FMA: Brotherhood images are shown in some panels in Slime Manga |
Lab_Rat_0978Nov 6, 2021 6:08 AM
Lab_Rat_0978 said: @BromWalar 1. Not really The reasons why people and monsters always attack Rimuru on sight are related to - he's a Slime, a Weak monster - and Survival of the Fittest Slimes are similar to chicken, other livestock or smol animals, people and monsters either want to Bully em for fun or simply to Eat em as Food Rimuru has constantly been Hiding his true Aura after the meeting with Nameless Goblins (Rigurd, Rigur etc). so Most of people and monsters have no idea thats he's a Quite strong monster, a Huge threat and also the one and only Leader of Tempest/Monster City 2. Rimuru is a Slime who always thinks before he does things When the first time King of Dwarves Gazel and his Pegasus Knights visited Tempest, Great Sage stated that iF Rimuru and his strongest subordinates were Lucky...the probability of defeating Gazel and his army would be LESS than 50%, Benimaru AoE HellFlare would be useless and any Nuclear type magic would be useless as well. its basically Almost checkmate in the 1v1 againts Gazel, even Rimuru surprisingly got paralyzed by only Feeling Gazel's Aura...Luckily before the fight Gazel stated "Chillax. We're not here to kill each other. How about a sword sparring? You win iF you could stop my sword" Gazel attacked Rimuru twice. Rimuru managed to dodge the first swing and stop the second one so according to the Deal, he won the fight and also gained Gazel's trust in the process When you're going up againts an opponent thats a lot stronger than you, you could only bow your head and play with your opponent's rules. its definitely a realistic/reasonable decision on Rimuru's part 3. When? I cant recall 4. I dont remember "Negotiating" is part of a General Contractor job, you're talking as iF its similar to an Attaché job... they're two different jobs bruh XD 5. Rimuru has done similar things as Tanya at the beginning of the story, for instances - he saved many Nameless Goblins cuz he wanted Subtitutes for Humans. its Revealed in LN vol 5 and in Anime S2 part 1 - he accepted Ranga as his pet cuz he said that he could "take care of him" anytime like he did to Tempest Serpent (cut its head off by water blade) - he used Ranga's deceased Daddy's Skin as his Clothing, thats a lowkey Ainz's move right there lmao - he accepted the orc Survivors cuz he was just too lazy to prolong the fight againts the orc Lord, as soon as he made a Deal to take care of the orc Survivors, the orc Lord gave up. its not out of pity/compassion - he's scared of the Kijins (possible betrayal) cuz they got a lot stronger than he expected. its different than Ranga's situation 6. you should take LN stuff into consideration...or else some plot points Wouldnt make any sense as I stated before, Especially the Shizu part do you remember From the meeting with Veldora till him getting liberated, Rimuru had spent Almost 2 years? iF Rimuru took his promise to the dying Shizu seriously...as its shown in Anime, in Anime he even cried after her death but - How did he not mention her later on, at all? - He also didnt even bother to ask or order Souei and his ninja squad to Gather whatever Intel regarding Shizu and her dear students, have you ever wondered why? - He clearly would Rather Leisurely spend Winter Holiday with Milim and his other monster friends in Tempest Than fulfill his promise to the dying Shizu, have you ever wondered why? - he's been in that isekai world for Almost 2 years, he spent his first Winter Holiday by Lazing around...yet overlooking his promise to the dying Shizu... - btw he would spend his second Winter Holiday by fighting Hinata, in S3, Hinata vs Rimuru [Rematch] These "plotholes" could only be Answered by LN stuff Another "plothole" is the part when Rimuru is shown INDIFFERENT towards Leon in the Walpurgis in Anime S2 part 2, have you ever wondered why? He's the Main guy that caused Shizu's death but... please, take a look this silly conversation XD Rimuru: Leon oni-chan~ could you let me hit your beautiful face~?" Leon: Nope Rimuru: Just once~? Leon: Nope Rimuru: Just a lil bit~? Leon: Nope Rimuru: Pretty please~? Leon: Nope Shizu was Never Rimuru's First Priority its Revealed in LN that ghost Shizu kept on Reminding Rimuru about the promise for months, even for almost a year but the irresponsible Slime kept on ignoring her. and finally Rimuru was like "alright, alright I promised kay" he still sounded lazy as hell, seemingly no remorse in the slightest...its been almost a year for goodness sake 7. Regarding the Massacre of 20k Falmuth army. At that point in the story Rimuru has already Emotionally invested on his monster friends, he would do anything for his Family Have you watched FMA: Brotherhood? Roy Mustang stated that when Hughes is dead, he's finally understand why did Edward and Alphonse sacrifice Everything for the sake of Reviving their Deceased mother. the Probability of Reviving the dead would drive any sane person Crazy its even forshadowed in Slime Manga, FMA: Brotherhood images are shown in some panels in Slime Manga 1) Ok, I stand corrected, but it does not disprove my central argument which is that there is nobody that hates him when he/she gets to know or gets beaten by Rimuru. (maybe except some random villain I already forgot) 2) As I said he never faced anybody in a real fight that required him to use lethal force. Few times he was outmatched he get away with it because the author needed him to so he made it so. Like Milim, he would be dead, but author made her naive and dumb (or worse it would be because she saw he was a good guy, in which case my argument is supported even more) so he could outsmart her, but then when it came to Clayman she was able to deceive him. 3) As I said, watch again and you will fine an example in most if not all of the episodes. 4) Different jobs can require similar abilities. And general contractor is negotiating an arranging plenty to talk to people below and above you. And Another difference is that here he has gained power that rivals even the most powerful beings shown so far so he should not have problem negotiating from the position of strenght. 5) A) not in the anime = do not care B) All are just basic reactionary things to beings that before they were given a name were just a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters he knew from his games. That is how it was portrayed and the show never implied it is because Rimuru is heartless psychopath like Tanya. Just look how he pointlessly spend his time teaching those kids. 6) Again, I talk about the anime. LN = I do not care... if it was that important to make really better it should have been in the show. B) being like... "yea yea I get on with it"... if he was like Tanya he would never do it at all, yet he did. It just seems like that attitude shounen protagonists have (yet as I said already at leas not as bad) 7) Why even say this? I know he was invested I said it myself "let me support this nonsense in this show by the fact that the same nonsense happened in another show" is not a good argument. But there is a second reason why it does not work - FMA did not include murder of 10 000 people who were not directly responsible and Mustang was not a leader of a nation whose perception needs to maintained. I did not finish FMA so I do not know about the reviving. - And this scene is problematic narratively rather than character-wise... it has no weight (but that is a different argument. Also it just seems you skip a lot of what I say, as I have to know you do, when you are proven wrong (unlike you I do admit my mistakes - I am not as invested so no shit that I forget stuff -; yet you prove me wrong only in things that are unimportant details and my central argument stands strong) and go on to speak about some other stuff where you still stand a chance. Also it is quite pointless to continue this conversation as it has been going for 3 weeks? And I do not even remember all the things I wrote, not even speaking what you wrote, so I AM GONNA GIVE YOU THE COURTESY OF LETTING YOU KNOW THAT i WILL NOT BE CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION, SO YOU DO NOT POINTLESSLY WRITE ANOTHER ESSEJ AS I WILL NOT READ IT. THIS TIME YOU WERE MORE POLITE, SO THANK YOU FOR REPLYING. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| Lol, so many long messages... gonna read them all |
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