Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters Episode 1 Discussion

Kanijo said:
How was it poorly done? It did a pretty good job of introducing the main characters (Haru and Gatchmon). We know their general personalities, the dilemmas that they will most likely be facing, and introduced the mechanics to how their fighting works. Pretty decent coverage of the supporting cast, which would most likely lead to seeing them more in the future. I personally like the slight silliness, but it does still handle the serious emotional aspect pretty well.

Rei366 said:
@BliuBliu At least they are trying to do new things under this brand, even if it doesn't work for most historical watchers. Adventure Tri and this thing are taking directions not seen before in the franchise.
Giving more personality to the "partners" is a good idea.

BliuBliu said:

Of course you know their general personalities. It doesn't mean the introduction was handled well just because of that. The characters are thrown into our faces with no subtlety. It felt like the episode just wanted to get over them as quickly as possible to get to the lackluster battle scene. The main character reacted completely unnaturally to what was happening. His "main/side character" talk was a cringy try to be meta.

"It handles the serious emotional aspect pretty well" ...how? By Haru going "I have to protect everyone!" out of the blue? We know he is a softer person (like Takato in Tamers) and he gets thrown into an unknown dimension and suddenly becomes resolute? I don't think so.

Kanijo said:
His talk about main characters was sparked by his favorite aspect of his favorite books. He loves reading stories about heroic main characters and idolizes them. Haru has a pretty poor opinion of himself and has come to accept his lack of heroic qualities as a reality, but reading allows him to live vicariously through these heroes, without having to face the difficulties these heroes face. So when he was confronted with a problem that only a hero could solve, he didn't want to be a part of it, and wanted someone else to do it. He is a side character in his own mind. While their dialogue is very on the nose, I still liked the character that is presented and how it is handled in the story.

I wouldn't call his "I have to protect everyone" moment out of the blue. He gave up and wanted to be saved from Messemon. He was put into a situation in which he is literally the only one who can save his new friend, all Haru has to do is build up the courage to stare danger in the face (which is something his favorite heroes would do). Haru has been contemplating all day on whether he could actually be a hero himself, but his poor self image has been preventing him from seeing himself as anything more than just a side character. But when thrusted into a situation of "Be a hero or people die", he emulates what a hero would do, and then builds the courage to stand out of desperation for the life of his new friend, and his own life.

BliuBliu said:
I get all that, but the problem is the execution of it. All these things happened very quickly with not enough build up and time for the viewer to properly absorb these characters. Add to that how Haru unnaturally reacted to all these supernatural things, poor enemy Digimon design and a battle with no sense of peril and you get the episode that just isn't captivating. This is like if Takato decided it was ok for Guilmon to fight in the first episode of Digimon Tamers, or Ruki changing her ways and calling Renamon her friend in the span of one episode. This anime needs to slow down a bit.

BliuBliu said:


I get all that, but the problem is the execution of it. All these things happened very quickly with not enough build up and time for the viewer to properly absorb these characters. Add to that how Haru unnaturally reacted to all these supernatural things, poor enemy Digimon design and a battle with no sense of peril and you get the episode that just isn't captivating. This is like if Takato decided it was ok for Guilmon to fight in the first episode of Digimon Tamers, or Ruki changing her ways and calling Renamon her friend in the span of one episode. This anime needs to slow down a bit.

DATS24 said:
you still call them "Digimon"? oh man....
unnatural? it seems pretty natural to me. The way he seemed that the vending machine was a prank described it pretty much, also the way that supernatural thing affected the real world directly especially Haru himself. I don't know what seems wrong to you, as if there's also not wrong with how adv 02, frontier, and savers, and XW did.

I really agree what Kanijo said.

BliuBliu said:
I'm pretty sure I acknowledged that Frontier and Savers in particular had a bad start in my earlier post. My problem with Haru is that he was suprised in the beginning but then immediatly after he's completely unfazed by the weird occurences. He gets used to it a bit too quickly. There wasn't enough time for him to naturally get used to these supernatural things. I feel it's something that could have been handled better by now. Maybe it's time for a new Digimon series to learn from the mistakes of the past ones. This just doesn't seem to be the one from what we've seen so far, I guess.

Kanijo said:
Haru is a pretty smart kid, and Gatchmon is a very knowledgeable guide. Gatchmon is helping Haru learn and understand what is going on regarding to the Appmon. I'm pretty sure that if Gatchmon wasn't guiding Haru through the weirdness, Haru would be much more scared and confused than he already is. Alot of Haru's confidence comes from having such a reliable partner like Gatchmon.

BliuBliu said:
But they've just met, that's the point. You're talking as if they know each for quite some time. Anyways, we obviously disagree about this. I'm not sure you even get my point that the pacing was way too fast so I'll stop replying. Hope you continue to enjoy this show and I hope it will get better so I can enjoy it as well.

BliuBliu said:

But they've just met, that's the point. You're talking as if they know each for quite some time. Anyways, we obviously disagree about this. I'm not sure you even get my point that the pacing was way too fast so I'll stop replying. Hope you continue to enjoy this show and I hope it will get better so I can enjoy it as well.

DATS24 said:
same like in Savers eps 1. Masaru and Agumon just have met recently, and guess what Masaru did. It's nothing different. They've just met, yeah, but who could just stand by seeing someone being hurt numerous times? Ah not to mention eps 1 of XW too, Taiki felt the same.

Look at Adventure eps 2, when Shellmon attacks, what did Taichi do? Yeah, more or less same, only he's more reckless. But the objective is same. Why he can evolve agumon? coz his "friend" is in danger. They've just met recently, but why they can do it? You didn't even complain about that?

It's been very classic in most of digimon series. So you're just being biased

BliuBliu said:

Just because past Digimon seasons had these flaws, doesn't mean I should overlook when this series does the same. I always judge a series by its own merit unless it's a direct sequel, which Appli Monsters isn't. The first episode sucked. The directing, pacing, dialogue, enemy design and battle sucked and I would say the same if this was the first Digimon series ever produced. So no, I'm not biased. Is there a possibility for this to become great by the end? Yes, there is a slight possibility. Do I expect it to be? Not at all.

DATS24 said:
you're just complaining of a classic thing happened in all previous series. Flaw? this has been the way they do marketing of showing "monster of the week" since adventure, pretty classic even in the V-Tamer manga (before adventure anime). If not, how the fuck they would market the series to younger kids?

Pacing sucks? So what are you wishing it to be? Remember that this is a 52 episodes anime. You can't just compare this one with 12 or 24 anime episodes.

BliuBliu said:

Maybe instead of half-assingly shoehorning cliches into the first episode for the sole purpose of "marketing", they could try to make an effort and release something that has good directing, script, music and a fight that's at least exciting. I think younger kids would appreciate that a lot. Also, it seems you fail to understand the fact that we're talking about this episode, not the whole series that hasn't even aired yet. And the episode sucked. I'm sorry you're getting triggered because of me pointing out its flaws, but you'll just have to learn to deal with it. That's all I have to say on this matter. Like I told the other guy, I hope you continue enjoying this and I hope that as the series progresses, I'll be able to do so as well. Peace.

ZBlastHistory said:
w



partner being replace by buddy

ZBlastHistory said:
what the hell L even doing here revenge kira?

for first ep all they said is main character/are you main character etc


partner being replace by buddy