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Jan 9, 2021 9:23 AM
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A civilization advanced enough to have mechas, flying vehicles, advanced weapons, remote video communications, satellite/aerial imagery, etc and yet they worship a wall as a god??...

And they think "there's nothing beyond the wall"?... Do they think their planet is flat? Don't they have any knowledge of astronomy? Why are they not researching the nature and composition of the wall instead of worshiping it?

Despite their technology/science advancements, they're ready to try to cook and eat some unknown metallic capsule without even checking its content? Are they supposed to have the intelligence of a Neanderthal? (like the girl with zero self-preservation instincts that jumps off a cliff as a game)... and after the capsule "content" is revealed, you would think even a dumb animal would recognize one of its own species instead of trying to bite his ass...

The dialog lines of the red hair commander while he fights are CRINGE af, and the MC with amnesia that is powerful but with an innocent personality feels generic as something we've seen many times before... (example, Goku from Dragon Ball)

Oh and an underwear joke that drags for half an episode, really?... Is this one of those shows where you have to shut your brain off to enjoy it? How could this be done by the same creator of Code Geass? A kid's mecha show like Power Rangers feels more elaborated than this one.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:19 AM
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Remember how good his last show about people living behind a wall was?
Jan 9, 2021 10:21 AM
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Logics of the real world don't necessarily need to apply to an anime fantasy world. There could be different reasons as to why they think there is nothing beyond the wall. Maybe the wall blocks their technology trying to see beyond it and some kind of religion forbids them to just try flying over it.

Joke/comedy is a matter of taste. I guess them cooking the metal thing was just a joke as well. And Code Geass got a lot worse in season 2.

So far it is not that bad. (And I actually like it. Could get interesting.) Cool guy + weird mecha setting reminds of Star Driver.

That Nakashima guy (Script, Series Composition) seems to have done Kill La Kill as well. This was another of those shows that you'd describe as one where you'd have to shut your brain off - where jokes got repeated a lot. (And one of the better shows of studio Trigger. Lol. In the other boring showas like Franxx and Kiznaiver the Nakashima guy was not involved it seems.)
Jan 9, 2021 2:07 PM
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I really like people who write a review after having seen only one episode, and think they feel intelligent judging the whole work in it when it has just started.
Jan 9, 2021 7:20 PM
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The bands they use to turn into mechs come from the wall. Maybe the rest of their technology also comes from it? Maybe, that same technology also controls their minds somehow?
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Jan 9, 2021 7:55 PM
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I like how people watched only the first ep and instantly start to find "plot holes", "dumb characters" and other bullshit. It's a fantasy world with its own logic and rules, and the author doesn't need to explain all of them to you in the first 20 minutes of the 24-episode show.
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Despite their technology/science advancements, they're ready to try to cook and eat some unknown metallic capsule without even checking its content?

It's a small village on the outskirts of the neutral territory, not the main town.
Moreover, most of the villagers saw the present from their god by themselves for the first time, so of course, their reaction would be inadequate a bit.
Also, it's just a typical gag from a comedy anime, don't be so serious about it.
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Is this one of those shows where you have to shut your brain off to enjoy it?

It's just a writing style by Nakashima Kazuki (TTGL/Kill la Kill), his shows always feel weird and confusing in the first episodes. However, they become much more interesting only after a few ones. Just give anime a try to show full potential.
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Jan 9, 2021 8:24 PM
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I hate people like Op who judge the entirety of an anime in just 1 episode.I love the fact that most users are not taking the thread seriously because no one cares about this anime.

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Jan 9, 2021 9:07 PM
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Scordolo said:
I hate people like Op who judge the entirety of an anime in just 1 episode.I love the fact that most users are not taking the thread seriously because no one cares about this anime.


Uhm why hate? People do have first impressions and judge during the first episode(s) whether a show is worth their time or not... isn't that natural and common? For example in this case, there's no reason to think that the cringe lines about "mah conviction" during fights will get better, or that the generic "powerful but innocent" MC won't bring another joke for 9 years old children that will drag for painfully too long.

But I agree, not many people seem to care about this anime...

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Logics of the real world don't necessarily need to apply to an anime fantasy world

Obviously! :) However, I think that if your whole story depends on the "mystery of the wall", woudn't it be more engaging and pleasant for the reader/viewer if you lay out the basic plot regarding the wall from the start instead of ignoring the elephant in the room?

Take for example Made in Abyss, obviously you don't know from the begining about the true nature of the abyss since that's what the whole show is about, but at least you understand from ep1 the relationship of the society of the characters with the abyss and how they try to explore it... or Attack on Titan, where you can see from ep1 how the characters are trying to understand the giants to defeat them and survive, even if we don't know their true nature.

But at the end, I agree with you: it's a matter of personal preferences.
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Jan 9, 2021 9:21 PM
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@skysurf Ik first impression is important but judging the whole anime in just 1 episode?Who does that?At least watch 3-5 episodes before judging.

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Scordolo said:
judging the whole anime in just 1 episode?Who does that?


I understand what you mean. I know it doesn't sound nice and maybe even sound unfair to the effort of producing a whole show, but as a simple viewer, at the end of the day the free time for watching anime is limited and I can't simply watch all seasonal shows, so yes, many of them will get filtered out based on the first episode(s)...

Animation studios are probably aware of this since it's common to see top notch animation for first episodes and carefully designing the story to be as engaging as possible in ep1 to hook the viewers into their show (since they're competing with many others).

I may give this one a couple more episodes though! Cheers.
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Jan 10, 2021 1:41 AM

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Personally I find it easy to "get a feeling" for new shows already in episode 1. (On their atmosphere and if I might like them.) Some shows though have a huge change though in episode 2. Especialyl if episode 1 tried to explain a lot and felt more boring because of that. Rarely I need 3 or more episode to decide if I should watch an anime completely. (Though there are sometimes anime that I fully watch where I thought "this might get better later" to only get a constant mediocre niveau with an worse end then. :D)

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Obviously! :) However, I think that if your whole story depends on the "mystery of the wall", woudn't it be more engaging and pleasant for the reader/viewer if you lay out the basic plot regarding the wall from the start instead of ignoring the elephant in the room?
I think a lot of shows do it like this one here. To keep it more interesting. More stuff to look forward to. Also the necessary stuff for the first episode was explained: The 2 kingdoms nations fighting each other and a bit of those mechas and how they get "summoned".

With this main character it also will be easy to explain stuff in a way that it does not feel too out of place. Instead of a wall of text (or character talking endlessly) for the viewer they might just have things that appear new to the main - that get explaint to him. (Which also serves as explanatoin for the viewers.)

If you did not like the comedy/joke ... I guess it could be the main problem for you. I guess this style of jokes won't change too much.

Since you mentiond code geasse: We also did not get any full info on Geass and stuff in episode 1. Just the basics about Britannia vs. Japan. The other show with the wall has some background stuff that only gets explained much much later.
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You actually finished the episode?! I just left after the sheriff got out her mecha armband, and even then, my brain had already lost this show around the first mecha fight scene, when the guys who lost were like "I don't wanna die!"
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NG_Chloe said:
my brain had already lost this show around the first mecha fight scene, when the guys who lost were like "I don't wanna die!"

At that point I was already rolling my eyes since the red hair dude killing the soldiers was breaking records of cringe level with stuff like "behold the power of mah conviction for you will not see it again, and BEGONE!" lol

@Luthandorius you're probably right, the show comes across as too childish in many aspects so it may simply not suit my taste. Luckily this season looks promising with many other interesting options.
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Jan 10, 2021 10:21 AM

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I assume you never got through Gurren Lagann or Kill la Kill, since those are also very "childish" series with silly humor and especially so at the start.

It also sounds like you absolutely would not enjoy watching any kind of Super Robot show with that attitude, since most of them are also not super realistic nor super mature.

A lot of the questions you're asking about the setting aspects seem quite easy to answer in due time. Not sure why you'd expect to know everything within a single episode.

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i think it's absolutely incredible when 12-year olds on MAL who have never seen anything before show up and are completely bewildered when a series has a sense of humor and style that they're not familiar with

TC's list is restricted, so probably full of hentai, but they have a kaguya avatar, so it's safe to assume that the only anime they've ever seen are poorly animated high school romcoms with the same joke repeated over and over

but yeah, the show is made by people who worked on some of the most prolific super robot series in the last 20-30 years, so if you've seen even a single other thing by either the writer or director (or anything else in the genre period), nothing here is surprising. it's like watching a tarantino film for the first time, as your first movie, and not "getting it"
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@Nyron yes, exactly as you said, I'm totally a 12 years old with a hentai anime list, I have never seen anything before, I enjoy the same joke being repeated over and over and I don't get the deep sense of humor of this show.

Thanks for your input.
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@skysurf I'm glad we cleared that up! If only everyone were so humble.

Now that that's settled, you can close this bad topic and watch GunXSword, Scryed, Gurren Lagann, G Gundam, Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still, Star Driver, and so many other great pieces of media to expand your pallet beyond trite high school shows. The world is your oyster.
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NG_Chloe said:
You actually finished the episode?! I just left after the sheriff got out her mecha armband, and even then, my brain had already lost this show around the first mecha fight scene, when the guys who lost were like "I don't wanna die!"


Yeah I was close to dropping this anime due to that particular scene. Even closer when that bandit came back alive after being defeated by our MC, breaking your rules at the very same episode it was established isn't a good look.

There's also the fact that these people possess advanced technology yet they can't go over the wall. I know it's supposed to be a big mystery but a simple explanation wouldn't hurt.

Ah what the hell, this is just the first episode so I'll give this one another 1-3 eps to explain.
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Junko_Simp04 said:
NG_Chloe said:
You actually finished the episode?! I just left after the sheriff got out her mecha armband, and even then, my brain had already lost this show around the first mecha fight scene, when the guys who lost were like "I don't wanna die!"


Yeah I was close to dropping this anime due to that particular scene. Even closer when that bandit came back alive after being defeated by our MC, breaking your rules at the very same episode it was established isn't a good look.

There's also the fact that these people possess advanced technology yet they can't go over the wall. I know it's supposed to be a big mystery but a simple explanation wouldn't hurt.

Ah what the hell, this is just the first episode so I'll give this one another 1-3 eps to explain.


Good luck, your a hero for going through with it
Jan 10, 2021 6:05 PM
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idk, midnight seems like an odd airing slot for kids anime
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NG_Chloe said:
Junko_Simp04 said:


Yeah I was close to dropping this anime due to that particular scene. Even closer when that bandit came back alive after being defeated by our MC, breaking your rules at the very same episode it was established isn't a good look.

There's also the fact that these people possess advanced technology yet they can't go over the wall. I know it's supposed to be a big mystery but a simple explanation wouldn't hurt.

Ah what the hell, this is just the first episode so I'll give this one another 1-3 eps to explain.


Good luck, your a hero for going through with it


you literally have symphogear in your favorites
Jan 11, 2021 1:42 AM

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I think it will become less lighthearted as the show goes on. If it is a kids show they wouldn't air it at midnight
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People should have known because Kazuki Nakashima is your script writer.He doesn't give a shit about anything.You don't try to understand it you just feel it and it's the case with Gurren Lagann and Kill la Kill.

The mechs work on the power of conviction which was like a major theme in Gurren Lagann.Also it's just the first episode.
Why would they explain everything?Can't you see the people think this containers from space are a gift of god.And they aren't aware of civilization.beyond the walls like the entire existence of Back Arrow.And we don't know the conditions for crossing the wall.What if the mechs freeze or something or tech doesn't work there.
Just like you can give thousand reasons why the concept of wall sucks you don't know yourself why people can't get over the wall.

Maybe I'll agree with your criticism as time goes on.But for now it still looks like a mystery to me.
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sonofbatmanrp13 said:
it's just the first episode. Why would they explain everything?


I know people usually don't read the rest of comments before replying, but as said some comments above: it's not about explaining the whole mystery in episode 1, since obviously there would be no story left to tell. It's about explaining to the reader/viewer the basic limitations on why the characters can't understand completely the mystery yet. I cited Made in Abyss and Attack on Titan as examples, and you can add The Promised Neverland to that. From ep 1 you're able to understand why the characters can't resolve the mystery yet (instead of just ignoring it completely), and then you're satisfied to enjoy the story as the whole point is about solving that mystery.

Anyway, the wall thing was just one of the points of the post, and at the end it's a matter of personal taste (storytelling style, comedy, cringe lines, etc), so all is good.
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skysurf said:
sonofbatmanrp13 said:
it's just the first episode. Why would they explain everything?


I know people usually don't read the rest of comments before replying, but as said some comments above: it's not about explaining the whole mystery in episode 1, since obviously there would be no story left to tell. It's about explaining to the reader/viewer the basic limitations on why the characters can't understand completely the mystery yet. I cited Made in Abyss and Attack on Titan as examples, and you can add The Promised Neverland to that. From ep 1 you're able to understand why the characters can't resolve the mystery yet (instead of just ignoring it completely), and then you're satisfied to enjoy the story as the whole point is about solving that mystery.

Anyway, the wall thing was just one of the points of the post, and at the end it's a matter of personal taste (storytelling style, comedy, cringe lines, etc), so all is good.
They are more on the psychological side and Back Arrow doesn't lean to it.The walls is a mystery and they didn't provide any reasons to why it's not explorable.Attack on Titan had Titans roaming outside the walls.Promise Neverland has devil outside their farms.And nobody knows exactly the depth of Abyss or how it works.

You never know the reason behind the walls.And you don't know why it's impossible to cross them.I mean do know the circumstances or condition about crossing the walls.Wasn't it a taboo to cross the walls in AoT or TPN.You don't know the exact circumstances.The first episode set the narrative for the MC,the mechs and two warring states.

And getting mad over the undies jokes.ait was literally in the episode title,"Do people from Sky wear undies".

As for your other comments.
Those space capsules are like gift of gods.or atleast that's what the people think.And are you seriously angry at bunch of kids trying to eat BackArrow's ass when it was used for comedy.Just because it doesn't click with yiur sense of humour doesn't make it childish.

I may agree with you if the the further episodes don't do much with it.but it's too early to judge anything.And I don't get why you're so salty about it.I mean you clearly haven't seen much Super Robot Anime or toku series.And I can clearly see why you're missing the appeal of the show.
If you find it childish you can just move on to one of those deeply psychological shows targeted toward teenagers as the very ones you mentioned
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Nyron said:
NG_Chloe said:


Good luck, your a hero for going through with it


you literally have symphogear in your favorites


And Symphogear has better: Pacing, characters, music, style, animation, fights, concepts, plot(s), set up, and a significantly better first episode. So what's your point?
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I don't get why you're so salty about it

As I said, it's a matter of personal taste, so I think we both agree on that. Not sure what makes you think I'm angered or something. If anything, I got some interesting recommendations from this thread.
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you literally have symphogear in your favorites


And Symphogear has better: Pacing, characters, music, style, animation, fights, concepts, plot(s), set up, and a significantly better first episode. So what's your point?


i also love Symphogear and while the show has big peaks, on average, it's pretty much the same campy content as this series, to the point where I wouldn't put them in different leagues in any area (outside of Symphogear's OST and random bouts of sakuga)

they're the same asinine joke content for basically the same audience
and not to mention symphogear's first season is very jank and bad, much moreso than this show
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Nyron said:
NG_Chloe said:


And Symphogear has better: Pacing, characters, music, style, animation, fights, concepts, plot(s), set up, and a significantly better first episode. So what's your point?


i also love Symphogear and while the show has big peaks, on average, it's pretty much the same campy content as this series, to the point where I wouldn't put them in different leagues in any area (outside of Symphogear's OST and random bouts of sakuga)

they're the same asinine joke content for basically the same audience
and not to mention symphogear's first season is very jank and bad, much moreso than this show


You have point that the series has a lot in common with Back Arrow conceptually, but I think that the dirt is in the details, and the details say, for me at least,
Symphogear- LEGENDARY
Back Arrow- not for me, if you like Promare you might like it, but I didn't like promare either. I think this writer's style just isn't for me
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skysurf said:
Scordolo said:
judging the whole anime in just 1 episode?Who does that?


I understand what you mean. I know it doesn't sound nice and maybe even sound unfair to the effort of producing a whole show, but as a simple viewer, at the end of the day the free time for watching anime is limited and I can't simply watch all seasonal shows, so yes, many of them will get filtered out based on the first episode(s)...

Animation studios are probably aware of this since it's common to see top notch animation for first episodes and carefully designing the story to be as engaging as possible in ep1 to hook the viewers into their show (since they're competing with many others).

I may give this one a couple more episodes though! Cheers.


Whether you watch a few more episodes or not, the rest of the people won't care. You have proven that you are one of those people who judge anime in one episode, and open a topic for the sake of spitting your hate unnecessarily. You don't even let the anime start and give it a chance that you're already in some ridiculous drifts. You are on the pathetic level of critical thinking.

I felt the same for people who are already writing an entire review based on a single episode, it's absolutely ridiculous and it doesn't make sense.

Damn, 2021 has barely started though, and kids who think they have a refined critical mind are opening topics for no reason to base their opinion on an entire series. Why not keep your review to yourself and avoid opening a topic unnecessarily ?
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ah yes, the typical "I don't care about your opinion but I'll still write an essay about it" lol.

here's a few shocking facts for you:

1) yes, people decide whether they like an anime or not whithin the first episode(s). It's not like you need to follow a show for 3 months to realize the obvious.

2) yes, people post both positive and critical opinions on general anime forums like MAL. If you want 100% positive reviews about the show/author/genre that you like, consider joining a fan club forum instead.

3) yes, this particular website allows ratings and preliminary reviews. If you disagree with that, go cry with MAL staff, I'm sure they will totally care about your opinion :)
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Jesus man, these brats talk as if having watched more anime makes their opinion better...

I share some of the same thoughts on the first episode OP, with one difference, I think it was a good decision to not tell a lot about the story surrounding the wall, because that mystery is the only thing I care about after watching the first episode, and it's the only reason I will maybe watch the second episode...

The mecha designs, and particularly the humor are cringy/childish af.
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this is soft science fiction and not hard science fiction anyway so relax and dont look for realism much
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skysurf said:
A civilization advanced enough to have mechas, flying vehicles, advanced weapons, remote video communications, satellite/aerial imagery, etc and yet they worship a wall as a god??...

And they think "there's nothing beyond the wall"?... Do they think their planet is flat? Don't they have any knowledge of astronomy? Why are they not researching the nature and composition of the wall instead of worshiping it?

Despite their technology/science advancements, they're ready to try to cook and eat some unknown metallic capsule without even checking its content? Are they supposed to have the intelligence of a Neanderthal? (like the girl with zero self-preservation instincts that jumps off a cliff as a game)... and after the capsule "content" is revealed, you would think even a dumb animal would recognize one of its own species instead of trying to bite his ass...

The dialog lines of the red hair commander while he fights are CRINGE af, and the MC with amnesia that is powerful but with an innocent personality feels generic as something we've seen many times before... (example, Goku from Dragon Ball)

Oh and an underwear joke that drags for half an episode, really?... Is this one of those shows where you have to shut your brain off to enjoy it? How could this be done by the same creator of Code Geass? A kid's mecha show like Power Rangers feels more elaborated than this one.

Knowing nothing about this show, this cracked me up.
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I definitely got this feeling from the first 3 episodes (all that I've watched) and had the thought that it felt like a morning cartoon that a kid would like
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skysurf said:
A civilization advanced enough to have mechas, flying vehicles, advanced weapons, remote video communications, satellite/aerial imagery, etc and yet they worship a wall as a god??...

And they think "there's nothing beyond the wall"?... Do they think their planet is flat? Don't they have any knowledge of astronomy? Why are they not researching the nature and composition of the wall instead of worshiping it?

Despite their technology/science advancements, they're ready to try to cook and eat some unknown metallic capsule without even checking its content? Are they supposed to have the intelligence of a Neanderthal? (like the girl with zero self-preservation instincts that jumps off a cliff as a game)... and after the capsule "content" is revealed, you would think even a dumb animal would recognize one of its own species instead of trying to bite his ass...

The dialog lines of the red hair commander while he fights are CRINGE af, and the MC with amnesia that is powerful but with an innocent personality feels generic as something we've seen many times before... (example, Goku from Dragon Ball)

Oh and an underwear joke that drags for half an episode, really?... Is this one of those shows where you have to shut your brain off to enjoy it? How could this be done by the same creator of Code Geass? A kid's mecha show like Power Rangers feels more elaborated than this one.


“Oh and an underwear joke that drags for half an episode” this was my problem with konosuba lol literal elementary school comedy it’s cringe
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Cazador75 said:
Jesus man, these brats talk as if having watched more anime makes their opinion better...

I share some of the same thoughts on the first episode OP, with one difference, I think it was a good decision to not tell a lot about the story surrounding the wall, because that mystery is the only thing I care about after watching the first episode, and it's the only reason I will maybe watch the second episode...

The mecha designs, and particularly the humor are cringy/childish af.

>cringy and childish
>all of this users favorites are shounen anime, including fucking SAO

lmao
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Nyron said:
Cazador75 said:
Jesus man, these brats talk as if having watched more anime makes their opinion better...

I share some of the same thoughts on the first episode OP, with one difference, I think it was a good decision to not tell a lot about the story surrounding the wall, because that mystery is the only thing I care about after watching the first episode, and it's the only reason I will maybe watch the second episode...

The mecha designs, and particularly the humor are cringy/childish af.

>cringy and childish
>all of this users favorites are shounen anime, including fucking SAO

lmao


Imagine being an elitist with Japanese Cartoons of all things.
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Damolisher said:
Nyron said:

>cringy and childish
>all of this users favorites are shounen anime, including fucking SAO

lmao


Imagine being an elitist with Japanese Cartoons of all things.


imagine thinking my post is more elitist than interring anything as "childish"
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Nyron said:
Damolisher said:


Imagine being an elitist with Japanese Cartoons of all things.


imagine thinking my post is more elitist than interring anything as "childish"


It's not just this post I'm referring to, jerky.

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Stark700 - Jan 29, 2021

52 by AMBITZZ »»
Jul 16, 2024 6:54 AM
Itโ€™s time to ditch the text file.
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