Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 90 Discussion

lightline said:
boring episode

explaining the new ability 50%
internal monologues 40%
actions10%

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lightline said:

explaining the new ability 50%
internal monologues 40%
actions10%

confused_Imakuni said:
The problem about the fights isn´t the strategy in it.
hxh is top notch when it comes to strategic battles.
The problem ist just that everything that happened in the last 5?? episodes was totally predictable. And in the end shoot and knuckle are just fodder.
Having said that this episode was still ok. Atleast we get some nice fights.

EVERY_SINGLE_DAY said:
The preview spoiled the results of the fights. I mean what the hell.

lightline said:
boring episode

explaining the new ability 50%
internal monologues 40%
actions10%

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Nidhoeggr said:


Welcome to the CA arc, enjoy your stay!
This is one of the few things that is so outstanding in my point of view. Unlike most other action/adventure focused Shounen Togashi didn't shy away from dialogue heavier parts, afraid of disappointing the ever-so-simple action fans who just want cool attacks and beamspam. Of course this doesn't subtract from the merits of well-done action and the fact that overexposure and a too strong focus on these parts can greatly hurt the pacing, but HxH is one of the few series that manages a good balance.
Just a warning: You'll get A LOT more of this in other parts of this arc.

AnimaRO64 said:
Actually Dragonball is worse! some fighting scenes are like, they throw a few punches than they talk about their life story. Then they end up throwing a few punches then they back to talking again, and im just like kill each other already

Django_Freeman said:
As I said about the previous episode, those who found this "boring" will have a hard time with the rest of the arc. Too bad for them though, they miss what makes this arc (and the entire manga acually) really great. And I can't even imagine what will be the reactions to the next arc : mostly talking, internal monologues, and explaining what's going on.

Candor said:
And as I said, I didn't like the first half in the manga but didn't have problems with the 2nd half. I actually really enjoyed it.

Candor said:
Stop comparing those so-called strategies to the ones later. In the last 2 episodes all what we saw was Knuckle pointing out things we've known since Greed Island and Gon overcoming them, and Knuckle explaining his abilities, while Killua is trying to get over his habit of running away. That's it. Where do you see strategies?

Gon is becoming totally uninteresting with his childish Janken (that's actually since Greed Island, the technique is nothing original, and not even interesting), and he only gets more interesting as a character in the last part of the arc. The 2nd half focused on the group as a whole and them finding out strategies to defeat the ants. Gon and his Janken play no role anymore for most of the arc, the arc focused more on the other more interesting characters (ALL of them are more interesting than Gon), and that's why the arc got much better.

Basically the reason why the 2nd half is much better is that Togashi stopped focusing on Gon's uninteresting Janken and focused more on the other characters and the strategies, in addition to Gon getting much more interesting after

gedata said:
We finally get to see Knuckle's stand (lol Jojo reference)

nanny96 said:
Well,the difference is that in HxH they talk to say interesting thing,in Db they say "I'm stronger than you!" "No,I'M stronger than you!" "No! I can destroy the universe with a fart!" "Me too!" ecc. ecc.

fearthebeard85 said:
Can I go in one Hunter x Hunter episode discussion these days without seeing just about every other shounen series being thrown under the bus? I understand in most part it's in defense of HxH, but damn its becoming a weekly thing these days lol.

Akanezora said:


I thought the same. Damn, that stand is fucking cute.

Anyway, pretty good episode, I liked Killua's fight over Gon's fight, it was a lot more interesting imho. Also, can't wait to see that majestic King.

Kvshi said:


The reason most people are more "interesting" then Gon is because of how much experience they had with fighting enemies and using nen compared to Gon so of course people enjoyed the other characters rather then Gon's fights. Gon is a bit uninteresting at this point, but remember he only learned nen a while ago and learning advance forms of nen is impressive considering how long it normally takes.

So comparing Gon to those nen users later on is like comparing a small animal to a lion.

I guarantee most people would rather see Phantom Troupe in a battle rather then Gon and Killua because of thre destructive forms of nen and there violent forms of fighting opponents.

Django_Freeman said:
You can't argue about the fact that last episode's fight had strategy. You know, all the stuff about Gon provoking Knuckle and using fake Jajanken to disturb the flow of his aura, with Killua's long explanation and the baseball analogy. You may not like it, but it's still strategy. And it's not only about strategy, but also about character development. Killua trying to overcome his habit of running away is major character development, and that's something we knew of since the beginning of the manga (when he gave up against Illumi even though he knew Gon's life was at stake). Knuckle explaining his ability was absolutely necessary because otherwise, none of the strategies in the second part of the arc would make sense, therefore all the explaining was setting up the future strategies.

HurricaneSweet said:
@candor nothing original? That's rock paper scissor unlike gomu gomu or kameha focuses on psychological tricks, you don't know which ones he'll actually use. At least that's the case twice, not to mention the fakes, to me, clever tricks like these are far more interesting than just spamming attacks or planet busters...

As for the rest it's development of strength for gon and character for killua.

Gon just gets more and more interesting as the non cliche character

I mean damn spoiler preview but they actually LOSE to knuckle and shoot? That's impressive.

Salce said:

What really was kind of complicated was the estimation about Gon's total aura.

SetsukoHara said:

even though it is hard to digest for the viewer/reader most of the time.

wakka9ca said:
I don't understand what is so complicated about basic arithmetic. Are you serious saying the estimation was that complicated? Oh man...

Xvenger said:
Well the way i see it, if people were expecting an actual physical badass confrontation between Gon vs. Knuckle then they're going to be let down. There's more than one way of winning a fight and that ability is absolutely perfect for him. I don't think many people here realize that the long ass explanation from Knuckle wasn't just purely an info dump from Togashi, it was part of Knuckle's strategy in terms of winning to stall out Gon from repaying the debt and let the outrageously high interest rate stack up until to the point where it's game over for Gon.
It's a time bomb and Madhouse went with the route of not shortening the explanation to make the viewer really feel the amount of time that Gon wasted by not doing anything.

It's also funny and interesting that Knuckle found the perfect balance between his love for his pacifistic nature and duking it out in a manly brawl by forcing the opponent to neutralize the debt through this while not inflicting any severe damage to either fighters at the same time.

These are the reasons as to why i liked the Gon vs Knuckle segment because it is once again something that I completely didn't see happening...IN ANY SHOW lol. But I will say that Killua's moments in this were much more "precious" and also much more important development for him which is why it easily trumps Gon's scene for many viewers. It's just sad that some people see things in a very clear cut manner where when there's too much talking in an awaited fight scene, it is automatically deemed as "uneventful and boring" whereas there could be so much more meaning to the scene if they take the time to creatively think outside the box and formulate their own interpretations to it.

In terms of comprehending the ability itself I also didn't catch on to everything at first but then I realized, you don't even have to pay attention to the calculations at all. Just remember one number which is Gon's max limit (21000 something) and know that if the mascot goes past that number, it will declare bankruptcy and won't let him use nen for a while.

Salce said:

It wasn't mathematically complicated.
It just was hard to follow Knuckle reasoning. For example, he says that Gon AOP is some number, but when he uses jajanken, due to the restrictions in his ability, he is able to reach a higher number. I don't think that was clear in Crunchyroll translation, I'm sure many viewers didn't catch it, I knew it because of the manga.