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p-kun said:
Meeting room:
- The guys are making a fuss that Miwa has calmed down.

Lmao that's exactly what I wanted to hear xD
Chances that Miwa will turn into Eren (Attack on Titan) went down a bit.

Edit: Also that part about growing Trion Organs since childhood...
So wait this is possible? Osamu is still quite young so maybe he could increase his Trion Ability in addition to his training?

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Oct 22, 2015 7:43 AM

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That's a pretty good cliffhanger to leave on. Also it looks like Miwa and Azuma have some history. I'd like to see more that.

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Oct 22, 2015 10:26 AM

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Botato said:

Edit: Also that part about growing Trion Organs since childhood...
So wait this is possible? Osamu is still quite young so maybe he could increase his Trion Ability in addition to his training?

According to twitter Q&A, the more you use your trion organ, the more it develops. It tends to stop growing around age 20. It's another reason why Border agents are on the younger side; that way they can develop the organ more. So people like Konami and Jin must've developed their trion organs a lot since they started really young (and both probably had higher than average; Jin for his SE and Konami has to have some reason to be involved at a young age, right?)

Still makes me wonder if Azuma has a lot then, since he and Sawamura must have joined around 20/21. Oh, and they had a nice interaction in the background of this chapter! It's too bad she transferred to administration; I wonder if she ever tried being a combatant first.

Oct 22, 2015 10:55 AM

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Botato said:

Edit: Also that part about growing Trion Organs since childhood...
So wait this is possible? Osamu is still quite young so maybe he could increase his Trion Ability in addition to his training?

According to twitter Q&A, the more you use your trion organ, the more it develops. It tends to stop growing around age 20. It's another reason why Border agents are on the younger side; that way they can develop the organ more. So people like Konami and Jin must've developed their trion organs a lot since they started really young (and both probably had higher than average; Jin for his SE and Konami has to have some reason to be involved at a young age, right?)

Still makes me wonder if Azuma has a lot then, since he and Sawamura must have joined around 20/21. Oh, and they had a nice interaction in the background of this chapter! It's too bad she transferred to administration; I wonder if she ever tried being a combatant first.

Azuma and Sawamura were probably agents during the 15 years prior to Border going public.

Oct 22, 2015 11:07 AM

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Oh. I didn't read any Q&As or extra materials aside from some character profiles so I didn't know lol. It might have been mentioned somewhere else too but I missed it.

Anyway that's good to know, explains why Nasu is so strong, since she's sick she has to rely on her trion body more than her real one.

Midorikawa, Futaba, and others who are still very young have potential to be very OP in the future. And if Chika's trion ability can get even higher, then I don't even want to know how scary she'll be.
So C-Ranks with weak trion ability are stuck in C-Rank doing rank battles until they grow strong trion and advance? Lol sounds kinda cruel but funny.

Azuma has always been a sniper so I'm assuming he has medium trion ability (I think snipers don't need as much as shooters since they are supposed to attack when they can definitely get a hit, otherwise their location is revealed and they lose), also his Ibis was kinda weak in the invasion arc so yeah probably medium trion.

Dues-aj said:
Azuma and Sawamura were probably agents during the 15 years prior to Border going public.

...

Or this. I almost forgot that Azuma is Border's first sniper.

Oct 22, 2015 2:29 PM

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Sad that the Kako story was fake, that would have been a good development :(

Oct 22, 2015 6:54 PM

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Botato said:
Oh. I didn't read any Q&As or extra materials aside from some character profiles so I didn't know lol. It might have been mentioned somewhere else too but I missed it.

Dues-aj said:
Azuma and Sawamura were probably agents during the 15 years prior to Border going public.

...

Or this. I almost forgot that Azuma is Border's first sniper.

Chippokenabokura's tumblr has a lot of translations. Well, except for some minor things in the volumes, but that makes it a surprise when you see it (at least that's how I felt when I found things in my physical volumes). If you'd like to see extra stuff, check out the blog! The extra info helps a lot sometimes.

I kind of feel like Azuma and Sawamura aren't part of Old Border. Or if they were, maybe they were around the time Karasawa joined which was at the very end of Old Border (before they became public). I just went back to check the anime intro stuff and it shows them with Kogetsu, guns, and, shooting stuff. So I guess it is possible that they were, although I'm guessing they joined Old Border right before the first invasion. Old Border only had like 10 people, right? And we don't know about 3 of them? Oh gosh, I really hope we get flashback, but it probably won't be for a long time. Like, until we get some Kido and Yuugo issue or something. I desperately hope we get a fanbook of sorts with all this extra info, it'd be great.

Edit: Just remembered I wanted to reply to this lol.
I don't think Azuma's Ibis in the invasion arc was weak? I don't think we've seen much that can be considered... an average sized shot? It's just that Chika's overpowers everyone else's so I doubt Azuma has just decent trion levels. But who knows, his tactician skills probably helps a lot of he doesn't have as much trion.

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Oct 22, 2015 6:55 PM

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Botato said:
Midorikawa, Futaba, and others who are still very young have potential to be very OP in the future. And if Chika's trion ability can get even higher, then I don't even want to know how scary she'll be.
So C-Ranks with weak trion ability are stuck in C-Rank doing rank battles until they grow strong trion and advance? Lol sounds kinda cruel but funny.

Not true. C-Ranks are stuck in C-Rank until they have good SKILL to advance. Border doesn't accept low trion agent to begin with (aside from Osamu who got rejected and got in only because Jin said so). After someone get accepted, only skills matter.

Osamu spent 7 borders as C-rank before meeting Yuuma, but the reason he couldn't graduate by merit was not because of his low trion, but his weak skill. If you perfect all training like Yuuma, Tokieda said it takes around 4-5 months (?) to graduate to B-Rank. Normal C-Rank probably needs double that amount, say 1 year to graduate. Osamu probably needs even more time to graduate by merit considering his performance in Chapter 1 where he couldn't defeat an enemy that a C-rank is expected to defeat on his FIRST DAY even with 7 months of training - I mean, shouldn't he know to target the eye after 7 months of training? (though, this can be writing inconsistency, as Osamu performs ok after ch 1).

Speaking of trion amount, we don't know how many times kids can grow their organ. But I always assume that Osamu will have normal trion amount by the time he's 20 (after this age, trion amount will decline). Perhaps this is too optimistic.

Let's see. We have seen Osamu's cube back then. Replica said you needed 3 times that amount to be considered high trion. So let's assume Osamu's trion = 1 Osamu (Let's use Osamu as trion measurement unit, hehe). Average Border agent's trion = 3 Osamus. Chika's cube was around 3 (?) times wider, so Chika's trion = 27 Osamus. I always assume Osamu can reach 3 Osamus by the time he's 20.

Osamu generally uses 2x2x2 shooter cubes. Nasu uses two 3x3x3 as composite bullets a lot, which I assume to be 2 times the cost cause 1 composite cube costs 2 normal cubes, so she might be 7 Osamus. Izumi usually uses 2 cubes of 3x3x3, so he's around 7 Osamus. Ninomiya only uses one cube but it's huge, so uh, I don't know, say 1.5 (?) times wider than one Nasu's cube. So Ninomiya is around 11 Osamus. Note that Ninomiya's trion will decline going forward (though it might take a while considering that he's still active), while Izumi/Nasu have 3 years to increase their trion.

icecreamsnow said:
Sad that the Kako story was fake, that would have been a good development :(

Yes, what a bummer. I should have known better that there's no easy way out for Osamu outside of fanfiction (most fake spoilers are easy to spot because they make Osamu do something cooler than what he is capable of in the canon). I'll double down precaution next time.

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Botato said:

Osamu generally uses 2x2x2 shooter cubes. Nasu uses two 3x3x3 as composite bullets a lot, which I assume to be 2 times the cost cause 1 composite cube costs 2 normal cubes, so she might be 7 Osamus. Izumi usually uses 2 cubes of 3x3x3, so he's around 7 Osamus. Ninomiya only uses one cube but it's huge, so uh, I don't know, say 1.5 (?) times wider than one Nasu's cube. So Ninomiya is around 11 Osamus. Note that Ninomiya's trion will decline going forward (though it might take a while considering that he's still active), while Izumi/Nasu have 3 years to increase their trion.

I think Izumi has more than Ninomiya and Nasu. Ashihara mentioned him to be a prodigy of trion amount

Oct 22, 2015 7:52 PM

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Dues-aj said:

I think Izumi has more than Ninomiya and Nasu. Ashihara mentioned him to be a prodigy of trion amount

I'm not going back to check or anything, but I feel that it looks like Ninomiya and Izumi have about the same amount? We haven't gotten a comment about Ninomiya after all, but he is no.2 overall so that's pretty impressive. But if Izumi's is the same size at a younger age, I guess that's what makes him special?
Though it's hard to tell due to the fact he splits it differently. I guess Nino has to make sure he keeps up in training so his trion doesn't decline. While we don't see it, Shinoda seems to be training everyday and I really want to know what he does. Does he spar with Tachikawa and others? Virtual training rooms doesn't count after all.

I want to see someone draw this out xD Little Osamus in cubes as trion units lol Then stack them up to the a character to compare trion levels.

If you take a close look at the anniversary drawings (the one with the 4 main protags, T2 + Jin), you can see that Osamu's trion levels got a little higher. It's still rather small though. Osamu's still got a long road ahead of him!

Oct 23, 2015 12:37 AM

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Oh...the guys from Aftrokrator's vassal countries go to "bury a dog"....I remember reading Chippokenabokura's tumblr and see an anon who suggested the idea of upcoming attack to be directed at Hyuse. That anon deserves cookies... :D
Anyway...I wonder if Jin foresees this and this is his actual reason of suggesting a bet to Hyuse back in ch 111...

It'd be interesting to see lead bullet + Ibis combination works in a match...
Miwa calming down is <3
P.S. Fingers crossed on Ashihara-sensei's condition is getting better.

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Oct 23, 2015 12:54 AM

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Good Chapter. Thanks for traslation, P-Kun

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- Yuuma is training, Chika is training. Osamu is.... well I sure hope he's training too.

Osamu will train too. In chapter 118 he said that he want to investigate new combination of triggers and make new tactics for the team with 2 or 3 people to make better their team work
Surely, Takoma-2 will test the new combinations of triggers and tactics in next B-range battle because it is between middle B-range teams. I foresee that T-2 will get a lot of points
I think that Osamu's best power up will come in the last B-range batlle. He got 48 wins against Yuiga in a week, and the last battle is next week. He will get the 100 total wins if his winning rate grows a little, and then he will can get composite bullets.

I think Osamu have a only way to become strong. His Trion is poor and he isn't athletic enough. As Kazama said, his only way is become himself in a excellent tactic and use his brain perfectly in solo battles and team battles.

I think that Osamu never will get a normal trion capacity. I think that the Trion can grow only a little. Is very fun that the lowest trion person in the history of Border and the highest trion person in the history of Border are in the same.

I don't disccart Hyuse. I think he is the target of Neigbors, and finally he will join in T-2.
His adoption tells us that he has a good ability to Trion, maybe higher than Yuuma

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Botato said:
Midorikawa, Futaba, and others who are still very young have potential to be very OP in the future. And if Chika's trion ability can get even higher, then I don't even want to know how scary she'll be.
So C-Ranks with weak trion ability are stuck in C-Rank doing rank battles until they grow strong trion and advance? Lol sounds kinda cruel but funny.

Not true. C-Ranks are stuck in C-Rank until they have good SKILL to advance. Border doesn't accept low trion agent to begin with (aside from Osamu who got rejected and got in only because Jin said so). After someone get accepted, only skills matter.

Osamu spent 7 borders as C-rank before meeting Yuuma, but the reason he couldn't graduate by merit was not because of his low trion, but his weak skill. If you perfect all training like Yuuma, Tokieda said it takes around 4-5 months (?) to graduate to B-Rank. Normal C-Rank probably needs double that amount, say 1 year to graduate. Osamu probably needs even more time to graduate by merit considering his performance in Chapter 1 where he couldn't defeat an enemy that a C-rank is expected to defeat on his FIRST DAY even with 7 months of training - I mean, shouldn't he know to target the eye after 7 months of training? (though, this can be writing inconsistency, as Osamu performs ok after ch 1).

Speaking of trion amount, we don't know how many times kids can grow their organ. But I always assume that Osamu will have normal trion amount by the time he's 20 (after this age, trion amount will decline). Perhaps this is too optimistic.

Let's see. We have seen Osamu's cube back then. Replica said you needed 3 times that amount to be considered high trion. So let's assume Osamu's trion = 1 Osamu (Let's use Osamu as trion measurement unit, hehe). Average Border agent's trion = 3 Osamus. Chika's cube was around 3 (?) times wider, so Chika's trion = 27 Osamus. I always assume Osamu can reach 3 Osamus by the time he's 20.

Osamu generally uses 2x2x2 shooter cubes. Nasu uses two 3x3x3 as composite bullets a lot, which I assume to be 2 times the cost cause 1 composite cube costs 2 normal cubes, so she might be 7 Osamus. Izumi usually uses 2 cubes of 3x3x3, so he's around 7 Osamus. Ninomiya only uses one cube but it's huge, so uh, I don't know, say 1.5 (?) times wider than one Nasu's cube. So Ninomiya is around 11 Osamus. Note that Ninomiya's trion will decline going forward (though it might take a while considering that he's still active), while Izumi/Nasu have 3 years to increase their trion.

icecreamsnow said:
Sad that the Kako story was fake, that would have been a good development :(

Yes, what a bummer. I should have known better that there's no easy way out for Osamu outside of fanfiction (most fake spoilers are easy to spot because they make Osamu do something cooler than what he is capable of in the canon). I'll double down precaution next time.

uhm during the invasion arc izumi did a 6^3 hound against hyrein , and during the black trigger retrieval arc he did 2 sets of 5^3
so idk where you got 3^3,
http://mangafox.me/manga/world_trigger/v08/c068/13.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/world_trigger/v04/c029/15.html

although when osamu uses chikas trion he only does 4^3 its huge, so its probly worth like 7 or 8 ^3? thats just a guess tho dont take my word for it
http://mangafox.me/manga/world_trigger/v08/c067/15.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/world_trigger/v08/c068/16.html
although because the cubes that are made from hitting hyreins trigger are huge i assume thats what it is.

izumi also does 4^3 here
http://mangafox.me/manga/world_trigger/v08/c069/7.html

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Not true. C-Ranks are stuck in C-Rank until they have good SKILL to advance. Border doesn't accept low trion agent to begin with (aside from Osamu who got rejected and got in only because Jin said so). After someone get accepted, only skills matter.

Right. Though we know that a difference in Trion ability can make a shield totally useless against an opponent, or conversely totally OP. And that's just an example. Lately I've been putting too much importance on Trion ability it seems, idk why.

p-kun said:
Osamu spent 7 borders as C-rank before meeting Yuuma, but the reason he couldn't graduate by merit was not because of his low trion, but his weak skill. If you perfect all training like Yuuma, Tokieda said it takes around 4-5 months (?) to graduate to B-Rank. Normal C-Rank probably needs double that amount, say 1 year to graduate. Osamu probably needs even more time to graduate by merit considering his performance in Chapter 1 where he couldn't defeat an enemy that a C-rank is expected to defeat on his FIRST DAY even with 7 months of training - I mean, shouldn't he know to target the eye after 7 months of training? (though, this can be writing inconsistency, as Osamu performs ok after ch 1).

I think I've said this before somewhere but, we know that Osamu was keeping being a part of Border a secret from everyone aside from his mother. And he seemed clueless about a lot of official Border agents, so I'm willing to bet that he didn't go to HQ that much to train. Must have been hard to find time where he can go there secretly and often times it might have been fruitless due to his low Trion ability. I doubt he watched Rank Wars either, since again he didn't know many of Border's popular agents.

p-kun said:
Speaking of trion amount, we don't know how many times kids can grow their organ. But I always assume that Osamu will have normal trion amount by the time he's 20 (after this age, trion amount will decline). Perhaps this is too optimistic.

It declines? I thought it only stops growing?
I mean Viza was doing alright and everything. True he was using a BT but still..

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Let's see. We have seen Osamu's cube back then. Replica said you needed 3 times that amount to be considered high trion. So let's assume Osamu's trion = 1 Osamu (Let's use Osamu as trion measurement unit, hehe). Average Border agent's trion = 3 Osamus. Chika's cube was around 3 (?) times wider, so Chika's trion = 27 Osamus. I always assume Osamu can reach 3 Osamus by the time he's 20.

Osamu generally uses 2x2x2 shooter cubes. Nasu uses two 3x3x3 as composite bullets a lot, which I assume to be 2 times the cost cause 1 composite cube costs 2 normal cubes, so she might be 7 Osamus. Izumi usually uses 2 cubes of 3x3x3, so he's around 7 Osamus. Ninomiya only uses one cube but it's huge, so uh, I don't know, say 1.5 (?) times wider than one Nasu's cube. So Ninomiya is around 11 Osamus. Note that Ninomiya's trion will decline going forward (though it might take a while considering that he's still active), while Izumi/Nasu have 3 years to increase their trion.

Izumi can do way more though. Don't forget that they can alter the size of the bullet to modify its stats, so this is not a very accurate comparison. The overall cube size just before the bullets are split up is probably more representative of their Trion ability.

Also I think Chika has more than 27x Osamu's Trion. Black Triggers being only as strong as 9 average people doesn't sound right. BTs are hyped up to heaven and back in this series; Replica specifically mentions that one BT could overturn the situation from a hopeless resistance to an overwhelming victory.

I also think that Osamu's highest will only be normal Trion ability. If he gets any higher it might ruin the point of his character (depending on how high it gets), but if it stays as low as it is now then it will make later battles look ridiculous.

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There are some scans for episode 120 here!

mangacollection.net/spoilers-world-trigger-120-summary-and-scans-aftokrator-6-daisuke-ashihara/

Oct 23, 2015 7:04 AM

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WiseFlower said:
Oh...the guys from Aftrokrator's vassal countries go to "bury a dog"....I remember reading Chippokenabokura's tumblr and see an anon who suggested the idea of upcoming attack to be directed at Hyuse. That anon deserves cookies... :D
Anyway...I wonder if Jin foresees this and this is his actual reason of suggesting a bet to Hyuse back in ch 111...

I compare my translation to the chinese one. I read it as "[Hyuse] is a dog after all. It'll be easy to bury him." The chinese read it as "[Rhodokhroun people] are dogs after all. They plug [their absence] in a cheap way." Japanese doesn't mention subject and no singular plural, and is infamous for ambiguity. Plus, I'm not a pro translator. So don't get your hopes up yet. I might have made a mistake.

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p-kun said:
Not true. C-Ranks are stuck in C-Rank until they have good SKILL to advance. Border doesn't accept low trion agent to begin with (aside from Osamu who got rejected and got in only because Jin said so). After someone get accepted, only skills matter.

Right. Though we know that a difference in Trion ability can make a shield totally useless against an opponent, or conversely totally OP. And that's just an example. Lately I've been putting too much importance on Trion ability it seems, idk why.

From the training we see that Yuuma conducted, none of them require trion ability (the training was mostly mobility training, showing that Border's philosophy in training is in line with Karasuma's philosophy - mobility, mobility, mobility. Attack skill comes later once your mobility is good). The one that required strong trion blade/shield (that is fighting fake mormod? Bamster?) did not give points. Without doing any solo battles, C-ranks can reach B-rank by just earning points from attending training modules and those training modules do not deduct point (unless they are snipers, in which case, they can be forever stuck at C-rank until they reach top 15% - but even for snipers, none of their joint training requires strong trion bullet, just shooting skill. Shooting skill can be trained in virtual training room which gives infinite trion.).

Osamu had been in Border for 7 months before Yuuma, so he should have collected a lot of points and is halfway through graduation to B-rank. Training only happens 2 times a week (said Tokieda), so it'll be OOC if it was difficult for Osamu to commit that much time to achieve his objective (he was supposed to be really desperate to save Rinji, no?). The modules are not even that time consuming. I personally have faith that Osamu was diligent enough to attend training 2 times a week.

We don't know if Osamu ever spent time on solo battles prior to Kazama. From his friendless background, my guess is on no. Solo battles tend to (1) require people who know each other before hand or (2) help people get to know each other afterwards. Before Yuuma, no one in Border not named Jin even knows Osamu exists, which is why I think he didn't have solo battles - which then means that his points never declined back then and there's no reason he couldn't graduate to B-rank by merit even with his low trion. The only reason he didn't manage to graduate to B-rank by merit within 7 months was because of his skill. He couldn't perfect his training, so it would take him time to graduate (let's be fair to Osamu, even Yuuma who can perfect everything will need 4-5 months, so Osamu should take more time).

Anyway, my point is that Osamu, despite of his low trion, should be able to graduate to B-rank by merit, and thus refuting the claim that someone with low trion like Osamu will be forever C-rank.

But you are right. Trion ability doesn't mean you always win here, so we shouldn't focus too much on it.

Botato said:
The overall cube size just before the bullets are split up is probably more representative of their Trion ability.

I am aware. I'm just using the little trion cubes amount as a proxy of size, cuz one little cube from Osamu's 2x2x2 looks the same size as one little cube from Nasu's 3x3x3 and Izumi's big cube looks the same size as Nasu's. I am aware that Izumi did 6x6x6 before, but the little cubes size was smaller that Osamu's little cubes, so I didn't use it for comparison. Again, I was just eye-balling. My approximation is in no way precise. Feel free to criticize. Many people already said I was wrong on Izumi. I need to check Izumi's cube size again.

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I just double checked. I believe Osamu is 3x3x3 and Nasu is 4x4x4.

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I mean, that still doesn't explain why Osamu didn't know anyone besides Arashiyama's unit and Jin... Idk it just felt like he didn't get any actual training until Jin made Karasuma mentor him. Though that's another point; a lot of Border agents have a mentor of sorts that taught them, minus a few talented individuals I guess, so maybe we shouldn't be too hard on Osamu since he didn't have a mentor.

One thing though, I'm pretty sure Osamu has been in Border for less than 6 months before he met Yuma. Iirc, during the press conference, Osamu's mother mentioned that he brought the application around 6 months ago. By that point let's assume Yuma has been in Border for 1 month, that means Osamu was C-Rank for 5 months tops (let's not forget that the 6 months ago mark was only for when Osamu brought the application to his mother, there might have been lost time due to the exams and application process, then his getting rejected and attempt to break into the forbidden zone). That might have been enough time, I'm honestly not sure as I don't remember how long it would have taken Yuma to get to B-Rank if he only did training modules. Ironically, that means Osamu did indeed become B-Rank in 4-5 months, just not through the normal methods lol.
Just an aside but I love how Osamu and Chika, the normal people with 0 battle experience get promoted for special reasons, while Yuma, an alleged war veteran, had to actually work his way up from the standard 1000 points.

Looking back, I'd also argue that Osamu needed a small confidence boost to be able to perform like other C-Ranks. He apparently ran out of time in the C-Rank test vs. Bamster, and got his butt whooped by a real Bamster in chapter 1. However once he was promoted to B-Rank he took one down. And well, we all know the results of his training with Karasuma in the invasion arc.

Dues-aj said:
I just double checked. I believe Osamu is 3x3x3 and Nasu is 4x4x4.

Osamu did 1000x1000x1000 (rough estimate) twice though =3=

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Botato said:
I mean, that still doesn't explain why Osamu didn't know anyone besides Arashiyama's unit and Jin... Idk it just felt like he didn't get any actual training until Jin made Karasuma mentor him. Though that's another point; a lot of Border agents have a mentor of sorts that taught them, minus a few talented individuals I guess, so maybe we shouldn't be too hard on Osamu since he didn't have a mentor.

One thing though, I'm pretty sure Osamu has been in Border for less than 6 months before he met Yuma. Iirc, during the press conference, Osamu's mother mentioned that he brought the application around 6 months ago. By that point let's assume Yuma has been in Border for 1 month, that means Osamu was C-Rank for 5 months tops (let's not forget that the 6 months ago mark was only for when Osamu brought the application to his mother, there might have been lost time due to the exams and application process, then his getting rejected and attempt to break into the forbidden zone). That might have been enough time, I'm honestly not sure as I don't remember how long it would have taken Yuma to get to B-Rank if he only did training modules. Ironically, that means Osamu did indeed become B-Rank in 4-5 months, just not through the normal methods lol.
Just an aside but I love how Osamu and Chika, the normal people with 0 battle experience get promoted for special reasons, while Yuma, an alleged war veteran, had to actually work his way up from the standard 1000 points.

Looking back, I'd also argue that Osamu needed a small confidence boost to be able to perform like other C-Ranks. He apparently ran out of time in the C-Rank test vs. Bamster, and got his butt whooped by a real Bamster in chapter 1. However once he was promoted to B-Rank he took one down. And well, we all know the results of his training with Karasuma in the invasion arc.

I think Osamu really found his calling as a shooter. Raygust isn't too popular an option so I have to imagine it might be harder to use for a C-Rank.

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I'm not sure but i think that the trion gland don't decrease right after 20... I think it just stop grow like normal organs.... maybe it starts to deacrease around you 40 or 50, when you begins to get old....just like other organs, height and stuff....
Osamu cube, besides being small, he just make around 8 or 12 bullets(I think he is doing more bullets lately, moreover, the bullets don't look smaller than before....) by time, right?
Nasu and Izumi's bullets are roughly the same size as Osamu's (each bullet,not the cube as a whole). However, they can make far more than 20 bullets per time without even sweat... I think it was an average of 30 maybe.... Ninomiya's big bullets prioritize power mainly due to that fact that he does roughly the same number of bullets as Osamu's.... just see his hound and you see how far more trion than Osamu, Ninomiya has... so... i pretty much agree with the statement that Nino is 11 Osamus (New shooter power measure unity) hahahaha. :D

Oct 23, 2015 5:11 PM

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pablomc said:
I'm not sure but i think that the trion gland don't decrease right after 20... I think it just stop grow like normal organs.... maybe it starts to deacrease around you 40 or 50, when you begins to get old....just like other organs, height and stuff....

I'm taking these quotes from Chippokenabokura's tumblr translations. These are the Volume and Twitter Q&As.
"Q. Why are all the Border members so young?
A. The biggest reason is that the younger you are the easier it is to develop your trion organ. There are many members who transferred from the Defence Corps to HQ Administration after they reached 20 years old and their trion organ stopped developing. (Such as Sawamura-san)"

"Q. Does your trion organ improve if you train it?
Q. Does trion replenish with time and sleep like physical strength?
A. Like your heart and lungs or your muscles, if you train it will improve to an extent, and if you take in nourishment and rest it will replenish."

"Q. Do trion organs decay with age?
A. It seems it slowly decays if it is not used. Using it maintains it to a certain extent."

"Q. Can’t you train your trion organ in Virtual Combat Mode?
A. You can’t. You can only train your reflexes and increase combat experience in virtual mode. Trion organs can only be trained through using trion."

I don't know if it's right to say "decrease", but basically if you want to keep up your level of trion, you need to keep practicing. So just like anything else, if you want to still be good at it you need to practice and use it. Someone brought up Viza, and similar to Shinoda and Yuugo, all of those above age 20 will need to make sure they keep up with their training to at least maintain their level. At least, that's what I think it implies? But you got it right with it being similar to organs. Which reminds me that I need to get myself to exercise too lol.

And while we're talking about Osamu, could it also just be writing convenience? For the story line, right? Osamu is the one who "shows us the world" and so if he already knew a lot, it wouldn't be as easy to show the world building. Though logically, yeah it's a little odd here and there that Osamu didn't seem to know much despite being part of Border for several months. Maybe he was intimidated to look around and figure things out? HQ has that image, right? While Tamakoma is much more casual but tight-knit?

I still want to see the remaining Old Border members duke it out sometime. Does Kido battle??! He obviously used to, but which weapon and does he still train now? What about Rindo? I seriously want to see these two and Shinoda battle sometime like "oh it's been a while since we've done this together" or something.

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I bet that osamu's trion will grow, if you compare the cap that he began to use asteroid and the 4 way battl cap, you can notice that his trion cube has grow(just a little hahaha). As Osamu is 15 and stills growing, his trion can grow enough to be considered average(or close to it)... By the way, talking about growing... how tall do you think Osamu and Chika will be? (Yuuma won't grow anymore :/). Osamu is 5'6"(168cm), I think he can become something between 5'7"(170cm) and 5'9"(175cm)... Chika is quite short for her age... she is just 4'7"(140cm)I bet that she can become at max 5ft (152cm) . Tamakoma-2 is quite a short squad,isn't? hahahahag

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> Yuma won't grow anymore
Chances are he'll get his real body healed somehow and get it back. So he'll probably grow a little.

Of course, he can also die which will make me sad :|

Oct 24, 2015 10:44 AM

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Am I the only who saw a death flag over Miwa after this chapter?
The way Ashihara showed him was somewhat different of what we saw in early chapters: he showed Miwa as a person beloved and in good terms with everyone on border, even though him being shy and stubborn as he is.

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JCNSilva said:
Am I the only who saw a death flag over Miwa after this chapter?
The way Ashihara showed him was somewhat different of what we saw in early chapters: he showed Miwa as a person beloved and in good terms with everyone on border, even though him being shy and stubborn as he is.

Eh, I'm not sure that I'm feeling a Miwa death flag.

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Dues-aj said:

JCNSilva said:
Am I the only who saw a death flag over Miwa after this chapter?
The way Ashihara showed him was somewhat different of what we saw in early chapters: he showed Miwa as a person beloved and in good terms with everyone on border, even though him being shy and stubborn as he is.

Eh, I'm not sure that I'm feeling a Miwa death flag.

I kind of saw it as another Jin death flag? The fact that Miwa isn't as hostile towards Jin and the whole "You better do your job right"... Jin has so much pressure, but part of me sees Miwa recognizing that more than others? They have a kind of odd relationship where they understand each other, but don't quite accept the other's ideas?

Botato said:

Chances are he'll get his real body healed somehow and get it back. So he'll probably grow a little.

People like to draw human/real body Yuuma taller than Osamu, probably for kicks since Yuuma would finally be taller than people lol. But it makes me wonder what would happen if they got his human body back. Like, would they have to immediately go into surgery to patch him up? Would he be relatively healed (people like giving Yuuma eyepatches too)? And what age- Physically still 11 or is it somewhere in between that and his chronological age? And he still has to eat a lot more food than the average person to sustain his human body so what exactly does that mean?
tl;dr: I want to know what is going on with Yuuma's body, but we probably won't get anything till the end of the series.

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LeiteDestiny said:

Dues-aj said:

Eh, I'm not sure that I'm feeling a Miwa death flag.

I kind of saw it as another Jin death flag? The fact that Miwa isn't as hostile towards Jin and the whole "You better do your job right"... Jin has so much pressure, but part of me sees Miwa recognizing that more than others? They have a kind of odd relationship where they understand each other, but don't quite accept the other's ideas?

Botato said:

Chances are he'll get his real body healed somehow and get it back. So he'll probably grow a little.

People like to draw human/real body Yuuma taller than Osamu, probably for kicks since Yuuma would finally be taller than people lol. But it makes me wonder what would happen if they got his human body back. Like, would they have to immediately go into surgery to patch him up? Would he be relatively healed (people like giving Yuuma eyepatches too)? And what age- Physically still 11 or is it somewhere in between that and his chronological age? And he still has to eat a lot more food than the average person to sustain his human body so what exactly does that mean?
tl;dr: I want to know what is going on with Yuuma's body, but we probably won't get anything till the end of the series.

maybe his body is healing itself to a certain extent... due to that fact he has to eat a lot.... nevertheless, I think we will only know when the manga has its natural end or is cancelled...

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LeiteDestiny said:

I kind of saw it as another Jin death flag? The fact that Miwa isn't as hostile towards Jin and the whole "You better do your job right"... Jin has so much pressure, but part of me sees Miwa recognizing that more than others? They have a kind of odd relationship where they understand each other, but don't quite accept the other's ideas?

I didn't see it this way before, but this makes sense indeed.
Sadly, there are so much death flags over Jin :c

Another thing I've noticed: When the neighbor's ship appears, The panels are on a black page, like what happens with flashbacks. That was Jin's forecast? I don't get it at all.

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The people over on /r/worldtrigger did a translation and typeset for the ishuhui scans. And interestingly enough that translation mentions that the neighbors mention Enedera.

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Dues-aj said:
The people over on /r/worldtrigger did a translation and typeset for the ishuhui scans. And interestingly enough that translation mentions that the neighbors mention Enedera.

Just went to read them, they're so clean!
Interesting that it says "Enedora"? From a Chinese to English translation someone gave, it said the name of the 3rd nation that was getting close to Earth. Perhaps mistranslation?

Maybe we should start a poll at each new arc lol "Do you think something big will happen to Jin this arc? Y/N"
He's got so many death flags; being too convenient has it's troubles.

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LeiteDestiny said:

Dues-aj said:
The people over on /r/worldtrigger did a translation and typeset for the ishuhui scans. And interestingly enough that translation mentions that the neighbors mention Enedera.

Just went to read them, they're so clean!
Interesting that it says "Enedora"? From a Chinese to English translation someone gave, it said the name of the 3rd nation that was getting close to Earth. Perhaps mistranslation?

That's mistranslation from the chinese source (I was also confused last week, so I didn't translate the name) so it's not the chinese to english translator's fault. The actual name is "Aidora".

I have just had time to look at the japanese raw and I think my previous translation was incorrect. The dog is referring to trion soldiers. So the actual translation should be "The [trion soldiers] are dogs after all. It's just cheap stopgap [by Rhodochroun in lieu of not sending agents]. No it seems that they send Aidora as well". So Aidora is likely to be the new type of trion soldiers that they bring. Since trion soldiers names are a play of the animal name they resemble, Aidora might be a play of Hydra (Haidora). Though this is just my speculation.

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I mean, that still doesn't explain why Osamu didn't know anyone besides Arashiyama's unit and Jin... Idk it just felt like he didn't get any actual training until Jin made Karasuma mentor him. Though that's another point; a lot of Border agents have a mentor of sorts that taught them, minus a few talented individuals I guess, so maybe we shouldn't be too hard on Osamu since he didn't have a mentor.

One thing though, I'm pretty sure Osamu has been in Border for less than 6 months before he met Yuma.

C-ranks are not supposed to get mentors. Only B-rank above get mentors, outside of our main trio. C-ranks trainings are supervised by official agents though, so it's not like Border is hands off in their trainings. It's just that B-rank above get more resources, like personal mentors.

His mom counts it from January, so 6 months ago would be July. Border intakes happen only in January, May, September. Rinji disappeared May 1 (Ninomiya visited Chika on May 2) and it seems that Osamu's Border exam happened soon after. So for the time being, I put May (8 months ago) as more likely than September (4 months ago). September is still possible though, and it'll probably make more sense considering that Osamu (who is a loner by nature but not entirely antisocial) still has no friend in Border by December (when he met Yuuma).

Chippo has similar thought with me about Osamu enrolling in May. See her handy WT timeline here: http://chippokenabokura.tumblr.com/post/113437949378/world-trigger-timeline

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