| Somebody known as claudiofd (https://www.mangaupdates.com/members.html?id=225131) posted a review on the mangaupdates page for this manga, and I think it's fantastic & it warrants its own thread: Currently this manga, with 8 translated chapters (less than 2 volumes), has a rating of 4.95/5.00 (393 votes) on Batoto, an average of 9.1/10.0 and a Bayesian average of 8.78/10.00 here (making it currently the 84th highest rated series of all time be them manga, manhwa, manhua or light novels) and stands at 135 on MAL's manga/manhwa/manhua/light novel ranking. All of this is nothing short of a tremendous over-rate. These ratings give the impression of a literary masterpiece and what you'll get is a piece of severe pandering to video game fans, a series that serves merely as wish-fulfillment. Does that make it bad? No, as a piece of entertainment it served its purpose but it doesn't step ahead of very cheap entertainment. The whole series is crafted to appeal to video game fans and reclusive nerds in general. It aims for the feelings of 14-18 year old loser kids that feel the whole world is against them in spite of their brilliant smarts and outstanding talent or any adults that went through that phase (or haven't outgrown it yet). The main character finds himself in a world he doesn't belong and everyone he comes across hates him for no good reason. They hate him for just being, just existing. He is betrayed heavily as the tag in bold up there will tell you, just to make people realize - he is surrounded by enemies, everyone hates him, he's a good guy being tortured for no reason at all, damn society, didn't even give him a chance!! This is done to duplicate the feelings that a lot of people feel during their teenage years, some more heavily than others. It's simple pandering, simple cheap entertainment. It is only immersive in the sense that you can see yourself in the main character. This isn't hard either since the main character has no real personality or particularly defining points besides the "I'm so edgy! Everyone hates me! I'll show them!" that he develops after being hated and betrayed for god knows what. Obviously besides that, he is brilliant, brave, kind and yet has that edgy attitude at times. The author couldn't even come up with a decent reason for him to be hated. At several points you'll notice that there is no justification to what is being done, in fact it's just plain illogical, especially considering it's so widespread. It's like looking at the world from the eyes of an edgy 16 year old kid. Simply put it's bad writing and poor world-making. Talking about world-making, this is - as you probably already noticed - another entry in the increasingly irritating video game-related stories that have cropped up in the world of anime and manga like a bad fungus or infection that you just can't get rid of (considering the number of LNs with this premise is also ludicrous, this is a trend that'll last at least another 3-5 years as more and more of those LNs get adapted to manga and anime). Seems to me that authors nowadays are incapable of writing fantasy. Or maybe they're just lazy - after all it's too much work to create an original world. What they do is use the excuse of "They went inside a video-game" or "This world works like a video-game" to create a cheap as hell premise and just execute a fantasy story without having to bother with any kind of complicated world-building that would come along with it. They just use a bunch of video-game tropes and elements which are easy to portray and are "free" to include as many cliche elements as they want. I mean who can criticize that, they're inside a video-game remember? It's cliche because it's a typical video-game! The backstory is lame and cliched because it's a typical video-game! The villains are cliche because it's a typical video-game! Perfect excuse for the half-assed world-building. Tate no Yuusha is another one of these (though it isn't the worst of them, not even close, it's actually among the better ones). The world is cliche and has cliche problems. This adds to the problem I've mentioned before. This half-assed world makes this less immersive than it should have been. The story is very cliche (it's a typical video-game, after all). It hasn't shown much so far, it could have its turns later on but for now it seems very typical and fairly predictable. The whole world is against this guy, either it makes sense or not. Yet, he is actually very heroic and worries about the people. From here and knowing that there is some evil that attacks periodically (because that is so effective) you should be able to see most scenes coming. Now... Is it bad? Not exactly - I gave this a 7 in spite of all my ranting above. It is cheap entertainment but it does keep you entertained so in that sense it's successful. I don't pretend to be some kind of superior human being and I was a loser during my teenage years so I can't help but feel this emotional ease to feel some scenes that the mc goes through from up close. It's a bit more of a guilty pleasure than a solid entertainment series. The series is cute and funny and the emotional gratification that you feel as the mc goes through things makes it more engrossing than it should be considering how half-assed a lot of its elements are.This is not a good series but is it enjoyable and isn't a waste of time if you're looking for fun and fun alone. It is far from being the worst of the cheap video-game related series out there and probably stands as one of the better ones in that respect. That being said it doesn't come even near to justify the rankings and ratings I mentioned. Said numbers should be reserved for series with legitimate quality and solid writing that have deeper elements and much more work put into them. ---- All credit goes to claudiofd (https://www.mangaupdates.com/members.html?id=225131). |
FrancesLimonOct 25, 2014 4:53 AM
tuiddlestix said: Based on the manga alone, I'd agree with this person, but I don't think they've put a whole lot of thought into why the manga is so highly rated, or rather who's doing the rating. Looking at various stats on places like MAL and BU, a large chunk of the fans are most likely also reading the source material, and this is usually the case with manga adaptations that are early in their life. This is important, because the first chapters of the web novel are easily the worst part. The otaku references slow down and you can even forget that the world is supposed to be close to a videogame, at times; the claims of non-existent characterization becomes null; and the world becomes much larger, on a micro level and macro level. claudiofd: I haven't read the Light Novel and don't plan to in the foreseeable future. My commentary was solely for the manga up until that point and my opinion hasn't changed. As for most things, the novel is usually better (if it's the original material, which is the case here). It'll have a lot more exposition, a lot more dialogue and interactions. It may be the case that the Novel is or gets more developed as it goes on, I have no idea as you might imagine. But you have to consider that the manga is a thing of its own. I read the manga and found a lot of its elements to be filled with youthful pandering and lacking development in more than one sense, which betrays the incredible ratings it gets in more than one site. You say a large chunk of people over-rate the manga because they are reading and liking the novel but let's take a look at MAL for a sec. Novel: 8.50 rated by 177 users, ranked at 155th Manga: 8.54 rated by 1158 users, ranked at 115th I don't think that argument is very valid when you consider these. Not only is the manga ranked higher than the novel when it has so few chapters but the manga has been rated by close to 7 times more people which leads me to infer that the amount of people who rated the novel are far from being a "large chunk" of the people who rated the manga. The manga is over-rated for the most part for the simple reason of pandering to youthful feelings and video-game fans. It's a trend. Series that follow this route have been getting extremely popular since it's a fairly easy thing to explore in a series. They have also been getting over-rated very often and most times when there isn't even that many chapters out. The blind VG fans, or people who fall easily to that sort of pandering don't consider any other elements of the series. Anyway, I think I have nothing else to say. I don't think I was horribly unfair towards the manga (which, again, is what I was commenting on) - it's not like I gave it a 1/10 anyway. I could say that I was going to make reading the novel a priority to sound nice and diplomatic but I won't say it. I wouldn't say it's the last thing I'd do in the world but it's definitely not close to being a priority for two reasons. First and foremost, like you could probably tell from my comments, I am tired of the VG-related trend in manga and anime. The few manga and anime series I'm currently following are more than enough from that trend for me right now. The second reason is that Tate no Yuusha didn't interest enough to entice me into reading the LN as fast as possible, which means that if I was to read LNs more avidly (I've only read Hakomari and Welcome to the NHK) I'd start with LNs with adaptations I actually found to be good (Baccano, Kino, Monogatari, Fate/Zero, Spice and Wolf, 12 Kingdoms, etc.). |
tuiddlestix said: Based on the manga alone, I'd agree with this person, but I don't think they've put a whole lot of thought into why the manga is so highly rated, or rather who's doing the rating. Looking at various stats on places like MAL and BU, a large chunk of the fans are most likely also reading the source material, and this is usually the case with manga adaptations that are early in their life. This is important, because the first chapters of the web novel are easily the worst part. The otaku references slow down and you can even forget that the world is supposed to be close to a videogame, at times; the claims of non-existent characterization becomes null; and the world becomes much larger, on a micro level and macro level. You know what. I tried reading the light novel where the manga left off, and so far I'm left very unimpressed by it. I thought the manga was significantly better, since we have the pictures, we don't need any words to explain the environments and the world, what people look like, and we can see people's facial expressions so we don't need to be told how they feel. Maybe it's because I'm not very used to Light Novels, but this is BARE BONES stuff, as in it can hardly be called a novel. You're only ever given a sentence or two to describe anything, you never get a good sense of what people look like or what the world around them looks like. The descriptions are extremely basic, this is like, high school level writing here - actually, I'm pretty sure you learn not to write like this in high school. You know what Light Novels should be called? Transcripts, because that's what they feel like. There's a LOT of dialogue (in fact, I'd say 90% of each chapter is dialogue), with only a few sentences thrown in to give you a very basic idea of where the characters are. Basically, with all of that said, the Light Novel doesn't give the story more depth. Unless if you consider boring grinding and him going over his skill trees each chapter to be added depth. It's basically just a continuation of the manga without pictures, and it suffers tremendously for that. |
| It's not just up to your taste. I can see and understand most of your points though. Maybe it's because I'm a gamer, but there's something special in the way they compose the story and the characters. It's not groundbreaking, but imo this is a 'typical' trapped inside game manga done right. Btw, not related to the topic, but people need to stop using the term ' overrated'. In most cases they just use it to bash something popular which they don't like. |
| Simple manga? Yes, can't disagree on that. Wish-fulfillment? It's a personal opinion, but I didn't see any. Overhated? Yes. Monstruously? No I will be honest, I like tragedy settings. This manga has a lot of flaws and IS simple, but it is good at delivering drama. You can actually feel the emotions in the MC, you can see the darkness growing on him. It is a take very different than most popular manga right now. You normally only see this kind of thing in dramatic movies and video games. This manga is currently 126 place and, in my opinion, it deserves it. I can see why most people disagree, but let's be honest: can someone actually find 125 better pieces of work? Anything today is overhated and most of the readers are in for the same thing, including generic harem, shounen and MMORPG fantasies. It may not be the best piece of work (and is far from being one) but considering how the ranking was made, it deserves such place, no higher than 100, no lower than 200. That's just my opinion |
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| Meh, wish fulfillment? Don't most, if not all, manga, or even stories in general, fit that sort of category for a demographic? There are those dark and gory "mature" mangas that could go for those who wish secretly to go around slaughtering and destroying everything before them in a world of bloodshed and all that jazz. There are those mangas where the pint-sized kid grows up to fulfill his dreams and gets the girl, if not a full harem, for those who feel looked down on that wish to become cool and all that stuff. Then there's those full romance mangas where the girl meets her knight in shinning armor bla bla, for those chicks who wish to find a strong, yet loyal romantic guy. So on and so on. There are many types of people in the world and many types of mangas to go alongside it that grant wish fulfillment, I don't see how that has anything to do with knocking or elevating a series' quality. |
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| I'd have to disagree. It's a manga that actually differs when it comes to the whole VRMMO genre. There aren't really any cliches whatsoever, and the main character's feelings are realistic. And from what I've read of the web novel so far, the author puts a lot of work into the mechanics of the world he's created. It's great. Just because a manga turns away from the norm doesn't mean it's wish-fulfillment. I get it that you don't agree with the rating on MAL, but... that's just the way things go. |
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| I'm confused, is this guy a messenger for this other guy on another website? Also, I don't understand why "wish fulfillment" is somehow a negative label. Isn't that exactly how you appeal to whomever your audience is? Or are you saying that a work can only be good if it manages to impress the audience without giving them what they want? |
| Half of the comments i read over the internet are like this... and i dont understand what is the point. You get to read something most likely a scanlation, basicly free entertainment. For some reason you dont like it - so what ? The best thing next to just moving on is to grab your pen, get creative and make something better, if you are that confident in your judging skills. I know its fine to share opinions but if i did read all of this crap before i decided to pick this up i would probably get discouraged and pass on it... but i didnt and i'm happy about that because i had a real good time reading this. |
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Vox_Populi said: A lot of those criticisms are fair. The people who can only describe this as "butthurt", sound exactly like the audience you describe. It's rather difficult to have a contrarian opinion on here, especially a negative one, without things becoming immature. Lets see "The main character finds himself in a world he doesn't belong and everyone he comes across hates him for no good reason." His frist criticism this "no good reason" is what the whole frist story arc revolves around and yes there's a reason they hate him. Second criticism. "another entry in the increasingly irritating video game-related stories" This one just stinks of personal bias, and yes during the story it explains the setting later. So ya his whole post is based on his personal biased opinion and frankly worthless. |
NewhopesApr 21, 2015 5:02 PM
FrancesLimon said: Somebody known as claudiofd (https://www.mangaupdates.com/members.html?id=225131) posted a review on the mangaupdates page for this manga, and I think it's fantastic & it warrants its own thread: Yep, it's indeed fantastic. FrancesLimon said: Currently this manga, with 8 translated chapters (less than 2 volumes), has a rating of 4.95/5.00 (393 votes) on Batoto, an average of 9.1/10.0 and a Bayesian average of 8.78/10.00 here (making it currently the 84th highest rated series of all time be them manga, manhwa, manhua or light novels) and stands at 135 on MAL's manga/manhwa/manhua/light novel ranking. All of this is nothing short of a tremendous over-rate. These ratings give the impression of a literary masterpiece and what you'll get is a piece of severe pandering to video game fans, a series that serves merely as wish-fulfillment. Does that make it bad? No, as a piece of entertainment it served its purpose but it doesn't step ahead of very cheap entertainment. It's Twilight-level basically. FrancesLimon said: The whole series is crafted to appeal to video game fans and reclusive nerds in general. It aims for the feelings of 14-18 year old loser kids that feel the whole world is against them in spite of their brilliant smarts and outstanding talent or any adults that went through that phase (or haven't outgrown it yet). The main character finds himself in a world he doesn't belong and everyone he comes across hates him for no good reason. They hate him for just being, just existing. He is betrayed heavily as the tag in bold up there will tell you, just to make people realize - he is surrounded by enemies, everyone hates him, he's a good guy being tortured for no reason at all, damn society, didn't even give him a chance!! This is done to duplicate the feelings that a lot of people feel during their teenage years, some more heavily than others. It's simple pandering, simple cheap entertainment. It is only immersive in the sense that you can see yourself in the main character. This isn't hard either since the main character has no real personality or particularly defining points besides the "I'm so edgy! Everyone hates me! I'll show them!" that he develops after being hated and betrayed for god knows what. Obviously besides that, he is brilliant, brave, kind and yet has that edgy attitude at times. The author couldn't even come up with a decent reason for him to be hated. At several points you'll notice that there is no justification to what is being done, in fact it's just plain illogical, especially considering it's so widespread. It's like looking at the world from the eyes of an edgy 16 year old kid. Simply put it's bad writing and poor world-making. Yeah, the flaws are pretty obvious to anyone out of that rebellious teenager phase. FrancesLimon said: Talking about world-making, this is - as you probably already noticed - another entry in the increasingly irritating video game-related stories that have cropped up in the world of anime and manga like a bad fungus or infection that you just can't get rid of (considering the number of LNs with this premise is also ludicrous, this is a trend that'll last at least another 3-5 years as more and more of those LNs get adapted to manga and anime). Seems to me that authors nowadays are incapable of writing fantasy. Or maybe they're just lazy - after all it's too much work to create an original world. What they do is use the excuse of "They went inside a video-game" or "This world works like a video-game" to create a cheap as hell premise and just execute a fantasy story without having to bother with any kind of complicated world-building that would come along with it. They just use a bunch of video-game tropes and elements which are easy to portray and are "free" to include as many cliche elements as they want. I mean who can criticize that, they're inside a video-game remember? It's cliche because it's a typical video-game! The backstory is lame and cliched because it's a typical video-game! The villains are cliche because it's a typical video-game! Perfect excuse for the half-assed world-building. Tate no Yuusha is another one of these (though it isn't the worst of them, not even close, it's actually among the better ones). The world is cliche and has cliche problems. This adds to the problem I've mentioned before. This half-assed world makes this less immersive than it should have been. As a fan of Dragon Quest, the series this genre loves to ripoff, I feel your pain. Hilariously, the actual novelizations of Dragon Quest are far better than all this shit. It helps that the writer is not a light novel writer but an actual legitimate writer (she also writes original mystery novels). FrancesLimon said: The story is very cliche (it's a typical video-game, after all). It hasn't shown much so far, it could have its turns later on but for now it seems very typical and fairly predictable. The whole world is against this guy, either it makes sense or not. Yet, he is actually very heroic and worries about the people. From here and knowing that there is some evil that attacks periodically (because that is so effective) you should be able to see most scenes coming. Oh, don't worry. There will be more groanworthy plot points in the future. FrancesLimon said: Now... Is it bad? Not exactly - I gave this a 7 in spite of all my ranting above. It is cheap entertainment but it does keep you entertained so in that sense it's successful. I don't pretend to be some kind of superior human being and I was a loser during my teenage years so I can't help but feel this emotional ease to feel some scenes that the mc goes through from up close. It's a bit more of a guilty pleasure than a solid entertainment series. The series is cute and funny and the emotional gratification that you feel as the mc goes through things makes it more engrossing than it should be considering how half-assed a lot of its elements are.This is not a good series but is it enjoyable and isn't a waste of time if you're looking for fun and fun alone. It is far from being the worst of the cheap video-game related series out there and probably stands as one of the better ones in that respect. That being said it doesn't come even near to justify the rankings and ratings I mentioned. Said numbers should be reserved for series with legitimate quality and solid writing that have deeper elements and much more work put into them. I'll give it a 4. I can't even enjoy this ironically since the fanbase seems to take it so seriously. tuiddlestix said: Based on the manga alone, I'd agree with this person, but I don't think they've put a whole lot of thought into why the manga is so highly rated, or rather who's doing the rating. Looking at various stats on places like MAL and BU, a large chunk of the fans are most likely also reading the source material, and this is usually the case with manga adaptations that are early in their life. This is important, because the first chapters of the web novel are easily the worst part. The otaku references slow down and you can even forget that the world is supposed to be close to a videogame, at times; the claims of non-existent characterization becomes null; and the world becomes much larger, on a micro level and macro level. As one who has read the web novel, no, this shit isn't improving any time soon. In fact, it'll just get worse. Random45 said: tuiddlestix said: Based on the manga alone, I'd agree with this person, but I don't think they've put a whole lot of thought into why the manga is so highly rated, or rather who's doing the rating. Looking at various stats on places like MAL and BU, a large chunk of the fans are most likely also reading the source material, and this is usually the case with manga adaptations that are early in their life. This is important, because the first chapters of the web novel are easily the worst part. The otaku references slow down and you can even forget that the world is supposed to be close to a videogame, at times; the claims of non-existent characterization becomes null; and the world becomes much larger, on a micro level and macro level. You know what. I tried reading the light novel where the manga left off, and so far I'm left very unimpressed by it. I thought the manga was significantly better, since we have the pictures, we don't need any words to explain the environments and the world, what people look like, and we can see people's facial expressions so we don't need to be told how they feel. Maybe it's because I'm not very used to Light Novels, but this is BARE BONES stuff, as in it can hardly be called a novel. You're only ever given a sentence or two to describe anything, you never get a good sense of what people look like or what the world around them looks like. The descriptions are extremely basic, this is like, high school level writing here - actually, I'm pretty sure you learn not to write like this in high school. You know what Light Novels should be called? Transcripts, because that's what they feel like. There's a LOT of dialogue (in fact, I'd say 90% of each chapter is dialogue), with only a few sentences thrown in to give you a very basic idea of where the characters are. Basically, with all of that said, the Light Novel doesn't give the story more depth. Unless if you consider boring grinding and him going over his skill trees each chapter to be added depth. It's basically just a continuation of the manga without pictures, and it suffers tremendously for that. This is also true. Being an avid reader of actual novels, light novel prose just cannot compare. TriZen said: It's not just up to your taste. I can see and understand most of your points though. Maybe it's because I'm a gamer, but there's something special in the way they compose the story and the characters. It's not groundbreaking, but imo this is a 'typical' trapped inside game manga done right. Btw, not related to the topic, but people need to stop using the term ' overrated'. In most cases they just use it to bash something popular which they don't like. I'm a gamer and I'm embarrassed by this. NKNIGHT said: Simple manga? Yes, can't disagree on that. Wish-fulfillment? It's a personal opinion, but I didn't see any. Overhated? Yes. Monstruously? No I will be honest, I like tragedy settings. This manga has a lot of flaws and IS simple, but it is good at delivering drama. You can actually feel the emotions in the MC, you can see the darkness growing on him. It is a take very different than most popular manga right now. You normally only see this kind of thing in dramatic movies and video games. This manga is currently 126 place and, in my opinion, it deserves it. I can see why most people disagree, but let's be honest: can someone actually find 125 better pieces of work? Anything today is overhated and most of the readers are in for the same thing, including generic harem, shounen and MMORPG fantasies. It may not be the best piece of work (and is far from being one) but considering how the ranking was made, it deserves such place, no higher than 100, no lower than 200. That's just my opinion As one who has watched Little Princess Sara and Nobody's Boy, this manga's drama can't even compare to the skillful way those two deliver theirs. Instead of rooting for the MC, I only end up wanting him to suffer more. HimJL7 said: Sounds like some people are butthurt that this manga is highly rated. It has above average art (in fact the color pages are absolutely fantastic), a new twist on an already growing stale VRMMO (in this case a video game-esque fantasy - somewhat similar to DanMachi) premise, includes a cute girl with a legitimate personality and some comedy for added enjoyment. It also has rotating happy and sad vibes to it. It may be somewhat predicable, but it is in a good way (like Psycho-Pass is for me). It's great, get your high-and-mighty crap outta here. I can only agree with the art part. Cute girl with legitimate personality? Don't make me laugh. Watch something like Anne of Green Gables for a heroine with a legitimate personality. Or if that's too classical for you, there's always Watashi from Humanity Has Declined. panzer101 said: Ranting on a manga is like ranting on how the car look without driving it. If you want to rant, at least read the LN or WN first. But i know 1 thing, no matter what crap you say, nobody care enough to stop reading it. The manga is just an adaptation, personally knowing the manga exist make all the LN readers joy. However for most of us, manga is just a fun reading, we all about the WN and LN. When rant about something you don't know and don't care, i just feel sry for you, should just read the novel first. P.S. Thx for reminding me, i didn rate 10 stars on both novel and manga yet. Just a recommendation - Mushoku Tensei (Great WN with many hardship, twist, and plot, a WN that make you feel) Ha, Mushoku Tensei. Another overrated crap. I can only sigh when people compare it to Dragon Quest 5. anatoli90 said: Half of the comments i read over the internet are like this... and i dont understand what is the point. You get to read something most likely a scanlation, basicly free entertainment. For some reason you dont like it - so what ? The best thing next to just moving on is to grab your pen, get creative and make something better, if you are that confident in your judging skills. I know its fine to share opinions but if i did read all of this crap before i decided to pick this up i would probably get discouraged and pass on it... but i didnt and i'm happy about that because i had a real good time reading this. Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's avert to criticism. God you sound like an entitled fanfiction author. Vox_Populi said: A lot of those criticisms are fair. The people who can only describe this as "butthurt", sound exactly like the audience you describe. It's rather difficult to have a contrarian opinion on here, especially a negative one, without things becoming immature. Sadly, it's not just here. The fans of shit like this love to circlejerk amongst themselves while ignoring criticism on their beloved series. Newhopes said: Vox_Populi said: A lot of those criticisms are fair. The people who can only describe this as "butthurt", sound exactly like the audience you describe. It's rather difficult to have a contrarian opinion on here, especially a negative one, without things becoming immature. Lets see "The main character finds himself in a world he doesn't belong and everyone he comes across hates him for no good reason." His frist criticism this "no good reason" is what the whole frist story arc revolves around and yes there's a reason they hate him. Second criticism. "another entry in the increasingly irritating video game-related stories" This one just stinks of personal bias, and yes during the story it explains the setting later. So ya his whole post is based on his personal biased opinion and frankly worthless. No good reason isn't equal to no reason. I know the reason and I think it's a load of crap. Second, the setting is still crap. It's just your generic LN fantasy setting ripped off from Dragon Quest peppered by tropes commonly used in this genre. It doesn't hold a candle to, say, Brave Story's Vision or the world of Kemono no Souja Erin. TheExeqtioner said: To answer the OP the Web Novel is not any better. At least in the manga you don't have to read his wishy-washy rationalizations for why he hates everyone. This is especially funny as he starts generating a huge harem while continuing to bash women in his thoughts b/c ONE woman screwed him. The other heroes show comically bad judgement throughout the novel. A comically evil king appears out of thin air that would make the emperor in Akame ga Kill proud. Comically graphic executions that pretty much serve as revenge porn aimed at the type of people shouting "she should get raped w/ a spiked bat!" at the end of every chapter. I can understand why it would be initially rated high. The world's mechanics are actually pretty cool. The art is nice. The "anti" hero bent is different Naofumi's women bashing soothes the soul of all the "mens rights" vehement anti-feminists out there. The light novel has some significant changes to the web novel and I'm hoping the manga goes that route. Haha, true. The author really has some issues with women. |
UgokiJul 13, 2015 3:43 AM
| Eh, give the manga some credit. If it has one thing going for it, it's that it's going to follow the light novel, which means it is already miles better than the original story. Nobody wants to experience the atrocity that is the latter half of the TnY Webnovel. It was such a badly written self insert fantasy; akin to the worst of fanfics. |
Crymsong said: Eh, give the manga some credit. If it has one thing going for it, it's that it's going to follow the light novel, which means it is already miles better than the original story. Nobody wants to experience the atrocity that is the latter half of the TnY Webnovel. It was such a badly written self insert fantasy; akin to the worst of fanfics. In what way is the light novel better than the web novel? Just read the latest chapter and it's still the same shit. |
| I'll tell you if this rated around 9 or 10 then this is truly overrated. but if it's around 5-8 then that's decent below that, well that's not true rating that BIASED rating :P the story is more about the tale of the Shield hero and his Circumstances. don't compare this to SAO or LH or Hack because they didn't go to a game world, oh well just read the novel you'll understand :D If your here to engaged yourself with the world then don't read this. if your here to read the anime version of the BIG BROTHER which only focusing on the hero then this is your Thing. |
| Hard work betrays none, but dreams betray many. Girls are only interested in hunks. They befriend people only to forget them later. Life is something that can never be lived twice. Even this pointless act will eventually end. And while thinking that one day, I’ll surely regret its end… Fake people have an image to maintain. Real people just don’t care. - Hachiman Hikigaya(Oregairu SNAFU) |
| Are you trying to make everyone hate why go on a forum for a manga that is mostly liked just to bash the manga? You know that is called trolling. |
Adviel said: Are you trying to make everyone hate why go on a forum for a manga that is mostly liked just to bash the manga? You know that is called trolling. It's called breaking up the disgusting circlejerk by bringing some real discussion to the table. Sorry if you don't like that. |
| If I like it, it's good. Nuff said. That being said, I didn't rate it. if I did, it would be a 9 because it is enjoyable, and that is the sole purpose of manga (IMO). |
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| Read title and agreed; ignored text wall. What it is isn't inherently bad or anything, but what I've read so far is quite boring. If the plot was actually interesting, it might have been something. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| Here comes the butthurt elitist. Seriously, I don't understand, every series or manga get a high rating, then comes a tiny brain hater from out of nowhere.Get a life kid, I mean it. |
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| TBH, i disliked this too.. and so mushoku tensei.. my biggest struggle is that the side character is extreamly retarded, that it make me feel that every character was build up for mc... |
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Kuma said: TBH, i disliked this too.. and so mushoku tensei.. my biggest struggle is that the side character is extreamly retarded, that it make me feel that every character was build up for mc... That's pretty much the usual problem of the isekai genre. Too much MC wanking. |
Kuma said: TBH, i disliked this too.. and so mushoku tensei.. my biggest struggle is that the side character is extreamly retarded, that it make me feel that every character was build up for mc... TRIGERRED!!! TRIGERRED!!! Mushoku Tensei is near masterpiece level. |
Ugoki said: Kuma said: TBH, i disliked this too.. and so mushoku tensei.. my biggest struggle is that the side character is extreamly retarded, that it make me feel that every character was build up for mc... That's pretty much the usual problem of the isekai genre. Too much MC wanking. TBH, i like issekai genre... and there is no problem for plenty mc wanking because most of them does have mc POV story telling...however, most of it still at least give decent charcaterization for side character... this series really make side character absolute morons for the sake of it... BRB-kun said: Kuma said: TBH, i disliked this too.. and so mushoku tensei.. my biggest struggle is that the side character is extreamly retarded, that it make me feel that every character was build up for mc... TRIGERRED!!! TRIGERRED!!! Mushoku Tensei is near masterpiece level. it simply doesn't pick my interest... surprisingly, i like OP mc reincarnation/issekai because they oftenly make side character shine while MC is simply like a tools for them (like reverse version of this)... |
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| It's manga universe.. Literary masterpieces don't exist in manga universe. |
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| "A simple manga with simple wish-fulfillment appeal that got monstrously over-rated" I couldn't stop laughing with this. i heard it so many times for so many mangas that it became to cliche to even bother. |
Monad said: "A simple manga with simple wish-fulfillment appeal that got monstrously over-rated" I couldn't stop laughing with this. i heard it so many times for so many mangas that it became to cliche to even bother. Well, that's because how shitty most manga are out there. |
Ugoki said: Monad said: "A simple manga with simple wish-fulfillment appeal that got monstrously over-rated" I couldn't stop laughing with this. i heard it so many times for so many mangas that it became to cliche to even bother. Well, that's because how shitty most manga are out there. When you have a harem manga of course it's gonna be wish fulfillment. Also this manga where the main gets into another world to become a hero etc and are RPG like they all pretty much became their own genre. All this are like this, hell this one is a little less as fulfilling the wishes of the main guy than other in it's gender. So i think you should know when you start this kind of manga. When you start such manga it will always fit the description of wish fulfillment. It is kind of redundant saying it really. |
| Yeah, I always wished for to be kidnapped, forced to fight for my kidnappers, getting accused of crimes that I didn't commit and being treated like shit in general. /sarcasm |
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