Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| I watched ReZero not to long ago, without knowing too much about expect being spoiled that Subaru dies too many times. I've seen too many people saying Subaru is incredibly annoying and worst mc whereas Rem is best female char/best girl when they aren't much different. Subaru fell for Emilia when he got saved by her similarly how Subaru saved Rem and she started loving him. Some says Subaru simps for Emilia but so does Rem for Subaru. Subaru's actions at the ceremony at Capital are often said idiotic and annoys fans, which I won't deny but neither agree too. Rem knowing that Subaru likes someone else still clinges too much to Subaru. Some might say this discrimination is due to Subaru rejecting Rem but isn't it the opposite ?? Subaru was ready to run from all the problems with Rem but it was her who stopped him . So, I'd ask what I mentioned in the tiltw, why there's hate for Subaru but love for Rem when they're pretty much similar with not much difference in their actions ? |
ClanSh-V6 said: So, I'd ask what I mentioned in the tiltw, why there's hate for Subaru but love for Rem when they're pretty much similar with not much difference in their actions ? In a manner, those people pointed fingers at Subaru for being a simp. Tappei (the author) then pointed fingers at those readers/viewers for not doing the same for Rem. Smart move. But yes, she is just as clingy to Subaru as much as Subaru behaved around Emilia. Furthermore, Rem is fetishized in the eyes of many as the optimal 'waifu', a being who will do anything for a person even if they least expect it. It embodies the perfect subservient house-wife sensibilities, a wife who views her husband as a the embodiment of god. I will avoid getting into the finer details on cultures in Asia though. Therefore, it is only logical to see that to such people, Rem cannot be hated for having these particular subset of admirable qualities and she will continually be seen through waifu goggles in good faith. Call it blind faith or whatever. I don't know the general consensus of those who read the LN/WN and saw very different shades to her characterization. People just have different expectations from women, let them have it. If it gives you any peace of mind, I dislike Rem for the same reason I initially disliked Subaru (but the dislike grew stronger only after diving into the WN). |
KreatorXAug 15, 2020 6:32 AM
 Truly a Divine Comedy  |
| Rem is a girl, and as you know all anime fans are male. |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| Rem is best girl, I dont know why Subaru is getting hate. Any and all hate should be directed towards Emilia |
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| I'm fair. I dislike them both. Toxic obsessive love. Remu is now a vegetable, and i hope Subaru to soon turns into one (if he enter in coma, the Return by Death is useless.. Ah if the enemies knew it). Then the MC legitimately will be Emilia, just as like in Frozen Bonds. Great deal. |
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Rob7 said: I'm fair. I dislike them both. Toxic obsessive love. Remu is now a vegetable, and i hope Subaru to soon turns into one (if he enter in coma, the Return by Death is useless.. Ah if the enemies knew it). Then the MC legitimately will be Emilia, just as like in Frozen Bonds. Great deal. This....actually doesn't sound too bad. lol But then again, Satella is such a black box. I think she will just crush Subaru's heart and restart him, if he ever fell into coma. |
| Truly a Divine Comedy |
| looking at it from an objective point of view, i think it's because subaru is the mc and he is not special enough, while rem is just a side character, not even the main female lead, and she's too unique and special to just be a side piece. so naturally people root for her but not subaru. plus, because subaru is the mc (and he's THAT type, y'know, the average high school kid) we see everything about him, including his positive AND negative aspects, while for Rem we were pretty much only shown her positive side and no negative sides. |
ClanSh-V6 said: I watched ReZero not to long ago, without knowing too much about expect being spoiled that Subaru dies too many times. I've seen too many people saying Subaru is incredibly annoying and worst mc whereas Rem is best female char/best girl when they aren't much different. Subaru fell for Emilia when he got saved by her similarly how Subaru saved Rem and she started loving him. Some says Subaru simps for Emilia but so does Rem for Subaru. Subaru's actions at the ceremony at Capital are often said idiotic and annoys fans, which I won't deny but neither agree too. Rem knowing that Subaru likes someone else still clinges too much to Subaru. Some might say this discrimination is due to Subaru rejecting Rem but isn't it the opposite ?? Subaru was ready to run from all the problems with Rem but it was her who stopped him . So, I'd ask what I mentioned in the tiltw, why there's hate for Subaru but love for Rem when they're pretty much similar with not much difference in their actions ? First off, Subaru loves Emilia because she is hot (just look at the anime figures in his room). The reason we are given is because she "saved" him, but she didn't actually do all that much. Other girls in the series have done way more to save Subaru than Emilia has, but he doesn't fall in love with them. Compare Emilia saving Subaru to Subaru saving Rem. They are completely different. Subaru isn't much of a fighter. He doesn't have any powers (that Rem knows of) and yet he risked life and limb to save her. He is her hero. Emilia isn't really a hero to Subaru, and she isn't presented that way. If anything, up until now, she is usually presented as a girl that needs saving by him. Secondly, their personalities are COMPLETELY different. People don't hate Subaru simply because of how he is in love with Emilia. It's because he is a total ass, at least in the first season. Recall Subaru's argument with Emilia. What does he say to her? He argues how she wouldn't even be here without him, how he saved her, and how Emilia owes him. This is like, borderline incel behaviour. Do you think Rem would ever say something like that to Subaru? He is obnoxious, totally full of himself, I cringe every time he says "Emilia-tan", even Subaru knows how big of a shithead he is. So I have no idea how you could say Subaru and Rem are pretty much the same. Saying all this as a guy who doesn't hate Subaru. |
AbsurdTurk said: Oh yeah, I'm sorry for the late reply: I've been looking for the thread where we discussed Re: Zero, but couldn't find it, for some reason. The reason I didn't reply to you on that thread is because I realized: I've already made up most of my mind on this series. So debating a topic that I almost refuse to change my mind on is a disservice to the other party, and is unproductive. My last reply from that thread didn't have anything to do with changing your mind on Subaru. I only challenged the claim of : Subaru being hated as a result of him being 'poorly written'. Because it doesn't reliably explain his garnered hate if I started digging deeper. The more compelling reasons were due to him being a class-clown that many people seemingly have trouble identifying (understandably, they found him annoying), his ugly entitled attitude around Emilia after he misunderstood her 'lap-pillow' scene, and more importantly yet laughably, that whole "I love Emilia" bomb with Rem. The reply also addressed why fans enjoy the retrospective viewing and subtlety aspect of Re:zero. I believe you mentioned stuff like "I just knew fans were over-speculating his back story...like his mom didn't give him food or shelter". There were also other fans who went beyond and figured out his backstory to a good degree: stemming from Subaru's first chat with Reinhard wherein there was a change in his expression upon hearing Reinhard say "I'm under the pressure of meeting family expectations" [I think it was Episode 2, in the alley after calling the guards for help]. We have some pieces to form an idea of his backstory as well as Subaru's nature/behaviour from Season 1 : escapist, class-clown, attention-seeking, nice-guy complex, and so on. All so that that people can try joining the dots to speculate and get them confirmed eventually [which I believe this season helped shed some light upon]. On the contrary if his backstory was already shown in Season 1, then Re:zero loses out on one of the reasons why fans like viewing many scenes from this series in retrospect. It's a little mystery of its own. It's not just limited to him, it's the same with someone who is seemingly bland like Emilia: It also doesn't take much to realize why Subaru would end up falling for Emilia because of the preferential treatment he had received, whereas others were busy suspecting or killing him off for their own reasons. I do understand that Re:zero's "show but don't tell" approach can appear non-linear in some ways. It's just that its very nature allows fans to spark up discussions, re-watch or re-read. |
KreatorXAug 22, 2020 5:03 AM
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Amatniki said: Rem is best girl, I dont know why Subaru is getting hate. Any and all hate should be directed towards Emilia But why would you hate Emilia? Salty remtard? |
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| Sorry to interrupt you, but who is Rem? |
| Most hate for Subaru won't exist if Episode 18 hadn't gone the way it did. It's a truth that Subaru was certainly annoying to an extent in first Season. Most Remfags hate Subaru for loving Emilia and for the same reason they hate Emilia |
enigma_MCu said: Saku_k said: First off, Subaru loves Emilia because she is hot (just look at the anime figures in his room). The reason we are given is because she "saved" him, but she didn't actually do all that much. Other girls in the series have done way more to save Subaru than Emilia has, but he doesn't fall in love with them. Compare Emilia saving Subaru to Subaru saving Rem. They are completely different. Subaru isn't much of a fighter. He doesn't have any powers (that Rem knows of) and yet he risked life and limb to save her. He is her hero. Emilia isn't really a hero to Subaru, and she isn't presented that way. If anything, up until now, she is usually presented as a girl that needs saving by him. Secondly, their personalities are COMPLETELY different. People don't hate Subaru simply because of how he is in love with Emilia. It's because he is a total ass, at least in the first season. Recall Subaru's argument with Emilia. What does he say to her? He argues how she wouldn't even be here without him, how he saved her, and how Emilia owes him. This is like, borderline incel behaviour. Do you think Rem would ever say something like that to Subaru? He is obnoxious, totally full of himself, I cringe every time he says "Emilia-tan", even Subaru knows how big of a shithead he is. So I have no idea how you could say Subaru and Rem are pretty much the same. Saying all this as a guy who doesn't hate Subaru. I find this hilarous when you don't know how badly Subaru and Rem as literally mirrors to each other when comes to their own behaviors I can literally make entire list on why Rem is a selfish, delusional problem child as much as Subaru is. Hell I can even tell you about some toxic behaviors Emilia has on Subaru during Arc 3-4. I also like how you say Subaru "loves" Emilia because she saved him actually no he doesn't love Emilia because she saved him, he felt indebt because she saved him but not reason he loves her at all. Make the list of Rem and Subaru being mirrors of each other. Subaru feeling in debt to Emilia for saving him is false. Just like the guy said, he likes her because of his Otaku fantasy. Everything he likes about Emilia comes from the novels he read. His room explains my point. Subaru clearly wants much more from Emilia than just re-paying a debt. |
cupcake847Dec 18, 2021 4:24 PM
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
| Because you're talking about Rem from episode 18 onwards, which is when her character was completely ruined. |
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