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Apr 19, 2020 8:55 AM

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It isnt hard when you adapt only one volumes(arcs) or maybe even two.

Index 3 tried to adapt 9 Volumes.

Even Index 1 and 2 tried to adapt 6 and 7 volumes respectively.

And lets not forget that 2 SS volumes were mostly cut.

3 episodes per arc just doesnt work. The manga vs Light novel argument doesnt work.

Fate/Zero had a good adaptation because it adapted 4 volumes into 25 episodes AND had a competent team behind it. Zero doesnt have arcs but if each volume was one then each arc had 6 episodes to itself.
AND they had enough time to expand 3 episodes with original scenes.

Railgun T is adapting so far the content of 3,25~ manga volumes.

So no, let me break that illusion of yours.


>Index 3 tried to adapt 9 Volumes.

Kadokawa is the one who made the director to do that even though he wanted more episodes but they only gave him 2 additional episodes (from 24 episodes to 26 episodes)


Not an excuse.

He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

Direction, script, animation and sound were all over the place.


As for Zero, take a look at Apocrypha which left out a ton because the team behind it wasnt that good either.

And it doesnt matter whose fault is, Kadokawa or JC Staff.

The point is that Index's adaptation are a rushed mess and at the end, Index 3doesnt even try at being decent.

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ssjokg said:
todd2580 said:


>Index 3 tried to adapt 9 Volumes.

Kadokawa is the one who made the director to do that even though he wanted more episodes but they only gave him 2 additional episodes (from 24 episodes to 26 episodes)


Not an excuse.

He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

Direction, script, animation and sound were all over the place.


As for Zero, take a look at Apocrypha which left out a ton because the team behind it wasnt that good either.

And it doesnt matter whose fault is, Kadokawa or JC Staff.

The point is that Index's adaptation are a rushed mess and at the end, Index 3doesnt even try at being decent.



>He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

he was having 2 movies during index iii's production too so don't act like it was an easy job to make things works somehow lol



in Apocrypha i think it's either the schedule wasn't good or the problem relies on the main writer perhaps.
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todd2580 said:
ssjokg said:


Not an excuse.

He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

Direction, script, animation and sound were all over the place.


As for Zero, take a look at Apocrypha which left out a ton because the team behind it wasnt that good either.

And it doesnt matter whose fault is, Kadokawa or JC Staff.

The point is that Index's adaptation are a rushed mess and at the end, Index 3doesnt even try at being decent.



>He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

he was having 2 movies during index iii's production too so don't act like it was an easy job to make things works somehow lol



in Apocrypha i think it's either the schedule wasn't good or the problem relies on the main writer perhaps.


Then they shouldnt give him the job. Or he should refuse it. It is called responsibility.If you cant do something then dont. Also the previous Index seasons were bad as well just not THAT bad. You can try to use any excuse you want but it just doesn't work when all his previous works were also not that good.

And if he has time to make Misaka have an original bath scene the he has enough time to do anything else to make this at least decent.

Oh don't get me wrong Apocrypha has a lot of bad writing. That doesn't mean that they should just give up and cut the good stuff.
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ssjokg said:
todd2580 said:


>He should be able to decide what needs to be removed or have less focus in order for the important scenes to be at least decent.

he was having 2 movies during index iii's production too so don't act like it was an easy job to make things works somehow lol



in Apocrypha i think it's either the schedule wasn't good or the problem relies on the main writer perhaps.


Then they shouldnt give him the job. Or he should refuse it. It is called responsibility.If you cant do something then dont. Also the previous Index seasons were bad as well just not THAT bad. You can try to use any excuse you want but it just doesn't work when all his previous works were also not that good.

And if he has time to make Misaka have an original bath scene the he has enough time to do anything else to make this at least decent.

Oh don't get me wrong Apocrypha has a lot of bad writing. That doesn't mean that they should just give up and cut the good stuff.


first i'm not excuse stuff i'm saying reasons
also you've to understand that index isn't that easy to adapted you talk like it's a game but it might be harder than you think it's not like i don't accept your opinion i think most of the fandom of index hating the director of it is just "unfair" since whatever he tired to save the third season it wasn't gonna happen because kadokawa is the one who didn't give him what is required to make it better they just wanted to make the awaiting sequel as a sort of an advertisement for the light novel series so japanese can read it so it's hard task for him to make it work anyways i agree that putting fanservice everywhere was bad idea but it could to lower the stress on the animators during the production.


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todd2580 said:
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Then they shouldnt give him the job. Or he should refuse it. It is called responsibility.If you cant do something then dont. Also the previous Index seasons were bad as well just not THAT bad. You can try to use any excuse you want but it just doesn't work when all his previous works were also not that good.

And if he has time to make Misaka have an original bath scene the he has enough time to do anything else to make this at least decent.

Oh don't get me wrong Apocrypha has a lot of bad writing. That doesn't mean that they should just give up and cut the good stuff.


first i'm not excuse stuff i'm saying reasons
also you've to understand that index isn't that easy to adapted you talk like it's a game but it might be harder than you think it's not like i don't accept your opinion i think most of the fandom of index hating the director of it is just "unfair" since whatever he tired to save the third season it wasn't gonna happen because kadokawa is the one who didn't give him what is required to make it better they just wanted to make the awaiting sequel as a sort of an advertisement for the light novel series so japanese can read it so it's hard task for him to make it work anyways i agree that putting fanservice everywhere was bad idea but it could to lower the stress on the animators or something like that.


todd2580 said:
ssjokg said:


Then they shouldnt give him the job. Or he should refuse it. It is called responsibility.If you cant do something then dont. Also the previous Index seasons were bad as well just not THAT bad. You can try to use any excuse you want but it just doesn't work when all his previous works were also not that good.

And if he has time to make Misaka have an original bath scene the he has enough time to do anything else to make this at least decent.

Oh don't get me wrong Apocrypha has a lot of bad writing. That doesn't mean that they should just give up and cut the good stuff.


first i'm not excuse stuff i'm saying reasons
also you've to understand that index isn't that easy to adapted you talk like it's a game but it might be harder than you think it's not like i don't accept your opinion i think most of the fandom of index hating the director of it is just "unfair" since whatever he tired to save the third season it wasn't gonna happen because kadokawa is the one who didn't give him what is required to make it better they just wanted to make the awaiting sequel as a sort of an advertisement for the light novel series so japanese can read it so it's hard task for him to make it work anyways i agree that putting fanservice everywhere was bad idea but it could to lower the stress on the animators or something like that.


Railgun has just as much science/magic bullshittery and it works fine, at least outside the fillers.

Oh they are both at fault dont get me wrong but he is the one that directly worked on it.

And no, adding fan service doesn't make it easier. How does that work? What is harder? A new bath scene or just a static frame of a cellphone screen with Misaka's voice over it? Or just her back while she is standing outside?

And again, the script and direction wasn't the only issue. Production problems dont excuse the end result.

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ssjokg said:
todd2580 said:


first i'm not excuse stuff i'm saying reasons
also you've to understand that index isn't that easy to adapted you talk like it's a game but it might be harder than you think it's not like i don't accept your opinion i think most of the fandom of index hating the director of it is just "unfair" since whatever he tired to save the third season it wasn't gonna happen because kadokawa is the one who didn't give him what is required to make it better they just wanted to make the awaiting sequel as a sort of an advertisement for the light novel series so japanese can read it so it's hard task for him to make it work anyways i agree that putting fanservice everywhere was bad idea but it could to lower the stress on the animators or something like that.


todd2580 said:


first i'm not excuse stuff i'm saying reasons
also you've to understand that index isn't that easy to adapted you talk like it's a game but it might be harder than you think it's not like i don't accept your opinion i think most of the fandom of index hating the director of it is just "unfair" since whatever he tired to save the third season it wasn't gonna happen because kadokawa is the one who didn't give him what is required to make it better they just wanted to make the awaiting sequel as a sort of an advertisement for the light novel series so japanese can read it so it's hard task for him to make it work anyways i agree that putting fanservice everywhere was bad idea but it could to lower the stress on the animators or something like that.


Railgun has just as much science/magic bullshittery and it works fine, at least outside the fillers.

Oh they are both at fault dont get me wrong but he is the one that directly worked on it.

And no, adding fan service doesn't make it easier. How does that work? What is harder? A new bath scene or just a static frame of a cellphone screen with Misaka's voice over it? Or just her back while she is standing outside?

And again, the script and direction wasn't the only issue. Production problems dont excuse the end result.





>adding fan service doesn't make it easier.

you can just ignore it unless it's hard for you

>Oh they are both at fault dont get me wrong but he is the one that directly worked on it.


oh you're just blaming kadokawa but blaming him too because you hates him i mean can't you just be kind at least that he tires since the schedule wasn't good and kadokawa made him struggle more with giving him enough episodes and J.C.Staff itself during the production was like fighting and the main writer might couldn't work on these circumstances so it couldn't be helped either way it's K A D O K A W A they're the one who funding the anime series and making decisions more than the director does and i can see there was some medding from them but blaming the director isn't right the anime industry isn't a fair place to work on too

anyways blame him as you want if it makes you a loyal index fan lol.


and if you think these chinese rumors that the fandom believed that the director thinks that the light novel series is just a bath joke it's just nitpicking and it's rumors.


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Well, those are pretty decisive poll results up there, haha. I really enjoyed this episode, too. Wouldn't mind to see more scenes of Tooma and Gunha working together after the mid-season finale.

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todd2580 said:

>adding fan service doesn't make it easier.

you can just ignore it unless it's hard for you

>Oh they are both at fault dont get me wrong but he is the one that directly worked on it.


oh you're just blaming kadokawa but blaming him too because you hates him i mean can't you just be kind at least that he tires since the schedule wasn't good and kadokawa made him struggle more with giving him enough episodes and J.C.Staff itself during the production was like fighting and the main writer might couldn't work on these circumstances so it couldn't be helped either way it's K A D O K A W A they're the one who funding the anime series and making decisions more than the director does and i can see there was some medding from them but blaming the director isn't right the anime industry isn't a fair place to work on too

anyways blame him as you want if it makes you a loyal index fan lol.


and if you think these chinese rumors that the fandom believed that the director thinks that the light novel series is just a bath joke it's just nitpicking and it's rumors.




Oh so I should just ignore time and effort wasted on bullshit. All right. Seems I am dealing with a very logical being.

Jfc.

The poor director who could do so much but the evil corporation didnt let him.

*Checks bio again*

Oh look his only work that is worth mentioning is Azumanga Daioh. Yea, makes sense that Index turned out to be so dull.


Listen buddy. I dont know I you have a job or not, I hope you do. If your boss or any other higher up asks you to do some task you arent qualified for you politely decline. You dont take on that job and hope for the best. If you cant do it then dont do it. Your best option is to recommend a colleague that can do it.At least better than you.

Kadokawa doesnt care if it turns out good or not as long as it sells or finishes OT. He had 26 eps to make a coherent story. In Index 1 he changed an entire arc to make it more simple.
Why didnt he do it in Index 3 as well?
If he couldnt make the story coherent then why didnt he focus on the fights?Everything is a mess.
What about animation quality?So many Berserk 2016 moments.

I dont know why you are trying to excuse incompetence when it is so blatant.


I dont care about rumours when I can clearly see that that he couldnt do any other shit for 26 episodes. Somehow Misaka taking a bath and Itsuwa's wet clothes look amazing compared to everything else.



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ssjokg said:
todd2580 said:

>adding fan service doesn't make it easier.

you can just ignore it unless it's hard for you

>Oh they are both at fault dont get me wrong but he is the one that directly worked on it.


oh you're just blaming kadokawa but blaming him too because you hates him i mean can't you just be kind at least that he tires since the schedule wasn't good and kadokawa made him struggle more with giving him enough episodes and J.C.Staff itself during the production was like fighting and the main writer might couldn't work on these circumstances so it couldn't be helped either way it's K A D O K A W A they're the one who funding the anime series and making decisions more than the director does and i can see there was some medding from them but blaming the director isn't right the anime industry isn't a fair place to work on too

anyways blame him as you want if it makes you a loyal index fan lol.


and if you think these chinese rumors that the fandom believed that the director thinks that the light novel series is just a bath joke it's just nitpicking and it's rumors.




Oh so I should just ignore time and effort wasted on bullshit. All right. Seems I am dealing with a very logical being.

Jfc.

The poor director who could do so much but the evil corporation didnt let him.

*Checks bio again*

Oh look his only work that is worth mentioning is Azumanga Daioh. Yea, makes sense that Index turned out to be so dull.


Listen buddy. I dont know I you have a job or not, I hope you do. If your boss or any other higher up asks you to do some task you arent qualified for you politely decline. You dont take on that job and hope for the best. If you cant do it then dont do it. Your best option is to recommend a colleague that can do it.At least better than you.

Kadokawa doesnt care if it turns out good or not as long as it sells or finishes OT. He had 26 eps to make a coherent story. In Index 1 he changed an entire arc to make it more simple.
Why didnt he do it in Index 3 as well?
If he couldnt make the story coherent then why didnt he focus on the fights?Everything is a mess.
What about animation quality?So many Berserk 2016 moments.

I dont know why you are trying to excuse incompetence when it is so blatant.


I dont care about rumours when I can clearly see that that he couldnt do any other shit for 26 episodes. Somehow Misaka taking a bath and Itsuwa's wet clothes look amazing compared to everything else.






>In Index 1 he changed an entire arc to make it more simple.
Why didnt he do it in Index 3 as well?


if you didn't even notice it could be the movie series writer's fault more than the director himself since we didn't have the main writer's first two season on it too but perhaps the schedule affected that i mean the scripts might been delivered in little time too in the end you have to understand no and no director can do his work great in a tight schedule even if he was a great director unless he planned at least what to do (like AOT for example which have also 2 directors) and while i agree that hiroshi isn't a great director but he can do cool stuff from time to time like Gad Guard for example and that's an original anime series
his worst is yeah working on fanservice shows like Trinity Seven.

you can't blame him in the animation side since the schedule was already tight and was getting worse and J.C.Staff was handling other shows Like OPM S2 and DAL III in the same time of Index III so to expect him to do something about it and he might be the kind of director that needs enough time not restricted time duh


>So many Berserk 2016 moments.

at least the BD Version fixed some of the errors with some of the CGI's errors but ofc they couldn't to fix all of it because of Kadokawa wanting to sell them While the season is still airing so in the middle of season you'll see some errors that couldn't fix it or didn't fix it properly.


so i don't why you think blaming him is right while he could be not the reason the season sucked and wasn't as you wanted it to be.






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Yeah lets not blame him and the rest of the staff because they may have faced problems during the production.

That's not how it works. Again, if you CANT work on something then dont. If the quality of the final product matters to you then pass the job to someone else.

JC, Kadokawa and him decided that it is ok to work with those conditions. You cant excuse any them. And I cant believe that you even trying so hard portray him as blameless. Index 1 and 2 were still shit adaptation with "enough episodes" compared to Index 3. They were ...fun but still shit adaptations.

The third season was just shit.

If you have nothing else other than "they may have faced some problems" then dont bother replying.

NO SHIT they had some problems.A look at all their shows at that time is enough to realize that. They dont care about quality.

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Finally the Touma Gunha team up. Good episode.

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Gunha catching Touma like he was a little damsel in distress was hilarious xD
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This episode got me hyped with all of the match ups being set up.

Touma and Gunha interactions were a lot fun. I like the princess carry at the end.
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I am still confused at to what Gunha's esper ability is exactly. Is it just super strength, but if that were the case how did he slap away the lightening. Anyway, whatever it is he is a total badass.

Loved the episode, this is starting to rival the sisters arc.
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This season is getting pretty freaking crazy. I can honestly say I didn't expect this out of S3 of Railgun - pretty intense stuff.

I am loving how some plots / characters of different series and seasons are converging here, and I'd love to see more of the same. This is getting interesting.

Touma and Gunha's team fight is pretty cool, actually. I was never a huge fan of Touma because he's kind of boring, but seeing him in these roles a little more may make me come around to him a little more. The interplay between different characters is pretty priceless.
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This was hella entertaining. Misaki is so cute hhhhngnngnng--
Also Touma x Gunha was really fun to watch.
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Don’t get me wrong it’s cool to see some spiky haired bois teaming up but is real best boy accelerator gonna get some screen time? In the index movie him helping out was totally random as really the stakes did not concern him. But this time it does, baby misaka last order got affected, I’m thinking he should join in the fight as well. Hopefully that’s not just wishful thinking lol


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Soooo good!
Just this one episode shows amazing the series can be.
It's a shame Index III couldn't get close to the same quality that this season has shown so far.
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Gunha catching Touma like he was a little damsel in distress was hilarious xD


it sure was lol

he went Gokuu mode just hair color didn't change lol
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Honestly, this is what could make Touma's battles more enjoyable.. I don't care too much about battles overall, as I'm not into battles in the first place in anime series.. But this - fighting with partner - could make Touma's battles have more variety.. Like team work, you know.. Just make Touma team pair with all kinds of different characters.. With different fighting styles they use, or skills, or weapons, or items they use.. And here - you have all kinds of variety in these battles..
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Surprisingly solid episode. I also changed my opinion of Shokuho. I still think what she did to the friends of Misaka was wrong, but I kinda understand her chain of thoughts now. Not a fan of Toma, so him pushing Misaka away as a protagonist in this episode annoyed me quite a bit. Sogiita is pretty dope character though, he and Shokuho might be the two reasons why I'll rate this season higher than all the others of the Toaru franchise.
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"add in another hyper" lmao this guy a real shonen protag.

I'm glad Touma stepping in. Accelerator probably showing up not too soon after this. Big threats should have all the protags showing up.
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brainwashed tsundere kuroko to the rescue. and touma working with esper #7 is surprisingly cool despite him being surprisingly even dumber than touma
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Can't believe it's the same JC Staff animating and adapting this who presented us with the abomination which was Index 3. But hey that's always been the case with Railgun anyways.

Coming to the episode, once again it was as good as it could've been, like the last one. Now that we know about Misaki and her motives, I'm already seeing her in a new light, different from how it was some episodes ago at the very least. I mean you see she's been used too, so there's that sympathy.

Touma may not be someone I really like, but his timings are something I do. He's always at the right place for some reason. Loved that tag team of his and Gunha.. I mean this other dude is plenty likeable anyways.

Kuroko doing what the best girl should.
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Aleister Crowley is way too powerful, based on what I've seen in Index. It's no wonder he didn't care about this. I think even if Misaka reached level six, she wouldn't be able to destroy that building.

It looks like Gensei & Mitori are still in cahoots. She only betrayed Baba & Xochitl to make use of them?

So glad to see JC Staff is still in their game regarding the action in this show. Those scenes with Touma, Gunha, and Misaka had good animation & looked so cool!

Even though he's supposed to be the lowest ranked of the level five, Gunha seems as powerful as a DBZ character.
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Damn, Misaki is so helpful.
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Touma’s here the sound effect of breaker is nostalgic
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