Suisei no Gargantia Episode 5 Discussion

Utagaii said:
Well, it is a lot of fanservice, and a good anime wouldn't do much of that,

bastek66 said:

How many times I repeated. IT'S NOT HIS ANIME. It's Murata's and Uro helps with script.
DON'T EXPECT TYPICAL UROBUTCHERING.

singleturbo said:
Lets say later on there is a threat to Gargantia that needs to be overcome/fought. Don't you first need to show how nice it is there so viewers have an idea just what everyone is fighting for and to actually be invested in the outcome?

Darklight0303 said:
The thing is they could have made a show on that topic by just instantly making Ledo appear in the depths of Earth's sea. He could still explain about the Alliance and Hideaz sure but they would only be his account without us having seen those two factions going at it in a fierce war for domination and survival. Instead they went through the pains of introducing the Hideaz and the Alliance only to completely and utterly ignore their presence in the rest of the short show. That's not good writing no matter what people say.

Kitchiri said:
That's just your preference, not the standard of good writing.

Darklight0303 said:
Oh yes I am sure everyone would have loved Starwars anyway if Luke never left Dagobah and the empire just fizzled out on its own.

Kitchiri said:
That's a bad comparison. You know that yourself.

Darklight0303 said:
No not really. In both instances the core of the plot and the universe is forgotten and reduced to a nice safe little pocket for the MC and whoever he meets.

Kitchiri said:
Because core of the plot never was the universe, but Gargantia. Read the title. This is Votoms + Water world type sci-fi, not Star wars.

Darklight0303 said:
Then they should have skipped the first part of the episode showing the colony and the Hideaz. Just dropped Ledo in the ocean and have him found. Simple. But no they went through the effort of animating that epic space battle, establishing the power of the Hideaz and the ruthlessness and powerlessness of the Alliance. Only to then completely ignore it?

You don't have to be a literary expert to know that's bad writing. You can still like something without it being good writing. Nothing wrong with that.

But don't tell me you honestly believe this show is well written when it completely discards major elements like this.

Also what happened to the Hideaz slug like creature that was attached to Chamber? It just poofed huh.

Darklight0303 said:


Then they should have skipped the first part of the episode showing the colony and the Hideaz. Just dropped Ledo in the ocean and have him found. Simple. But no they went through the effort of animating that epic space battle, establishing the power of the Hideaz and the ruthlessness and powerlessness of the Alliance. Only to then completely ignore it? You don't have to be a literary expert to know that's bad writing. You can still like something without it being good writing. Nothing wrong with that. But don't tell me you honestly believe this show is well written when it completely discards major elements like this.

BlackShock_ said:



For me, showing the epic battle scene, along with the information such as "You will be granted freedom of sleep,food and reproduction" and etc, is a great way to explain about the state of the Alliance and the Hideauz.

I'd say its well done, plus the first 10 minutes of episode one also drew in many viewers. I just don't see how Ledo can explain these 10 minutes of action and speech in words, if he were to be dropped in the ocean and found as you said.

If 10 minutes is all we have for intros, I would take the battle scene. The downside is, I initially thought that this was a mainly a mecha anime. The mecha element has died down every episode, reduced to a barbecue pit, from a container mover and pirate ship defender.

Overall still good, if I look at this anime with a slice of life view.

BlackShock_ said:
If 10 minutes is all we have for intros, I would take the battle scene. The downside is, I initially thought that this was a mainly a mecha anime. The mecha element has died down every episode, reduced to a barbecue pit, from a container mover and pirate ship defender.

Overall still good, if I look at this anime with a slice of life view.

Darklight0303 said:
Those 10 minutes drew in viewers with false advertising. That shit wouldn't float with other media.

Num1dad_Asura said:
After episode 1 everything started to go downhill for me and this was the worst, I just hope something interesting happens soon......

Fallenkingzero said:
I see some people are complaining, I'm not sure what you were expecting this is not supposed to be all action.

Kitchiri said:
They didn't ignore. Watch the last part of episode 4. Alliance is still major aspect of the series, revealing Ledo's past and how their desperate situation affected Ledo as an individual.

Even if you think that part of story is 'ignored', there is a word called 'MacGuffin' which is totally acceptable plot device in any media.

Also what happened to the Hideaz slug like creature that was attached to Chamber? It just poofed huh.

morrownight said:
I'm not sure what you and others were expecting, but I was expecting some action from an anime that is labeled as such. And here we have a beach episode which somewhat expands on the setting but does nothing to advance the plot, on a 13-episode budget. It's like sprinkling jimmies on a half-baked cake.

Kitchiri said:
You say you 'expected' some action - as if Urobuchi did some troll again just like Madoka Magica. Urobuchi clearly said it will be for the inexperienced people in 10~20 who are just facing to mix with society, giving them message and cheering.

This series is about Gargantia, never was action, fighting or mecha from the start.

Darklight0303 said:
Comes from being a reader of Umineko No Naku Koro ni. You take in every detail so you can figure out what the hell is going on. No matter how small.

Darklight0303 said:
I so pray that 4chan spoiler is true and that you eat your words. That's my only hope for this series.

Kitchiri said:
This is not Umineko - which is whodunit genre anime. This is Suisei no Gargantia. It doesn't matter whether Urobuchi will use that tiny Hideazu for the future plot development or not. Because major plot is about interaction of Gargantia and Ledo, not Hideazu and Alliance.

Urobuchi said "Ending of Suisei no Gargantia will be whitish grey."

I already have all information on my hand, so no worries.

Kitchiri said:
This gives me laugh, because no-one cared about it except you.

Darklight0303 said:
Urobuchi is also known to be a pathological LIAR.

What I don't get is why he was trying to escape from the wormhole. Was it because the timing was wrong and he knew it would take him somewhere else?

Kitchiri said:
Which means you don't have any accurate information on you hand. Hurr durr. Read all his interview about Suisei no Gargantia then you know he never lied about this series.

Accurate Information:
Scenario of Gargantia was finished 1 year ago;
Urobuchi: "This time, it will be white Urobuchi - but I can say ending will be sort of 'purely white' grey"
Marketing staff: "You guys think it's Urobuchi so everyone will die. Unfortunately, your expectation will be betrayed"
--> My interpretation = Ending will still be Urobuchi style.

morrownight said:


It doesn't matter what he said, not every viewer of Suisei has read or will read Urobuchi's interview. The false advertising comes from the genre labeling which was established after the first episode. If you take a look at MAL's Suisei page, under Genre you will see "Action, Mecha, Sci-fi". If this series continues the way it is going, I don't see how it would still live up to those labels.

morrownight said:
It doesn't matter what he said, not every viewer of Suisei has read or will read Urobuchi's interview. The false advertising comes from the genre labeling which was established after the first episode. If you take a look at MAL's Suisei page, under Genre you will see "Action, Mecha, Sci-fi". If this series continues the way it is going, I don't see how it would still live up to those labels.

Darklight0303 said:
It won't. But no matter. The show has tits and ass so it will do well anyway.

morrownight said:


It doesn't matter what he said, not every viewer of Suisei has read or will read Urobuchi's interview. The false advertising comes from the genre labeling which was established after the first episode. If you take a look at MAL's Suisei page, under Genre you will see "Action, Mecha, Sci-fi". If this series continues the way it is going, I don't see how it would still live up to those labels.

Kitchiri said:
MAL staff judged the series to be action, not the marketing staff of Gargantia. It's your fault not getting accurate information - don't blame it on anime.

??? show has tits and ass so it will do well anyway. Generalisation makes the world.

Darklight0303 said:
Well there's certainly no solid plot so far. Maybe that will change next episode. maybe it won't.

Kitchiri said:
MAL staff judged the series to be action, not the marketing staff of Gargantia. It's your fault not getting accurate information - don't blame it on anime.

??? show has tits and ass so it will do well anyway. Generalisation makes the world.

morrownight said:
I don't see much point in arguing this any further, what I see is that you're content with the way they're handling the series, or rather, throwing away the series's potential (and I say potential because, if you're going to create a setting like that, you better take responsibility for it), and others like me aren't thrilled because, well, this could have been so much more.

I think Urobuchi, or whoever is piloting Suisei's production, had this great idea, then suddenly had to switch lanes to conform to his newly proclaimed change of themes. Or maybe someone made him do it. Either way, it seems forced. If not, it's just plain bad writing.

morrownight said:


I don't see much point in arguing this any further, what I see is that you're content with the way they're handling the series, or rather, throwing away the series's potential (and I say potential because, if you're going to create a setting like that, you better take responsibility for it), and others like me aren't thrilled because, well, this could have been so much more.

I think Urobuchi, or whoever is piloting Suisei's production, had this great idea, then suddenly had to switch lanes to conform to his newly proclaimed change of themes. Or maybe someone made him do it. Either way, it seems forced. If not, it's just plain bad writing.

Dashiawia said:
I'm disappointed with this episode. I don't like fanservice when it's presented in a blatant, gratuitous manner, and this episode did just that. Not really sure where this show's heading. Hopefully, it won't continue to be a senseless slice of life [I normally like SoL, but this series really can do much better than this].