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It's not that I never visited those, but they never worked for me, also nothing game worthy there...and you are gaining negative points for TikTok (since its main point is to be biased toward your personal preferences).


So you admit bias for using echo cambers for retro fans :))).


Of course those are freaking everywhere...the real question (since the beginning of our argument months ago) is how dominant they are. I never questioned their existence, I personally know retro game and anime fans here in Bulgaria (and I am sure I mentioned that moths ago too).


I knew such subreddits exist, the question is how many young people are using those.


OK, but it's the most gaming versed social network of them all (despite having a lot of other stuff than game channels).


Actually some time ago I created an account in order to track my donghua and found that:
- I prefer MAL, maybe because I am used to it.
- Their donghua data catalogue is less consistent than the MAL one. Same thing with the AniDB donghua data catalogue too. Apparently MAL is the best place for chinese animation.
- There's no export option. Yes, there are third party tools for that (and are kind trashy?), but not having a native one is BS.


OK, having more options to make your anime preferences public is something important for you...still this doesn't disqualify MAL as a social network.


...and actually I do - https://anilist.co/user/VeDonghuaList/ but I don't use it. Also I don't find the options you listed being useful for me.


I have personal experience an opinions, you are free to ignore those.


Than ignore me. Just assume my whole thing was trolling from a teen who never played retro games or never watched shows like Takarajima.


We are kind of a small country, even a partial leak of personal information can get me some bad loans I never took.
Your mistrust is a small price to pay.


I did, but I edited it out since it was repeating the same information. Anyways you knew my answer since we are already talking for so long...


Those are remasters for a different systems. Also there are ports of the same game for different consoles, which also can be very different experience. There are layers and layers or different versions.


All those count as retro games, but they aren't the genuine experiences...and here's where you are missing my main point: why young people are play those. They aren't interested in said genuine thing, they are only interested in the superficial resemblance. Some old games would be unplayable for them if certain changes aren't introduced. It's a temporary fad for them, it's a gimmick.


Oh no! I am so sad now... I failed to impress someone! That never happened before!
I mean, what's with the dramatic use of "not quite impressive"? Just agree or disagree.


Making distinction between those and the others doesn't matter, they are apparently not the same thing as the original.


You guys, from North America waste a lot of energy suspecting your interlocutors and even coming out with wild conspiracy theories. Can you simply take my words at face value and work from there - agree or disagree. Also I am really bad (and really slow) at expressing myself in english, so some nonsense is guarantied.


Depends on which generation (this is why distinguishing between generations is important) we are talking about.
Even the original is kind of a modern for Gen-X-er like me, so if I play it I wouldn't consider it retro. On the other hand its remasters a bit different experience and a millennial playing those is not retro in my book. On the other hand any zoomer playing any RE4 version aside of the remake is retro...
But pay attention for the key part here - if they deliberately choose not to play the original on GameCube they don't have the retro gamer mindset and they aren't genuinely interested in old games, just superficially.


I am not familiar with this one.


Based on australians complaining about their shitty internet.


And you went there recently and rented a DVD in a urban area with great internet? (Which is quite plausible, but you didn't do that.)
I just had an idea, a hypotheses, a speculation, tho no way for you to disprove it.


Yes, it's possible, but since they are already used to a more convenient ways I can't see it becoming the dominant model.


This is already happening for a quite long time, even with traditional media where for example music is being replaced in classic movies and TV shows.
Sadly the big corporations mainly care about new products and new users - and as mentioned many times here, those aren't that interested in the cultural legacy.


Because even the zoomers who are interested in retro stuff wouldn't post such topics. It's not their way of commination, they will write only about topical things.


Yey, for immature (or scared of becoming old) mellanials who like to mingle with zoomers.
But as I mentioned above, the existence of multiple versions, ports, remasters and remakes makes it vital to distinguish between different generations of gamers.

As mentioned before in my book those are inadequate networks for the goal - Instagram is focused on pretty pictures, not what people actually think and TikTok is "confirmation bias the social network".
On the other hand if you don't follow Twitch I think you don't have as an accurate idea what are people playing as I do.


Muhahaha...


Do you even know want social network (that's was we were talking about) means? How those two are different?



That's playing with semantics...yes, those PS2 versions are already retro from 2024 point the view, but also aren't the original games...it would be retro gaming, but also not the genuine experience with said games, kind of a hybrid thing. On the other hand the PS4 versions arguably aren't old enough.


Since we are talking about a mixed list with older and newer remasters, I will focus on the latest - not quite the same thing as the original As I mentioned the Chrono Trigger remaster has some fixes in the gameplay with wouldn't fly today and another example would be FF 8 having the fast forward option. Fresh non-nostalgic players would eventually drop those games without said changes.
I guess there are a bunch of young people who are interested in said non-acurate remasters and that shows some sort of interest, but not as massively as you present it.
The "going strong" part comes from older nostalgia driven players.


Why you are even talking with me, since trust is an issue?


Self doxing? Not my idea of fun.


For many years I was tracking my anime in a text file. In 2011 I decided that MAL had some advantages and I created this account - https://myanimelist.net/profile/megaload?q=megaload&cat=user
Than in 2018 MAL had some technical issues + reboots and my older account got locked with no ways of recovery. Luckily I was periodically exporting my anime and manga lists just in case and I created my current account from those exports. I even created a backup account on AniDB.


Till 2011 I spent more time on bulgarian anime forums.


Some parts of Australia have trashy internet (because of vast inhabited regions which makes fast internet unsustainable and Starlink being quite expensive) maybe that's part of the reason?


I have little interest in Hollywood and Hollywood gossip.


I don't think the technology of steaming will be replaced back, more like the business model behind it will change.


Just look at the bigger most popular retro styled titles - Limbo (2010). The Binding of Isaac (2011), Inside (2016), Stardew Valley (2016), Cuphead (2017)...the last big name I can think of is Ultrakill (which is styled a bit like Doom 1993) from 2020.

What is popular nowadays are cheaply made meme "social experiment" games like Lethal Company which are more of a gimmick than actual gameplay and "pay to win" made by big chinese corporation like the Hoyoverse ones. That's quite obvious on Twitch and YouTube.


Living in TikTok bubble and not actually paying attention to the bigger picture?


Wow, a random video from a dude with your mind.


All of those are written by non-zoomers who wish younger people will have a crush on the same things as them.


So mostly millennials not zoomers?


Your "evidences" are a mix of bias and exaggerations which to a degree contradict with my own experience with the gamming society.


Yes, but please don't use it as solid argument and keep your local political stuff on your own continent.


Yes there are, that's a fact. But they are smaller and they are liking retro for different reasons than you think.


Also rises the possibility of those being as insignificant as the retro game ones.

Various (I guess mostly Reddit and YouTube) and I think Twitch gives a good idea what it trading in the gaming brotherhood.


Now this is funny...even if didn't share what I follow, MAL is at least one such social media.


As a matter of fact I think I am pretty good at seeing what's real and filtering the noise, the hype and other BS.


It's an old game which is running on the actual old hardware. Any remaster for newer hardware is just replicating - that's a retro styled game. Also newer games which copy aesthetics and/or gameplay elements aren't actual retro games too.


I am born in the 70s, I have (sadly somehow limited, yet genuine) experience with said old games.


Yeah, it's a soap bubble which will popup sooner or later...that was clear even as early as Netflix switched from renting DVDs to streaming.
Tho:
1. Physical media is not coming back...not as big as it was.
2. Nothing to do with our argument, I just use the anime streaming catalogues as evidence of what's popular.


From my perspective you are kind of late to the party :))).


Retro styled games aren't that popular in comparison to the other stuff. I even see some decline from the golden age of 2016 (or somehow around 2011-2019).
The article you fund is more about some pseudo retro arcades popping out here an there (even one appeared 2 weeks ago here in Sofia...but it's a bar, thus no teens). Those are usually a very temporary affair.


You didn't have hard evidences to begin with - just some temporary spikes in interest and wishful thinking that the "good old times" will return.
For me you are failing to grasp why and when young people go for older stuff. It's not out of respect or out of curiosity about the legacy of certain media. They will do it only if it's trendy...and trends come and go so easily. (By the way this is the exact same point I used the first time our argument started.)

And those facts are right before your eyes in reactions and comments of younger game/anime fans even for modern products which they can't properly explain why they like. You just fail to interpret those.


Oh, so you were projecting those on me and not actually trying to get (not necessary agree) what I am saying?
This is the funniest part when I talk with north americans (I mean happened with canadians too) - I have the feeling that they are arguing with some else, not me.

Which you don't have...

I am doing something else right now, so I will respond to you some other time maybe tomorrow, I am just passing by MAL.

O RLY


Isn't that for people who want to scream at the world "Look at me, I am such a unique snowflake!". Of course some people will want to stand out as game history savvy.


Isn't its algorithm searching with personally tailored bias in order to make you like more videos it suggests? Sounds like a horrible research tool.


No, this is what happens when you are suspicious.


Whatever, dude. Don't believe if you will and stop trying to convince me that your biases are the ultimate truth or whatever.


O RLY
How many genuine retro games, not replicas and remasters are available around you?


Since you didn't do the same thing, how is that a valid argument?
Said streaming services are cheapest and popular [legal] way to watch anime. Buying BDs is for the rich or the insanely dedicated (who will ignore more important things like healthcare in order sustain their hobby). The less old remastered shows you see on popular streaming services, the less those titles are actually popular.


I guess you can find more rich or addicted to physical copies people in The States.

Not in depth, but I got the idea.


It doesn't prove your point, that's for sure.


No, but that's what they use anyway, because that's the most available way, like the remastered version of Chrono Trigger on Steam (which has the option to be played with the retro graphics and looks quite nice on modern systems...but I guess they changed some small elements in the gameplay to make it more approachable to contemporain gamers) and whatnot.


A classic case of wishful thinking.


On what's available on CR, HiDive, Netflix, Disney+ and Amazon Prime - only few old show there are with their best remaster (CR being the biggest culprit for trashy quality).

Nah I don't. I have much more important things to buy like Nesos, CD albums of my oshi, and more merchandise of my oshi.

It's because it's not really important...? I don't dedicate my time looking for stuff that I particularly Don't have interests for. Gaming, it's a popular hobby but at the end of the day, it's just a hobby that I don't have the time to commit.
I don't actively seek out Gaming topics. But when it's in my face like the time where all media outlets including my TV news channel reported about a guy who beat Tetris. That's a hype topic, but that's it, I don't look anything too much from it. It's like " yeh that's cool. Oh a submarine with rich people inside didn't make it out alive? Well that's rough".
And with a wild news like that (the tetris one, not the submarine) it's easy to know that there will be people also trying out to also beat Tetris, making it make more buzz and hype, more to talk about.
But for Sailor Moon? There's really nothing of interest that made me think "oh yeh Sailor Moon is making a comeback, we are so back let's f*cking gooooo". I didn't even see a JJK brainrot memes like Nah I'd Win for Usagi or something like that.

Even looking on the actual Sailor Moon Reddit, there's barely anything going on. No interaction, comments on each posts average around 4-10 comments, etch. It just proves my point even more because after a quick search, I see what they are cooking up, the actual fans are cooking up. The most popular topic of the month is talking about which they prefer the anime or manga Rei, which had around 136 upvotes and 69 (nice) comments.
There's no talk about what you're talking about. Just fan arts and people asking about figurines and sh*t. And sometimes a person picture of their Usagi tattoo.
These came directly from the biggest sub reddit of sailor moon I could found.

I won't say I'm a gamer, I haven't even played Dark Souls cause my laptop couldn't handle it. But I did played some retro games.
Like FF, Legend of Zelda, Mario, GTA SA, SF, Summon Night, and many more.

Nice, it's nice to see retro games getting much love. They're definitely some of the classic games that every gamer needs to play at least once.
Though I'm not really gung-ho about retro games as much anymore. That's why I don't follow any medias or creators that mainly focuses on those kind of stuff.
Maybe like a speedrun documentary video of a really old retro game, I'll watch those from time to time. Even though I know nothing about the game being covered most of the time lol

I don't also looking for every nook and cranny for any hot news for Sailor Moon, like I said, the most popular topic that I heard about Sailor Moon on the past few months on social media is about westerners being triggered about artists drawing Usagi just a tiny bit s*xual, even though they are misinformed and driven by nostalgia and live on their own bubble, thinking that Usagi is forever 14 years old 💀
After that, there's really nothing. And it's not like I'm not looking at anything. I've wasted more time scrolling through numb minding stuff on twitter and fb (where most news gets reposted from other social medias anyways) than actually do something meaningful like idk studying and stuff kekw. Like, I'm playing like 30+ games on my phone, and all those time combined of me playing them is not even half of the time I spent on fb and twitter.
And like I said, not denying anything you said, it's just that me personally I haven't seen any conversation about Sailor Moon as much as I realistically can without breaking my usual 12 hours of scrolling through social media everyday.

Still not as massive as you made it sound back than, it's more of a curiously, not a full blown mania. Also those guys are using replicas and remastered versions. You and the author of this article like to exaggerate.


Naaah. Those guys are too superficial to go out of their comfort zone. No to mention the access of good quality retro anime is locked behind the BD remasters paywall. Very few remastered anime on the official streaming services.

>uh yeah
Uh no. It was obviously a rhetorical question.

Just try to imagine it... a long time anime fan existing, AND KNOWING about this stupid site for years and years before making an account on it. Who would have thought? Yeah no. I must have only discovered anime a year ago, because there's some rule out there dictating that No Long Time Anime Fan Can Exist Without Also Having An Old Account On Myanimelist.com.

What you said to me was so staggeringly dumb it beggars belief. Back in that thread I made where I said I may as well be dealing with chimpanzees, this is the sort of shit I was talking about.


I can handle anything you chimps throw at me, but just cuz I can doesn't mean I want to. Thanks for the tip about disabling profile comments, we're gonna need to check that out...

>not making a profile yet means you didn't know the site existed


Is this dumb shit supposed to be logical? Stay off my userpage.

On rare occasions earlier, but it's not always easy to get an answer

Well I don't use anilist (though they have a better DB when it comes to manga) but did you try talking to MAL mods about it? Because I'm not one :)

Since DB relies on human input it might be an error in judgement, a change of rules that were less strict earlier and more strict now, an overlook, etc. Needless to say, I think all of those should be included.